Kudos for Primal Rights CPS!

[Halfnutz]

Some times there are companies that will take better care of you than you deserve. @orkan Primal Rights is one of those companies!

(Yes, I lost the LR pin during mounting of all things.)

AND YES! the CPS is way better than a hand primer too!

CPS - Competition Primer Seater

 

[kthomas]

The CPS seems to be the most well thought out, and best designed priming tool out there, bar none.

It's the only item that I feel is missing from my reloading room, but being a poor student (again), makes it a purchase that's out of reach for a few years.

Enjoy the CPS!

 

[LV Precision]

My CPS is well worth the money, priming a couple hundred rounds is fast, effortless, and extremely consistent. Definitely a product that will last a lifetime of loading.

 

[kthomas]

My CPS is well worth the money, priming a couple hundred rounds is fast, effortless, and extremely consistent. Definitely a product that will last a lifetime of loading.

Priming is my least favorite thing to do. Hand primers suck, and gets old pretty quickly. I usually limit my priming sessions to 100 hundred pieces of brass.

If I spend money on reloading gear, it must either add performance, convenience (time) and/or add comfort/ease of use.

Using a CPS seems much more enjoyable then priming by hand. Added bonus is that every single primer would be seated consistently.

 

[HemiPowrd]

Love the CPS! The only thing I would change is it needs a way to adjust the handle angle so at the end of the downstroke it can be closer to the bench. My right elbow is a bit tweaked and it gets a little painful after priming a couple hundred rounds.

 

[orkan]

Love the CPS! The only thing I would change is it needs a way to adjust the handle angle so at the end of the downstroke it can be closer to the bench. My right elbow is a bit tweaked and it gets a little painful after priming a couple hundred rounds.

Thanks for the feedback. First thing like this I've heard. The handle angle cannot be changed with the present handle design, as the internal hard stop is critical to the operation of the tool. It stops where it stops, as it were. Changing the timing of the rotor will negatively affect the precision of the mechanism also.

Let me think on this some. I might be able to fashion a handle for you which could make it better for you. Would you be willing to give me a call so that we can discuss options? I'd like to get a firmer understanding of what's happening. We should be able to find a way to help with it!

Greg Dykstra - 605-554-1911

If I spend money on reloading gear, it must either add performance, convenience (time) and/or add comfort/ease of use.

If the CPS doesn't give you all of those, I'd be surprised. If it doesn't give you at least one of those, I'd consider myself a complete failure. We've been blessed as a company. I've been blessed personally. PM me your address, and I'll send you a CPS. You can use it for the rest of the year. This Christmas, I want you to start a thread here, and I want you to give it away. If you're successful in that mission, I'll sell you your replacement for half price. I'll drop ship the one you give away, if you get attached to the one you get. If you don't give one away to a worthy passionate shooter, that can't afford one, by midnight on December 25th 2021, you owe me $700. If you accept any money for the one you give away or if you give it away to someone that doesn't deserve it or need it... the shame will never leave you in this life. Deal?

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Thanks for the shout out @Halfnutz. My staff will get your new priming rod on route to you asap! If you don't have it within a week or two, please get a hold of us. Shipping has been a bit difficult lately... things wandering all over the country. lol Guess we can't take anything for granted in the modern world.

 

[Engine 22]

The Primal Rights CPS is without a doubt the best priming tool available. Yes, it is expensive, but it is high quality, quick, and extremely consistent. Having primed countless cases with a hand primer and used a competitor's bench mounted tool, the CPS is unrivaled in speed, adjust-ability, and precision. Definitely right up there with a Giraud trimmer and a precision powder measuring system as far as money well spent AND time saved.

 

[HemiPowrd]

Thanks for the feedback. First thing like this I've heard. The handle angle cannot be changed with the present handle design, as the internal hard stop is critical to the operation of the tool. It stops where it stops, as it were. Changing the timing of the rotor will negatively affect the precision of the mechanism also.

Let me think on this some. I might be able to fashion a handle for you which could make it better for you. Would you be willing to give me a call so that we can discuss options? I'd like to get a firmer understanding of what's happening. We should be able to find a way to help with it!

Greg Dykstra - 605-554-1911

Great! I will try to give you a call tomorrow (Wednesday).

 

[Kpchurch]

I got the CPS mounted to the QD base. Just waiting to the Inline sub base plate as I don’t want to router the table. I’ve black bagged it though, to keep dust and debris out as a cover isn’t available, hint, hint, hint.

