Lantac Straight Pull BCG accuracy advantage?

[Winny94]

For anyone who has seen Lantac's Straight Pull E-BCG, would this provide any accuracy advantage by eliminating 2 of the 3 recoil impulses inherent to semi autos? Obviously this eliminates the biggest advantage to a semi auto, but you can still take advantage of ergos, mag capacity, weight savings, modularity, etc.

 

[softcock]

I know on one of my AR's when I run with the gas turned off, it shoots friggin tight groups @ 100 yrd. .
( for me ) the whole upper hand to shooting AR is being semi-auto and stay consistent solid 1.5 MOA @ 100 . Otherwise I could never shoot another AR again and be happy . And there filthy carbon puking pigs with running a Can .

The spin,turning an AR to a bolt rifle . Something different to build and play with . 'Easy' home build and keeping all the advantages of endless AR aftermarket parts that are offered and sold . You can build AR15 feather light also . And also would stay clean like your bolt gun with running a suppressor . Run subsonic rounds quiet like a Boltaction, with no gas out the ejection port .
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[TonyTheTiger]

I've always loved straight pull bolt guns but it seems like this brings too much AR baggage with it. Namely the long lock time and the mag length restrictions.

 

[Winny94]

I've always loved straight pull bolt guns but it seems like this brings too much AR baggage with it. Namely the long lock time and the mag length restrictions.

I understand the longer lock time being a disadvantage, but what do you mean by mag length restriction? Im not saying this would be a sub for straight pull bolt gun, but in my head, it offers some positives from the bolt gun as well as the AR platform (with some disadvantages as well of course)

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Just that when I think of loading ammo for a bolt gun I picture myself going well beyond 2.26" OAL to really take advantage of all the bullet options. If it somehow used AICS mags I could overlook the lock time thing entirely.

 

[Geno C.]

I run a straight pull with now gas on a 300blk. I like that handle better than mine.

 

[Winny94]

Just that when I think of loading ammo for a bolt gun I picture myself going well beyond 2.26" OAL to really take advantage of all the bullet options. If it somehow used AICS mags I could overlook the lock time thing entirely.

Ah, I see where you're coming from. I thought you were referring to mag protrusion from the lower.

 

[bigjake83]

Fucking Retarded...

 

[Winny94]

Fucking Retarded...

Care to elaborate?

 

[hlee]

Care to elaborate?

We have all heard the refrain “don’t reinvent the wheel.” This is reinventing the wheel, but using squares instead of circles. My understanding is that this is what our British cousins get instead of true semi-automatic rifles. Except to circumvent some law, I see no benefit to this bolt carrier group.

 

[bigjake83]

Care to elaborate?

You want a Bolt Rifle then get one, don't make a bastard child and call it innovation. Semi's are just as/more accurate as bolt rifles now days especially the AR15's
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[Winny94]

You want a Bolt Rifle then get one, don't make a bastard child and call it innovation. Semi's are just as/more accurate as bolt rifles now days especially the AR15's
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Yes and no. There are definitely half moa gassers, but all else being equal, a semi will be less accurate due to additional recoil impulses, louder due to chamber gasses escaping, and dirty (if a DI). This addresses those issues while still being modular and low cost.

 

[Winny94]

We have all heard the refrain “don’t reinvent the wheel.” This is reinventing the wheel, but using squares instead of circles. My understanding is that this is what our British cousins get instead of true semi-automatic rifles. Except to circumvent some law, I see no benefit to this bolt carrier group.

Well if you would read the thread, you would see the benefits listed: better accuracy, quieter, cleaner all while still getting the modularity of an AR without dropping 1-2K on a new rifle.

 

[hlee]

The rifle is not less precise. The shooter is less capable of shooting it with precision. Like bigjake said, if you want a bolt gun, shoot a bolt gun. If you want to shoot an AR with precision, learn to shoot it with precision. Don’t handicap it’s greatest benefit.

If you want bolt gun precision with AR ergonomics there is a vast array of chassis into which you can drop your favorite flavor of bolt rifle. There is also the Ruger Precision rifle, which is a solid rifle on its own account, that can get you into the game for the price of some chassis. Remington just came out with their chassis based precision rifle. With an msrp of $1100 (?), I’d wager the street price would be $800-$900.

