LMT QC?
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I’ve bought a MARS-L and a MARS-H in the last 9 months. No complaints.
Appear to be every bit as good as the MWS I have owned for the past 10 years.
Appear to be every bit as good as the MWS I have owned for the past 10 years.
I've bought a 12.5" specwar and a 300 blk pdw in the last 3 months and they're excellent.
I’m looking for consistent .75 MOA or better. Do those rifles meet that requirement?
I have not gotten that level of accuracy from mine.
Both my MWS and my MARS-H have factory 16” SS barrels and 4-16X NF ATACR’s.
I shoot factory 175 gr. FGMM.
I get consistent groups around 1 inch off of a bipod.
Someone who handloads and is better than I am at shooting groups could probably tighten that up some.
LMT builds guns that are a compromise between reliability and accuracy. That is what I wanted, so that is what I bought.
If you are looking for the smallest groups as your top priority, you may want to look at something else.
I’ve got a LaRue upper with several thousands of rounds though it with 100% reliability, it’s also a .5 MOA upper when I’m in the zone.
The whole thing about reliability means inaccurate is just an old wives tale, kinda like breaking in a barrel. Perhaps in the past those things were true but not today.
LMT, Knighs, DD shoot the way they do because they built rifles for the military and the military doesn’t care if it’s .5 MOA or 2 MOA. They could build more accurate rifles.
Only accurate rifles are interesting rifles.
The whole thing about reliability means inaccurate is just an old wives tale, kinda like breaking in a barrel. Perhaps in the past those things were true but not today.
LMT, Knighs, DD shoot the way they do because they built rifles for the military and the military doesn’t care if it’s .5 MOA or 2 MOA. They could build more accurate rifles.
Only accurate rifles are interesting rifles.
Yeah I have precision ARs and I have utility ARs. My LMTs are in the Utility category. I figure they are good for 1.5-2.0 moa which is good enough.
My LMTs are great, my favorite ARs. I've only shot my 6.5 mws for groups but it shot a .8 MOA average 5x5 using factory ammo, and it wasn't cherry picked ammo. It's was the only ammo I've put through it.
If you aren't happy with the accuracy of the factory barrel, hand a custom barrel made from the blank and smith of your choice and then send it off to D Wilson for a LMT conversion.
If you aren't happy with the accuracy of the factory barrel, hand a custom barrel made from the blank and smith of your choice and then send it off to D Wilson for a LMT conversion.
LMT at 300 yards with 168 FGMM and a USO 1-8X
Not shabby for a two pound bolt slamming back and forth.
Not shabby for a two pound bolt slamming back and forth.
You mean there are over priced AR's made by companies whose primary customer is the US military that sell to the commercial sector that aren't accurate. I've read that the SP-10M is / was used by Delta, I'd think they would demand reliability, wouldn't you? The SP-10M is a sub MOA rifle with a competent shooter yet apparently LMT, KAC can't seem to figure out how to build an accurate and reliable rifle and they have no incentive to do so as their customer is the US military not the consumer. The idea that you've got to choose between reliability or accuracy is an anachronism it's not 1950 anymore. It's ludicrous to pay $3k for an AR that can't shoot sub MOA yet KAC and LMT have no problems selling their rifles, I'm not sure why people are willing to pay extra for less performance. If your going to say because "it's reliable" then show me the data that shows the SP-10M is less reliable than KAC or LMT.
Bla bla bla, they are plenty accurate for their intended use. I am sure I could make mine more accurate ( or rather me more accurate with them) by swapping out my dots for a small scope and using better ammo. I have them and they work great for me. They are minute of pig or man out to 250ish. At that point I switch to more serious toys. We buy them because we know they work and for our purpose they are accurate.
I should add my LMTs are 14.5” barrels all wear Eotech or Aimpoint dots. Lmt can and does make accurate rifles. They also make hard use stuff that is purpose built and will hit targets as needed. Mine are not DMR rifles, but they make them.
Have seen some very accurate LMT MWS on here. You can also alternate them between a 16” CL and an 18-20” SS 5R or custom barrel in a few minutes
If accuracy in the main goal a GAP or JP LRI 20 would enter the chat.
I guess it depends on what accuracy you’re expecting or chasing. Some YouTubers like garandthumb or mountains, mullets, merica have some pretty impressive hit ratios with LMT and KAC side by side
If accuracy in the main goal a GAP or JP LRI 20 would enter the chat.
I guess it depends on what accuracy you’re expecting or chasing. Some YouTubers like garandthumb or mountains, mullets, merica have some pretty impressive hit ratios with LMT and KAC side by side
I'm thinking the SP-10M is the answer I'm looking for. It's like a duty grade GAP-10 and very accurate from what I've read. Anyone want to sell me one in .308?
This isn’t bashing Seekins at all.
My stainless LMT 308 shoots better groups than my 6.5 SP10 factory barrel. Seekins aren’t magic, they use button rifled rock blanks. My chrome LMT’s shot right with the factory Seekins barrel before I replaced it. The Criterion barrel I used to rebarrel my SP10 outshoots the original.
Lmt has a better BCG, hands down.
