Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

#251
Re: Loads for .260

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charlie Papa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For you guys using a .289 bushing, are you still using the expander ball? Do you find your loads are more consistent using the expander ball (more consistent neck tension)? If I don't use the expander with a .289 bushing, the tension is enough that the seating stem digs into the bullet jacket. Was wondering if it would be worth it to use a .290 without the ball. I tried a .291 but doesn't leave enough tension. </div></div>

what do your loaded rounds measure around the neck?.292?
 
#253
Re: Loads for .260

I still use the ball just for consistency. But I suppose you could attain consistency from either sizing outside, or inside of the case. My guess is that the best consistency comes from doing both. To really get perfect neck tension, you would have to know that all your case necks are the same thickness, then sized the same both the same inside and outside.

Although I know how to do all the bench rest type reloading, it isn't worth my time as I don't do benchrest shooting, so all that extra effort isn't repaid. As long as my rifle consistently shoots half minute using a Harris bi-pod, and what I call a rear stock bag while shooting prone, I'm content to quite there. I doubt that I could get quarter minute groups without using a bench, and bench rest type bags and front rest. As that isn't the type of shooting I do, all that extra reloading effort isn't worth my time.
 
#255
Re: Loads for .260

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charlie Papa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.292-.2925. My biggest question is whether you guys still use the expanded ball or not. </div></div>

.290 bushing should work if you're getting .292 when loaded. (for bolt action). Gas gun might need a tighter neck tension.

You don't really need the ball unless you have a dent on the neck.
 
#257
Re: Loads for .260

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KBT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone tried or have load data for the 6.5x47 using
IMR 8208 XBR powder.

KT </div></div>

I have. Have not taken it any further than pressure/Audette ladders and a few groups. The groups and consistency has been wonderful but the speed very lacking with the heavier bullets. With lighter bullets it may be the bomb. Here is a pressure ladder I ran with the 100 gr Partition.

100 gr PT , Fed 205m, 2.538" OAL which is 10 thou off my lands.
IMR 8208
37 2992
37.5 3025
38 3053
38.5 3106
39 3142
39.5 3170
40 3207
40.5 3250
41 3297

I tested it again just a few weeks ago for a seating depth test.

54 deg F, 24.58 baro 5-shot groups
Seating depth test
0" off 3325 av, 18 es, 7 sd 0.625"
.005" off 3338 av, 32 es, 12 sd 1.56"
.010" off 3346 av, 16 es, 5 sd 1.5"
.015" off 3350 av, 33 es, 13 sd, first 4 shots had 3 es .75"
.020" off 3357 av, 26 es, 11 sd 2.44"

Here is the Nosler 120 BT

120 BT 2.637" 10 thou off
IMR 8208 Fed 205m
35 2687
35.5 2737
36 2769
36.5 2802
37 2838
37.5 2900
38 2926

I good mate of mine who works for ADI (they make Hodgdon powders) as a ballistic lab tech, suggested the following to start at.

Load range for IMR 8208
100 grain Charge weight = 37.0 to 40.0 grains
120 grain Charge weight = 35.0 to 38.0 grains
130 grain Charge weight = 34.0 to 37.0 grains
140 grain Charge weight = 32.0 to 34.0 grains

Hope this helps.

6.5x47

Forgot to add a pressure ladder I shot on Saturday with the Sierra 123 MK and CCI 400. OAL is 10 thou in the lands 3.021" with the Hornady tool to measure to the ogive.

35 2776
34.6 2743
34.2 2732
33.8 2704
33.4 2673
33 2642
32.6 2622
 
#258
Re: Loads for .260

8028 is one of the powders I have NOT tried yet. But, for whatever it is worth, anyone I know of that has tried it has had good luck with it in the following cartridges:
308 Win/7.62x51
30-06
6.5 Grendel
260 Rem
223/5.56x45

I don't know about other cartridges, but those are the cartridges that my friends have tried the powder with. So far, it sounds like one of those "wonder" powders that seems to work well in just about anything.
 
