Les baer .308 vs Gap 10

[kritos666]

Re: Les baer .308 vs Gap 10

Here is my 27 cents...

I am as well looking for very accurate AR .5 MOA or better. I have looked at several manufactures (in no specific order): LaRue, POF, GAPrecision, Noveske, Les Baer.

I have noticed this is a GAP heavy site. To me the fact that the support the shooting community is a bonus. I called all of the above manufacturers with an extensive list of questions. All with the exception of Les Baer were helpful; some more than others. GAP was in fact very helpful and willing to tune my AR to my suppressor when it comes in.

Les Baer was boarder line rude, it could have been a bad day for the other person on the phone. The conversation was summed up as ".. it says 1/2 MOA guarantee on the website" The person on the other end seemed offended that I would even ask.

As a result I'm going GAP.

 

[ggmanning]

Re: Les baer .308 vs Gap 10

I have a good friend with a Baer .308....it is an accurate platform. I have a POF .308 and it is also an accurate platform. Neither will touch the personal service of GAP and from several other friends experience with Baer pistols they are not a customer service I would want to deal with if I had problems. Basically they don't make anything that could have a problem and you are an idiot for having a problem. My POF has been excellent and I would highly recommend the rifle and have never had an issue with the factory.....some have. Conversely, I have never seen an issue with GAP's customer service. Point is there are several very accurate, reliable .308 gassers to be had and my choice today would be completely based on the service after the sale provided by the maker if I were buying.

 

[green338 2.0]

Re: Les baer .308 vs Gap 10

Buy both and be done with it.

 

[gmphk]

Re: Les baer .308 vs Gap 10

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggmanning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a good friend with a Baer .308....it is an accurate platform. I have a POF .308 and it is also an accurate platform. Neither will touch the personal service of GAP and from several other friends experience with Baer pistols they are not a customer service I would want to deal with if I had problems. Basically they don't make anything that could have a problem and you are an idiot for having a problem. My POF has been excellent and I would highly recommend the rifle and have never had an issue with the factory.....some have. Conversely, I have never seen an issue with GAP's customer service. Point is there are several very accurate, reliable .308 gassers to be had and my choice today would be completely based on the service after the sale provided by the maker if I were buying. </div></div>

I am a lover of custom 1911s and Baers are supposed to be excellent guns. However, I have read about several issues on dedicated forums that trash Baer customer service. Maybe true, but what you read is not always the truth. I have a GAP10 and am extremely please with it. When I do my job it shoots under 1/2 inch with FGGM ammo in both 168 and 175. I am considering buying another one set up a little differently to run a can. I tend to stick with what I know to be true. GAP build a really nice rifle!

 

[5RWill]

Re: Les baer .308 vs Gap 10

I honestly have never heard or come across a negative comment about GAP, and there is a reason for that. It wouldn't even be up for discussion with me, GAP-10 all the way.

 

[jevan126]

Re: Les baer .308 vs Gap 10

Take a look at JP Enterprise too, awesome CS and damn fine Rifles.

 

[taseal]

Re: Les baer .308 vs Gap 10

I didn't know of this les baer AR10

what's the cost? It doesn't say on the website... or build time. (edit: found the monolithic version is $3800)

and I've also heard how Les Baer himself is even a rude individual. there is even a guy on youtube bitching about how rude he was at SHOT '12 LOL....

I'm still undecided. there are few companies I'm thinking of going with, and I just can't decide

 

[david_l]

Re: Les baer .308 vs Gap 10

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
and I've also heard how Les Baer himself is even a rude individual. there is even a guy on youtube bitching about how rude he was at SHOT '12 LOL....
</div></div>

you are thinking of Ed Brown

 

[taseal]

Re: Les baer .308 vs Gap 10

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: david_l</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
and I've also heard how Les Baer himself is even a rude individual. there is even a guy on youtube bitching about how rude he was at SHOT '12 LOL....
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you are thinking of Ed Brown </div></div>

Maybe? Could be the case

 

[darthceadus]

Re: Les baer .308 vs Gap 10

Here's my 2 cents about GAP's customer service. I have one of the first 10 built , serial # 0010 and its a freaking laser. There's nothing wrong with it I just wanted the longer hand guard to go with my 20" barrel. So I called Ken and they are getting the rifle length hand guard and installing it for $100 . That's customer service!

 

[ultrarunner7]

This is a GAP site, Les Baer will get no love here. From what I have seen, the Baer will outshoot any .308 simi auto made.

Ive done load workups in the GAP-10, JP LRP-07, LMT, Les Baer, and OBR. The JP and GAP-10 were the hammers with the OBR and LB coming in a close second. The difference Im talking about is:
GAP 10, JP = .10 to .25 MOA
OBR and LB = .30 to .50 MOA
LMT = .4 to .7 MOA
Workup was done with Magnetospeed, Lapua Brass, Varget and 168- 175 SMG, 178 Amax, and 185 grain Bergers.

At the end of the day, all are good rifles and you cant go wrong with any. Its a balance between desired accuracy, looks, shootability, and WAIT TIME! Good day mates.

