Fieldcraft Krieger_tactics: Long Range Marksmanship - Part 1

#151
TheBigCountry said:
It’s Buddly. Or GarandMan. Or ThePhoenixEye secret CIA/SF dude with Velcro shoes. What was his name again?
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The only thoughts that came to my mind were Inspector Gadget, Agent Maxwell Smart (agent 86), Col. Samuel Bragg (from the tv show, "MASH", played by the brilliant Edward Winter.) In that order.
 
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Now, to reply to some other things.

I, like many others here, live in Texas. North Texas, for me. My LTC instructor is a retired police officer and sheriff's deputy. And spent some time in the service. He still offers training to police departments and sheriff's offices, too. Did not seem to difficult to him. And he was very good and teaching us how to shoot a firearm had nothing to do with his ability to operate a license to carry class.

Granted, I have not researched all the particulars for running a tactical school but the state is not really the obstacle. The obstacle is insurance. There is no state office that monitors training camps. Not even the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation, that gives me my trade license, does anything about licensing operators of training camps. The biggest thing, again, is insurance. I have nothing against using airsoft for scenarios. I constantly dry fire at home, killing my oven every other night to improve my skills of relaxing and finding the momentary calm at which to press my 2 pound 7.7 ounce trigger. The distance is not important, the regimen of making oneself still, is. And that would be my greatest and most important advice, if I were an expert at shooting. But I am not. But I have a really good rifle that is shooting 1/2 in at 100 yards.

Anyway, how many clients is one going to get without live fire? Even with my dry fire, firing live rounds is different. You have to learn to relax after the recoil. As far as I know, an airsoft rifle does not recoil like a .308 Win 168 grain at 2700 fps.

As for the advice of where to zero, I sometimes use an indoor 100 yard range. But before I go there, I am at home with about 6 yards from 1 end of the long part of the house to the other (where the accursed oven is.) I use a laser bore sighter. Now, when I get to the range, I am on paper at 25 yards. As for muzzle brakes, I do not worry about that. Everyone else has one and the stalls have dividers. And, by golly, we wear ear protection. In fact, I like to wear good old ear plugs and cans. Most ranges will not allow you to go in there without ear protection.

But, eventually, I will stretch to 100 yards. Truly, though, if you want to build a consistent pattern of accuracy, you need to take your rig and specific ammo to a range where you can shoot at each major distance. Sure, you could calculate it. But the greatest sniper in the armed forces did it the old-fashioned way. Took shots at 100, 200, 300 and so on and made adjustments and noted that and it was his primare DOPE card.
 
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Ravenworks said:
How so?
Everything he told me seemed good.
He told me the ammo guy was Bi sexually.
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W54/XM-388 said:
It seems the OP is busy spamming this same "Information" (if it can be charitably described as that), across multiple firearms forums:

To wit:
www.firearmstalk.com

Krieger_Tactics: Long Range Precision Marksmanship - Part 1

Krieger_Tactics: Long Range Precision Marksmanship - Part 1 My call sign is Krieger. I am a former Special Forces Soldier (7th Special Forces Group, Ft. Bragg, NC), former security contractor (Triple Canopy – Baghdad, Iraq), and current Unconventional Asset Recovery Agent. I have been...
www.firearmstalk.com www.firearmstalk.com

Who knows, this "information source" might stick around long enough for us to really have fun this weekend...
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Good morning W54/XM-388,

I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provides me with an opportunity to reach readers than I would have been able to otherwise, for which I am grateful.

It also allows me to provide correction to your incorrect assumption that I spammed when in reality... you spammed.

I'd like to invite you to review the definition of "spam" with me.

"Spam" as per the MERRIAM WEBSTER'S dictionary:

Spam:

"unsolicited usually commercial messages (such as emails, text messages, or Internet postings) sent to a large number of recipients or posted in a large number of places."

You may find this information here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spam

In your reply you state that I was the one who is spamming.

You are incorrect.

I posted a thread that was sent directly to no "large number of recipients." I did not send a post directly to anyone. I sent it to a forum and each individual who replied to this thread deliberately decided to interact with me and with others...

I posted a thread to this forum and another. In no one's mind is that posting in a "large number of places."