#260
Re: Loads for .260

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">8028 is one of the powders I have NOT tried yet. But, for whatever it is worth, anyone I know of that has tried it has had good luck with it in the following cartridges:
308 Win/7.62x51
30-06
6.5 Grendel
260 Rem
223/5.56x45

I don't know about other cartridges, but those are the cartridges that my friends have tried the powder with. So far, it sounds like one of those "wonder" powders that seems to work well in just about anything. </div></div>

That's quite a selection of cartridges that do well with IMR 8028. Intriguing. Are there other members that have experience with those cartridges and that powder? Referencing data would be appreciated immensely. Load information would be great, especially with .260 (AI), thanks!
 
#261
Re: Loads for .260

I haven't tried the powder yet..the info is from various friends who have tried it. One of these days I would like to try it though. I have heard it is even less temperature sensitive than Varget.

The group of people in the Northwest who tried this powder started out with information from a fellow who was on the US's 1000 yard F-class team that had great success at Bisley last time around. I don't know which powder he used at Bisley, or if he was just trying out something new.

He shoots box stock Savage rifles, and believes that the secret to wringing the best performance out of his rifles is in the ammo. Not much of a secret, but it sure got me thinking about the ammo use, and how I prepare it.
 
#263
Re: Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: treymchattie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hornady 6.5creedmoor brass
44.1gr 4350
CCI BR2 LR primer
120gr amax
hovers right around 3000 fps from a 28in 1-8.5 krieger barrel. </div></div>

What kind of accuracy are you getting with this load?
 
#264
Re: Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

Just put the finishing touches on two loads for my light 6.5x47 Lapua.

130 VLD
38.6 gr Varget
CCI BR
seated 15 in to the lands.
2940 fps with single digit SD's
24.5" #3, 1:8 Brougton
sub 1/2 MOA
3-shots @ 1008 the other day gave 1.5" vertical

123 MK
38.5 gr Varget
CCI BR
seated 15 out or 10 in to the lands
2945 fps with single digit SD's
5-shot groups in the .3 to .4 moa range.
3-shots @ 1008 the other day gave 1.625 vertical

6.5x47
 
#265
Re: Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 6.5x47</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just put the finishing touches on two loads for my light 6.5x47 Lapua.

130 VLD
38.6 gr Varget
CCI BR
seated 15 in to the lands.
2940 fps with single digit SD's
24.5" #3, 1:8 Brougton
sub 1/2 MOA
3-shots @ 1008 the other day gave 1.5" vertical

123 MK
38.5 gr Varget
CCI BR
seated 15 out or 10 in to the lands
2945 fps with single digit SD's
5-shot groups in the .3 to .4 moa range.
3-shots @ 1008 the other day gave 1.625 vertical

6.5x47</div></div>

Ive ran Varget up to 38.7 with the 130vld's, but i was jumping them .040" to be able to go that high without pressure. 38.6gr and .015" IN the lands, that's got to be gettin on up there on pressure.
 
#266
Re: Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trevor300wsm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Ive ran Varget up to 38.7 with the 130vld's, but i was jumping them .040" to be able to go that high without pressure. 38.6gr and .015" IN the lands, that's got to be gettin on up there on pressure. </div></div>

Ok, that's your rifle. I've been running two different -47's for 3-1/2 yrs and know what pressure in either of these rifles look like. This rifle; NADA! With that said, the -47 case in a properly built rifle will take a LOT of pressure and sneer at it.

6.5x47
 
#267
Re: Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

Just built a 47 to compare to my 260.

Here is the load data.
Lapua brass
205 primers
123 lapuas<span style="color: #CC0000"> Moly</span>
2.735 COL
RL-15 40 grs
24" barrel kreiger
Shooting around 3040fps chrono plus field data. It is a hot load but preform great with the combo. The 260 is a little faster, but less powder with about the same results.
 
#269
Re: Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiDavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can anyone tell me the COAL for the production 6.5x47 lapua cartridges?
</div></div>

For what bullet?
 
#270
Re: Loads for .260

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">8028 is one of the powders I have NOT tried yet. But, for whatever it is worth, anyone I know of that has tried it has had good luck with it in the following cartridges:
308 Win/7.62x51
30-06
6.5 Grendel
260 Rem
223/5.56x45

I don't know about other cartridges, but those are the cartridges that my friends have tried the powder with. So far, it sounds like one of those "wonder" powders that seems to work well in just about anything. </div></div>

You can add the 6.5 Creedmoor and the .243 Win to the list also. I have been using 8208 for just over a year now and it pretty much is my go to powder.

