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Re: Larue Suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rumors say its upwards of 3k...... </div></div>
$3k!!! That's f--ked up as a football bat!! Why would you spend $3k on a Larue suppressor when for roughly half the money, you can buy some of the best cans on the market today (unless you are just a major fanboy)?!?!
Any particular specs or features on this overpriced behemoth?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rumors say its upwards of 3k...... </div></div>
$3k!!! That's f--ked up as a football bat!! Why would you spend $3k on a Larue suppressor when for roughly half the money, you can buy some of the best cans on the market today (unless you are just a major fanboy)?!?!
Any particular specs or features on this overpriced behemoth?
Re: Larue Suppressor
There is NO WAY that is a LaPewp designed can ...... and I have proof.
There is no QD lever.
There is NO WAY that is a LaPewp designed can ...... and I have proof.
There is no QD lever.
Re: Larue Suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cmdecker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like they copied tube profile of AAC TiRants and Element. </div></div>
Which was a profile rip-off of the AWC's Jupitor's Eye and Nexus.
If the "reviewer" on the link is suggesting that is still sounds as loud as a .22, well their "freakin work of art!" has some more art working to do.
$3,000.00 suppressors...Those days are over and done.
Even AAC announced a price drop of their reeediculous $2,995.00 Ti .338 can.
Look the most expensive part of building these cans is welding that is why everybody is running monoblock.
I could rattle on and on on the limitations of monoblock (now on its 20th year).
Welding is the MOST EXPENISVE part of the build out. Most don't want a thing to do with machining Ti and less want to weld it.
AWC THOR is 100% 360 deep penetration weld and custom cut out of solid block of Ti and THAT .308 can is HALF the price.
and sounds far less than a .22.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cmdecker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like they copied tube profile of AAC TiRants and Element. </div></div>
Which was a profile rip-off of the AWC's Jupitor's Eye and Nexus.
If the "reviewer" on the link is suggesting that is still sounds as loud as a .22, well their "freakin work of art!" has some more art working to do.
$3,000.00 suppressors...Those days are over and done.
Even AAC announced a price drop of their reeediculous $2,995.00 Ti .338 can.
Look the most expensive part of building these cans is welding that is why everybody is running monoblock.
I could rattle on and on on the limitations of monoblock (now on its 20th year).
Welding is the MOST EXPENISVE part of the build out. Most don't want a thing to do with machining Ti and less want to weld it.
AWC THOR is 100% 360 deep penetration weld and custom cut out of solid block of Ti and THAT .308 can is HALF the price.
and sounds far less than a .22.
Re: Larue Suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">looks like a upscale dillo dust dispenser </div></div>
Baw, hahahah . . . it does
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">looks like a upscale dillo dust dispenser </div></div>
Baw, hahahah . . . it does
Re: Larue Suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rumors say its upwards of 3k...... </div></div>
$3k!!! That's f--ked up as a football bat!! Why would you spend $3k on a Larue suppressor when for roughly half the money, you can buy some of the best cans on the market today (unless you are just a major fanboy)?!?!
Any particular specs or features on this overpriced behemoth? </div></div>
I'm betting there are 1000 people in line for one over at Arfcom already. Larue could market a hammer for beating yourself if the balls and he would sell thousands.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rumors say its upwards of 3k...... </div></div>
$3k!!! That's f--ked up as a football bat!! Why would you spend $3k on a Larue suppressor when for roughly half the money, you can buy some of the best cans on the market today (unless you are just a major fanboy)?!?!
Any particular specs or features on this overpriced behemoth? </div></div>
I'm betting there are 1000 people in line for one over at Arfcom already. Larue could market a hammer for beating yourself if the balls and he would sell thousands.
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Well isn't that special!Just like some of their other junk their fanboys will eat them up NO matter what the cost. " Hell, it has to be the best Larue makes it" LMFAO!!!
Well isn't that special!Just like some of their other junk their fanboys will eat them up NO matter what the cost. " Hell, it has to be the best Larue makes it" LMFAO!!!
Re: Larue Suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gavin S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3 grand? Eff me. I'll look elsewhere for a .308 can. </div></div>
Now if magpul made it that would be a different story. Then I would pay $6,000 for it! Can you imagine how quiet a can would be if it had the magpul logo on it?
I like magpul for the record. They are just so easy to make fun of...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gavin S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3 grand? Eff me. I'll look elsewhere for a .308 can. </div></div>
Now if magpul made it that would be a different story. Then I would pay $6,000 for it! Can you imagine how quiet a can would be if it had the magpul logo on it?
I like magpul for the record. They are just so easy to make fun of...
