Lexis Nexis

[IronSkillet]

Interesting, I was unaware. How many years would I have go back to have a Toyota without these capabilities?

Your Connected Car Could Reveal Risky Driving Behavior to Insurance Companies: Report

A New York Times piece calls out automakers' data collection practices, as some are accused of sharing driver information with insurance companies, with insurers then hiking premiums on unsuspecting consumers.

tflcar.com

 

[Arc Light]

When I bought my Camaro last year I told the salesman not to activate Onstar as it has nothing to offer that I want. I learned about GM sharing your driving data with Lexis Nexis on one of the Camaro forums, but it's only supposed to apply to people that "opt in". Problem is, GM has been opting people in without their permission. I contacted Lexis Nexis and told them I want to opt out of any consumer data sharing with 3rd parties. Anyone can do that online at their website. For good measure I plan to remove the Onstar module under the dash as I don’t have any use for that garbage.

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

FFS. I’ve bought two GMC vehicles in the last 8 months. The first thing the fucking salesman did was activate on star.

That shit is getting cancelled immediately.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

While I won't deny that there still is some body left on the rust of my '99 F150 4x4, I'm beginning to think that my truck is looking better and better all the time.

 

[kenny1773]

I am 110% positive my 20 year old Camry is not connected to fucking anything. It has a cassette tape player in it, and nothing labelled smart on it anywhere.

There are instructions for many cars and many brands around the internet that show how to disconnect the cellular data link. If I ever buy a new car, that is the first thing I am going to do, physically disable that crap.

Fuck car salesman and dealerships, I want whatever it is that can transmit data out of my car physically REMOVED. That way some assfucker doesn't enable it later when you go in for warranty work on something completely unrelated.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

I specifically bought my 2012 “Walmart Warrior” Accord for stealth. Connected to nothing. So mundane as to be invisible. Not a sticker on it. Not stripe. No dark tint. No distinguishing features whatsoever.

And 40ish MPG.

Plus every mile I put on it is a mile not going on a spendy Ram 3500.

First Jap car I’ve ever owned and it has as much soul as a footstool. But it’s cheap, reliable, untraceable and perfect “gray man” transportation. Which has value all its own these days.

Oh and always carry a Faraday bag. To make your phone and ez pass disappear if you need to. They can track you off those just as easily!

Sirhr

 

[Arc Light]

FFS. I’ve bought two GMC vehicles in the last 8 months. The first thing the fucking salesman did was activate on star.

That shit is getting cancelled immediately.

Make absolutely sure you are not "opted in" to Smart Driver. Supposedly you can check your status on the GM app.

 

[AMGtuned]

Pretty sure GM has been tracking people the longest. And that it's been reported somewhere.

All the on-star/connected/sat update type vehicle systems are doing it. Period. Cell phones the longest of all.

Forcing the addition of GPRS modules in every device, was not to help missing people. They've proven that with how difficult it is to get data from these cell providers.

Used to run a lot of 90's jap cars; was in to the tuning scene. I miss them more and more every day.

(Current owner of a '23 powerboost, and '18 Denali )

 

[Arc Light]

The only reason I bought the Camaro is because it's the last year they are making them and I I've wanted one for years. GM has gone all in on the EV bullshit that no one wants and they can't sell. Otherwise I'm perfectly content to drive my 15 year old Tundra and 10 year old Jeep with none of the "safety" and "connected" bs that I couldn't care less about.

 

[Nik H]

Pretty sure GM has been tracking people the longest. And that it's been reported somewhere.

All the on-star/connected/sat update type vehicle systems are doing it. Period. Cell phones the longest of all.

Forcing the addition of GPRS modules in every device, was not to help missing people. They've proven that with how difficult it is to get data from these cell providers.

Used to run a lot of 90's jap cars; was in to the tuning scene. I miss them more and more every day.

(Current owner of a '23 powerboost, and '18 Denali )

What does GPRS have to do with location tracking?

 

[n2ishun]

Y'all don't know....

The vehicle does not have to even have the ability for "on star" or whatever internet service.
If you get in a wreck the insurance company *can* plug into ANY OBDII system and access what angle the throttle was at, whether there was weight (your ass) in the drivers and passenger seat, if the brake was pressed, what angle the steering wheel was at, the wheel speed of each wheel.....and so on and so on.

