La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

[gladiator8us]

looking for some advise for this AR-10 noob. Got my order in with La Rue tactical for an 18" 7.2 OBR, looking at a 14+/- week lead time, i'm stoked! question is now that this tool will need feeding, where is a good place to get some everyday plinking ammo for good prices. cheaper than dirt has what appears to be quality rounds for about .68 cents per round. Anyone know of other sites i can reliably trust that will have reliable ammo? also looking to store a couple thousand rounds for just having around.

go easy on me

thanks in advance for quality advise

 

[PRDRIVER]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

To name a few:

Federal Gold Medal Match
Black Hills Match
Hornady Match
Hornady TAP
HSM
Southwest Ammunition

Before you go an stock pile a bunch of ammo, I would buy a few boxes of different types of ammo and see what your OBR likes. Then look for the best deal on that type of ammo.

 

[K_4c]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

If you have the means...Reload.... You won't ever buy another box off the shelf again...

My experience:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3214798&page=1

P.s it's "advice" not advise..ha

 

[mkollman74]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

Your test target will be fired with 168 gr FGMM. At least you'll know how that shoots when you get your rifle. The OBR was designed with M118LR in mind, so that would also be worth looking at.

My personal load for my 18" OBR is 45.0 grains of Varget in LCLR brass shooting 175SMK and using FED210M primers. It shoots great. It's on the hotter side, but I have no pressure issues at all.

 

[chainring]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

You might want to double that 14 weeks, mentally, too. That way, it's a pleasant surprise if it comes in sooner..

 

[poison123]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mkollman74</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your test target will be fired with 168 gr FGMM. At least you'll know how that shoots when you get your rifle. The OBR was designed with M118LR in mind, so that would also be worth looking at.

My personal load for my 18" OBR is 45.0 grains of Varget in LCLR brass shooting 175SMK and using FED210M primers. It shoots great. It's on the hotter side, but I have no pressure issues at all. </div></div>

Does your OBR have the xtran "feature" on it? I've heard reloaders have been having issues with the ones that do.

 

[IronMaidenFan]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gladiator8us</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Anyone know of other sites i can reliably trust that will have reliable ammo? </div></div>

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/
http://www.natchezss.com/index.cfm

 

[DP425]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mkollman74</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your test target will be fired with 168 gr FGMM. At least you'll know how that shoots when you get your rifle. The OBR was designed with M118LR in mind, so that would also be worth looking at.

My personal load for my 18" OBR is 45.0 grains of Varget in LCLR brass shooting 175SMK and using FED210M primers. It shoots great. It's on the hotter side, but I have no pressure issues at all. </div></div>

Does your OBR have the xtran "feature" on it? I've heard reloaders have been having issues with the ones that do. </div></div>

xtran?

 

[poison123]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mkollman74</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your test target will be fired with 168 gr FGMM. At least you'll know how that shoots when you get your rifle. The OBR was designed with M118LR in mind, so that would also be worth looking at.

My personal load for my 18" OBR is 45.0 grains of Varget in LCLR brass shooting 175SMK and using FED210M primers. It shoots great. It's on the hotter side, but I have no pressure issues at all. </div></div>

Does your OBR have the xtran "feature" on it? I've heard reloaders have been having issues with the ones that do. </div></div>

As I understand Larue uses their patented "Xtran" feature on all the OBR chambers now. Basically its a fluting from what I've been told, and it screws up the brass for future reloads.

xtran? </div></div>

 

[DP425]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mkollman74</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your test target will be fired with 168 gr FGMM. At least you'll know how that shoots when you get your rifle. The OBR was designed with M118LR in mind, so that would also be worth looking at.

My personal load for my 18" OBR is 45.0 grains of Varget in LCLR brass shooting 175SMK and using FED210M primers. It shoots great. It's on the hotter side, but I have no pressure issues at all. </div></div>

Does your OBR have the xtran "feature" on it? I've heard reloaders have been having issues with the ones that do. </div></div>

As I understand Larue uses their patented "Xtran" feature on all the OBR chambers now. Basically its a fluting from what I've been told, and it screws up the brass for future reloads.

xtran? </div></div> </div></div>


Yeah I just saw that... way to bugger up a nice gun. And I wanted to get a 5.56 OBR to compliment my 7.62. Won't be doing that now... Not interested in dealing with all of the mess some of those dudes on barf.com have been dealing with- plus working the body more and getting less firings from it. First they let their mounts get surpassed (I'm moving on to ADM now)... and now they are dicking up their rifles. Great idea.

