LMT .308 MWS

[Dirtracer151]

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Got my 260 barrel today

Hopefully we can see what she's made of next week sometime.

 

[Chris@InterstateGuns]

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Where did you get the barrel dirtracer?

 

[Dirtracer151]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cds7221</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where did you get the barrel dirtracer? </div></div>

Kentucky Gun Co. It was in stock as well as the 6.5 Creedmore barrels.

 

[NoFail]

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I saw one at a local shop on Monday this week. I held it gave it a good once over and all that stuff. I want one now... $2890 tag on her....

 

[beenjammin]

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Here is pics of the single extractor bolt head.

 

[Dynamic Response]

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I sighted in my Nightforce F1 today and I have to say this Scope is insane it put all my other scopes to shame. The LMT 308 shot great today it was no problem putting the bullet in the same hole at 100yards. We only shot out to 300 yards today and it was extremely easy with this setup. So tomorrow I will be trying it out at 600-1000yards as long as it aint to windy. We had 30mph winds today so we didnt bother going that far out.

Every time I shoot this LMT It just keeps impressing me even more.

 

[Oakland Tactical]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigB308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I sighted in my Nightforce F1 today and I have to say this Scope is insane it put all my other scopes to shame. The LMT 308 shot great today it was no problem putting the bullet in the same hole at 100yards. We only shot out to 300 yards today and it was extremely easy with this setup. So tomorrow I will be trying it out at 600-1000yards as long as it aint to windy. We had 30mph winds today so we didnt bother going that far out.

Every time I shoot this LMT It just keeps impressing me even more. </div></div>

Lets see those groups, not a lot of MWS owners have high power optics so I think it would be interesting to see what your getting. I think I could do a little better with a higher power scope than the ~.55 im getting with a 10X max.

Most of the OBR, POF, and GAP owners have high power optics on their rifles so it would be an interesting comparison.

 

[problemchild]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Re25</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigB308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I sighted in my Nightforce F1 today and I have to say this Scope is insane it put all my other scopes to shame. The LMT 308 shot great today it was no problem putting the bullet in the same hole at 100yards. We only shot out to 300 yards today and it was extremely easy with this setup. So tomorrow I will be trying it out at 600-1000yards as long as it aint to windy. We had 30mph winds today so we didnt bother going that far out.

Every time I shoot this LMT It just keeps impressing me even more. </div></div>

<span style="text-decoration: underline">Lets see those groups, not a lot of MWS owners have high power optics so I think it would be interesting to see what your getting.</span> I think I could do a little better with a higher power scope than the ~.55 im getting with a 10X max.

Most of the OBR, POF, and GAP owners have high power optics on their rifles so it would be an interesting comparison. </div></div>

I have a 3x15NF and was shooting at the business card logo (mini 1/2 inch target) and got this group.

 

[Dynamic Response]

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I didn't shoot for groups. I just sighted it in and started to shoot steel. Next time I will and post the targets. Here is a Video of me shooting at 500yards on 5x using Federal American Eagle 150g FMJ-BT. There was 15mph wind with some pretty strong gusts. Next time I will try a bit farther like 800 or 1000yards.

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[mckelveymx]

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I have a few questions about my new LMT MWS. If anyone one with a lot of hands on experience with this rifle would be willing to send me a PM with a phone number and a time frame to call to talk about some of my concerns with my rifle, that would be awesome.
Thanks in advance. Zach McKelvey

 

[Dirtracer151]

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Anyone have any experience yet with a 6.5 creedmore or a .260 barrel yet? All I have is 142s right now but I don't think they will stabilize in the 1-9tw barrel. I'm gonna take it out this week to try anyway but I might need to get some 123s or 130s for this thing. It would be nice if I could run the same 142 load as my bolt rifle

Anyway here's what she looks like-

NF F1 mlr 2.0
LMT .260 barrel
If this barrel shoots I'm going to add a surefire brake in the next couple weeks.

