Gunsmithing Krieger 5R barrels

[Bob L Swagger]

I just purchased a Krieger 1:10 MTU 5R to use for my .300 win mag build. If you are using one of these or have used one of these, let me know how it worked out.

 

[buckey]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

I have a couple of them & they shoot great. Krieger is top-notch stuff!!

 

[19Scout77]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

You have purchased a barrel made by, inarguably, one of if not the best barrel maker in the business. What exactly are you looking to hear?

 

[eracer]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

In!

I just purchased (literally 20 minutes ago) a 30" Bartlein SS 7mm #9 Heavy Varmint 1:8.5 w/5R rifling for my F-class Open build.

It's going to take me > 6 months to find out how it shoots.

 

[Bob L Swagger]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have purchased a barrel made by, inarguably, one of if not the best barrel maker in the business. What exactly are you looking to hear? </div></div>

I think my post is pretty straight forward.. Just looking to see what people thought of these Krieger 5R's. I haven't seen many of these barrels in members build specs. Not to mention, I found it odd that it was so easy to come by. TGSS has (11) .308 barrels sitting on the shelf ready to ship. Do you have any info worth mentioning?


http://store.thirdgenerationshootingsupply.com/browse.cfm/2,5974.html

 

[Ratbert]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

I can't comment on the barrel, but I did just purchase not one but two soft tacos fresco style for my lunch build. If anyone is eating, or has eaten, one of these let me know how it worked out.

 

[19Scout77]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

You have now switched barrels 3 times and have yet to build a rifle. Rock...Bartlein...Krieger...what are you trying to accomplish? Any of the three make fantastic rifles when chambered properly...and my opinion is NOT based upon something I read on the internet.

Instead of this incessant gun-build cyber-masturbation---step away from the keyboard and go do a little shooting.

You will never know the difference between a rock or a kreiger or a bartlein or a brux or a schneider or an obermeyer or a hart or a benchmark or a lothar walther or a border or a shilen or a lilja or a broughton. Especially if you never even build one, let alone shoot it.

 

[takeaim1st]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

Wow, I thought Dicks was a chain of sporting goods retailers.

 

[Bob L Swagger]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have now switched barrels 3 times and have yet to build a rifle. Rock...Bartlein...Krieger...what are you trying to accomplish? Any of the three make fantastic rifles when chambered properly...and my opinion is NOT based upon something I read on the internet.

Instead of this incessant gun-build cyber-masturbation---step away from the keyboard and go do a little shooting.

You will never know the difference between a rock or a kreiger or a bartlein or a brux or a schneider or an obermeyer or a hart or a benchmark or a lothar walther or a border or a shilen or a lilja or a broughton. Especially if you never even build one, let alone shoot it. </div></div>

I'm rather impressed that you took the time to read my posts and investigate me. You are right, I did switch barrels a few times. Ya know why... cause I can... I sold the Rock M24 and decided to use the Bartlein MTU on the win mag. I just recently decided to build a .308 win also. I figured the Bartlein .299 / .308 would be the better choice to use on the 20" .308 win than on the 26" .300 win mag. So, with all my parts currently at my builder, I was in a pickle for an MTU 1:10 for the win mag. Bartlein currently has a 6 month lead, not sure of Rock's lead and couldn't find an Obermeyer 1:10. I came across this Krieger 5R and jumped on it without reading much about them. Did it really bother you that much that I asked about these? If it does, then don't read my posts. We all cant be as experienced as you, ya know.

As far as your asinine comment "Instead of this incessant gun-build cyber-masturbation---step away from the keyboard and go do a little shooting." I will shoot, in about 4 to 6 months when I get my builds back from Georgia.

 

[Bob L Swagger]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: takeaim1st</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, I thought Dicks was a chain of sporting goods retailers. </div></div>

Yeah that is exactly what I was thinking.

 

[Ratbert]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

This was fun, we should do it again sometime:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob L. Swagger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why would you post that on this thread?</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seemed a very silly thread, so I figured I'd make it a little sillier. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob L. Swagger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why is that silly? I had a question so I asked it.. As you can see so far, not many people are using the krieger 5R's.. From what I hear they are a fairly new product to Krieger.

http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/5_R_Rifling-c1246-wp6676.htm </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have now switched barrels 3 times and have yet to build a rifle. Rock...Bartlein...Krieger...what are you trying to accomplish? Any of the three make fantastic rifles when chambered properly...and my opinion is NOT based upon something I read on the internet.

Instead of this incessant gun-build cyber-masturbation---step away from the keyboard and go do a little shooting.

You will never know the difference between a rock or a kreiger or a bartlein or a brux or a schneider or an obermeyer or a hart or a benchmark or a lothar walther or a border or a shilen or a lilja or a broughton. Especially if you never even build one, let alone shoot it.</div></div>

This.

Well, that and the fact you chose "Bob L Swagger" as your forum handle just made it impossible to resist. I hadn't really intended to make an extended bitch slap out of it, but you asked. I hope something else is able to make you laugh today, maybe I'll have better luck next time.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob L. Swagger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">your'e gay</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, but I'm not currently looking to start anything new. I've got all the cock I can handle at the moment.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob L. Swagger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bob L. Swagger has removed themself from this topic.</div></div>

 

[Rob01]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

Steer the thread back on topic or stop posting in it.

