And they do a lot of dry fire and or do a lot of 100 yard positional
LOL do people actually shoot anymore?
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That's stooopid. If you only have a two hundred yard range....
The rest should be easy to figure out.
I get my ass kicked frequently by a guy that lives in Brooklyn and practices on a 200 yd range. The difference is he has drive and wants to win.
I had a hunting oriented shooter “instructor “ tell me PRS targets are just big targets and easy to hit.
Saturday local match had a 3” wide 600 yard target. Top shooter went 3/3 (really 9/9 it was. 3 small target hit to move stage )
Saturday local match had a 3” wide 600 yard target. Top shooter went 3/3 (really 9/9 it was. 3 small target hit to move stage )
Hey, I beat Sniper Elite 4 on the Nintendo Switch, and that oughtta count for something.
What distance are your matches? Type of match?
I am not saying that he doesn't kick your ass. I am saying that he's been there.
There's a lot of distance between 200 and 700 especially when the wind is blowing or mirage is crazy. But go ahead and tell me how "wants it more" is going to help someone that's never seen mirage at long distance or shifting wind.
I am not saying that he doesn't kick your ass. I am saying that he's been there.
I always find the "½ inch group at 500 with my 338" guy.
I'm like, OH WAOOWW!11!
What ammo?
What ballistic software? Cold bore? Field Firing Solutions?
Which model Kestrel do you use?
Etc
Etc
That guy tends to clam up real quick with a few pointed questions
Not to say I'm good or anything. I just don't feel the need to fabricate things to strangers. Most "gun guys" never meet an actual "gun guy" who's been paid to do shit with firearms since they were a kid. I have better hair anyway.
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That was what pulled up to the bench Sunday just as my friend and I were leaving.
100 yards and under a shed roof……fuck that.
Nah....I'm a solid amateur at shooting and fucking....but I am a pretty good driver.Every guy ever born thinks they are expert at shooting, driving, and fucking. Just ask them.
But do you need to have a level on your gun to do it?Ummmm, I don't shoot, but from what I read on SnipersHide, supposedly no one can shoot straight with Harris bipods-you need an Atlas.....Maybe that's why nobody believes you....
I’ll agree that gear in ten years has stepped up crazy.
The Sunday Fudd had me shooting his .22 Creedmoor in a chassis while I played with my wood stock M-40 LRI.
That’s the thing that gets me people that insist I shoot their guns.
For some reason “ Thanks I’m all set. Don’t want to find out I have to buy one” won’t work.
So I compliment their rifle try to be nice than it becomes begging “No you can shoot it! Here’s a full mag. Shoot my gun.”
Sometimes you just have to in order to make them stop and truth be told I like the free rounds but I don’t reciprocate. Offering Up my rifle is like “Why don’t you fuck my wife while I watch?”
How was that nice .22 ass?
I think alot of people want to shoot. Then when they do shoot their not as good as they think they are in their head. So they research and buy more gear. Shoot and still don't morph into ST6 or GSG 9 shooters, so they rinse and repeat.
I'm pretty blessed (location) that i have a great buddy with 1300 yards. 2200 if we shoot from the end of the driveway. I probably shot out to 1300 ten times last year at the least. Out to 1000 at least 30 times. Then was able to participate in 17 matches in 3 states.
I plan to shoot more then that this year. I'm still a middle/upper pack shooter. With my first 1st place a couple weeks ago.
I don't wanna think about shooting my guns. I wanna shoot my guns and gather dope, experience in the cartridge and muscle memory.
I'm pretty blessed (location) that i have a great buddy with 1300 yards. 2200 if we shoot from the end of the driveway. I probably shot out to 1300 ten times last year at the least. Out to 1000 at least 30 times. Then was able to participate in 17 matches in 3 states.
I plan to shoot more then that this year. I'm still a middle/upper pack shooter. With my first 1st place a couple weeks ago.
I don't wanna think about shooting my guns. I wanna shoot my guns and gather dope, experience in the cartridge and muscle memory.