 

[Dynamic Response]

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DirtRacer thats a Great setup. What MOA base are you using?

 

[Dirtracer151]

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Thank you.

It's a 22moa Badger base.

 

[Dynamic Response]

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Im going to pick up a new mount for my NF F1. Cant Decide if I should get 0MOA or 25MOA mount. I created a thread about this too. But you guys are using the same gun as me so what are you guys using? I want to be able to shoot as far as possible with this 308. But within reason this caliber does have limitations just like any other.

Whats the farthest you can push a 308 accurately and reliably?

 

[cutty01]

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RE: LMT MWS and Caldwell Lead Sled Plus

Hi Guys, I want to purchase a Caldwell Lead Sled Plus to test the accuracy of different rounds. I feel the MWS is way more accurate than I am and I am holding her back causing inconsistancies in my groups. I want to mount my MWS on a bench rest and am thinking of buying the Caldwell Lead Sled Plus.

Have any of you guys used on your LMT on this sled? Any problems with the SOPMOD stock fitting inside the rear rest? Any problems with the magazine depth? Caldwell has other models of sleds, so if you think I should be looking at another, feel free to suggest alternatives.

Cheers.

 

[The Gump]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cutty01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RE: LMT MWS and Caldwell Lead Sled Plus

Hi Guys, I want to purchase a Caldwell Lead Sled Plus to test the accuracy of different rounds. I feel the MWS is way more accurate than I am and I am holding her back causing inconsistancies in my groups. I want to mount my MWS on a bench rest and am thinking of buying the Caldwell Lead Sled Plus.

Have any of you guys used on your LMT on this sled? Any problems with the SOPMOD stock fitting inside the rear rest? Any problems with the magazine depth? Caldwell has other models of sleds, so if you think I should be looking at another, feel free to suggest alternatives.

Cheers. </div></div>

In my experience I have found that it's easier to shoot tight groups when I shoot prone off a bipod and rear bag rather than a lead sled of any sort. My lead sled has become a dust collector ever since I came to this realization.

 

[Dirtracer151]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigB308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im going to pick up a new mount for my NF F1. Cant Decide if I should get 0MOA or 25MOA mount. I created a thread about this too. But you guys are using the same gun as me so what are you guys using? I want to be able to shoot as far as possible with this 308. But within reason this caliber does have limitations just like any other.

Whats the farthest you can push a 308 accurately and reliably? </div></div>

Get the 25moa mount. There's many things to factor in when deciding the reasonable limits of the 308. You will be able to reach 1k w/ a 16" LMT on a good day and a stout load I would imagine. Will it be as easy as with a 26" 308 or a better caliber? No, but its still manageable. You'll regret it later if you don't get the 25moa IMHO.

 

[VonReich]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigB308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im going to pick up a new mount for my NF F1. Cant Decide if I should get 0MOA or 25MOA mount. I created a thread about this too. But you guys are using the same gun as me so what are you guys using? I want to be able to shoot as far as possible with this 308. But within reason this caliber does have limitations just like any other.

Whats the farthest you can push a 308 accurately and reliably? </div></div>

It really depends on the variables of the environment you're shooting in. I watched my platoon sniper hit a 1200m torso target first shot with a cold bore using M118LR (SMK BTHP). But his DOPE book was intensely rich in information for THAT particular rifle. You can develop your own dope book to record shot placements at various distances and atmospherics. This will require some practice but having a good barrel log and a good record of your rifle data will come in handy. But there is one thing that accuracy and reliability count on, the shooter. An inexperienced shooter may not be able to hit 100m reliably and accurately. Doesn't mean the rifle isn't capable though.

 

[The Gump]

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[JimGnitecki]

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It takes longer to learn to shoot a semi auto than a bolt rifle - at least that has been my experience so far. I shoot my TRG 338 Lapua a bit better than I do my LMT MWSE.