 

[pistolpacknpete]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

thank you Rob01

 

[19Scout77]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

A little something for your spank-bank.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frank Green</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If we didn't exist what would I put on my guns?

Krieger, Obermeyer (if I could get my hands on one). If I couldn't get one of those I would have to sit down and think about it before I pick another.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
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[Bob L Swagger]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A little something for your spank-bank.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frank Green</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If we didn't exist what would I put on my guns?

Krieger, Obermeyer (if I could get my hands on one). If I couldn't get one of those I would have to sit down and think about it before I pick another.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
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Thanks for your input, but this adds absolutely nothing to this thread except clutter. If you have no personal experience with Krieger 5R barrels then do not post on this thread. I don't know what your problem is or who you think you are, there is no need for any of your foolishness.

 

[Lofty]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

Really?

Frank Green of Bartlein barrels, without question one of the finest barrel manufactures in the world, says that if he couldnt get one of his own barrels that Krieger would be at the top of his list.....and that doesnt add anything to your thread our answer your question?

How much better of an endorsement are you looking for!?!?

 

[Bob L Swagger]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lofty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really?

Frank Green of Bartlein barrels, without question one of the finest barrel manufactures in the world, says that if he couldnt get one of his own barrels that Krieger would be at the top of his list.....and that doesnt add anything to your thread our answer your question?

How much better of an endorsement are you looking for!?!? </div></div>

Lofty,

I think you misunderstood.. I know Krieger barrels are fine and there is a plethora of info on them .. I am specifically looking for info into their 5R barrel line. This "19Scout77" has been breaking my balls for some unknown reason.

Frank Greens info that was cut and pasted from another thread in regards to Kriegers barrels was appreciated.. as I said thank you for that.. But the other nonsense that "19Scout77" has been posting is unnecessary.

 

[JByrd]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

I have heard some very very well respected builders say they saw absolutely no diff. In performance between kreiger standard 4grove vs 5r. And two top level shooters running 243's said no diff. One runs standard other runs 5r. Just get it screwed on and go shoot. My surgeon scalpel had 1/10 kreiger 5r and is currently getting rebarreled with standard 4 grove because i highly respect the above mentioned shooters/ smith's opinion. You'll b fine lil buddy.

 

[A10XRIFLE]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

Id go with a Bartlein or Ordermeyer over a Kreiger based on my experienve with all three of them.

ALL in 5R

 

[Bob L Swagger]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

Fellas, Thank you for all of your input.

Bob

 

[Pusher591]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

Bob, this guy is running a Krieger 5R and it's impressive.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3196485#Post3196485

Krieger is one if the best barrel makers ever, I doubt you will be disappointed, Some of the most accurate guns I've seen are Krieger,Bartlein,Rock Creek,Lilja, and Brux barreled. Schneider's are very impressive as well.

 

[swage]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

When I was calling around to different smiths and asking about barrel makers it was no coincidence that the higher volume shops that build you a rifle with components in stock use Bartlein. The shops that most often you have to order your own components or are lower volume use Krieger. The reason I was told by one smith is they can't get barrels from Krieger fast enough to have enough of them in stock to cover all their builds. It seems that Bartlein is able to produce more barrels and still maintain quality versus some of the others.

 

[Jon Lester]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

I personally cant shoot well enough to tell the difference, and I have had a bunch of those mentioned, including the specific Krieger mentioned. Availability when I need a barrel is the trump card.OH and Bugholes just hooked me up on a great Oby for a Pierce 300!

 

[9H_Cracka]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: swage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I was calling around to different smiths and asking about barrel makers it was no coincidence that the higher volume shops that build you a rifle with components in stock use Bartlein. The shops that most often you have to order your own components or are lower volume use Krieger. The reason I was told by one smith is they can't get barrels from Krieger fast enough to have enough of them in stock to cover all their builds. It seems that Bartlein is able to produce more barrels and still maintain quality versus some of the others. </div></div>

Unless you have direct relationships with principles at all makers mentioned and they are sharing with you their detailed records of barrels shipped by bore diameter and twist rate, plus what their bad replacement barrel percentages are, you are in no position to draw such conclusions or make such comparisons.

 

[Jhnmdahl]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H_Cracka</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: swage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I was calling around to different smiths and asking about barrel makers it was no coincidence that the higher volume shops that build you a rifle with components in stock use Bartlein. The shops that most often you have to order your own components or are lower volume use Krieger. The reason I was told by one smith is they can't get barrels from Krieger fast enough to have enough of them in stock to cover all their builds. It seems that Bartlein is able to produce more barrels and still maintain quality versus some of the others. </div></div>

Unless you have direct relationships with principles at all makers mentioned and they are sharing with you their detailed records of barrels shipped by bore diameter and twist rate, plus what their bad replacement barrel percentages are, you are in no position to draw such conclusions or make such comparisons.</div></div>

Krieger maintains an inventory list of barrels ready to ship, usually numbering in the hundreds, and has stock enough to serve custom gunsmiths pretty quickly for common calibers and twists. You can also buy Krieger barrels chambered and finished from Midway, for example, which only puts additional pressure on the pipeline. That said, there's probably a reason people like me are still willing to wait months for a custom 24" MTU 5R in stainless for my .308...