 

[Zatchmo]

I prime on a 550. I definitely looked at the Christmas deal and thought about it, but just couldn't pull the trigger. Aside from the outstanding customer service, is there a down range benefit? I'm ignorant to any performance being left on the table.

 

[Halfnutz]

Let me think on this some. I might be able to fashion a handle for you which could make it better for you. Would you be willing to give me a call so that we can discuss options? I'd like to get a firmer understanding of what's happening. We should be able to find a way to help with

@orkan

The quill handle on a Bridgeport at work is removable from the shaft and has an offset pin that can be repositioned in a series of radial holes.
A flange on one end the of the CPS shaft with radial holes and a handle on a collar with a pin to engage a different hole for position would be one method.
The flange could be secured as an add on using the existing handle threads.

Thinking out loud.

Thank you for a great product and a customer service that is beyond reproach.

 

[orkan]

is there a down range benefit?

Yes. Measurable both in group size as well as on a chronograph, if you're able to shoot small enough.

The quill handle on a Bridgeport at work is removable from the shaft and has an offset pin that can be repositioned in a series of radial holes.

Can you take a picture of this mechanism?

 

[Halfnutz]

Gladly, I am back in the shop tommorow and will get a pic for you.

 

[HemiPowrd]

Thanks for the feedback. First thing like this I've heard. The handle angle cannot be changed with the present handle design, as the internal hard stop is critical to the operation of the tool. It stops where it stops, as it were. Changing the timing of the rotor will negatively affect the precision of the mechanism also.

Let me think on this some. I might be able to fashion a handle for you which could make it better for you. Would you be willing to give me a call so that we can discuss options? I'd like to get a firmer understanding of what's happening. We should be able to find a way to help with it!

Greg Dykstra - 605-554-1911

Great! I will try to give you a call tomorrow (Wednesday).

Spoke with Orkan today - great guy and very good in-depth conversation! He pointed out that the CPS was designed to be used with a pulling motion while either seated or standing (with a riser) to give it enough height to operate it with a pulling motion. I've been using it like a press and pushing down on the handle which is why I've been experiencing pain in my elbow. He also offered some suggestions to lower the handle to enable me to use it more like a press. I'm going to try using it while seated and see how that works out.

 

[orkan]

Was great to talk with you @HemiPowrd! Very illuminating conversation. I look forward to hearing how you get along with it in the future.

 

[Black max]

What does this do that my 750xl does not? Ive loaded 10's of thousands of rounds with phenomenal accuracy and sd. I am asking because I truly want to be educated on proper priming.

 

[orkan]

What does this do that my 750xl does not? Ive loaded 10's of thousands of rounds with phenomenal accuracy and sd. I am asking because I truly want to be educated on proper priming.

Comparing a CPS to a dillon progressive press is a bit like comparing an extremely high quality knife to a gerber multi-tool... but I'll give it a shot.

The CPS allows primer depths to be controlled in 1 thousandth of an inch increments. (or better)
The CPS allows you to feel the most subtle variances of primers going into the pocket.
The CPS allows you to visually check the orientation of every primer before it is seated.
The CPS allows you to prime cases at a rate of 1200 per hour, without taking up a large amount of bench space.
The CPS allows you to switch cartridges in a minute.
The CPS has never blown a stack of primers in the tube while priming.
The CPS allows you to perform a primer seating depth test, which can drastically reduce ES and increase accuracy.

There are lots of ways to do all the jobs that need done on a reloading bench. When people start asking more than their current priming methods can provide, the CPS is there for them. If you're happy with what you're doing, then be happy. I wasn't happy when I decided to invent the CPS, and I had used nearly every other priming method on the planet at that point. Now I get speed, precision, and ease of use all at once. I don't have to choose.

 

[Halfnutz]

@orkan.
Sounds like you have had some conversation to remedy the discomfort for @HemiPowrd, but if not here are the photos of the handle.
An add on doesn't have alot of space with the current CPS shaft, maybe a replacement shaft is doable in a right or left hand only design.

 

[orkan]

@orkan.
Sounds like you have had some conversation to remedy the discomfort for @HemiPowrd, but if not here are the photos of the handle.
An add on doesn't have alot of space with the current CPS shaft, maybe a replacement shaft is doable in a right or left hand only design.

Thanks for the pic! Yes, I think we discovered the source of hemipowerd's frustration. I'm pretty confident that he'll be happier going forward, but I appreciate the picture anyway. I'll keep it in the back of my mind, should this situation come up in the future and not have an easy resolution.