Just make sure you buy it in a 8lbs jug!
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#273
Re: Loads for .260

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gau17</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone having problems with newer lots of 140 AMAX AMP? I read on another forum a few people were having issues. </div></div>

I have been shooting the regular/old A-Max and the AMP A-Max 140's out of my Creedmoor and I have not seen any change in group size, velocity, or pressure.

You really just need to shoot the 140 AMP A-Max and see what it does in our rifle.


For what it's worth, I did notice that a new lot of factory loaded Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor Match 140 ammo is all of the sudden not as long as previous lots. Before it was five thou into the lands and now it is just touching them. I measured to see if it was throat wear and it was not. The base to ogive in this lot is just that much shorter. As a result, this lot of ammo is shooting a little slower and my groups opened up a little.
 
#274
Re: Loads for .260

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CTressler</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gau17</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone having problems with newer lots of 140 AMAX AMP? I read on another forum a few people were having issues. </div></div>

I have been shooting the regular/old A-Max and the AMP A-Max 140's out of my Creedmoor and I have not seen any change in group size, velocity, or pressure.

You really just need to shoot the 140 AMP A-Max and see what it does in our rifle.


For what it's worth, I did notice that a new lot of factory loaded Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor Match 140 ammo is all of the sudden not as long as previous lots. Before it was five thou into the lands and now it is just touching them. I measured to see if it was throat wear and it was not. The base to ogive in this lot is just that much shorter. As a result, this lot of ammo is shooting a little slower and my groups opened up a little.

</div></div>

Thanks CTressler
 
#275
Re: Loads for .260

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CTressler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For what it's worth, I did notice that a new lot of factory loaded Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor Match 140 ammo is all of the sudden not as long as previous lots. Before it was five thou into the lands and now it is just touching them. I measured to see if it was throat wear and it was not. The base to ogive in this lot is just that much shorter. As a result, this lot of ammo is shooting a little slower and my groups opened up a little.</div></div>

I've noticed differences from lot to lot in the Amax bullets where the ogive touches my comparator, and where it touches the lands, and by as much as 15-20 thousandths. Add to that Midway has twice now shipped me boxes from two different lots when I'm ordering five at a time. Not cool, Midway. I have to really double-check everything. I seat in the lands, though, so that helps.
 
#276
Re: Loads for .260

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I still use the ball just for consistency. But I suppose you could attain consistency from either sizing outside, or inside of the case. My guess is that the best consistency comes from doing both. To really get perfect neck tension, you would have to know that all your case necks are the same thickness, then sized the same both the same inside and outside.

Although I know how to do all the bench rest type reloading, it isn't worth my time as I don't do benchrest shooting, so all that extra effort isn't repaid. As long as my rifle consistently shoots half minute using a Harris bi-pod, and what I call a rear stock bag while shooting prone, I'm content to quite there. I doubt that I could get quarter minute groups without using a bench, and bench rest type bags and front rest. As that isn't the type of shooting I do, all that extra reloading effort isn't worth my time. </div></div>


We worry about all the micro details, however when all is said and done, does it make that much of a difference? Do we shoot good enough to extrapolate these micro differences.

I've read several post that rant about good Hornady's factory loads group. Good enough that several people have taken rounds apart and documented the powder charges. And in every example the charging amounts vary to some degree.

What in the reloading process can we improve on to surpass an already very good factory load.
 
#277
Re: Loads for .260

With Hornady putting the "recipe" for their loads onto the box of some of their ammo, many handloaders have come to realize that many of the things they are doing don't contribute all that much to really good handloads.

I don't think there is a direct relationship between each little thing we do to tweek our handloads and accuracy. In other words, if I do 10 things that each should reduce group size by one tenth of an inch, I have not observed that my groups are reduced by a full inch. However, I have noticed that if I do all 10 little tweeks, I can reduce my group size noticeably. Then, the question becomes whether all that extra work is worth such a small improvement in accuracy.