Re: Larue Suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steve_Aryan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gavin S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3 grand? Eff me. I'll look elsewhere for a .308 can. </div></div>
Now if magpul made it that would be a different story. Then I would pay $6,000 for it! Can you imagine how quiet a can would be if it had the magpul logo on it?
I like magpul for the record. They are just so easy to make fun of... </div></div>
But MagPul announced at SHOT that they werent announcing anything new until it came out ..... how farked up is that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steve_Aryan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gavin S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3 grand? Eff me. I'll look elsewhere for a .308 can. </div></div>
Now if magpul made it that would be a different story. Then I would pay $6,000 for it! Can you imagine how quiet a can would be if it had the magpul logo on it?
I like magpul for the record. They are just so easy to make fun of... </div></div>
But MagPul announced at SHOT that they werent announcing anything new until it came out ..... how farked up is that.
Re: Larue Suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
$3k!!! That's f--ked up as a football bat!!</div></div>
I thought I was the only one that said lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
$3k!!! That's f--ked up as a football bat!!</div></div>
I thought I was the only one that said lol
Re: Larue Suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rumors say its upwards of 3k...... </div></div>
LMFAO.....hook, line and sinker
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rumors say its upwards of 3k...... </div></div>
LMFAO.....hook, line and sinker
Re: Larue Suppressor
3,000.00 for a can? Hell at least it comes with a can of Larue dildo dust! I think Mark has caught up with some of Mexico's flaky powder. 3k WTF!!!!
3,000.00 for a can? Hell at least it comes with a can of Larue dildo dust! I think Mark has caught up with some of Mexico's flaky powder. 3k WTF!!!!
Re: Larue Suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is NO WAY that is a LaPewp designed can ...... and I have proof.
There is no QD lever. </div></div>
now that made me giggle. but perhaps there is a QD lever on the back at the attachment point? Could be a revolutionary QD system for suppressors lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is NO WAY that is a LaPewp designed can ...... and I have proof.
There is no QD lever. </div></div>
now that made me giggle. but perhaps there is a QD lever on the back at the attachment point? Could be a revolutionary QD system for suppressors lol
Re: Larue Suppressor
I handled it at Shot. It's HUGE. I was not that impressed being they wouldn't tell us anything about it and it looks like they copied AAC's TiRant
I handled it at Shot. It's HUGE. I was not that impressed being they wouldn't tell us anything about it and it looks like they copied AAC's TiRant
Re: Larue Suppressor
He spoke to me about it.
I guessed around 18oz and being I was dead on guessing at AWc seemed about right.
It uses a tool to remove and has a unique 2 point step at the brake to keep the threads clean. Then you thread protect when you aren't using it. There is a dual thread cone shape to the brake underneath.
Otherwise I didn't look too hard at it.
He spoke to me about it.
I guessed around 18oz and being I was dead on guessing at AWc seemed about right.
It uses a tool to remove and has a unique 2 point step at the brake to keep the threads clean. Then you thread protect when you aren't using it. There is a dual thread cone shape to the brake underneath.
Otherwise I didn't look too hard at it.
Re: Larue Suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He spoke to me about it.
I guessed around 18oz and being I was dead on guessing at AWc seemed about right.
It uses a tool to remove and has a unique 2 point step at the brake to keep the threads clean. Then you thread protect when you aren't using it. There is a dual thread cone shape to the brake underneath.
Otherwise I didn't look too hard at it. </div></div>
I'm just a FNG, but I've read enough threads around here to be shocked to hear that you and Larue had a civil discourse. With some of the shit you guys were saying to each other back and forth, I would have bet on blows being thrown.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He spoke to me about it.
I guessed around 18oz and being I was dead on guessing at AWc seemed about right.
It uses a tool to remove and has a unique 2 point step at the brake to keep the threads clean. Then you thread protect when you aren't using it. There is a dual thread cone shape to the brake underneath.
Otherwise I didn't look too hard at it. </div></div>
I'm just a FNG, but I've read enough threads around here to be shocked to hear that you and Larue had a civil discourse. With some of the shit you guys were saying to each other back and forth, I would have bet on blows being thrown.
Re: Larue Suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cmdecker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like they copied tube profile of AAC TiRants and Element. </div></div>
Which was a profile rip-off of the AWC's Jupitor's Eye and Nexus.
</div></div>
Werbell did it on the Sionics M14 and M16 cans built for the Army in the 60's. I'm sure he probably wasn't the first, but he predates both of the other companies here.
The step is simply a method of obtaining higher strength at lighter weight in thread assembled suppressors- if the thread is .025" a side deep and the thread form creates stress risers, you add .030-.04" per side at the threads and successfully achieve greater strength at the threads without too much additional weight.