Therefore, according to the Merriam Webster's dictionary, I have not spammed.


Again, I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provided me with an opportunity to provide some clarification regarding the process of spam and that engaging in two forums where no individual in particular is contacted is not "spamming."

I especially appreciate your reply because it allowed me to show that when a post is written where each individual who is reached is only reached after they make a conscious, deliberate decision to engage in the forum... is not spamming.

Respectfully,

Krieger
 
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Krieger_Tactics said:
Good morning W54/XM-388,

I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provides me with an opportunity to reach readers than I would have been able to otherwise, for which I am grateful.

It also allows me to provide correction to your incorrect assumption that I spammed when in reality... you spammed.

I'd like to invite you to review the definition of "spam" with me.

"Spam" as per the MERRIAM WEBSTER'S dictionary:

Spam:

"unsolicited usually commercial messages (such as emails, text messages, or Internet postings) sent to a large number of recipients or posted in a large number of places."

You may find this information here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spam

In your reply you state that I was the one who is spamming.

You are incorrect.

I posted a thread that was sent directly to no "large number of recipients." I did not send a post directly to anyone. I sent it to a forum and each individual who replied to this thread deliberately decided to interact with me and with others...

I posted a thread to this forum and another. In no one's mind is that posting in a "large number of places."

Therefore, according to the Merriam Webster's dictionary, I have not spammed.


Again, I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provided me with an opportunity to provide some clarification regarding the process of spam and that engaging in two forums where no individual in particular is contacted is not "spamming."

I especially appreciate your reply because it allowed me to show that when a post is written where each individual who is reached is only reached after they make a conscious, deliberate decision to engage in the forum... is not spamming.

Respectfully,

Krieger
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Now look up the definition of "troll" and "trolling".
 
#172
Krieger_Tactics said:
Good morning W54/XM-388,

I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provides me with an opportunity to reach readers than I would have been able to otherwise, for which I am grateful.

It also allows me to provide correction to your incorrect assumption that I spammed when in reality... you spammed.

I'd like to invite you to review the definition of "spam" with me.

"Spam" as per the MERRIAM WEBSTER'S dictionary:

Spam:

"unsolicited usually commercial messages (such as emails, text messages, or Internet postings) sent to a large number of recipients or posted in a large number of places."

You may find this information here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spam

In your reply you state that I was the one who is spamming.

You are incorrect.

I posted a thread that was sent directly to no "large number of recipients." I did not send a post directly to anyone. I sent it to a forum and each individual who replied to this thread deliberately decided to interact with me and with others...

I posted a thread to this forum and another. In no one's mind is that posting in a "large number of places."

Therefore, according to the Merriam Webster's dictionary, I have not spammed.


Again, I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provided me with an opportunity to provide some clarification regarding the process of spam and that engaging in two forums where no individual in particular is contacted is not "spamming."

I especially appreciate your reply because it allowed me to show that when a post is written where each individual who is reached is only reached after they make a conscious, deliberate decision to engage in the forum... is not spamming.

Respectfully,

Krieger
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I'm pretty sure 7th group is in Florida at Eglin, I know this because I went through their MAROPS course back in 2016 while I worked as a DMT at NSA PC.......

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#173
Krieger_Tactics said:
My call sign is Krieger. I am a former Special Forces Soldier (7th Special Forces Group, Ft. Bragg, NC), former security contractor, and current Unconventional Asset Recovery Agent.

I have been fortunate enough to have attended multiple long range precision marksmanship courses and to have deployed numerous times as both a military sniper and as a Designated Defensive Marksman.

This past week I had the opportunity to work with two individuals who had rifles long range precision rifles that they wanted to zero.

Before we went to the range we discussed some of the concepts and aspects that affect long range precision marksmanship.

Some of those concepts and aspects are:

Range, Wind speed, Wind direction, Barometric pressure, Humidity, Temperature, Altitude, Shooter to target altitude deviation, Location of the sun, Bullet weight and construction, Measurement of MILs and MOA, Converting MIL to MOA (and vice versa), Affects and importance of cold barrel registration, Affects and importance of clean cold barrel registration, the zeroing process, and slipping of rings, etc.

We then went to the range.


