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Rifle Scopes Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
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Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
I have both on various rifles...like everybody else said go with the TMR.
I have both on various rifles...like everybody else said go with the TMR.
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
It is really a matter of what you like and what you find easer to range with. Try a long range shooting simulation that lets you use both at different ranges. I like most prefer the TMR. A good program that I like is from www.shooterready.com
Hope that helps.
It is really a matter of what you like and what you find easer to range with. Try a long range shooting simulation that lets you use both at different ranges. I like most prefer the TMR. A good program that I like is from www.shooterready.com
Hope that helps.
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
Have both of them, TMR all the way. I dont think I will ever own another scope with a plain mil dot.
Have both of them, TMR all the way. I dont think I will ever own another scope with a plain mil dot.
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
The TMR is much more 'usable'... it's got hash marks with different size dimensions. it's got the unobstructed centre dot which helps at a good range.
all round it shits on the mildot imo. had mine for a couple years and im sad in ways to have sold it off.
The TMR is much more 'usable'... it's got hash marks with different size dimensions. it's got the unobstructed centre dot which helps at a good range.
all round it shits on the mildot imo. had mine for a couple years and im sad in ways to have sold it off.
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
In my opinion, the mildot is superior to a hashmark reticle like the TMR or the MLR in a couple of respects.
If you shoot using reticle for holdovers/holdunders, windholds, and moving target leads, the mildot is much easier to quickly acquire the correct hold, because it's much easier to tell the 1 mil dot marks from the half-mil hash marks.
That's especially true with FFP scopes in lowlight situations where the optimum magnification for light gathering is about 8X, or where you have an FFP reticle turned down to increase the field of view for moving targets.
The best tactical reticles I have found are the Premier Gen II reticle and the Klein reticle from Schmidt and Bender, which have 0.2 milliradian dots and hashmarks halfway between the dots.
In my opinion, the mildot is superior to a hashmark reticle like the TMR or the MLR in a couple of respects.
If you shoot using reticle for holdovers/holdunders, windholds, and moving target leads, the mildot is much easier to quickly acquire the correct hold, because it's much easier to tell the 1 mil dot marks from the half-mil hash marks.
That's especially true with FFP scopes in lowlight situations where the optimum magnification for light gathering is about 8X, or where you have an FFP reticle turned down to increase the field of view for moving targets.
The best tactical reticles I have found are the Premier Gen II reticle and the Klein reticle from Schmidt and Bender, which have 0.2 milliradian dots and hashmarks halfway between the dots.
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
I have several hashmark type recticles and several mildot types as well, I've never had any problems distinguishing between half or whole marks. But I can see how that could happen, that said, I will take the precision of more precise measuring and holdovers compared to the ease of the mildot.
I have several hashmark type recticles and several mildot types as well, I've never had any problems distinguishing between half or whole marks. But I can see how that could happen, that said, I will take the precision of more precise measuring and holdovers compared to the ease of the mildot.
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
Lindy has a good points but I love MIL LINE RETS. So for me TMR all the way.
Mike @ CST
Lindy has a good points but I love MIL LINE RETS. So for me TMR all the way.
Mike @ CST
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
Either is fine. Given my choice between the two, Id have to roll the plain jane mildot. I actually prefer line reticles and damn sure like the half mil hashes, but HATE the open center of the TMR. IMO, they took a very good reticle and totally fucked it up.
Either is fine. Given my choice between the two, Id have to roll the plain jane mildot. I actually prefer line reticles and damn sure like the half mil hashes, but HATE the open center of the TMR. IMO, they took a very good reticle and totally fucked it up.
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
When I ordered my 3.5-10x40, I went with the MilDot because of the lower power, and the reticle getting lost in low light conditions if it where a TMR. If I end up with a higher magnification Leupold ...a 6.5-20x50 is on my wish list, I'll order that with the TMR reticle.
When I ordered my 3.5-10x40, I went with the MilDot because of the lower power, and the reticle getting lost in low light conditions if it where a TMR. If I end up with a higher magnification Leupold ...a 6.5-20x50 is on my wish list, I'll order that with the TMR reticle.
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
You have not stated your shooting objective, so what you are going to get are people's opinions on the reticle they prefer for THEIR application.
I have owned both over the years, and like them both for different reasons.
If you are going illuminated reticle, the TMR won't get lost as easily in brush or shadows, if not going illuminated, you will find situations in the field where the reticle disappears. The dots are a little easier "for me" to see fast, and work in the bush, but I'm not you..
If you are just shooting at stationary paper and steel on a static square range and have good eyesight, you will most likely prefer the TMR.
Once you have determined the purpose of the rifle, you should look through both scopes to see for yourself.
Whatever you do, get the leupold with the M5 turret, they are the new style with 0.1 MIL turrets.
You're not alone in these things. I'm still debating if I made the right choice on the NF Mildot over MLR on the scope I just got...
You have not stated your shooting objective, so what you are going to get are people's opinions on the reticle they prefer for THEIR application.
I have owned both over the years, and like them both for different reasons.
If you are going illuminated reticle, the TMR won't get lost as easily in brush or shadows, if not going illuminated, you will find situations in the field where the reticle disappears. The dots are a little easier "for me" to see fast, and work in the bush, but I'm not you..
If you are just shooting at stationary paper and steel on a static square range and have good eyesight, you will most likely prefer the TMR.
Once you have determined the purpose of the rifle, you should look through both scopes to see for yourself.
Whatever you do, get the leupold with the M5 turret, they are the new style with 0.1 MIL turrets.
You're not alone in these things. I'm still debating if I made the right choice on the NF Mildot over MLR on the scope I just got...
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Storm Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you are going illuminated reticle, the TMR won't get lost as easily in brush or shadows, if not going illuminated, you will find situations in the field where the reticle disappears. The dots are a little easier "for me" to see fast, and work in the bush, but I'm not you..