 

[hydro556]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

First I have heard of Xtran. If they screwed with their chambers to make things tougher for us reloaders, that is a terrible idea.

But the ADM mounts I have tried, in no way surpassed LT mounts.

 

[BCP]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

There's a guy on arfcom who posted up pics of his OBR chamber and it definitely has spiral fluting inside it. Something like that (especially when it interferes with brass resizing) would bug the living hell out of me.

OP, I hope yours doesn't have that problem.

As for ammunition I would buy bulk federal gold medal match if you can afford it. Palmettostatearmory (I think) had it in stock for less than a dollar a round. If you can't afford that then spend a couple hundred on a beginner reloading setup.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But the ADM mounts I have tried, in no way surpassed LT mounts. </div></div>

I've had GG&G, Larue, used Bobro and they all do the same thing. ADM do it for 30-40$ less so I use them although I liked the bobro clamp better.

 

[DP425]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First I have heard of Xtran. If they screwed with their chambers to make things tougher for us reloaders, that is a terrible idea.

But the ADM mounts I have tried, in no way surpassed LT mounts. </div></div>

It's actually spelled xtranx I think- I know poison spelled it wrong in his post; wasn't coming up with anything on my search at first- but it's on their website and right on barf.com as the guy above said. I doubt they did it to screw w reloaders, but in the thread I saw they made it pretty apparent they didn't care. They said it's still reload-able, just takes a little extra work. Yeah no thanks- I'm even talking about some guys saying they have to run their brass through the special dies.

On the mounts- to me, I like the adjustment of the ADM units a LOT better. Of course everyone will have different preferences but I personally think LT missed the mark a bit by having their design bring their wear points from the mouth to the bearing surface. This is a problem for polymer applications such as mounting optics to the M&P15-22... or if you want your rifle pristine (the later not really my concern). But all of this has been brought up before and all I'm offering is opinion on the mounts.

Real concern is screwing up the chamber on a gun they push based on accuracy which is very likely to have an owner wanting to hand load. This single issue is going to 100% stop me from buying a 5.56 OBR- that kind of makes me upset.

 

[Pusher591]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

Look into SouthWest Run & Gun ammo, loaded with 175 SMK's but in once fired brass. It will still shoot under MOA and it's cheaper then full on match stuff.

**Edit- I don't see there R&G on the website but their new FC stuff is very accurate and only $18.50 a box. I would stick with that at the least, I wouldn't run any of that 147 grain stuff unless it's a last resort. Why put 87 octane in a Corvette.

 

[K_4c]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

Cancel your order.... Look for a lightly used OBR prior to their new batch of xtranx run and reload. My OBR prints groups just as consistent as my GAP crusader.... (That is a bold and zesty comment). These OBR's really do shoot and I'm not a Larue groupy....just giving credit where credit is due.

My 2 cents...

 

[srtsam]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

Its mine understanding that Xtranx or whatever is merely proprietary coatings used to enhance the rifle. Why would they do something to detract from the overall rifle. I can't wait til mine arrives.

 

[poison123]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: srt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its mine understanding that Xtranx or whatever is merely proprietary coatings used to enhance the rifle. Why would they do something to detract from the overall rifle. I can't wait til mine arrives. </div></div>

SRT, more than a few people have verified Xtranx is a fluting of the chamber to better/reliable brass extraction. They've got the marked up brass to prove it......

 

[PRDRIVER]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: srt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its mine understanding that Xtranx or whatever is merely proprietary coatings used to enhance the rifle. Why would they do something to detract from the overall rifle. I can't wait til mine arrives. </div></div>

SRT, more than a few people have verified Xtranx is a fluting of the chamber to better/reliable brass extraction. They've got the marked up brass to prove it...... </div></div>

I was thinking I would go with an OBR, now I am looking closer at the LMT MWS.

 

[Blackrifle1]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

One thing I LOVE about ordering anything at LaRue- the "Dillo Dust" rocks!!!