 

[dddoo7]

What does this do that my 750xl does not? Ive loaded 10's of thousands of rounds with phenomenal accuracy and sd. I am asking because I truly want to be educated on proper priming.

I am a huge "blue koolaid" fan. I don't own a 750, but I currently have two 550's and have owned an RL1050 and a 1050 super. I have tens of thousands of rounds through dillon presses and they serve their purpose. I have put somewhere around 70,000 rounds through the 1050's. They will load fairly accurate rounds at a very fast pace. However they are not the ultimate when it comes to precision. There is a wider range of tolerances on every one of these progressive presses to ensure that they run consistently and that does not provide the precision that a single stage press will accomplish.

Even though I have dillon presses, I still load for precision on a single stage press. Priming is no different. There are no adjustments on the dillon press to provide for optimal depth, it is just whatever you get you get. There is no feel on the dillon press to make sure that everything is right because you are often preforming many functions with each pull of the handle. The 550 is a little better about that because it is a "push to prime" press, but still the feel is nothing like the CPS.

I own both because they each serve their purpose. If I want to load up a lot of relatively accurate ammo very quickly, the dillon will do an excellent job at that. If I want ultimate precision, then every single process has to be done perfectly in the reloading process. When I want ultimate precision, I use a quality single stage press for sizing and seating and the CPS for primers. For ultimate precision, the dillon and CPS do not compare.

 

[Buzzinga]

Upfront, I don't own a CPS priming system but absolutely see their value. However, I do own a couple Primal Rights 6br mag inserts, so I do use their products and support their company. They are good people. I am also in no way stating one system is "better" than the other.

But, some inaccurate info has been repeated in this thread and well, the truth has value, even if it is a small detail.

You can adjust the primer seating depth in a Dillon. By filing down the cup that holds the primer, you get a 1:1 change in seating depth. For example, if you remove .001" from the cup, your primer will seat .001" deeper. This is very easily accomplished on a sharpening stone. This however, will in no way improve the feel when seating primers.

I will also agree with Greg that a properly seated primer will give better downrange performance. I think I usually seat them around .004" below flush.

 

[dddoo7]

Upfront, I don't own a CPS priming system but absolutely see their value. However, I do own a couple Primal Rights 6br mag inserts, so I do use their products and support their company. They are good people. I am also in no way stating one system is "better" than the other.

But, some inaccurate info has been repeated in this thread and well, the truth has value, even if it is a small detail.

You can adjust the primer seating depth in a Dillon. By filing down the cup that holds the primer, you get a 1:1 change in seating depth. For example, if you remove .001" from the cup, your primer will seat .001" deeper. This is very easily accomplished on a sharpening stone. This however, will in no way improve the feel when seating primers.

I will also agree with Greg that a properly seated primer will give better downrange performance. I think I usually seat them around .004" below flush.

You are correct. The seating depth can be adjusted one direction through filing down parts. However should different brass require different depths one would need to purchase several priming parts and keep them labeled. In all reality, the primer seating depth on Dillion presses is not easily adjustable and not intended to be adjusted after the press leaves the factory. Whereas the CPS has a repeatable adjustment knob which is designed for micro adjustments in both directions. While one might be able to “adjust” the Dillon with a file, the cps is fully adjustable.

and again, I love Dillon presses and do not intend to ever get rid of mine. They serve a purpose and do so very well. Yet they do not replace my precision loading equipment.

 

[Buzzinga]

Just trying to let the world know that one can adjust seating depth on a Dillon, that's it friend

 

[dddoo7]

Just trying to let the world know that one can adjust seating depth on a Dillon. As for opinions, I tried to keep those out of my post.

I understand and appreciate the info. In all the rounds I have put through a Dillon I had not considered your approach.

 

[Jlcichocki]

Thanks for the feedback. First thing like this I've heard. The handle angle cannot be changed with the present handle design, as the internal hard stop is critical to the operation of the tool. It stops where it stops, as it were. Changing the timing of the rotor will negatively affect the precision of the mechanism also.

Let me think on this some. I might be able to fashion a handle for you which could make it better for you. Would you be willing to give me a call so that we can discuss options? I'd like to get a firmer understanding of what's happening. We should be able to find a way to help with it!

Greg Dykstra - 605-554-1911


If the CPS doesn't give you all of those, I'd be surprised. If it doesn't give you at least one of those, I'd consider myself a complete failure. We've been blessed as a company. I've been blessed personally. PM me your address, and I'll send you a CPS. You can use it for the rest of the year. This Christmas, I want you to start a thread here, and I want you to give it away. If you're successful in that mission, I'll sell you your replacement for half price. I'll drop ship the one you give away, if you get attached to the one you get. If you don't give one away to a worthy passionate shooter, that can't afford one, by midnight on December 25th 2021, you owe me $700. If you accept any money for the one you give away or if you give it away to someone that doesn't deserve it or need it... the shame will never leave you in this life. Deal?