Like most handloaders, cost effectiveness, and accuracy are the two primary objectives. I think there are a few really critical things that tweek loads and make a good load become a great load. Those things include:

1. knowing where the bullet's ogive is, so you can seat your bullet the distance from the start of lands and grooves to give the best accuracy in your rifle.
2. use brass that is reasonably uniform in weight. The closer the better.
3. have consistent neck tension. Having one case that has been loaded 10 times, and another that has been loaded 2 times can make a huge difference if the necks aren't annealed. I could feel the difference when seating bullets before I figured that out.

An acquaintance of mine shoots on the US F class team, and uses a stock rifle. His contention is that he wins/looses matches based on consistent ammo and wind reading. If his ammo has a vertical dispersion that is 25% less than most of the other competitors, he has a significant advantage.

He sorts bullets and cases by weight, then sorts bullets by length to ogive from base. He does all the standard stuff like trimming and turning case necks, uniforming primer pockets, deburring flash holes.

I just don't do the kind of shooting where I would get enough benefit out of sorting my brass and bullets like that. I understand the method, but choose to not go quite so far.
 
#278
Re: Loads for .260

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think there are a few really critical things that tweek loads and make a good load become a great load. Those things include:

1. knowing where the bullet's ogive is, so you can seat your bullet the distance from the start of lands and grooves to give the best accuracy in your rifle.
2. use brass that is reasonably uniform in weight. The closer the better.
3. have consistent neck tension. Having one case that has been loaded 10 times, and another that has been loaded 2 times can make a huge difference if the necks aren't annealed. I could feel the difference when seating bullets before I figured that out. </div></div>

Well said, the only thing I would add is the need to have a powder measure that can provide consistent precise measurements. You should be able to drop one granule of powder on your beam scale or electric scale and see it indicate the change in weight. I think the scale is commonly over looked and it is all too critical.
 
#280
Re: 260 Rem

38.1 grains of Varget shoots bugholes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jig Stick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm looking for a 6.5x47 load using 140g Berger VLDs and/or R15 or Varget. Any help?</div></div>
 
#281
Re: Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tansinator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">38.1 grains of Varget shoots bugholes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jig Stick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm looking for a 6.5x47 load using 140g Berger VLDs and/or R15 or Varget. Any help?</div></div> </div></div>

Not saying it isn't a great load but, that seems hot for a 140gr. I would work up to that carefully.
 
#282
Re: Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

My bad, 38.1 grains 4350, sorry

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tansinator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">38.1 grains of Varget shoots bugholes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jig Stick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm looking for a 6.5x47 load using 140g Berger VLDs and/or R15 or Varget. Any help?</div></div> </div></div>

Not saying it isn't a great load but, that seems hot for a 140gr. I would work up to that carefully.

</div></div>
 
#283
Re: Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

I finally settled on 2 loads in my Savage LRP .260 Rem.
142gr SMK
OAL 2.850
44.5gr H4350
Win 7mm-08 brass
Federal match primers
2910fps avg
5 shot group in one ragged hole at 100yds


140gr VLD
41.5gr H4350
OAL 2.910
Win 7mm-08 brass
Federal match primers
2800fps avg
5 shot group in one ragged hole at 100yds
 
#285
Re: Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

My .260 Remington Load.

129 gr Matrix Ballistics VLD
39.2 gr Varget
Fed 210 Match primer
Remington Brass (Lapua brass just arrived)
OAL 2.80"
2906 fps


5 shots one hole at 100 Yards. .25 MOA at 300.
Savage factory action
Shilen Select Match 30" finished barrel.

Cases prepped, including flash hole de-burring, necks chamfered, primer pockets uniformed.
 
#287
Re: Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

need some help here. Got a 260 with a 1-8 twist rock creek. using nosler brass and SMK 142. my COAL is @ 2.210 and my o-give with the SMK is 2.210 with a chamber o-give max @ 2.300. thats @ .090 off from touching. does this seem about right?? i use the COAL of 2.210 to fit the mag leaving me about a .060 cushion.
 