But, today, there was an important development that may indicate that is about to change.

I was tutoring a friend who has very little shooting experience and wants to learn precision shooting. Because I was tutoring him, I spent a lot of time setting up and modifying his position and hold as he fired 3 shot groups. That brought something important to my attention.

I could at one point see that he was not quite fully relaxed, and I saw a bit more side-tilt in his head than I would have wanted to see. I thought perhaps the rifle was positioned just a tiny bit too low - too close to the shooting bench.

I raised the Atlas bipod by one click - about an inch, which translates to less than that on the rifle height, since the legs are splayed.

That did it.

His groups immediately became notably tighter. (He got down to .8 inch groups on his first training day!)

I then tried firing a 3-shot group myself with that setting. I got a nice cloverleaf at 100 yards that measured out later as 0.28 inch. With factory Federal Gold medal 168g! (I wasn't about to consume my laboriously created 25 rounds per hour hand loads on a newbie).

This incident made me realize how critical adjustments can be.

I then took multiple photos of my friend shooting, plus had him take photos of me shooting, and am now analyzing them.

But in the meantime, I have to conclude: that 16 inch LMT with chrome lined barrel really SHOOTS when the driver gets things right.

Jim G

 

[Dynamic Response]

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DirtRacer, Right now I have a 20moa mount but want to switch to GDI just to have QD and be able to mount a Red dot. Ive been looking at some charts for different loads that I use and with a 0moa mount I will have enough to dial for 1250yards give or take. WIth a 25moa mount I would be able to dial for 1400. Isnt that a bit far for a 308?

Also Im concerned that the 25MOA mount will be to low to the rails and I wont be able to put lens covers on. Right now with my 20MOA mount I cant put the NF Bikini covers on but those do have a lip on them.

Is anybody running the GDI 25MOA mount?

 

[Bradu]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirtRacer151</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got my 260 barrel today

Hopefully we can see what she's made of next week sometime. </div></div>

Have you had a chance to shoot it with this barrel? I am really thinking about buying an LMT for my next rifle.

 

[m1ajunkie]

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Shot a precision rifle match last saturday and the pics were just put up I thought I would share a couple of me and my mws. Rifle is shooting unbelievably now that the shooter is driving it properly.

I'm running the 16" SS barrel, and a NF F1 with MLR reticle for those interested. Ended up 4th out of 35 competitors this weekend.

ETA: Shooting the 178amax to 2460fps.

Pics:

 

[Dynamic Response]

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M1A junkie, Great job bro. What kind of shooting did you have to do at the match?

 

[m1ajunkie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigB308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">M1A junkie, Great job bro. What kind of shooting did you have to do at the match? </div></div>

The match was called Carolina Sniper Golf, and there is a thread with some details in the competition forums on here.

This match was designed not to be your typical "belly match". Each stage offered up challenges in position, and non standard shooting practices. There were stages where you had to range a target with your reticle and hit the hostage taker and not the hostage which ended up being about 350yds, as shown in the pics there was a sitting unsupported stage at a 11x22" steel at about 400yds, a stage where the rifle had to be canted 90 degrees, one where you had to engage a 6" steel target at 300yds from your weakside in a really weird bunker setup, buddy position stage, target id stage, and a movement stage. All in all a great match with lots of great competitors. All shots were less than 555yds, but what would normally be easy shots were coupled with requirements that make the shooter think to get hits.

ETA: The cant the rifle 90 degrees stage was mind boggling to say the least.

 

[Dirtracer151]

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Your dope at 100yds should be about 1 mil down and 1 mil right if you're shooting port up.

 

[bluesgt380]

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Nice pictures... Excellent rifle

 

[m1ajunkie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirtRacer151</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your dope at 100yds should be about 1 mil down and 1 mil right if you're shooting port up. </div></div>

Yeah, I figured that out after the stage....I held .5 high and 1mil right for the first round, then second round I still held .5 high and went to 1.5 right.