7-YARD LINE
My zeroing method may be a little unconventional when compared to the methods used by some, especially with regards to utilizing a long range precision marksmanship rifle, but I think that it is very efficient and effective. That is why I am sharing it in this forum.

Whether I am shooting a pistol, AR style rifle, or even a "long-gun" as some in the tactical world refer to long range precision rifles, I have the exact same first few rounds process.

No matter what weapon system I'm utilizing I start at the 7 yard line and it is from this distance that I fire the first round.

I utilize this approach due to my personal experience and the experience of others that if the deviation of your sighting system is great enough, and the range at which you fire your first few rounds is far enough...

You will not hit the target, nor even the backer at all, and you will not have an initial reference impact from which you are able to make adjustments.

Some may say that’s not possible. It is. It's happened in my presence. In fact this is exactly what had occurred with the first of the two shooters some months ago. He purchased a new rifle, put a scope on it, went to the range and fired it at 100 yards and completely missed the target and backer. Neither he, nor those he was with were ever able to see his hits on the target because he completely missed. When he explained what he had experienced to me I had a very good idea what happened. I explained it to him. I don't think he didn’t quite believe me.

From the 7-yard line, I verified that the scope was placed on the rifle appropriately, and from a kneeling position at I fired one single shot. From 7 yards the shot was extremely low and far to the right. At 100 yards it would have been far enough off of center that it would not have impacted the target backer. We would not therefore, have been able to know from what point to begin making corrections. The shooter was able to see that if this same rifle had been fired from the 100-yard line that the likelihood of missing the target backer completely was very high.

I made a few elevation and windage adjustments, fired and then hit center mass.

Now that the shooter could see that the rifle did have the capability to hit center mass (albeit at 7 yards) he had a new-found confidence in his rifle and scope. I passed the rifle off to the shooter, who then fired it from supported prone and hit off center (high and to the left). We then made adjustments to get him on center and then moved to the 50 yard line, where we repeated the process and then the 100 yard line. At the 100 yard line the shooter was able to group less than 1 MOA and just slightly left of center. This left deviation is attributable to a certain few (correctable) aspects. I’ll address those later.


TAKE AWAY
For now, I’ll share this take-away from my initial shooting (zeroing) process. You can always start the zeroing process at 25, 50 or even the 100-yard line. You will most likely do fine. I would just note that I’ve seen the best of shooters miss during the zeroing process at each of those yard lines. I always start at 7 yards. I’ve never missed an entire backer at the 7 yard line and I always know exactly and immediately where I’ve hit. This process saves me (and those who are with me) both time and rounds utilized.

UPCOMING POSTS
Krieger_tactics: Long Range Marksmanship - Part 2
Krieger_tactics: Long Range Marksmanship - Part 3


-Krieger

Pictured below: Sniper Data Book
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Isn't 7th group in Florida at Eglin.........just saying there buddy.....

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Krieger_Tactics said:
My call sign is Krieger. I am a former Special Forces Soldier (7th Special Forces Group, Ft. Bragg, NC), former security contractor, and current Unconventional Asset Recovery Agent.

I have been fortunate enough to have attended multiple long range precision marksmanship courses and to have deployed numerous times as both a military sniper and as a Designated Defensive Marksman.

This past week I had the opportunity to work with two individuals who had rifles long range precision rifles that they wanted to zero.

Before we went to the range we discussed some of the concepts and aspects that affect long range precision marksmanship.

Some of those concepts and aspects are:

Range, Wind speed, Wind direction, Barometric pressure, Humidity, Temperature, Altitude, Shooter to target altitude deviation, Location of the sun, Bullet weight and construction, Measurement of MILs and MOA, Converting MIL to MOA (and vice versa), Affects and importance of cold barrel registration, Affects and importance of clean cold barrel registration, the zeroing process, and slipping of rings, etc.

We then went to the range.


7-YARD LINE
My zeroing method may be a little unconventional when compared to the methods used by some, especially with regards to utilizing a long range precision marksmanship rifle, but I think that it is very efficient and effective. That is why I am sharing it in this forum.

Whether I am shooting a pistol, AR style rifle, or even a "long-gun" as some in the tactical world refer to long range precision rifles, I have the exact same first few rounds process.