When I went to the public range, I was the best shooter. Usually by far.
I am not a good shooter. (Ok maybe that's harsh, I am not a "top" shooter--there is much too learn).
Now I am local to a 1k range and on the waiting list for membership, shooting there at least monthly. Those guys can rock it for sure (and they make me feel young)--but you still hear a ton of BS.
As to the harris bipod--there was a time in ancient days where everyone had harris bipods and 308s. Before the dark times. Before the Creedmoors...
I am not a good shooter. (Ok maybe that's harsh, I am not a "top" shooter--there is much too learn).
Now I am local to a 1k range and on the waiting list for membership, shooting there at least monthly. Those guys can rock it for sure (and they make me feel young)--but you still hear a ton of BS.
As to the harris bipod--there was a time in ancient days where everyone had harris bipods and 308s. Before the dark times. Before the Creedmoors...
still got like 4 harris bipod's floating around on ar's and 22's. It's better then 2 sticks haha
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I've been shooting for a long time but I still have a lot to learn. I do shoot my 16" AR out to 1000 for fun once in a while. The thin air up here makes it a little easier.
A few years ago, a couple guys invited me to a range that has steel targets from 200 out to 1K. One of the guys had a Steyr SSG in 308 with a Nightforce ATACR. He shot it at 100 yards and was showing off his groups. I asked him if he wanted to shoot farther and I would spot for him. He looked at me like he had seen a ghost, started stammering about how he didn't know his dope for that ammo, etc. We ended up getting him on steel at 200, 300 and 500, then he stopped, said that was good enough for him and packed up.
A few years ago, a couple guys invited me to a range that has steel targets from 200 out to 1K. One of the guys had a Steyr SSG in 308 with a Nightforce ATACR. He shot it at 100 yards and was showing off his groups. I asked him if he wanted to shoot farther and I would spot for him. He looked at me like he had seen a ghost, started stammering about how he didn't know his dope for that ammo, etc. We ended up getting him on steel at 200, 300 and 500, then he stopped, said that was good enough for him and packed up.
I shot 308 for many years....
6.5 creedmoor makes you run faster, jump higher, and gives about 5 hp, amd 3 more mpg when running on ethanol-free 91 octane.
And my hair is better-er.
I used to like to go to the 50ft tin roofed pistol range with my 460s&w and surprise the 9mm crowd when I was a member at my local club. 3 shots usually was all it took to clear the place out.
Yeah but I think I still win A-hole of the year. Last year, I went to my 40 year high school reunion.
Man, there was a lot of old people there.
I still have my hair and it does not have gray in it. However, I was 6' 6" when I graduated high school in 1982. But life has worn me down to a shrimpy 6' 4". Though granted, some of that might have been due to weight. Dec 2021 I was up to 296 lbs. Now, I am down to an average of a dainty little 252 - 256 lbs.
Would add/agree that a good amount is probably just regurgitating things others have said without finding out for themselves or just not adding their 2 cents. Was at a PRS22 match Sunday morning. That night was with some friends and mentioned to a long time firearms owner about it. I know he's got handguns and maybe a rifle or two, but he was blown away with what a 22lr could do, that it went past 100 yards. Was honestly mind blown and was trying to figure out how the bullets worked. Showed him some pics.
Also, as mentioned already, people like doing the things they're good at. Feels good, attainable goals. So when given out there things and chances to get uncomfortable most won't go for it.
Also, as mentioned already, people like doing the things they're good at. Feels good, attainable goals. So when given out there things and chances to get uncomfortable most won't go for it.
Ever since I was 16 years old and shot a crow on a tree branch at 140 yards with a borrowed Ross rifle
while deer hunting with two much older friends I knew I was going to like this shooting shit.
And I still love it and shoot every chance I get. And yea I was shocked more than they were that I actually hit that unlucky bird that day.
while deer hunting with two much older friends I knew I was going to like this shooting shit.