Couldn't see my impacts, but every one stumbled on that stage so it wasn't a huge setback. I think if it had been 100yds I would have done alright, but we were at 165yds (I believe). Certainly learned from it though, and will have to practice that more now that I've tried it.

 

[Dynamic Response]

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That sounds like it would be a lot of fun to shoot in all those crazy positions.

 

[997/2man]

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Just saw some groups shot with a new SCAR-17, still new rifle, trying different loads, looks like a 2" rifle. No one tell them our LMTs shoot < 1". LOL.
I know that the MWS is heavier, a lot less plastic.

 

[PRDRIVER]

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m1ajunkie - Congrats on the solid finish.

 

[Oakland Tactical]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RMW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">m1ajunkie - Congrats on the solid finish. </div></div>
I think it is safe to say he has been fully rehabilitated and should now change his username.

 

[m1ajunkie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Re25</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RMW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">m1ajunkie - Congrats on the solid finish. </div></div>
I think it is safe to say he has been fully rehabilitated and should now change his username. </div></div>

Thanks RMW, one of these I am going to win one of these matches.

Re25- you are exactly right. My m1a was just up for sale, but no interested buyers so I decided to keep it. I have a special place for the m1a, but the type of shooting I enjoy now the mws is exactly what I need.

 

[pmclaine]

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Gee this thread made it to the middle of the third page. Thats as far down the log as I have seen it go since I have been following it the last few months.

Figures I put in an order and these are yesterdays news, the ugly sister, the rifle with a "great personality".

End of June estimated arrival. A 16" MWSE with FDE plastic and 6 extra mags.

 

[997/2man]

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And all the other rifles really like her...

She's a little heavy, but has a pretty face.

A lot of fun, a great personality.

 

[Dirtracer151]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bradu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirtRacer151</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got my 260 barrel today

Hopefully we can see what she's made of next week sometime. </div></div>

Have you had a chance to shoot it with this barrel? I am really thinking about buying an LMT for my next rifle. </div></div>

So far it doesn't like my 142s from my bolt rifle. I did shoot some 123s through it last week and it seemed to like those.

One thing to note is I'm still running a factory trigger (new one on the way this week) so I do pull fliers frequently. I'm used to my 1# single stage bolt rifle triggers so this stiff LMT 2-stage leaves a lot to be desired.

The 10 dot drill aways kills me. I fired this drill in 1 minute for all 10 shots. The dots are .625". With a lighter trigger I'm confident this rifle can clean this drill. If it doesn't look hard I urge you to try it.

This group was during my re zero after switching to 123s. I fired 4 shots and then made the correction for POA in the scope and fired a 5th.

I'll give some better feedback when I get a better trigger. I'm also installing a surefire brake later this week.

 

[m1ajunkie]

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Picked up my first win in a match today. Competed in a local sniper challenge with about 30 shooters, and finally came away with a win. Looking forward to many more with the help of the MWS.

 

[problemchild]

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A little heavy...I use mine as a backup boat anchor in case Im lost at sea. 17lb with a loaded mag is more than a little heavy.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 997/2man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And all the other rifles really like her...

She's a little heavy, but has a pretty face.

A lot of fun, a great personality. </div></div>

 

[997/2man]

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Where's the Shankster when you need him. Hey, you'll get your bicep curls in for the day. LOL.

 

[HPLLC]

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I finally got out to shoot my gun. At 100 meters, zeroing, my best 3 shot group of 4 groups was .95" That was with the factory trigger.

I was shooting 175grain HSM M118 equivalent ammo, which has a measured COAL of ~2.795"

I've heard that the best COAL for these guns is 2.81"

The odd thing about that was that when I extracted chambered rounds, they had 3 or 4 helical marks on the bullets of different radial lengths- not uniform as you would expect of rifling, but I'm wondering if the bullets were touching the lands at 2.795" already?

