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Lol, Trump is actually going to win.

This may have been posted elsewhere, but I found this poll data fascinating:

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20-30% of DEMOCRATS think it is very likely the election wasn't fair and/or setup to favor biden.

o_Oo_Oo_O
 
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Places change, and their people along with them. The founders would have been kicked out of the Ivy league had they been in it for the past 10 years. Just like JFK would have been kicked out of the Democrat party if he were to revisit it over the past 10 years. A person at Harvard in the early years of this nation would not only have been a scholar of the bible, but spoke it in biblical Hebrew. The average Harvard grad today detests the values of the Bible, and probably couldn't name most of the major characters in that book.

"Ivy" league guy here. I break your above generalization if it makes you feel better.
 
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Places change, and their people along with them. The founders would have been kicked out of the Ivy league had they been in it for the past 10 years. Just like JFK would have been kicked out of the Democrat party if he were to revisit it over the past 10 years. A person at Harvard in the early years of this nation would not only have been a scholar of the bible, but spoke it in biblical Hebrew. The average Harvard grad today detests the values of the Bible, and probably couldn't name most of the major characters in that book.

Sigh...I think you missed my point....

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No one is gonna spoon feed you the answers. The machine manipulation is a complicated subject. The obvious fraud is obvious, and you need only look at the actions being taken by the courts and other .gov types, as well as the endless supply of testimonies, to get a decent picture of how it all went down.
first of all, i voted for trump and of course wished he had won. and if there is fraud to the extent that it made him lose, then i hope that is brought to light and he is ruled the victor.

the problem is that the answers NEED to be spoon fed. you don't win in court just by saying there was massive fraud. you win by presenting actual evidence, actual transactions, etc. pretty sure if trump or anyone else had actual material evidence he'd be spouting that actual evidence on twitter etc and not just generically claiming 'massive fraud.'
 
first of all, i voted for trump and of course wished he had won. and if there is fraud to the extent that it made him lose, then i hope that is brought to light and he is ruled the victor.

the problem is that the answers NEED to be spoon fed. you don't win in court just by saying there was massive fraud. you win by presenting actual evidence, actual transactions, etc. pretty sure if trump or anyone else had actual material evidence he'd be spouting that actual evidence on twitter etc and not just generically claiming 'massive fraud.'

I recon that is why they are trying to get their day in court. Going public with evidence before then can cause multiple problems.
 
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Election is over. Move on.
Can you show me where this alleged election is actually happened regarding voting for president?

Hint: the electors have not voted. Further, the process that allow them to vote has been called into question. Even if they do get to the point where they vote, still not over... VP has to agree. If he doesn't accept it then it goes to basically Phase 2.

And for those claiming the Trump is losing in court, not really. The judges are simply not allowing the evidence to be presented. That is not the same thing as no evidence has been presented.
 
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Exactly. These cases will not be tried before the media, and nor should they be tried before a few members here.

We have to trust that POTUS has our best interests at heart, and has strategized with his legal teams accordingly.

I recon that is why they are trying to get their day in court. Going public with evidence before then can cause multiple problems.
 
first of all, i voted for trump and of course wished he had won. and if there is fraud to the extent that it made him lose, then i hope that is brought to light and he is ruled the victor.

the problem is that the answers NEED to be spoon fed. you don't win in court just by saying there was massive fraud. you win by presenting actual evidence, actual transactions, etc. pretty sure if trump or anyone else had actual material evidence he'd be spouting that actual evidence on twitter etc and not just generically claiming 'massive fraud.'
I think the distribution platform(s) might be an issue.....
 
Who has the proof of mass fraud? The election precincts. Trump goes to court claiming fraud. Brings data supporting and stacks of affidavits affirming fraud. Courts say there's no proof; go away. He cannot get the hard proof if the cases are thrown out. The people that committed the fraud aren't just going to hand it over without court orders.

I hope for the best, but realize if we're thinking the courts / legal system will do their job, we haven't been paying attention. It's all corrupted to the core. If anyone knows of a way to straiten that out that doesn't look like 1861, let's hear it. Otherwise...
 
Who has the proof of mass fraud? The election precincts. Trump goes to court claiming fraud. Brings data supporting and stacks of affidavits affirming fraud. Courts say there's no proof; go away. He cannot get the hard proof if the cases are thrown out. The people that committed the fraud aren't just going to hand it over without court orders.

I hope for the best, but realize if we're thinking the courts / legal system will do their job, we haven't been paying attention. It's all corrupted to the core. If anyone knows of a way to straiten that out that doesn't look like 1861, let's hear it. Otherwise...
If President Trumps team has the evidence in hand, then it would be a hedge against the court systems corruption. Go through the process, and if denied proper redress, THEN present it to the public.
 