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Thanks for the shout out @Halfnutz. My staff will get your new priming rod on route to you asap! If you don't have it within a week or two, please get a hold of us. Shipping has been a bit difficult lately... things wandering all over the country. lol Guess we can't take anything for granted in the modern world.

If the CPS doesn't give you all of those, I'd be surprised. If it doesn't give you at least one of those, I'd consider myself a complete failure. We've been blessed as a company. I've been blessed personally. PM me your address, and I'll send you a CPS. You can use it for the rest of the year. This Christmas, I want you to start a thread here, and I want you to give it away. If you're successful in that mission, I'll sell you your replacement for half price. I'll drop ship the one you give away, if you get attached to the one you get. If you don't give one away to a worthy passionate shooter, that can't afford one, by midnight on December 25th 2021, you owe me $700. If you accept any money for the one you give away or if you give it away to someone that doesn't deserve it or need it... the shame will never leave you in this life. Deal?

I screwed up the quoting process, sorry. I absolutely love this offer from @orkan. I hope it makes a difference for someone. I love what Orkan stands for and his ability to share. This isn’t the first generous offer I’ve seen from Primal Rights. In a year that has been so tough for so many, bravo!! I don’t own the CPS...yet. I enjoy working hard, saving and treating myself to nice things. I have no issue paying a premium price, in most cases, you get what you pay for. It‘s also not cheap or easy to run a small business. May your blessed path continue.

 

[ICU22250]

I also have a CPS coming from Orkan, we spoke briefly via messaging here and he seems to be a stand up guy and answered all of my questions.. I think its supposed to arrive this Tuesday and I've been holding off doing any loading till It arrives.. I absolutely hate waiting for shit.. Lol... Thanks again Orkan....

 

[orkan]

I also have a CPS coming from Orkan, we spoke briefly via messaging here and he seems to be a stand up guy and answered all of my questions.. I think its supposed to arrive this Tuesday and I've been holding off doing any loading till It arrives.. I absolutely hate waiting for shit.. Lol... Thanks again Orkan....

You're quite welcome! Thank you for the order! I too absolutely despise waiting for things. The Lord sees fit to teach me patience in this way...
... as I sit here biting my nails waiting for my F-Class Products AutoDOD to arrive.

 

[orkan]

Live stream of approx. 280 pieces of 6 Dasher being primed on our Competition Primer Seater on a recent live stream. The CPS can prime at a rate of over 1000 cases per hour with ease, without wearing you out. ES of .002" with an SD of less than .0005 across this batch of cases with 6 firings, and the primer pockets have not been uniformed.

 

[ACard]

I have had my CPS, about 4 months now....some of the very best money I have spent! Great, no fantastic product!

 

[ICU22250]

I have had my CPS, about 4 months now....some of the very best money I have spent! Great, no fantastic product!

Just received mine in the mail today, first impressions of just looking it over as it's not on the bench yet is this thing feels like it's built like a tank... I can't wait to bolt it down and get started using it. This thing should out live me. Lol...

 

[kthomas]

I just got mine as well, and mounted it to a portable reloading bench that's been collecting dust since I've setup a dedicated reloading room.

I would be stupid to pass up @orkan's offer, and damn, this is one hell of a nice unit! I'm thoroughly impressed with the build quality, it's an impressive unit.

I plan on starting a thread and giving some feedback on this unit once I spend some time priming some brass. I am super pumped to ditch the hand primer!

 

[orkan]

I am super pumped to ditch the hand primer!

They are basically modern torture devices.

 

[ICU22250]

Yep, I just tortured some 223 last night with mine. Lol. Love it so far...

They are basically modern torture devices.

 

[Baron23]

@orkan - may I ask please, what exact make/model is that depth gauge you are using.

Thanks

 

[ICU22250]

I do have a question though, when I'm using my CPS with Lapua brass, these lee shellholders are a bitch with getting the brass in and out for it hanging up? Any suggestions or are there some newer lee shellholders I should be using? I did notice that Orkans looked like a bronze color I think in his CPS videos and mine are just the run of the mill gray ones.

 

[dddoo7]

I just got mine as well, and mounted it to a portable reloading bench that's been collecting dust since I've setup a dedicated reloading room.