#288
Re: Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiDavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking for an accurate load for 6.5x47 Lapua using H4350 and 142 SMKs and 130 Berger VLDs. Any help? </div></div>

6.5x47, 29.5" barrel, 8.5tw
41.6 gr of H4350
CCI 450
2.820 COAL, .005 off the lands and still fits in AI mags
.0025 neck tension
130 Berger
2840fps
No pressure on primer or brass.

Shot 3 shot group at 100 of .501 outside to outside at 8500da. Funny thing is the JLK's are exactly the same recipe and shot a 3 shot group at .391 outside to outside. I know, 3 shot group, was doing pressure development and only loaded 3 of each powder charge.
 
#289
Re: Loads for .260 /.243/ 6.5x47/6.5 Creedmoor

.260 AINA barrel chambered by Dave Tooley.
Bartlein 5R 26" 1:8.2" twist.

142 SMK
43.4 gr. H4350
Lapua brass
CCI BR-2
2.875" OAL to feed in AICS mags
142 SMK hits lands @ 2.940" OAL (0 rounds fired)
0.065" off lands

10 rounds over a chrono with virgin Lapua brass.
73* F, 78% H, 572' ASL, 1,800' DA, chrono @ 20' from muzzle.
Avg = 2,820, ES = 17, SD = 7.
Load shoots 1/2 MOA or better out to 1,000 yards so far.

I ran a seating depth test today (7/28/12) at 300 yards at nearly the same conditions and no chrono. The rifle shot what I thought was 0.055" off the lands the best. 0.5" vertical CTC for 4 shots, and I think I pulled the 5th shot up to make it 1.7" vertical CTC. The rifle now has 150 rounds through it, so I measured the lands. A 142 SMK hits the lands @ 2.942" OAL = 0.002" throat erosion after 150 rounds.

Current Load
142 SMK
43.4 gr. H4350
Lapua brass
CCI BR-2
2.885" OAL feeding in Alpha Type 2 mags
142 SMK hits lands @ 2.942" OAL (150 rounds fired)
0.057" off lands
 
#292
Re: Loads for .260

first time out with my .260

savage/stevens200
shilen select match 16" 1:8 varmint
ss recoil lug/barrel nut, sav1
SS 5-20

140g smk
win 260 brass
cci primer
43g H4350

140g smk
rem 7mm-08 brass
cci primer
43.5g H4350
slightly flat primer, no extractor marks.

no chrono yet.

but it shot awesome at 100/200 yards. bugholes
think i'll try 43.3g next time.
 
#294
Re: Loads for .260

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowe Left</div><div class="ubbcode-body">24" Benchmark 3-groove 1-8 twist
Necked down Win 7-08 brass
BR2 primer
43.4g H4350
139 Scenar
2825FPS (no signs of pressure)
2 firings, so far so good. </div></div>
Fast forward>>>
August 2012. Barrel now has 1850-ish on it.
Same components but 43.8gr H4350 gets me 2775fps. I'm at mag length so no more chasing lands...
 
#295
Re: Loads for .260

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maclowry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">win 260 brass
rem 7mm-08 brass
</div></div>

You got your win and rem reversed. Interested to see what velocities you're getting...
 
#296
Re: Loads for .260

GAP Built 6.5x47
24" Bartlein
8.5 twist

37.0 Varget
130 Berger VLD
Fed 205
.03" off the lands

2873 fps / 10 shot average
1/2 MOA (Usually under 1/2 MOA)
 
#298
Re: Loads for .260

My recent load:

Winchester 7mm-08 brass necked down, match prepped
CCI BR2 primer
43.8 grains of H4350
140 grain Sierra MK. Seated 2.3 inches to the ogive.
27 inch Obermeyer stainless 5R barrel
Defiance Machine Defender action
2888 FPS measured about 10 feet from muzzle

I tried seating bullets both .003 shorter, and .003 longer, and neither change made any appreciable difference.

Accuracy is just under .5 inch at 100 yards when I was having a moderately bad day. I suspect it was the shooter's fault that the ammo didn't shoot better.

Accuracy tried at 750 yards the other day...got a cold bore hit dead center windage wise, and about 2.5 inches above where I aimed. Second shot (not cold bore any more) was 1.25 inches to the left of the first one. I guess I didn't compensate enough for the upward angle to the target. But the load sure shoots great at that distance.
 
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