It is legal to use ideas that are not patented. It is legal to use even patented ideas after patents expire. If this was not the case, AAC, and AWC would not be able to manufacture silencers, because Hiram Maxim invented the product.
I once worked at a rather large lighting industry company in the engineering department, and the pace of technology was fueled by a constant comparison of their product against competing products. No doubt the competition was looking at our product line just as closely as the companies attempted constantly to one up each other. I feel the suppressor industry and every industry in manufacturing will share that characteristic. LaRue obviously was looking at ARMS mounts, and AAC was obviously looking at Sionics and AWC cans (among other brands).
<span style="text-decoration: underline">In fact the same parallel can be drawn of Werbell and Sionics.</span> The spiral diffusers were a poorly reconstructed resemblance of the William Delisle created, preceding counterpart found in the design of the DeLisle comando carbine that Werbell had operationally used in World War II. The Delisle diffusers were also faithfully replicated in the 1953 Patchett/Sterling L34A1.
The Sionics style diffuser had a monolithic internal featuring a center ported round bar with deep lathe turned helical grooves leaving thick helical fins, where the Delisle and L34A1 Sterling baffles were thin, stamped washers that were cut through on one side, bent two ways, and platter assembled using rods inserted through holes in the washers. Once assembled they resembled the helical fins of the Sionics internal. The British baffles were more effective with respect to allowing gas to flow and economy of gas volume, where the greater mass, small holes and cylinder bore of the sionics device didn't encourage the same performance.
The low performance of the Sionics design may have also had something to do with the fact that the other firearms featuring sprial diffusers fired subsonic projectiles and used the diffusers as a second stage in integral suppressor designs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cmdecker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like they copied tube profile of AAC TiRants and Element. </div></div>
Which was a profile rip-off of the AWC's Jupitor's Eye and Nexus.
</div></div>
Werbell did it on the Sionics M14 and M16 cans built for the Army in the 60's. I'm sure he probably wasn't the first, but he predates both of the other companies here.
The step is simply a method of obtaining higher strength at lighter weight in thread assembled suppressors- if the thread is .025" a side deep and the thread form creates stress risers, you add .030-.04" per side at the threads and successfully achieve greater strength at the threads without too much additional weight.
It is legal to use ideas that are not patented. It is legal to use even patented ideas after patents expire. If this was not the case, AAC, and AWC would not be able to manufacture silencers, because Hiram Maxim invented the product.
I once worked at a rather large lighting industry company in the engineering department, and the pace of technology was fueled by a constant comparison of their product against competing products. No doubt the competition was looking at our product line just as closely as the companies attempted constantly to one up each other. I feel the suppressor industry and every industry in manufacturing will share that characteristic. LaRue obviously was looking at ARMS mounts, and AAC was obviously looking at Sionics and AWC cans (among other brands).
<span style="text-decoration: underline">In fact the same parallel can be drawn of Werbell and Sionics.</span> The spiral diffusers were a poorly reconstructed resemblance of the William Delisle created, preceding counterpart found in the design of the DeLisle comando carbine that Werbell had operationally used in World War II. The Delisle diffusers were also faithfully replicated in the 1953 Patchett/Sterling L34A1.
The Sionics style diffuser had a monolithic internal featuring a center ported round bar with deep lathe turned helical grooves leaving thick helical fins, where the Delisle and L34A1 Sterling baffles were thin, stamped washers that were cut through on one side, bent two ways, and platter assembled using rods inserted through holes in the washers. Once assembled they resembled the helical fins of the Sionics internal. The British baffles were more effective with respect to allowing gas to flow and economy of gas volume, where the greater mass, small holes and cylinder bore of the sionics device didn't encourage the same performance.
The low performance of the Sionics design may have also had something to do with the fact that the other firearms featuring sprial diffusers fired subsonic projectiles and used the diffusers as a second stage in integral suppressor designs.
Re: Larue Suppressor
I didn't get a good impression of this can at all. I was told that it wasn't going into production. When I was talking to Mark Fingar, he was telling me that the "piece of the pie was only so big so it was not worth it getting into the suppressor market." WTF. And speaking to various suppressor manufacturers that saw the thread mount design, they all basically told me the same thing. How are they going to get both sets of threads to engage evenly?
I didn't get a good impression of this can at all. I was told that it wasn't going into production. When I was talking to Mark Fingar, he was telling me that the "piece of the pie was only so big so it was not worth it getting into the suppressor market." WTF. And speaking to various suppressor manufacturers that saw the thread mount design, they all basically told me the same thing. How are they going to get both sets of threads to engage evenly?
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