That shit is held in the RAM of the onboard computer.
No, disconnecting the battery does not erase it.
No, clearing the codes does not erase it.
Only the next drive erases it, it is stored at the end of each "session".
They will lie to you and say it is needed in order to retain idle speeds and shift points (etc).....pure lies.

Why on earth do you think the insurance companies lobbied for OBDII in the first place ?
Oh yea, it IS just like that.
Dig into it a little deeper, it's been going on since *about* 1996-97 to my knowledge.
Funny the shit you learn working at dealerships as a mechanic.

 

[kenny1773]

Y'all don't know....

Its been in the news multiple times. I know my toyota has the infamous Toyota black box (event recorder) in it

Toyota Woes Put Focus on Black Box

Click here to read some of the national media recognition our firm has earned.

www.robertslawfirm.com

what isn't clear is that Toyota can actually recover data from my 20 year old model. I am sure the newer models they can.

This mostly came to light when it was all over the news that Toyotas were accelerating on their own a long long time ago

This still sucks, but is different from being tracked and logged in real time via some cell connection


EDR list of vehicles

https://www.collision-recon.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/EDR-Supported-Vehicles-List.pdf

 

[JoshPutman]

That's one reason I want another one of these. With a manual transmission.

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

Y'all don't know....

The vehicle does not have to even have the ability for "on star" or whatever internet service.
If you get in a wreck the insurance company *can* plug into ANY OBDII system and access what angle the throttle was at, whether there was weight (your ass) in the drivers and passenger seat, if the brake was pressed, what angle the steering wheel was at, the wheel speed of each wheel.....and so on and so on.

That shit is held in the RAM of the onboard computer.
No, disconnecting the battery does not erase it.
No, clearing the codes does not erase it.
Only the next drive erases it, it is stored at the end of each "session".
They will lie to you and say it is needed in order to retain idle speeds and shift points (etc).....pure lies.

Why on earth do you think the insurance companies lobbied for OBDII in the first place ?
Oh yea, it IS just like that.
Dig into it a little deeper, it's been going on since *about* 1996-97 to my knowledge.
Funny the shit you learn working at dealerships as a mechanic.

If you get in a wreck……..

The article is referencing your data being sent to a Lexis Nexus database without your permission or knowledge.

Two different topics.

 

[fpgt72]

That is only the iceberg.

 

[AMGtuned]

That's one reason I want another one of these. With a manual transmission.

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Hope you got deep pockets nice ride though! If I ever bought another GM, it would be a 68-72 shortbed 2wd

 

[IronSkillet]

Its been in the news multiple times. I know my toyota has the infamous Toyota black box (event recorder) in it

Toyota Woes Put Focus on Black Box

Click here to read some of the national media recognition our firm has earned.

www.robertslawfirm.com

what isn't clear is that Toyota can actually recover data from my 20 year old model. I am sure the newer models they can.

View attachment 8370692

This mostly came to light when it was all over the news that Toyotas were accelerating on their own a long long time ago

This still sucks, but is different from being tracked and logged in real time via some cell connection


EDR list of vehicles

https://www.collision-recon.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/EDR-Supported-Vehicles-List.pdf

Thanks for that EDR list. May have been shorter to create list of vehicles without this technology. My first thought driving a GMC to attempt and defeat this was to just disconnect my cellphone from the vehicle reading information last night leads me to believe OnStar is still collecting and transmitting my driving statistics. It’s been a year with this Canyon and I still haven’t warmed up to it starting to search for a 10 year old Toyota/Lexus SUV to trade GMC in.

 

[Pritch]

Xr6 from 2004 hasnt got any of this hocus pokus shit

60 series landcruiser from 86 sure dont have anything worse than an edic

Fuck anything new at this point if i want a car its almost gotta be carburated at this point

 

[Charmingmander]

I've heard of people that won't even touch a car with ODBII.

I guess that's one nice thing about motorcycles.

 

[Nik H]

I've heard of people that won't even touch a car with ODBII.

I guess that's one nice thing about motorcycles.

Most modern motorcycles don't have an OBDII connector but if they use a CANBUS, they have proprietary connectors. There are many converters available for many of the manufacturers that support the protocol to allow you to retrieve the same information. In 2020, the EU adopted the Euro5 standard and now include an OBDII connector for motorcycle diagnostics.