The rifle in the video below is substantially more innovative, while also being substantially older. It and the Lantac share the distinction of being poor ways to accomplish a goal. At least the rifle in the video showcases the addition of a feature...

https://youtu.be/IVNQQplAzu0

 

[hlee]

Well if you would read the thread, you would see the benefits listed: better accuracy, quieter, cleaner all while still getting the modularity of an AR without dropping 1-2K on a new rifle.

Perhaps you haven’t built an AR. Building a solid precision AR is at least a $1000 proposition.

If if you haven’t heard about the RPR you must be living under a rock...

 

[Winny94]

Perhaps you haven’t built an AR. Building a solid precision AR is at least a $1000 proposition.

If if you haven’t heard about the RPR you must be living under a rock...

Or perhaps I have several ARs that dont get shot enough, and a BCG and Upper swap is a fraction of the price of buying another rifle...

 

[hlee]

It’s your money. Jump on it and tell us how well it performs. We’re all just speculating until someone throws down some cash and puts bullets down range. For my money however, I’ll let my semi autos be semi autos and my bolt rifle be bolt rifles. Purpose built, they are all as accurate as I can ask. This is a solution in search of a problem. But, I’d love to own that semi auto 1903 Springfield...

 

[Winny94]

It’s your money. Jump on it and tell us how well it performs. We’re all just speculating until someone throws down some cash and puts bullets down range. For my money however, I’ll let my semi autos be semi autos and my bolt rifle be bolt rifles. Purpose built, they are all as accurate as I can ask. This is a solution in search of a problem. But, I’d love to own that semi auto 1903 Springfield...

Or maybe I'll just save my pennies, ignore the itch for a straight pull anything, and build something on ARCs new action because that thing is sweet haha

 

[hlee]

Ive had an itch for a straight pull bolt action rifle for a while now, but not on an AR body...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K31

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Ive had an itch for a straight pull bolt action rifle for a while now, but not on an AR body...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K31

Everyone needs a K31. Actually after all my buds shot mine they all bought one within two weeks. Those things are unbelievable.

 

[Ohitsyoubob]

The straight-BCG is really for those states that are severely restricting the AR. Nice to say “I’ll just build another AR”, when some of us cannot.

Not without leaving off even threaded barrels, let alone a permanent pinned and silver soldered recoil-reducer (no changing to next years new and improved version)(and getting a can…fo ged aboud it). Or an adjustable LOP buttstock. Or a removable front receiver pin (really not a big deal, but still…). And worst of all a pistol grip.

Instead we all got these goofy swim-fin looking things under the buttstock, which pretty much only work with standard AR grips, and I doubt will work with a skinny 5° vertical grip.

Also, since some of us already sank in $2000 to build up a couple precision ARs, which are, of course, stored with my 2nd cousin in another state. Throw on a $300-$350 straight pull BCG, and I can bring back those rifles.

The straight pull BCGs are not for you.

 

[bfoosh006]

Everyone needs a K31. Actually after all my buds shot mine they all bought one within two weeks. Those things are unbelievable.

This Everyone .... is one of the "Coulda, Shoulda" guys. I regret not buying a K31.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

This Everyone .... is one of the "Coulda, Shoulda" guys. I regret not buying a K31.

There's still time! Even at the $600-900 they go for these days they're still worth it.
I've made two new K31 converts this year and they don't regret their purchases at all with current prices.

 

[AngryKoala]

There's still time! Even at the $600-900 they go for these days they're still worth it.
I've made two new K31 converts this year and they don't regret their purchases at all with current prices.

The ammo can be tough to get sometimes.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

The ammo can be tough to get sometimes.

True. I stacked it pretty deep in the old days, and I've found some here and there in the last year. I am slowly preparing to handload for all my mil-surps, someday I will run out of food for them.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

This Everyone .... is one of the "Coulda, Shoulda" guys. I regret not buying a K31.

Swiss K31 Carbine, Matching Numbers, 7.5×55 Swiss very good to excellent – Royal Tiger Imports

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