There were more total votes cast.

So a guy that couldnt excite more than a couple dozen people to show up to hear him speak in person all the sudden drives people to the polls to support him in greatest ever numbers?

Trump is amazing than.......He not only drove the highest numbers to not only vote FOR him but to vote AGAINST him......all while pushing 27 or so Republican congress creatures into the winners circle that he himself was denied?

I think the difference is the fake votes that had to be pulled from thin air to overcome the massive amount of votes Trump got.

Trumps huge margin caught the fraud machine off guard which is why we had the vote counts stop, resulting in the spiked entries.

At most they expected Trump to be 3-5% ahead of Biden. Trump would never get more votes than Obama.......they were wrong.
 
If President Trumps team has the evidence in hand, then it would be a hedge against the court systems corruption. Go through the process, and if denied proper redress, THEN present it to the public.


If they dont have the evidence in hand they are fucking stupid and he will be going to jail.
 
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People much smarter than I have been calling (worrying) about this mob-rule shit for centuries. Most notably, de Tocqueville, who talked about Tyranny of the Majority in his Democracy in America.

Democracies were thought vulnerable to majority tyranny in two distinct forms. Firstly, tyranny that operates through the formal procedures of government. Tocqueville drew attention to this scenario, wherein “politically speaking, the people have a right to do anything”.

Alternatively, the majority might exercise moral or social tyranny through the power of public opinion and custom. Tocqueville lamented this new form of “democratic despotism”. He was concerned about the potential abandonment of rationality if a claim to rule is based upon numbers, and “not upon rightness or excellence”.

It's amazing that men like him and others in those days called themselves Liberals. Tocqueville and John Stuart Mill both strongly railed for individual liberty, separation of powers and limits on government. "Liberals" today are straight up Communists.


Liberals have Orwelled the understanding of Democracy.

The lay person views Democracy as a positive thing where the common man gets his vote.

The Communist and the Constitutional Conservative both understand the true meaning of "Democracy".......its mob rule that takes away the protections of law as applied in our Constitution to protect the Individual from the application of Force by numbers.

Id look to John Locke and later Jefferson for Freedom.
 
Fox reports today that Trump says he will run for again next time meaning he expects defeat


They are picking up on anything he says as a sign of surrender.

If he says he is planning a family vacation this summer its a sign he wont be President.

Im not crazy......things look grim.......but I dont think Trump is one to go fetal ala EVERY OTHER PRIOR REPUBLICAN HERETOFORE..............

Trump is a fighter, we need him, get the info out....but it will take peaceful people in the streets to starve the leviathan.
 
lets say there is actual hard/printed/sufficient evidence of massive fraud not a few votes here or there

i understand that the courts will do their job bla bla bla

i understand that you dont drop evidence publicly because the court will not allow its use

the only way something will happen is if all the docs are dumped like wikileaks

all the cloak and dagger stuff will take months if not longer

by then trump is out of office and is not getting back in

the SC will never remove a sitting president EVER regardless how fraudulent, its just not going to happen

they keep saying how the constitution does not allow governors to do what they did, it doesnt have to they will find some case law that has been tried which will serve as the basis
and if they over rule that case law all decisions made using that case law will now be retried, its a long sloppy road

by june trump is on twitter everyday and no one is going to listen, its happening already the news left and right are not covering him as much

wait until hes not president anymore, youll never see him again

all this info that the guliani team says they have has to be leaked, just like "Russia hoax"

week by week there were leaks of fake information, so much so that congress impeached him

thats the way things happen in the US today

they need to give trump a piece of paper showing a guys name voting 200 times in Philadelphia and that guy on tv saying he only voted once.

with that actual piece of paper trump yells on TV everyday and gets traction

no paper...nothing will happen

maybe a few senators get indicted for taxes of taking money from china if they can really get a direct payment, but they arent going to jail or being removed from office anytime soon. how many politicians are caught with taxes etc and served several more terms

the american public needs a "picture" to retweet text to each other, that will get the wheels turning

if they arent turning in 1-2 weeks max, all this will make a great book in 2027 how the election was a fraud
 
As I understand it, all that has to happen is for the GOP to contest the vote, based on fraud or whatever. Then it goes to a vote, one per state. SCOTUS doesn't have to get involved, and it may be, why they haven't (yet).
 
so if there is evidence that the election was stolen, and it goes to the SC, and they rule in favor of trump......that is bad for legitimacy?

a legal ruling based on evidence is bad for legitimacy?

so its much better to have an illegitimate govt for the sake of "legitimacy"...?

are you seriously fucking retarded?