 

[n2ishun]

If you get in a wreck……..

The article is referencing your data being sent to a Lexis Nexus database without your permission or knowledge.

Two different topics.

Same exact subject.

The OP posted as if it is/was something new.
My post was to assure that is certainly is not new and has been going on for longer than most know about.

You know, like your cellphone spying on you ?
Oh, you have a smart TV.....how nice.
That Alexa device on the kitchen counter ????

It's all the same, the ability of a company to know what you are doing against your wishes......or without you even knowing.

 

[Charmingmander]

Most modern motorcycles don't have an OBDII connector but if they use a CANBUS, they have proprietary connectors. There are many converters available for many of the manufacturers that support the protocol to allow you to retrieve the same information. In 2020, the EU adopted the Euro5 standard and now include an OBDII connector for motorcycle diagnostics.

Aye. The newest bikes with the most tech have a CANBUS. Most bikes though don't have the same kind of data gathering telemetry that modern automobiles have though. It's coming for sure.

 

[Nik H]

Aye. The newest bikes with the most tech have a CANBUS. Most bikes though don't have the same kind of data gathering telemetry that modern automobiles have though. It's coming for sure.

Agree.

CANBUS adoption was the enabler as it was for automobiles

 

[M4orturnate]

Y'all don't know....

The vehicle does not have to even have the ability for "on star" or whatever internet service.
If you get in a wreck the insurance company *can* plug into ANY OBDII system and access what angle the throttle was at, whether there was weight (your ass) in the drivers and passenger seat, if the brake was pressed, what angle the steering wheel was at, the wheel speed of each wheel.....and so on and so on.

That shit is held in the RAM of the onboard computer.
No, disconnecting the battery does not erase it.
No, clearing the codes does not erase it.
Only the next drive erases it, it is stored at the end of each "session".
They will lie to you and say it is needed in order to retain idle speeds and shift points (etc).....pure lies.

Why on earth do you think the insurance companies lobbied for OBDII in the first place ?
Oh yea, it IS just like that.
Dig into it a little deeper, it's been going on since *about* 1996-97 to my knowledge.
Funny the shit you learn working at dealerships as a mechanic.

I work for a collision shop and the first thing we do when a car comes in is scan it. We don't share anything other than fault codes with the insurance company. We are the second biggest chain in the world so if we don't share that info I doubt anyone is.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Man if people are pissed about this... Wait till they find out any car made in the last 25 years or so can be remotely hacked into and controlled.

CIA and other actors have been using this as "suicide" for many years now. Just disable the brakes, open the throttle, lock doors and you get a nice smear into a concrete wall or fireball.

 

[Sirshredalot]

The only reason I bought the Camaro is because it's the last year they are making them and I I've wanted one for years. GM has gone all in on the EV bullshit that no one wants and they can't sell. Otherwise I'm perfectly content to drive my 15 year old Tundra and 10 year old Jeep with none of the "safety" and "connected" bs that I couldn't care less about.

You might be surprised... my 2001 has on star capabilities.... most vehicle have it, its just not advertised.

Has been for longer than you realize.

Shred

 

[Nik H]

OnStar was formed in 1996 with a tri-party collaboration (GM, DirecTV, and EDS).

The first OnStar system was delivered on select vehicles in model year 1997.

 

[Bantam1]

OBD2 was about emissions and to standardize the codes and data for all manufacturers. Ford and GM were the primary brands they used because of the data provided by each. Things like Fuel Trim and the codes. It's essentially a hybrid of the two systems with a standardized code list.

They were not remote accessible. You had to be plugged in. Toyota was using a crash black box type computer for the airbag system that was separate from the PCM. I think that went away and everything was in the PCM. I don't remember what year that took place, or if they are still using a black box type computer. Either way the code will trigger when the airbag deploys and the data is stored as someone else mentioned.

I supposed newer vehicles with internet capability and satellite antennae may somehow be linked to the PCM. It should be easy to locate where it ties in and disconnect it without any issues.

Brakes are still mechanically operated but with an ABS system. If the vehicle doesn't have a drive by wire type throttle then the most they can get is wide open IAC which will not do much.