The Seekins biggest appeals are the semi-monolithic upper and the ability to use off the shelf DPMS pattern barrels.
Everybody bitches about every mfg. Read the complaints on the Seekins owners FB page. You’ll see complaints about inaccurate guns, especially the bolt guns.
My stainless LMT 308 shoots better groups than my 6.5 SP10 factory barrel. Seekins aren’t magic, they use button rifled rock blanks. My chrome LMT’s shot right with the factory Seekins barrel before I replaced it. The Criterion barrel I used to rebarrel my SP10 outshoots the original.
Lmt has a better BCG, hands down.
The Seekins biggest appeals are the semi-monolithic upper and the ability to use off the shelf DPMS pattern barrels.
Everybody bitches about every mfg. Read the complaints on the Seekins owners FB page. You’ll see complaints about inaccurate guns, especially the bolt guns.
Is the M model a Bartlein barrel?
SP10M vs SP10
I have a SP10. I not sure what can be done to make it better. I am very satisfied with it. What is the cost of SP10M. All I see different is the adjustable gas block. Can some one point to difference
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I thought I remember Frank stating that they’re the same rock creek barrels I but could be wrong.Is the M model a Bartlein barrel?
SP10M vs SP10
I have a SP10. I not sure what can be done to make it better. I am very satisfied with it. What is the cost of SP10M. All I see different is the adjustable gas block. Can some one point to difference
This guy says the usasoc guns have a different bore diameter, who knows.
Both companies put out some of the best large frames on the planet.
Frank did a video at SHOT with the Seekings guy. The SP-10 and the SP-10 M are different rifles as far as how they are put together. The SP-10 is a parts and pieces gun, the -M is more of a custom.
Watching mountains, mullets, merica stretch out his large frame rifles made me realize I was expecting way too much from my gas guns.
When I quit focusing on shooting small groups, and focused more on just shooting the gun, I got better at shooting the ar10 platform. My mws has been the most consistent out of four large frames that I've had.
Right!
You watch him shoot some groups and your thinking the price seems high for the accuracy. Then you watch the long range shooting and you’d think the gun was a 1/2 MOA rifle on the 100 yard target
Representative of my rifle with 16" CL barrel. Only complaint I have is the chamber leaves a ring impression on brass on the shoulder. Other than that for a semi auto I couldn't be happier.
I'm starting an LMT spr build. I got the upper from rooftop defense and it came with a used 16" barrel so I'll probably give that a go.
The machining is a little iffy. Looks like they should have changed their tooling sooner. The barrel also didn't slide in but took some convincing.
I'm going to shoot it tomorrow and see if I can get under 1.5 MOA, I'd be happy with that but I'm likely going to get D.wilson to convert a barrel. Maybe proof, maybe PVA.
The main reason I went with LMT was the handguard theoretically not influencing POI. We'll see.
ETA: here are some pictures.
The machining is a little iffy. Looks like they should have changed their tooling sooner. The barrel also didn't slide in but took some convincing.
I'm going to shoot it tomorrow and see if I can get under 1.5 MOA, I'd be happy with that but I'm likely going to get D.wilson to convert a barrel. Maybe proof, maybe PVA.
The main reason I went with LMT was the handguard theoretically not influencing POI. We'll see.
ETA: here are some pictures.
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Same parts and pieces, just more attention to fitment during assembly.
Exactly!
He'll shoot a 1.5 moa group and be like, "that's acceptable to me out of this platform". Sits down off a tripod and proceeds to get a first round hit over a thousand yards. In the dark! Lol.
Yeah, my gun probably isn't my problem.
My next AR will be a LMT MARS L. Be a mini me to my MWS. I know it’s not for everyone but I really like the quick change barrel feature and monolithic upper
I like knowing I can run some cheap ammo through my 16” CL barrel or buy a 20”+ 6.5 barrel for it if I want to use it for long range in the future.
If I decide to hand load I can swap to whatever barrel I’m testing then simply throw my barrel I’m currently using back on. That’s how I use my AI’s
We think too much alike. Been debating the same thing lol. That and selling my mws lower for a Mars-h.
Mine do not, something between one and two MOA with factory ammo.
Not sure what you are running but mine was extremely sensitive to the type of muzzle device I had. No joke cut it from 1-2moa to what you see above with the same ammo.
What ammo types are people running? If 308 the 168 or 175 smk is the gold standard in testing a rifles accuracy with factory ammo
My 16” CL shoots 1.5” at 100 but it does so in my bolt guns as well with the 150 SST Fiocchi I was shooting
My 16” CL shoots 1.5” at 100 but it does so in my bolt guns as well with the 150 SST Fiocchi I was shooting
I had a lower 2-3 years ago (pre-move) that had to be replaced with quite a fight. I’ve had two small frame guns since 2011 that still get regular use. I now have four recent build complete rifles that are flawless and a fifth on the way. No regrets and would buy more.
I have an LMT CQB/MRP that is a solid 3/4" with Black Hills MK262. It is a 1.5-2" gun with everything else in my stash. It's intended as a battle gun I expect but it is very good with that ammo.
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