And I still love it and shoot every chance I get. And yea I was shocked more than they were that I actually hit that unlucky bird that day.
Your lessons missed a very important part: Neither the student or the instructor should talk about what they re doing. Those lessons are private, and are part of a very personal relationship. The result you have already explained, calls of "BS, Can't be done, Not out there, you can't...ad Nauseum". Do it, shut up about it. It's not a subject for open discussion. It's nobody's business.
I try to hit the range at least twice a month because the only way to get better is do it. It's cold and wet at the moment (and I'm a pussy) so I'm shooting pistols at an indoor range and continue to learn why a handgun is the last weapon I'd want to have to rely upon in a life or death situation.
They never were sniper rifles… they’re anti-matériel rifles. Meaning they need to hit “minute of expensive piece of equipment” at long distances.
3 MOA (1 mil for those that don’t habla) is plenty good for a $3 API round to take out a $40,000 truck, a $400,000 electronic gee gaw, a $4,000,000 missile or a $40,000,000 jet.
Economic attrition has its place!
Sadly, bad Charlie Sheen Seal movies and not-so-bad EOD movies… tried to turn the M82 into a sniper rifle. It’s not.
Still fun to shoot, though!
Sirhr
I didn’t do any shooting this weekend
I have a Harris on my rem 700 tactical in .223. Fud hogue stock and all. I shoot it the most. But it doesn’t have a “cool” scope, just a SWFA 10x. But I’ve hit prairie dogs at 650 with it. I don’t do much range shooting anymore. Too many two legged creatures that know everything and tell me a .223 wil not shoot past 200 yards.
I shoot twice a week on the weekends. Limited to 9mm handguns and PDW's until I get my first AR built out this May. I'm working on being an excellent shot at 100 yards, though I'm only decent at 50 yards. I have a long ways to go. I'll be using my 22 LR 10/22 soon though which has me excited.
We must’ve been in the same weight class… loved being the heavyweight. Van load of pissed off guys trying to cut 20 lbs by any means necessary??? Yeah I’m mowing Down a meatball sub in the front passenger seat.Where you get my wrestling pics?
Always flex.
I've been training someone for roughly the last year while they were recovering from a back surgery and couldn't really shoot comfortably. He had wanted to get into it more seriously and we came up with a plan where we'd get together twice a week and I'd go through everything. I honestly thought I'd burn him out because it was a ton of work, learning and constant improvement on things you can't just YouTube (well you can, but they're mostly totally fucking wrong and/or Fudd level).
He had a bolt gun and nice Vortex scope beforehand, and shot a bit but was soon as I asked him how he adjusted for the huge temperature swings or the gigantic differences in DA from day to day we get out here and he just looked at me, I knew we were starting from the bottom. Which was actually kind of ideal.
So for months, we went over basics and built onto them. I had a mapped out plan of what we'd do, what we'd learn and how to use it based on what you should now know. He went from never even having data to knowing how to set everything up and take specific notes for the day and position we were in. He can spot and set up first round hits, immediate adjustments, get you on new targets, make decisions, has a very good understanding of how wind works and tricks you and communicates information as good as anyone I've ever had to do this with. He understands equipment selection based on the mission, gear layouts, options depending on what we're doing, basically everything. I still get random texts and calls from him studying things during the week and asking questions. And I thought I'd burn him out at the start.
All of this after roughly a year.
I had him learn everything while I used a 22LR and we started on targets at around 100-175 and then moved on to 22 sized targets at 250 out to 300. Then I started bringing out my Mk12Mod1 to mix things up and go much further. The first time he saw what a 77g round could do, to his amazement as he was under the impression you couldn't get far with 5.56, he put together a parts list and built a Mod0.
So whats my point in this?
He knows and works with a ton of 'gun people' that 'shoot alot'. Some are even the 'I shot a .5 group at a mile' types.
Anyone that he has ever told what we are doing as far as equipment and hits thinks he is 110% full of shit.