I would be stupid to pass up @orkan
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That is good.

apparently your CPS came with a nice, hot cup of coffee. I guess that is something new that Primal Rights is shipping with the cps now. I did not get one with mine.

 

[dddoo7]

I do have a question though, when I'm using my CPS with Lapua brass, these lee shellholders are a bitch with getting the brass in and out for it hanging up? Any suggestions or are there some newer lee shellholders I should be using? I did notice that Orkans looked like a bronze color I think in his CPS videos and mine are just the run of the mill gray ones.

I use Sinclair for most calibers. They are much more refined than Lee.

 

[ICU22250]

I use Sinclair for most calibers. They are much more refined than Lee.

Will they work in the CPS?

 

[dddoo7]

Will they work in the CPS?

Yep. They work well.

SINCLAIR PRIMING TOOL SHELL HOLDERS | Brownells

Sinclair Priming Tool Shell Holders are designed to work specifically in your Sinclair Priming Tool. Each shell holder is precision ground from stainless steel for a lifetime of fit and function. Model number is stamped on the top of the shell hol...

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[ICU22250]

Yep. They work well.

SINCLAIR PRIMING TOOL SHELL HOLDERS | Brownells

Sinclair Priming Tool Shell Holders are designed to work specifically in your Sinclair Priming Tool. Each shell holder is precision ground from stainless steel for a lifetime of fit and function. Model number is stamped on the top of the shell hol...

www.brownells.com

Thank you sir, now to find them in stock..

 

[dddoo7]

Thank you sir, now to find them in stock..

Yep. Same with almost anything shooting related right now. Lol.

 

[orkan]

@orkan - may I ask please, what exact make/model is that depth gauge you are using.

Thanks

It's a mitutoyo digital indicator with a custom collar and tip I had made.

 

[Baron23]

It's a mitutoyo digital indicator with a custom collar and tip I had made.

Ah, it was the collar that caught my attention and got me wondering.

thanks

 

[kriller134]

@orkan your generosity is truly inspiring. I remember seeing you had a cheaper option of a press mounted version. Do you still offer this? Would love have your product one day.

 

[orkan]

@orkan your generosity is truly inspiring. I remember seeing you had a cheaper option of a press mounted version. Do you still offer this? Would love have your product one day.

We do plan to produce them again at some point, but the bench mounted unit is so much better and in much higher demand. As such, all our production capabilities are being spent to attempt to keep up with demand for the full scale bench mounted CPS.

 

[kriller134]

We do plan to produce them again at some point, but the bench mounted unit is so much better and in much higher demand. As such, all our production capabilities are being spent to attempt to keep up with demand for the full scale bench mounted CPS.

That makes sense. Is the cps made to order or do you have them in stock already?

 

[orkan]

That makes sense. Is the cps made to order or do you have them in stock already?

They are typically in stock... though we've been struggling to keep up with demand this past year. We have them in stock at the moment.

 

[kthomas]

I'm going to update this thread, I'm in love with this tool after using it for the first time.

After priming some brass with the CPS primer seater, it has literally been the first time where I've wanted to prime more brass at the end of a priming session. Usually I dread priming brass (used a hand primer before this), and couldn't wait to get done with priming. Now I want to prime everything!

The primer seater is of very high quality, and very well thought out. Priming brass is an ease with this thing, and makes the process of priming brass not only precise, but quick, fun and comfortable. That alone makes this product worth the price of entry. This tool definitely lives up to the hype.

I loaded up some primers at different depths, to test out if I can squeeze out better SD/ES out of my 6BRA ammo. I just haven't had a chance to get to the range and try it out yet. If I can squeeze out some more performance of my 6BRA reloads, I'll be beyond excited about this device...

 

[Terry of illinois]

My CPS primer seater is the very best thing that i have bought in a very long time. And if you ever have the time to talk to Gerg it will be the most intersting converstion you will have. He will answer all your questions and make you feel like you have bin friends forever.A gentlemen like this is very haed to find these days. he is a cridet to his trade.Just talking to him has help me greatly with not only my reloading but also my shooting thank you Greg.

 

[orkan]

My CPS primer seater is the very best thing that i have bought in a very long time. And if you ever have the time to talk to Gerg it will be the most intersting converstion you will have. He will answer all your questions and make you feel like you have bin friends forever.A gentlemen like this is very haed to find these days. he is a cridet to his trade.Just talking to him has help me greatly with not only my reloading but also my shooting thank you Greg.

Thank you very much for the kind words, and I'm very happy you're getting along well with your CPS!