No matter what weapon system I'm utilizing I start at the 7 yard line and it is from this distance that I fire the first round.

I utilize this approach due to my personal experience and the experience of others that if the deviation of your sighting system is great enough, and the range at which you fire your first few rounds is far enough...

You will not hit the target, nor even the backer at all, and you will not have an initial reference impact from which you are able to make adjustments.

Some may say that’s not possible. It is. It's happened in my presence. In fact this is exactly what had occurred with the first of the two shooters some months ago. He purchased a new rifle, put a scope on it, went to the range and fired it at 100 yards and completely missed the target and backer. Neither he, nor those he was with were ever able to see his hits on the target because he completely missed. When he explained what he had experienced to me I had a very good idea what happened. I explained it to him. I don't think he didn’t quite believe me.

From the 7-yard line, I verified that the scope was placed on the rifle appropriately, and from a kneeling position at I fired one single shot. From 7 yards the shot was extremely low and far to the right. At 100 yards it would have been far enough off of center that it would not have impacted the target backer. We would not therefore, have been able to know from what point to begin making corrections. The shooter was able to see that if this same rifle had been fired from the 100-yard line that the likelihood of missing the target backer completely was very high.

I made a few elevation and windage adjustments, fired and then hit center mass.

Now that the shooter could see that the rifle did have the capability to hit center mass (albeit at 7 yards) he had a new-found confidence in his rifle and scope. I passed the rifle off to the shooter, who then fired it from supported prone and hit off center (high and to the left). We then made adjustments to get him on center and then moved to the 50 yard line, where we repeated the process and then the 100 yard line. At the 100 yard line the shooter was able to group less than 1 MOA and just slightly left of center. This left deviation is attributable to a certain few (correctable) aspects. I’ll address those later.


TAKE AWAY
For now, I’ll share this take-away from my initial shooting (zeroing) process. You can always start the zeroing process at 25, 50 or even the 100-yard line. You will most likely do fine. I would just note that I’ve seen the best of shooters miss during the zeroing process at each of those yard lines. I always start at 7 yards. I’ve never missed an entire backer at the 7 yard line and I always know exactly and immediately where I’ve hit. This process saves me (and those who are with me) both time and rounds utilized.

UPCOMING POSTS
Krieger_tactics: Long Range Marksmanship - Part 2
Krieger_tactics: Long Range Marksmanship - Part 3


-Krieger

Pictured below: Sniper Data Book
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Why did you remove the link to your "training group"?

Are you fixing the e-mail and phone number that went nowhere?
 
#181
barneybdb said:

It is now but was at Bragg when I visited back around 1988​

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Relocation[edit]​

In 2011, 7th SFG(A) relocated from Fort Bragg, North Carolina, to Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, as part of the 2005 Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) round.[10]
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Him stating 7th Group is correct. I'm curious what year as I'd be able to shine some light on that ODA number he posted.

7th was part of what moved into Kandahar with 2/2 when the Canadians were displaced and some of the 7th group guys were at FB Cobra with me.
 
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Krieger_Tactics said:
Good morning W54/XM-388,

I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provides me with an opportunity to reach readers than I would have been able to otherwise, for which I am grateful.

It also allows me to provide correction to your incorrect assumption that I spammed when in reality... you spammed.

I'd like to invite you to review the definition of "spam" with me.

"Spam" as per the MERRIAM WEBSTER'S dictionary:

Spam:

"unsolicited usually commercial messages (such as emails, text messages, or Internet postings) sent to a large number of recipients or posted in a large number of places."

You may find this information here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spam

In your reply you state that I was the one who is spamming.

You are incorrect.

I posted a thread that was sent directly to no "large number of recipients." I did not send a post directly to anyone. I sent it to a forum and each individual who replied to this thread deliberately decided to interact with me and with others...

I posted a thread to this forum and another. In no one's mind is that posting in a "large number of places."

Therefore, according to the Merriam Webster's dictionary, I have not spammed.


Again, I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provided me with an opportunity to provide some clarification regarding the process of spam and that engaging in two forums where no individual in particular is contacted is not "spamming."

