Load development question

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To me it's easier to tune for seating depth than powder charge. What I do is find the best powder charge then, fine tune it with seating depth. Changing the seating depth after you find a good load will keep your ES and SD down.
 
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Shoot your best group with different powder changes and with your longest seated round (mag length for a magazine or touching lands without a mag) then when you find your best powder charges (smallest group).Start to back off in small increments (I use .0015, repeat the groups and one of two things will happen- the groups open up or tignten down. And Ther U R.
 
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Doing a simple ladder test first with powder charge followed by Walt Bergers seating depth test ( shoot 3 rounds of each 10 thou in the lands followed by 10, 30, 60 and 120 thou off the lands) and you will be getting close to your barrells max potential with only slight tweaking to the gross seating test needed.
This may sound like a waste of barrell life but will end up getting you the best load possible with the fewest rounds.

Before you start though as mentioned you need to find max safe charge and you can do that by repeaetedly firing 1 or 2 cases till this is found and only sacrifice those 2 cases (they will be messed up and primer pockets probably loosened up so and not to ruin all your new brass by doing max load tests with your good brass which can mess it up and add a major variable. I did that to a 100 new Lapua cases and they are now used for plinking since each was fired with a different load they all act differently resizing and seating as the brass is all stressed differently and not great for accuracy.
 
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i think charge wieghts have a bigger effect on accuracy then seating depth. Not that seating depth doesnt effect accuracy or the safety of a load , its just. Most people tend to jump their bullets .060 or less off the lands (most under .020), despite different cartridges , bullets , ect. So there is allot of variation in charge weight and powders being used, yet people use a similar amount of jump. So for that reason , the intial jump most people use is allot closer to their ideal OBT/OCW load, then the starting charge weight would be. So i think thats why people do powder test first.
 
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Powder charge weight generally corresponds to barrel transit time, and is the foundation on which all the other load development tweaks will rest, so I start there. I choose a good non-match primer and leave that part of the development alone from then on until the last step.

My cartridge OAL is arbitrarily set for starters so all the bullets do not contact the rifling.

Once testing determines the best powder charge, I will tweak the OAL until I can see whether seating into or out of the lands becomes preferable. If there's no screamingly big advantage either way, I prefer to seat the bullet so it jumps.

Final test is to replace the standard primer with the match primer of the same brand and style. If there is no screamingly big advantage to using the match primer, I will stay with the standard primer.

My performance is not within that portion of the pack where a single point will alter my standing greatly. Until my performance changes to negate that, I see no benefit to envesting heroic efforts at the loading bench.

My perennial hope is that I will need to face that choice someday.

Greg
 
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Now that's what I'm talking about. Just opened up Newberry's site; appears to be pretty objective and well grounded. I'll pull the other link too.

You could say I've pissed up a rope more than once in my life! Great info guys.
Matt
 
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There's so much freebore in my rifle I just work on powder charges. When I tried to reach out closer to the lands I barely had any bullet in the neck.

Funny thing though, 43.5 grains of Varget behind a 175 gr custom comp nosler seated to magazine length (2.800) in my .308 shoots nice tight groups. Bug Holes at 100 yards and quarter sized groups at 300 yards.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadshot2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's so much freebore in my rifle I just work on powder charges. When I tried to reach out closer to the lands I barely had any bullet in the neck.

Funny thing though, 43.5 grains of Varget behind a 175 gr custom comp nosler seated to magazine length (2.800) in my .308 shoots nice tight groups. Bug Holes at 100 yards and quarter sized groups at 300 yards.

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Fine tuning a load with seating depth, especially if you are following the OCW principles, has nothing at all to do with a relationship with the lands...and everything to do with barrel time, correct exit time of the bullet, and the shockwave (barrel harmonics).

Once an accuracy node is located:

3, or 4, or maybe 5 thousandths of an inch deeper seating depth will increase barrel time just a tiny amount to allow the exit of the bullet to occur at a calmer state of the muzzle, if that is what's needed, and thus shrink groups.

3, or 4, or maybe 5 thousandths of an inch longer seating depth will shorten the barrel time by a tiny amount to allow the exit of the bullet to occur at a calmer state of the muzzle, if that's what is needed, and thus shrink groups.

It's ALL about timing the exit of the bullet when the muzzle is in the calmest state during the cycles of the harmonics. Roughed in with experimentations with powder charges (changes in speed), and then fine tuned beyond what a powder charge increment of .1 grains can do with very small changes in the actual distance a bullet must travel to exit the muzzle (changes in seating depth).

Mag Length governs everything I do......

One of the most accurate loads I've ever developed, consistantly under 1/4 MOA, was with a 90 grain Sierra HP in a factory Remington .270 win barrel. The bullet jumped .250" to the lands. That's a whole quarter of an inch.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gene Poole</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you get tired of pissing up a rope, look into this, and never look back:

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Dunno why, I click on it and it goes right there to practical riflery.