I'm running an MGI RRB which is a 7 ounce buffer, and ejection was about 4 feet to the 2 o'clock position from the prone.

 

[HPLLC]

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Figured it was worth adding this to the Long LMT MWS thread. My gun at 100meters was pretty tough to shoot prior to this modification- AKA squeezing the trigger the reticles wobble zone was about .3 MOA easilly (with a rear bag). This reduced pull weight by 29.5%. That should help.

I tested pretravel weight of my LMT MWS trigger- it was 44 ounces...

So I tested the pull weight. 68 ounces. 4.25 lbs. I shotgunned the MWS and discovered the previous owner had assembled the trigger spring in an abnormal way to take some weight off it. (This explains 4.25lbs as opposed to 5-6lbs which is more normal as far as I know.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Anyway-</span>

I pulled out my JP trigger kit with the (reduced weight yellow trigger spring only) figuring 44 ounces of pretravel weight is excessive (2/3's of the total pull weight) . The trigger spring's job is only to return the trigger forward. So it doesn't need to be several pounds- it just has to get the job done.

The trigger pull weight dropped instantly to 48 ounces. (3 lbs) This with the trigger spring installed properly as intended.

Now it feels really good- as good or better than my memory of my M110 trigger in the military. And there is a very discernable second stage. I didn't measure the pretravel, but it might be 20 ounces now.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=7582/Product/AR-15-REDUCED-POWER-SPRING-KIT

You can get the trigger spring here. <span style="font-weight: bold"> $10 for a trigger that has to be as good as some of the several hundred dollar options out there. </span>

 

[Awesymoto]

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My MWSS is almost here (2 days) ! I'm loading my FDAC cards and can't decide. What velocities are you guys getting for the 18" stainless with FGMM 175 unsuppressed/canned?

 

[CanSniper]

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Griffin,
thank you for the tip on the trigger springs! I ordered mine as soon as I saw your post. Talk about bang for the buck up grade! I installed both springs, since I only run my hand loads. But I will keep an eye out for light primer strikes. I would even call it a "nice" trigger.
Thanks again!

 

[Laseredge]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Awesymoto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My MWSS is almost here (2 days) ! I'm loading my FDAC cards and can't decide. What velocities are you guys getting for the 18" stainless with FGMM 175 unsuppressed/canned? </div></div>

Chronographed last week:

18"SS FGMM 175--2530 fps@ 45 degrees@ 5000'.

 

[Awesymoto]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LCJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Awesymoto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My MWSS is almost here (2 days) ! I'm loading my FDAC cards and can't decide. What velocities are you guys getting for the 18" stainless with FGMM 175 unsuppressed/canned? </div></div>

Chronographed last week:

18"SS FGMM 175--2530 fps@ 45 degrees@ 5000'. </div></div>
dang thats awesome, was this with or without a can?

 

[03psd]

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i know its a 308 MWS thread but I thought I would get in on it with a little 6.5mm action.

 

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

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[trident1982]

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This thread is slap full of sexy f**king world beating badass rifles, and that's all I got to say about that

!

 

[LVdubbin]

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Some shitty iPhone pics of my MWS. I'll take some better ones when I get a chance, maybe even some pics of groups if I can get to the range this week. I just got my Spuhr mount in this weekend. The gun is finally complete...for now. I kinda blew my scope money on a steal of a deal on some .308 ammo, so the Vortex will have to do for now and for the price I think its great glass. I'll eventually upgrade to a FFP Nightforce scope and a TBAC or AAC SR7 suppressor. Here are the specs so far:

LMT MWS 16" CL
Spuhr SP-3616 scope mount
Vortex Viper HS 5-15x44 scope
Atlas V8.1 bipod w/ spiked feet
Magpul PRS stock
Slash XH buffer w/ Armalite buffer spring
Magpul Miad grip
Battlecomp BABC

 

[LVdubbin]

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As promised...