Gunsmithing Large pin AIAX suddenly piercing primers

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Hey fellas,

I'm having a problem with a pre-14 AI AX that suddenly started piercing factory primers, and sped up about 100fps. It's chambered in .260, which from other posts I've seen on here seems to be a candidate for this kind of problem, but I haven't heard of anyone having it happen with factory stuff.

It happened at a local match today using 130gr Prime (RUAG) .260. I had previously shot a match with the same ammo lot, and it ran just fine, albeit slow (2780 avg). Using that same ammo lot, I started the day just fine, but about 25 rounds in, the barrel suddenly sped up about 100fps on me (chrono showed 2870-2880 after the match. SD was still consistent, hovering around 10).

This wouldn't really have been a problem as I was waiting for the jump to happen (started going faster at almost exactly 250 rounds), but the jump in velocity was coupled with 8-10 pierced primers, a bunch of deep craters, sharper recoil impulse, louder report, etc.

That all pointed to a pressure issue off the bat for me, but none of the above were accompanied by any pressure signs on the brass, heavy bolt lift, or ejector swipes. Cartridge feeding seemed fine, and extraction was ok as well.

I thought it might have been a carbon ring to cause that sudden of a pressure spike, but I would guess that would come with nastier pressure signs on the brass than what was evident, and I wouldn't think something like that would develop after such a small round count.

The whole thing has me pretty puzzled, and I was hoping someone else here might have had experience with the same issue. I can't buy a small pin bolt body as it's a pre-14 3-lug bolt. Would it be as simple of a fix as getting the bolt bushed?


Thanks in advance.
 
1. I wouldn’t be surprised if AIs were less prone to showing pressure signs. It’s probably worth soaking the chamber and throat in CLR and scrubbing the bejesus out of it.

2. Getting the bolt bushed by @LongRifles Inc. would almost certainly minimize pierced primers and I’m honestly not sure why anyone wouldn’t go to small pin.
 
Check your firing pin protrusion. There have been cases (purportedly), where the set screws have worked loose, and as a result, the firing pin travels further than intended, suddenly causing pierced primers where historically it wasn't a problem.
 
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Check your firing pin protrusion. There have been cases (purportedly), where the set screws have worked loose, and as a result, the firing pin travels further than intended, suddenly causing pierced primers where historically it wasn't a problem.

From the pin tolerances in the linked post above, I used the depth gauge on my bench calipers and measured the pin protrusion to be in spec (.053). Granted, that's not the most precise measuring tool for the job, but I don't think the protrusion is the problem.

I counted through the brass from yesterday, and I ended up with 6 pierced primers, and 10 craters. Got a nice fire check on the bolt face too.

I put pierced ones in the first picture, some craters in the second, and standard hits in the third.


prime1.jpgprime2.jpgprime3.jpgprime4.jpg
 
If you can't find any ammo, barrel, or chamber related issue for the pressure increase and primer piercing, I would be tempted to decrease the firing pin protrusion to 0.035-0.040 to test... but if the piercing keeps up you're just going to further damage the bolt face and firing pin with gas cutting.

If you send it to LRI to have it bushed, you'll never have to worry about it again. I had them bush one of my AE MkIII's that was lightly cratering, and they bushed my AXMC before I even fired it.
 
Check to see if you have developed a carbon ring.
It seems you may need to change your cleaning method.
How many rounds through barrel and how long before you clean the barrel.
Whats your cleaning method.
Clean the throat with an oversized brass brush and an aggressive carbon cleaner.
 
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If you can't find any ammo, barrel, or chamber related issue for the pressure increase and primer piercing, I would be tempted to decrease the firing pin protrusion to 0.035-0.040 to test... but if the piercing keeps up you're just going to further damage the bolt face and firing pin with gas cutting.

If you send it to LRI to have it bushed, you'll never have to worry about it again. I had them bush one of my AE MkIII's that was lightly cratering, and they bushed my AXMC before I even fired it.

I called Chad with Longrifles this afternoon about it, and dropped the bolt in the mail shortly after. Hoping their voodoo sprinkles will decrease the amount of misses I have to blame on getting dust in my eyes and the wind switching.

I also called Mile High yesterday, and they said this specific problem is relatively common with large pin .260's in particular. Apparently lots of guys experience the same symptoms I had around 250-300 rounds on a new barrel, and like a couple other guys said, I guess cleaning is the answer. Good thing I've got a couple weeks of downtime :LOL:
 
Just wanted to update post-surgery as I got the bolt back from LRI this afternoon. Awesome service and a quick turnaround. I was quoted 10-14 days, and from the time I sent it to the time I got it out of the mailbox was 9 days. I tried to get some light between the FP hole and the pin to no avail. there has to be less than .001" of clearance between the two. The machine work on the bolt face and the pin looks awesome. Check out the radius on the pin shoulder!
Thanks Chad!
I'll update again how the gun behaves after I get the time to shoot it.

AI face1.jpgAI face2.jpgAI pin.jpg
 
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How did it shoot?

Sorry for the insane wait on this. I actually got out and shot it a couple weeks ago, but completely spaced uploading a response post.

The gun shot fine, and retained the velocity I gained (2870-2880 on the magnetospeed) even after cleaning, so good signs there. I was a little over a tenth high on paper, but that was to be expected.

The brass/primers all looked fine, nice uniform deep strikes with no backflow. I was a little puzzled by the fact that not all of the strikes were centered up, but the gun shot fine, so..... ? Maybe someone can shed some light onto why that could be happening.

When I measured brass to the shoulder I gained about .0015 to .002" of headspace compared to the pre-surgery cases. Plenty manageable numbers there, so no issues.

The groups pictured below were all shot kneeling off a tripod, so cut me some slack on the non-ragged holes (ugly toe-thumb for scale ?)

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