If you are just shooting at stationary paper and steel on a static square range and have good eyesight, you will most likely prefer the TMR.
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+1. Imho it's the only combination when the TMR is clearly the best solution. In other cases, it could go either way depending upon the use:in low light/ dark background, it is easier to lose the TMR. But, when you can see well, TMR makes a lot of sense.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Storm Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Whatever you do, get the leupold with the M5 turret, they are the new style with 0.1 MIL turrets.
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+1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Storm Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you are going illuminated reticle, the TMR won't get lost as easily in brush or shadows, if not going illuminated, you will find situations in the field where the reticle disappears. The dots are a little easier "for me" to see fast, and work in the bush, but I'm not you..
If you are just shooting at stationary paper and steel on a static square range and have good eyesight, you will most likely prefer the TMR.
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+1. Imho it's the only combination when the TMR is clearly the best solution. In other cases, it could go either way depending upon the use:in low light/ dark background, it is easier to lose the TMR. But, when you can see well, TMR makes a lot of sense.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Storm Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Whatever you do, get the leupold with the M5 turret, they are the new style with 0.1 MIL turrets.
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+1
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
not really off topic...just wodnering about the <span style="font-weight: bold">Falcon Menace 5.5-25x50 with the ML16 (split Mil w/ .5 lines) reticle Mil/mil scope...</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Are the scopes and these reticles any good? I am looking to get a mil/mil scope and really like the line~split line mil reticles</span>
I'm looking for a scope for my 308 f-t/r rifle 600&1K shooting
thanks
not really off topic...just wodnering about the <span style="font-weight: bold">Falcon Menace 5.5-25x50 with the ML16 (split Mil w/ .5 lines) reticle Mil/mil scope...</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Are the scopes and these reticles any good? I am looking to get a mil/mil scope and really like the line~split line mil reticles</span>
I'm looking for a scope for my 308 f-t/r rifle 600&1K shooting
thanks
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
In hunting situations, at what distances will a non-illuminated TMR reticle get lost in dark/low light conditions? Are we talking a few hundred yards, or out past 500?
Will the available light be pushing the glass to the limits, or will the glass still be 'bright' enough to make out your target, yet be difficult to accurately range using the TMR?
Given the same situation, what about doping for wind and calling a missed shot?
For all intents and purposes, would a non-illuminated TMR be fine for big game/varmint hunting (except coyote at night) when you likely won't have darker conditions except for the first and last half hour?
In hunting situations, at what distances will a non-illuminated TMR reticle get lost in dark/low light conditions? Are we talking a few hundred yards, or out past 500?
Will the available light be pushing the glass to the limits, or will the glass still be 'bright' enough to make out your target, yet be difficult to accurately range using the TMR?
Given the same situation, what about doping for wind and calling a missed shot?
For all intents and purposes, would a non-illuminated TMR be fine for big game/varmint hunting (except coyote at night) when you likely won't have darker conditions except for the first and last half hour?
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
It's not long distances out in the open that are the problem, it's closer ranges where there's more cover that you tend to lose the reticle. A non-illuminated TMR won't be the best in thick timber/brush/woods at the end of shooting light. With illumination it would be fine but Leupold doesn't illuminate their FFP scopes.
I used a PST and a Weaver Tactical a fair amount this year which both have reticles slightly thicker than the TMR. Both were great out in the open until after legal light but both left much to be desired in the woods with out illumination.
Of course once you switch on the illumination in the PST your worries are over:
So my advice, is get a PST.
Wait, what was the question.....?
It's not long distances out in the open that are the problem, it's closer ranges where there's more cover that you tend to lose the reticle. A non-illuminated TMR won't be the best in thick timber/brush/woods at the end of shooting light. With illumination it would be fine but Leupold doesn't illuminate their FFP scopes.
I used a PST and a Weaver Tactical a fair amount this year which both have reticles slightly thicker than the TMR. Both were great out in the open until after legal light but both left much to be desired in the woods with out illumination.
Of course once you switch on the illumination in the PST your worries are over:
So my advice, is get a PST.
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
Do yourself a favor and get a better scope all together. For a few hundred more than a SFP illuminated TMR without matching knobs, you could get a Vortex Razor with the EBR 2 reticle FFP and matching knobs. If you are dead set on leupold then get the TMR
Do yourself a favor and get a better scope all together. For a few hundred more than a SFP illuminated TMR without matching knobs, you could get a Vortex Razor with the EBR 2 reticle FFP and matching knobs. If you are dead set on leupold then get the TMR
Re: Leupold TMR or Mil-Dot
+1 for TMR ... much more precise for wind holds, holdovers, measuring and "milling" targets, etc. Pretty much everything you would need/want/expect to do with a scope reticle.
I have both TMR and mildot and I much prefer my TMR.
+1 for TMR ... much more precise for wind holds, holdovers, measuring and "milling" targets, etc. Pretty much everything you would need/want/expect to do with a scope reticle.
I have both TMR and mildot and I much prefer my TMR.
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One of the reasons I sold my last MK4 was because I wanted to change it from a MD to a TMR. When I looked at the cost, I figured I would be a head to sell the scope and just buy a new one with the TMR reticle.
I think the TMR works out better for more "methodical" shooting.I think the MD is better for snap shooting, so it really just depends on what kind of shooting you are going to do. Overall, I like the TMR better.
One of the reasons I sold my last MK4 was because I wanted to change it from a MD to a TMR. When I looked at the cost, I figured I would be a head to sell the scope and just buy a new one with the TMR reticle.
I think the TMR works out better for more "methodical" shooting.I think the MD is better for snap shooting, so it really just depends on what kind of shooting you are going to do. Overall, I like the TMR better.
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