 

[110len]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

If the brass issue is true for reloading, them I'm out as well. I'll wait for Noveske to start production again.

 

[DP425]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

I LOVE my OBR- It really is one of the nicest semi-auto .308's I've ever shot... but I would skip right over it now. Too many other viable options out there for the same price point to make dealing with the brass issue worth it.

 

[hydro556]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

I didnt know about this specific issue when I had my OBR, although I did have some odd issues reloading for it.

In any case, it was the single most accurate semi I ever recall firing. I have had others that were damn close. A Noveske RECCE 5.56, a LaRue Stealth 5.56, and a Noveske N6 7.62. They were all amazingly accurate, and changed my opinions about the potential accuracy of semi's, but the OBR literally seemed to run right with my APA 308 which is the most accurate weapon I have ever fired.

Not sure what is up with the chamber, and to make it in a manner that wasnt conducive to easy reloading would just be dumb, UNLESS it somehow contributed to the excellent accuracy.

 

[rowrd]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

When I first started reloading for my OBR, I was worried that I would be able to use the brass only once. Resizing the once fired brass required a scary amount of force on the press to get it through the die, and sometimes only three-quarters of the case would get worked.

Fixed the problem by using the right amount of Imperial Sizing Lube, and prepping the FL die with a light coating.

Over 2,500 reloaded rounds now and not one malf, misfire or FTF.

 

[Elvis]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

My 18" OBR is so-so with Black Hills, but it shoots ridiculously tiny groups with 168gr Hornady TAP.

 

[poison123]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rowrd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I first started reloading for my OBR, I was worried that I would be able to use the brass only once. Resizing the once fired brass required a scary amount of force on the press to get it through the die, and sometimes only three-quarters of the case would get worked.

Fixed the problem by using the right amount of Imperial Sizing Lube, and prepping the FL die with a light coating.

Over 2,500 reloaded rounds now and not one malf, misfire or FTF. </div></div>

Is yours a pre or post xtran?

 

[BCP]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

If your brass is extremely hard to resize I'd have measured it...2500 rounds safely fired so it can't be dangerous but it could be on the edge of being out of spec...

 

[dreiaugen]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

XTRAXN (like extraction, get it?)

Do a little homework before simply writing it off because a couple guys said that a couple other guys are having problems. If you read the thread on arfcom it's clear that there's not some universal problem. Read it yourself. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_219/217114_Cases_fired_out_of_and_OBR_sizing_really_hard.html

 

[rowrd]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rowrd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I first started reloading for my OBR, I was worried that I would be able to use the brass only once. Resizing the once fired brass required a scary amount of force on the press to get it through the die, and sometimes only three-quarters of the case would get worked.

Fixed the problem by using the right amount of Imperial Sizing Lube, and prepping the FL die with a light coating.

Over 2,500 reloaded rounds now and not one malf, misfire or FTF. </div></div>

Is yours a pre or post xtran? </div></div>

Mine has the Xtran feature...

Honestly, I was seriously bummed out when I first attempted to reload for this thing because it looked like it wasn't going to happen. Can't afford to shoot if I have to buy factory ammo all the time.

With a little bit of patience, it's a workable situation..you're just not going to be able to slam out ammo as if you're reloading handgun ammo.

 

[poison123]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dreiaugen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">XTRAXN (like extraction, get it?)

Do a little homework before simply writing it off because a couple guys said that a couple other guys are having problems. If you read the thread on arfcom it's clear that there's not some universal problem. Read it yourself. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_219/217114_Cases_fired_out_of_and_OBR_sizing_really_hard.html </div></div>

Whatever you say bud.

 

[rowrd]

Re: La Rue OBR 7.62 18"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If your brass is extremely hard to resize I'd have measured it...2500 rounds safely fired so it can't be dangerous but it could be on the edge of being out of spec... </div></div>

Brass is still in spec..no signs of head separation or loose primer pockets after six loadings with some of the lots I'm using. I think part of the trick is I'm resizing in two stages..first with a full length die, then a small base full length die. An extra step, but not too much of a big deal. A small price to pay for good brass life and problem free functioning.

BUT....the loads I'm using are on the lower accuracy nodes as far as velocity... 41.5 grs of VV140 or XBR 8208 with a 168 match bullet.