 

[IronSkillet]

OnStar was formed in 1996 with a tri-party collaboration (GM, DirecTV, and EDS).

The first OnStar system was delivered on select vehicles in model year 1997.

1994/95 we participated with testing this technology for Calspan who was one of the developers. They outfitted a bunch of vehicles hoping for mishaps to test OnStar. Fortunately we only participated with simulations.

 

[kindabitey]

Whoever is assigned to track my '23 Yukon is a bored mofo for sure

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Like most things the data gets warehouse for later analysis/review. Same reason NSA is building giant data centers all over the country.

They don't have the capability to process and analyze but they will record every piece of data they can to run through future tools/AI. Once you become "worth" it, they will run you through the tools for their evil purposes.

Its quiet possible they can tell from your data when you are going to die, with a reasonable confidence based on the immense amount of data that is collected and compiled and through advanced modeling. All these idiots sending away for DNA testing and wearing smart devices that track your health and just making their jobs easier. You think that data just disappears when you don't need it anymore? LOL

Its a privacy issue. An all omniscient AI controlled by a tyrannical government/capitalistic oligarchy will know everything you have done, where, how, when, what you have said to the point they can map personality to predict what you will do.

The point is, its not really a joking matter. Its the death of liberty and freedom. And cocksuckers are walking right into it.

Want to really blow your mind? Go back and Read Ted Kaczynskii (the unibombers) manefesto. He tried to warn us about this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm

 

[mosin46]

Its been in the news multiple times. I know my toyota has the infamous Toyota black box (event recorder) in it

Toyota Woes Put Focus on Black Box

Click here to read some of the national media recognition our firm has earned.

www.robertslawfirm.com

what isn't clear is that Toyota can actually recover data from my 20 year old model. I am sure the newer models they can.

View attachment 8370692

This mostly came to light when it was all over the news that Toyotas were accelerating on their own a long long time ago

This still sucks, but is different from being tracked and logged in real time via some cell connection


EDR list of vehicles

https://www.collision-recon.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/EDR-Supported-Vehicles-List.pdf

tx. looks like my '05 pilot is safe

 

[n2ishun]

OBD2 was about emissions and to standardize the codes and data for all manufacturers. Ford and GM were the primary brands they used because of the data provided by each. Things like Fuel Trim and the codes. It's essentially a hybrid of the two systems with a standardized code list.

They were not remote accessible. You had to be plugged in. Toyota was using a crash black box type computer for the airbag system that was separate from the PCM. I think that went away and everything was in the PCM. I don't remember what year that took place, or if they are still using a black box type computer. Either way the code will trigger when the airbag deploys and the data is stored as someone else mentioned.

I supposed newer vehicles with internet capability and satellite antennae may somehow be linked to the PCM. It should be easy to locate where it ties in and disconnect it without any issues.

Brakes are still mechanically operated but with an ABS system. If the vehicle doesn't have a drive by wire type throttle then the most they can get is wide open IAC which will not do much.

Google up the service number for OnStar and tell them you need your vehicle unlocked because you locked your keys in it.
They'll ask a few particulars like VIN #, your name, address, etc, and they can then remotely unlock your vehicle via internet.

Most vehicles made after 2000 have electronic fly by wire throttles.
Many newer ones have fly by wire brakes.....and some <gasp!> steering (yea, no shit huh?).
Brand new vehicles have the ability for the cops to shut them off remotely.....while you are at speed, going down the highway.....I don't see any lawsuits about it yet, but there will be, guaranteed.

 

[Bantam1]

I understand how OnStar works and what it can access. Hence my comment about disabling the connection from the antennae. It still needs a signal to function.

Electronic power steering has been around for a while in some vehicles. Not super common but it has been used here and there. I think mostly in the AWD vehicles, but I have been out of the game for a long time and just don't remember which vehicles had them.

 

[babyguppy]

I am 110% positive my 20 year old Camry is not connected to fucking anything. It has a cassette tape player in it, and nothing labelled smart on it anywhere.

There are instructions for many cars and many brands around the internet that show how to disconnect the cellular data link. If I ever buy a new car, that is the first thing I am going to do, physically disable that crap.

Fuck car salesman and dealerships, I want whatever it is that can transmit data out of my car physically REMOVED. That way some assfucker doesn't enable it later when you go in for warranty work on something completely unrelated.