 

[a1-equipment]

Gap builds great stuff and so does Baer. I have Baer mono with 24" barrel. This is my best group so far with factory 175grain. I think the gap has an advantage as a tactical match rifle and the Baer is more paper puncher/varmit type.
I have 11 Baer guns never had an issue with any. As far customer service I have alot of good talks with les. I do know guys he has been a dick too also.

 

[DT1]

Ive done load workups in the GAP-10, JP LRP-07, LMT, Les Baer, and OBR. The JP and GAP-10 were the hammers with the OBR and LB coming in a close second. The difference Im talking about is:
GAP 10, JP = .10 to .25 MOA
OBR and LB = .30 to .50 MOA
LMT = .4 to .7 MOA
Workup was done with Magnetospeed, Lapua Brass, Varget and 168- 175 SMG, 178 Amax, and 185 grain Bergers.

At the end of the day, all are good rifles and you cant go wrong with any. Its a balance between desired accuracy, looks, shootability, and WAIT TIME! Good day mates.

Nice write up! Reinforces that once you get off the bench or up from prone, its the Indian, not the arrow. All of these rifles will out perform 99.9% of the shooters. In addition to having the best accuracy in your testing, I'd spend my $ with GAP and JP simply because they support the shooting sports. The others are nowhere to be found.

 

[Bill Larson]

how does RRA stack up against L.B and gap........???

 

[ghorsley]

"The rifle will shoot sub .5MOA with 175 gr FGMM all day long if I do my part. The barrel, upper and lower and all major components except the trigger are made in house. Frankly it's a beautiful piece of work."

ARE YOU CERTAIN THAT LES BAER MAKES HIS OWN BARRELS? THAT WOULD BE A VERY EXPENSIVE PIECE OF MACHINERY IF HE DID.

 

[Diplomat]

I cancelled my purchase of the Les Baer after finding out that Les Baer himself went out of his way to put an inferior muzzle thread on his rifles to prevent the gun guy from putting a can on it if he wanted to. If you tried - the inferior threading would damage your gun! And that is a FACT!

I spoke to Les personally and he concurred & stated you would need to have an approved form 4 for a can before he would even put a standard thread on the rifle for you to install a can.

So surprise! for all you guys that have a Les Baer and want to put a can on it down the road - Your screwed by the Les man himself.

Other than that his quality and test targets seems to be above average but not the best attitude is not as professional at times - but I DO NOT like his muzzle thread surprise that I had to dig to find out about!!!

 

[DT1]

"The rifle will shoot sub .5MOA with 175 gr FGMM all day long if I do my part. The barrel, upper and lower and all major components except the trigger are made in house. Frankly it's a beautiful piece of work."

ARE YOU CERTAIN THAT LES BAER MAKES HIS OWN BARRELS? THAT WOULD BE A VERY EXPENSIVE PIECE OF MACHINERY IF HE DID.

I would be shocked to learn that Les Bear makes his own barrels. LaRue tried it and look what a disaster it turned out to be.

That's crazy about his attitude toward suppressors and thread pitches at the muzzle to prevent their use w/o form 4 documentation. He is also nowhere to be found in supporting the shooting sports like JP, GAP and others.

I guess some folks don't care about such things and will buy his rifles. IMHO, there are better products to be had from more supportive mfg's than LB

 

[Speeddog]

Wow, a resurrected long dead thread. I've known Les for more than 25 years and he hand built me some great IPSC race guns in the very early 90s. He does build his own barrels in house.

I have a .308 Monolith w 20" barrel and his brake. It shoots .5 MOA or better with 175 SMKs and with Scenars. Adam McCourt is in the process of making me some custom gas gun ammo as we speak. I'll see how that goes.

Doesn't take anything away from other builders.

Rock on

 

[Mike_Honcho]

"The rifle will shoot sub .5MOA with 175 gr FGMM all day long if I do my part. The barrel, upper and lower and all major components except the trigger are made in house. Frankly it's a beautiful piece of work."

ARE YOU CERTAIN THAT LES BAER MAKES HIS OWN BARRELS? THAT WOULD BE A VERY EXPENSIVE PIECE OF MACHINERY IF HE DID.

<-- multi time pistol customer of LB


Les (himself) will tell you that if it is in his shop, it is "his". Mis-leading is an understatement.

 

[Steelhead]

how does RRA stack up against L.B and gap........???

My RRA Varmint 26" is every bit as accurate as my GAP10. The GAP is more refined in it's build quality.

 

[Regalkismet]

take a look at jp enterprise too, awesome cs and damn fine rifles.

this

 

[bogeybrown]

Well, I was looking to ask a dumb GAP10 question since I bought one from a fellow Hider a few months ago and haven't been home to finger-fornicate it yet. Since someone was nice enough to resurrect this thread and there are a number of GAP10 owners present:

Does the GAP10 have a built-in cant to the top rail the way the OBR does?

I'm asking simply because the war is coming to an end 4 months earlier than planned and it's leaving me short on some last-minute optics money so I'm trying to figure out if I could swap an optic between my OBR and GAP 10 relatively easily, or if I'm going to have that 20moa difference in zero right off the bat.

As always, the wisdom of my Hide brothers is greatly appreciated.