 

[Bob L Swagger]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jhnmdahl</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H_Cracka</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: swage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I was calling around to different smiths and asking about barrel makers it was no coincidence that the higher volume shops that build you a rifle with components in stock use Bartlein. The shops that most often you have to order your own components or are lower volume use Krieger. The reason I was told by one smith is they can't get barrels from Krieger fast enough to have enough of them in stock to cover all their builds. It seems that Bartlein is able to produce more barrels and still maintain quality versus some of the others. </div></div>

Unless you have direct relationships with principles at all makers mentioned and they are sharing with you their detailed records of barrels shipped by bore diameter and twist rate, plus what their bad replacement barrel percentages are, you are in no position to draw such conclusions or make such comparisons.</div></div>

Krieger maintains an inventory list of barrels ready to ship, usually numbering in the hundreds, and has stock enough to serve custom gunsmiths pretty quickly for common calibers and twists. You can also buy Krieger barrels chambered and finished from Midway, for example, which only puts additional pressure on the pipeline. That said, there's probably a reason people like me are still willing to wait months for a custom 24" MTU 5R in stainless for my .308... </div></div>

If you are waiting for a 1:10, wait no longer!

Click here

 

[Jhnmdahl]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob L. Swagger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you are waiting for a 1:10, wait no longer!

Click here </div></div>

I've got the barrel (11.25 twist), Surgeon 591 action, Hensoldt scope... it's the JAE-700 stock that I'm waiting on. Thanks for the link, though!

 

[Bob L Swagger]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

That sounds like a nice parts list right there... Just looked at the stocks, VERY NICE!

 

[krw]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

I have purchased 2 Kreigers in the last 18 months. Before I ordered the first one I called them and asked what difference I could expect between their 4-groove and 5R barrels. I was told there was no difference, except more people were wanting the 5R style rifling and they needed to sell them to obtain their business. I opted for the 4-groove bbl. Am getting ready to order and new bbl for a 308. Will be a Kreiger 4-groove! krw

 

[Frank Green]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: krw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have purchased 2 Kreigers in the last 18 months. Before I ordered the first one I called them and asked what difference I could expect between their 4-groove and 5R barrels. I was told there was no difference, except more people were wanting the 5R style rifling and they needed to sell them to obtain their business. I opted for the 4-groove bbl. Am getting ready to order and new bbl for a 308. Will be a Kreiger 4-groove! krw </div></div>

For the most part no difference in accuracy or barrel life between the number of grooves.

What I do believe in though is that the odd number of lands of the bore they don't directly oppose one another. This can have a positive effect on not up setting/distorting the bullet jacket as much vs. a even groove barrel and in the case of some of the match bullets with the thinner jackets it can help to combat against bullet failure which is more of a concern for a long range shooter (say past 300 yards) then a short range shooter.

Also the gentler angle on the sides of the lands will help in not creating such a harsh/stress/fracture line cut on the bullet jacket which can cause a stress area on the jacket as well.

A lot of us take bullets for granted. We forget that the bullet is a variable and can vary from lot to lot or even in the same box etc...

Some times the barrel can be damaged in one way or another and that will cause bullets to fail as well.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

 

[TCKev]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frank Green</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: krw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have purchased 2 Kreigers in the last 18 months. Before I ordered the first one I called them and asked what difference I could expect between their 4-groove and 5R barrels. I was told there was no difference, except more people were wanting the 5R style rifling and they needed to sell them to obtain their business. I opted for the 4-groove bbl. Am getting ready to order and new bbl for a 308. Will be a Kreiger 4-groove! krw </div></div>

For the most part no difference in accuracy or barrel life between the number of grooves.

What I do believe in though is that the odd number of lands of the bore they don't directly oppose one another. This can have a positive effect on not up setting/distorting the bullet jacket as much vs. a even groove barrel and in the case of some of the match bullets with the thinner jackets it can help to combat against bullet failure which is more of a concern for a long range shooter (say past 300 yards) then a short range shooter.

Also the gentler angle on the sides of the lands will help with not such a harsh cut on the bullet jacket which can cause a stress area on the jacket as well.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels </div></div>

Don't get a better answer than that Thanks Frank

 

[WindDoper]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

I guess that I had not thought about the odd groove that way. Might have something to do with my preference in hot rod small bores for three groove rifling though. They always seem to shoot faster and handle their velocity with great accuracy.

 

[andrews1958]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

May be a foolish question but can someone explain what "5R" represents

 

[Petey]

Re: Krieger 5R barrels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">May be a foolish question but can someone explain what "5R" represents</div></div>

This is right from the Krieger website:

http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/5_R_Rifling-c1246-wp6676.htm