i really dont know why you are such a dick hopper for "public opinion".....the public is retarded......you can have video evidence of joe biden groping children.....but so long as the media goes "no he wasnt groping her, he was just giving her a 'strong embrace' " they will believe it.....


hell, biden is on video claiming he has the most "extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in history"......and the media literally came out and said "oooooh no, thats not what he really meant".......and people just forgot about it.

who ya gonna believe, me or your lying eyes.


jesus just look at all the riots from police shootings.....a cop is not charged when he shoots an armed man trying to kill them.....and the "court of public opinion" riots and burns down cities.......should we send innocent cops to prison to appease the mob?.......fuck there is video evidence proving their innocence, and they still riot.
Is this still available?
 
Which is why I believe he has what he needs to charge right through this whole process.


Strong evidence has been presented.

Enough circumstantial evidence = reasonable suspicion = probable cause.

Fulfill the prongs, articulate the case.

Its veracity has not been tested.

Weird thing in all this is I have not seen any Communist data refuting the pro fraud evidence.

The commie defense is basically "Fuck you, shut up! Concede!"

Get this shit in court.

Have both sides present their evidence.

Lets see which side has the more compelling position under a reasonableness standard.
 
first of all, i voted for trump and of course wished he had won. and if there is fraud to the extent that it made him lose, then i hope that is brought to light and he is ruled the victor.

the problem is that the answers NEED to be spoon fed. you don't win in court just by saying there was massive fraud. you win by presenting actual evidence, actual transactions, etc. pretty sure if trump or anyone else had actual material evidence he'd be spouting that actual evidence on twitter etc and not just generically claiming 'massive fraud.'

This is happening. In PA. In AZ, Tomorrow in NV.

The information/evidence hasn't been given to the media on purpose. They have proven to be enemies of our Republic and cannot be trusted to use the information correctly. They twist everything to fit the communist agenda. Just look at how they misquoted Barr. Just because your not seeing it on CNN/MSNBC/FAUX/ABC/CBS/NBC does not mean it's not happening. This is a battle for our Republic, and you don't give the enemy your battle plans. They (the media) will find out when we find out... and even then, they will twist the story to make it sound like Trump cheated and stole the election from Biden.
 
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Who has the proof of mass fraud? The election precincts. Trump goes to court claiming fraud. Brings data supporting and stacks of affidavits affirming fraud. Courts say there's no proof; go away. He cannot get the hard proof if the cases are thrown out. The people that committed the fraud aren't just going to hand it over without court orders.

I hope for the best, but realize if we're thinking the courts / legal system will do their job, we haven't been paying attention. It's all corrupted to the core. If anyone knows of a way to straiten that out that doesn't look like 1861, let's hear it. Otherwise...


There's actually a couple of other options, even if SCOTUS fucks us. They're less guaranteed, but states are nevertheless moving in that direction.

The state legislatures can drop a nuke. At the time this article was written, this was actually a pretty accurate article.

Today, however, PA, AZ, and MI are moving in that direction. In MI today at 6PM, I think Giuliani's testimony will have the possibility of determining whether or not they invoke that nuclear option.

 
I’m not sure people really realize how much is really happening if your not actually following closely. There are already multiple briefs at the Supreme Court for consideration.

Here is just one, at the SCOTUS, in support of a case filed by PA GOP.

For those saying nothing is happening, nothing going to happen... we are as quick to this entire thing turning as Justice Alito (reviewing this one snd three others) to say..”.valid...”, PA election violated constitution... and it all blows up.

...ohhh.. but the “news” didn’t tell you there were cases at SCOTUS right now.. so probably not true.. other than it’s from the actual SCOTUS direct web site.


 
the SC will never remove a sitting president EVER regardless how fraudulent, its just not going to happen

Never say Never!

by june trump is on twitter everyday and no one is going to listen, its happening already the news left and right are not covering him as much

Are you surprised? have you listened to the Project Veritas tapes? Its a concerted effort of the Media. The Media acting as a propaganda arm of the communists should piss us off as much as the election fuckery.

wait until hes not president anymore, youll never see him again

72 million people disagree.
 
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Some may say "oh that's just 2 votes. What's the big deal?"

2 out of 100.... A 2% fraud.... and Trump "lost" by.. 1.5% or so in AZ?

Idk... math and shit.

0.3%, good buddy! 2% fraud reversed gives Trump 51% of the vote.

Or, at the very least, drops Biden down by 2% or so.
 
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0.3%, good buddy! 2% fraud removed gives Trump 51% of the vote.


That was the intended result the whole time......have Trump lose by a small percent.