And a clock you can reset the time in 15 seconds

 

[kenny1773]

not from my exact car, but pic off the internets, put your booger finger on the M to advance minutes and on the H to advance hours

to be fair, I do not find the controls in more modern cars difficult to use to set the time, this is just quick and easy, hard buttons right in your face.

I fucking hate touch screens

 

[ggmanning]

My 03 Tacoma doesnt have electric windows....

 

[Bullfrog08]

Wait until you find out your phone listens to your conversations, tracks all your movements, purchases, pictures, videos, etc, etc. People and .gov have been tracking our history for well over 20 years now. Yet, we still can't figure out who Epstein was trafficking kids too.

Freedom and liberty......that is a joke!

 

[Arc Light]

Good thing for me, I don't give two fucks about a cell phone or having it on me 24/7 like it's an appendage. I could smash it with a hammer tomorrow and never get another and I would survive just fine. There is no cell phone coverage in the majority of the areas I drive or visit, and if there was, I could simply leave it at home. One of the benefits of having lived through an era when no one expected to be "connected" 24/7.

 

[buffalowinter]

2019 Newest 16 Antennas Handheld GPS Signal Jammer Cellular GSM 3G 4G 5GLTE WIFI Jammer/Blocker (EU &AU Version)​

Item No.: JAM-N16-5G-EU

The latest unique design portable wireless signal Jammer with 16 antnnas to block all mobile phone 2G, 3G, 4G 5GLTE, Jamming LOJACK GPS, Wi-Fi 5G UHF/VHF signals too, Built-in big battery working 2+hours, Capacity and Woking Current &Volts LCD display.

 

[IronSkillet]

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2019 Newest 16 Antennas Handheld GPS Signal Jammer Cellular GSM 3G 4G 5GLTE WIFI Jammer/Blocker (EU &AU Version)​

Item No.: JAM-N16-5G-EU

The latest unique design portable wireless signal Jammer with 16 antnnas to block all mobile phone 2G, 3G, 4G 5GLTE, Jamming LOJACK GPS, Wi-Fi 5G UHF/VHF signals too, Built-in big battery working 2+hours, Capacity and Woking Current &Volts LCD display.

Checked Amazon but they are not selling anything like the model you have described, lol.

 

[buffalowinter]

Checked Amazon but they are not selling anything like the model you have described, lol.

That's probably because they were asked not to by..... They are legal, do a google image search. They were initially very popular because they jam the devices searching for rfid signals from credit card and key fobs preventing thieves from cloning. Then someone realized they were useful for jamming other things too.

 

[mosin46]

anybody know if a 2005 honda is subject to all this monitoring shiy?

 

[WaltHer]

Trained with Combat Studies Group last year
K asserted that vehicle TPMS (tire pressure sensors) can be monitored to reveal the vehicle's position and travels.

tire pressure monitoring system in GPS tracking | TPMS in tracking | TPMS tracker

online tire pressure monitoring in gps tracking is a better fleet management with functions of tires pressure monitoring, anti tires theft, tire pressure alarms. this TPMS function alerts the driver before tires issues and help fleet management optimize the tires management.

www.totemtek.com

"Online Tire Pressure Monitoring in GPS Tracking
TPMS tracking is a different tire pressure monitoring system integrated into gps tracking solution, which offers new tires management for fleet managers and company bosses and end users. We focus on the technology about the tires with plenty of data displaying on APP and website."

 

[6.5SH]

Trained with Combat Studies Group last year
K asserted that vehicle TPMS (tire pressure sensors) can be monitored to reveal the vehicle's position and travels.

tire pressure monitoring system in GPS tracking | TPMS in tracking | TPMS tracker

online tire pressure monitoring in gps tracking is a better fleet management with functions of tires pressure monitoring, anti tires theft, tire pressure alarms. this TPMS function alerts the driver before tires issues and help fleet management optimize the tires management.

www.totemtek.com

"Online Tire Pressure Monitoring in GPS Tracking
TPMS tracking is a different tire pressure monitoring system integrated into gps tracking solution, which offers new tires management for fleet managers and company bosses and end users. We focus on the technology about the tires with plenty of data displaying on APP and website."

Makes sense if it can be viewed on a phone app and not just on the dashboard.