I especially appreciate your reply because it allowed me to show that when a post is written where each individual who is reached is only reached after they make a conscious, deliberate decision to engage in the forum... is not spamming.

Respectfully,

Krieger
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Spam boobies
 
#196
Krieger_Tactics said:
Good morning W54/XM-388,

I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provides me with an opportunity to reach readers than I would have been able to otherwise, for which I am grateful.

It also allows me to provide correction to your incorrect assumption that I spammed when in reality... you spammed.

I'd like to invite you to review the definition of "spam" with me.

"Spam" as per the MERRIAM WEBSTER'S dictionary:

Spam:

"unsolicited usually commercial messages (such as emails, text messages, or Internet postings) sent to a large number of recipients or posted in a large number of places."

You may find this information here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spam

In your reply you state that I was the one who is spamming.

You are incorrect.

I posted a thread that was sent directly to no "large number of recipients." I did not send a post directly to anyone. I sent it to a forum and each individual who replied to this thread deliberately decided to interact with me and with others...

I posted a thread to this forum and another. In no one's mind is that posting in a "large number of places."

Therefore, according to the Merriam Webster's dictionary, I have not spammed.


Again, I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provided me with an opportunity to provide some clarification regarding the process of spam and that engaging in two forums where no individual in particular is contacted is not "spamming."

I especially appreciate your reply because it allowed me to show that when a post is written where each individual who is reached is only reached after they make a conscious, deliberate decision to engage in the forum... is not spamming.

Respectfully,

Krieger
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Spam. I have a penis
 
#197
Krieger_Tactics said:
Good morning W54/XM-388,

I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provides me with an opportunity to reach readers than I would have been able to otherwise, for which I am grateful.

It also allows me to provide correction to your incorrect assumption that I spammed when in reality... you spammed.

I'd like to invite you to review the definition of "spam" with me.

"Spam" as per the MERRIAM WEBSTER'S dictionary:

Spam:

"unsolicited usually commercial messages (such as emails, text messages, or Internet postings) sent to a large number of recipients or posted in a large number of places."

You may find this information here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spam

In your reply you state that I was the one who is spamming.

You are incorrect.

I posted a thread that was sent directly to no "large number of recipients." I did not send a post directly to anyone. I sent it to a forum and each individual who replied to this thread deliberately decided to interact with me and with others...

I posted a thread to this forum and another. In no one's mind is that posting in a "large number of places."

Therefore, according to the Merriam Webster's dictionary, I have not spammed.


Again, I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provided me with an opportunity to provide some clarification regarding the process of spam and that engaging in two forums where no individual in particular is contacted is not "spamming."

I especially appreciate your reply because it allowed me to show that when a post is written where each individual who is reached is only reached after they make a conscious, deliberate decision to engage in the forum... is not spamming.

Respectfully,

Krieger
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Spam, tounge punching a fart box
 
#198
Krieger_Tactics said:
Good morning W54/XM-388,

I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provides me with an opportunity to reach readers than I would have been able to otherwise, for which I am grateful.

It also allows me to provide correction to your incorrect assumption that I spammed when in reality... you spammed.

I'd like to invite you to review the definition of "spam" with me.

"Spam" as per the MERRIAM WEBSTER'S dictionary:

Spam:

"unsolicited usually commercial messages (such as emails, text messages, or Internet postings) sent to a large number of recipients or posted in a large number of places."

You may find this information here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spam

In your reply you state that I was the one who is spamming.

You are incorrect.

I posted a thread that was sent directly to no "large number of recipients." I did not send a post directly to anyone. I sent it to a forum and each individual who replied to this thread deliberately decided to interact with me and with others...

I posted a thread to this forum and another. In no one's mind is that posting in a "large number of places."

Therefore, according to the Merriam Webster's dictionary, I have not spammed.


Again, I appreciate you having written in. Your having written in provided me with an opportunity to provide some clarification regarding the process of spam and that engaging in two forums where no individual in particular is contacted is not "spamming."

I especially appreciate your reply because it allowed me to show that when a post is written where each individual who is reached is only reached after they make a conscious, deliberate decision to engage in the forum... is not spamming.

Respectfully,

Krieger
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Spam, butt pluggs are cool
 
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