22LR with consistent hits at 200+? Fucking impossible.
5.56 at 712 yards on a 60% IPSC going 4/5 or 5/5? No fucking way. (literally did this yesterday to the point it got boring
Doing all of this in crazy southern Utah desert winds in canyons? You're a fucking liar.
What is this with people? I see this trend more and more. EVERYONE has a gun and/or a 'sniper rifle' and has all sorts of stories. Then when people actually do things, people literally lose their minds trying to prove to you how a 77g 5.56 round 'looses too much energy' to even go 700 yards LOL
Does anyone actually fucking shoot anymore or does everyone just buy shit and play Tactical Mr.Potatohead with gun accessories for pictures? Anytime I've had anyone out there (if theyd even show up) theyd be a total shit show but have like 8k worth of shit on their custom gun. WTF people?
And for those that are interested, the Mk12Mod1 I have (because I know you're going to ask):
Colt M16A1 lower US gov marked
KAC trigger
HCS built Colt upper with the Mk12 chamber
Douglas barrel
Ops Inc suppressor
Nightforce NAVSPEC 2.5-10x24 (second run version so it is mil/mil)
Nightforce rings
Wilcox MRDS ring half
Insight MRDS
Harris bipod
Wilcox RAPTAR
I shoot McCourt Munitions MK262 that he made specifically for this chamber/gun.
It's not just shooting, people don't like being reminded of their own shortcomings so it must be lie because they can't do it (they could if they would put in the work).
Me to.
I had planned to start playing some form of a "long range" game last year, but "life" got in the way. New zero turn, new standby generator for the house ate all the "gun money".
I quit playing some of the other games I played, PPC and the like. I just can't move like I once did. I never really cared about times, but I am getting a little "wobbly" and wobbly around with a loaded gun in your paw I don't think is a real good idea, so I stopped that. I tried a couple other "stay put" games but they did not really excite me. Small bore silhouette is fun, one spot, and the guns are pretty light, good thing for a guy with nerve damage in his left side. But I get real shakey (not unsafe) just not accurate after the second set of 5. So I do that now and again. Really now at home and off a bench. A bench small bore silhouette would be fun, or large, reduce the targets and I think it would still be a challenge.
Now I am second guessing going down this "long range" road. It is hard to even pick up a friends "chassis rifle", dog those things weigh a ton.
Not sure what I will do, buy a rifle and just have fun doing my own thing. I really liked the idea of that (I think) NRL hunter game where you don't know where or what distance the targets are at, but to carry all your crap, non starter I doubt I could carry the rifle.
Not sure what I am going to do. But I still enjoy shooting.
All that babble is to lead into don't let it stop you. You might need to change. Rimfire, or even air rifle, however some PCP rifles are porkers as well. There is a fun game called field target for air rifles, and it is a little like the game I talked about above. The distances are naturally shorter, but you don't know them. And you need to shoot them from different positions. Most air rifle clubs are fairly informal, so if you can't get down like that you can stand. I even saw a guy in one of those tracked wheel chairs at a match several years ago.
You can do it.
Harris one major benefit is folding up slimmer than other bipods. Nice for truck/equipment rifles that go in and out of tight cases
At our club we have a "public sight in day" right before deer season. They always asked for people to "work" the event. My wife and I are suckers.....err yea......suckers, so we always did it. The wife did the class sessions, and she was darn good at it. I worked the line.
I have told lots of stories on the events there, but right before my first surgery and I had to stop all that on my feet a new type of shooter started to show up. Women.
You are so right about that. Add to that the "macho" that others have talked about, and the more "tribal" tattoos a person had you would know the more issues you would have with them. You know I find it amazing that everyone in the military is always a rifleman, no one pushes paper.....funny how that is........anyhoo......
Women where a pure joy to work with. They would listen, and you could really help them. Pull it in tight, lean into it. You all know every new shooter always has "sway back", and leaning back. They start off on the "back foot" so to speak.
I really liked teaching people that wanted to learn. I don't know everything, but I do know a thing or two. I can help if you let me.
So much of it is also looks. I don't look like I "should". No delta beard, no ball cap with the perfect bend, no camo pants. Skinny little dude that can't possibly know what I am talking about.
That little guy over there sure acts like he knows what he is doing.....little prick.
He is the second best shooter in the club, gone to state every year and refuses to go any farther as it is "too far to drive".
That little twerp
Yup that little twerp, if a bullet comes out the end for some reason he can shoot it well.
Too busy placing concrete everyday to shoot! I've got some bow kills....quite a bit actually!
It’s way easier to buy cool stuff and talk shit than work at the grind for a couple years. He is lucky to have a coach/mentor that can pick out the 1 or 2 best ways to do something rather than burning months of practice and $K in ammo and components to learn on his own which 4-5 options to discard. Was it Emil Praslick the AMU guy that told his new team members not to tell other competitors how short their comp training had been? Quality, succinct instruction really speeds up the timeline of improvement for shooters that work hard.
Shooting is one thing, shooting with purpose is another thing, practice for competition, self defense or hunting. Too many people just want to hear the gun go boom. I always have a plan when I shoot, i.e. what am I working on today. One of the guys I work with bought a Ruger precision rifle, came in after his day off and said, I shot my rifle yesterday . I asked him how he did that, since I had the scope he was buying from me to go on it. He said I just shot it into the berm about 10 times, just to hear it go boom.
That’s Bob, Bob says that you smell like Cheetos, WalMart Sauerkraut and fatness and that you are afraid of soft tacos and parade Karens.
I currently have a fucked up back and am awaiting surgery if I can find a surgeon that doesn't have an 18 month backlog... I have been getting out as much as I can. It's tough, I can't walk so well currently but I still work on drills and fundamentals and do the long range stuff. I was out this past Sunday. 4300' in high 30's and basically shooting in the cloud. It was wet, windy, muddy and overall miserable without proper gear. Still did high and low ready drills, Bill drills, transitions, all on modified A zone targets (about 1/3 size) from 7-50 yards. We limited to 50 yards because of the fog like conditions we simply could not see the targets further than that.
My buddies can run around and I just limp along. Getting up from prone sucks, getting down into prone is even tougher. I just go slow and it works. I just hurt like hell the next day(s).
My buddies can run around and I just limp along. Getting up from prone sucks, getting down into prone is even tougher. I just go slow and it works. I just hurt like hell the next day(s).
Click the link. Some don't want to deal with bullshit often.
Glad I don't have to put up with it.
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Glad I don't have to put up with it.
Stupid Fudd range rules?
It has come to my attention that there are ranges with really stupid rules? Having been born and raised in Wyoming, 90% of my shooting has been public lands, ie not a range. Now that I live in Cheyenne, very little public lands, it necessitated that I join a range, out west of town is a great...
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I got a good friend who is a member here that runs a Harris.
I have seen more cold bore hits at 975 yds on a 1/2 gallon jug from him than any other shooter.
Not a clone.
Yes. And fast deployment.
There is a reason I keep 3 of em around.
Not every guy shoots or cares to learn. But, EVERY guy thinks he’s an ass kicker.
Driving, fighting, and fucking. No training required. Just born with it.
But, I’ll put shooting down as a subsection of fighting.
I drive more than I’d like and fuck less than I’d like. But, BJJ class 3x per week gives me some perspective on who can and cannot defend themselves.
Whatever it is, get off the internet and go DO it. And stay away from the guys that talk a lot. They’re not doing shit.
Driving, fighting, and fucking. No training required. Just born with it.
But, I’ll put shooting down as a subsection of fighting.
I drive more than I’d like and fuck less than I’d like. But, BJJ class 3x per week gives me some perspective on who can and cannot defend themselves.
Whatever it is, get off the internet and go DO it. And stay away from the guys that talk a lot. They’re not doing shit.
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