They didnt count on Trumps big turnout and it fucked up the algorithm causing them to resort to having to create the ballots to match the results.

They couldnt point to Bidens 5 trailer loads of votes and say "Winner!" as they sat parked next to Trumps 10 trailer loads.
 
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That was the intended result the whole time......have Trump lose by a small percent.

They didnt count on Trumps big turnout and it fucked up the algorithm causing them to resort to having to create the ballots to match the results.

They couldnt point to Bidens 5 trailer loads of votes and say "Winner!" as they sat parked next to Trumps 10 trailer loads.

I agree with the premise, but the substance is a bit off from what I understand.

In states with actual ballots you need to:

1.) Manipulate the vote to give your guy the win
2.) Back that win up with ballots
3.) Not get caught

3 obviously didn't happen, but 1 and 2 were going to have to play out one way or another, hence the very awkward pause in counting, and one that ostensibly was a result of a water leak. (Spoiler alert: Sidney Powell has security camera footage of that night in GA, and there was no water leak, and some brave souls stayed behind after everyone else was skedaddled, who kept counting fucking ballots til 1AM)

I would argue that, if anything, they were actually pretty well prepared for Trump's actual turnout. They had plenty of ballots this time. Last time, not so much.
 
I agree with the premise, but the substance is a bit off from what I understand.

In states with actual ballots you need to:

1.) Manipulate the vote to give your guy the win
2.) Back that win up with ballots
3.) Not get caught

3 obviously didn't happen, but 1 and 2 were going to have to play out one way or another, hence the very awkward pause in counting, and one that ostensibly was a result of a water leak. (Spoiler alert: Sidney Powell has security camera footage of that night in GA, and there was no water leak, and some brave souls stayed behind after everyone else was skedaddled, who kept counting fucking ballots til 1AM)

I would argue that, if anything, they were actually pretty well prepared for Trump's actual turnout. They had plenty of ballots this time. Last time, not so much.


Well Dominion has the capability to print ballots from the PDF according to what is out there.

There certainly was an "Oh shit!" moment.

On Fox Business Neil Cavuto was down like someone had shot his puppy at 1030 in the evening....he was sad the pre election polls were wrong as evidenced by Trumps big leads in must win Biden states......

Expecting we would be going to bed about 2300 or so (remember we work) the intent was we would go to bed seeing Biden leading by a thin margin or Trump winning by a thin margin.

That way on waking in the morning there would be no shock.

Waking up seeing 10% leads eliminated was shocking.

and to the vote count curve.....resulted in vote dumping spikes they had hoped to avoid.
 
Well Dominion has the capability to print ballots from the PDF according to what is out there.

There certainly was an "Oh shit!" moment.

On Fox Business Neil Cavuto was down like someone had shot his puppy at 1030 in the evening....he was sad the pre election polls were wrong as evidenced by Trumps big leads in must win Biden states......
It was one of those, "I don't fucking care what you have to do, fucking do it!" moments, for sure.
 
Please remember that trolln' will increase as the election fiasco heats up.

Trolls will gravitate to obvious bs news in an attempt to derail discussion. They will attack people not the info. They will conflate the growing testimony/evidence to the obvious (and sometime intentional) fake news in an attempt to discredit.

They will work in teams...I am sure you have seen this behavior.

Lastly, they will use terms like "overturn the results" ect, in an attempt undermine the growing discontent.

That is all. Carry on.
 
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Well Dominion has the capability to print ballots from the PDF according to what is out there.

There certainly was an "Oh shit!" moment.

On Fox Business Neil Cavuto was down like someone had shot his puppy at 1030 in the evening....he was sad the pre election polls were wrong as evidenced by Trumps big leads in must win Biden states......

Expecting we would be going to bed about 2300 or so (remember we work) the intent was we would go to bed seeing Biden leading by a thin margin or Trump winning by a thin margin.

That way on waking in the morning there would be no shock.

Waking up seeing 10% leads eliminated was shocking.

and to the vote count curve.....resulted in vote dumping spikes they had hoped to avoid.
No doubt that they saw the machines of the communist (Dominion, ES&S, etc, etc) could not make up the difference and then injected Plan B into the loop but were overzealous and put in an step function of votes instead of sliding them in here and there which would have been at the noise level. There is ZERO doubt this election is on the cusp of being stolen, not from republicants, but We the People!!!!

Certainly if this was a grand jury, this would already be in the courtroom. There is beyond enough evidence to get to court; and, in my opinion as a former jurist, plenty to convict/overturn as well.
 
0.3%, good buddy! 2% fraud reversed gives Trump 51% of the vote.

Or, at the very least, drops Biden down by 2% or so.
I don’t math guud.

But give me a patient that needs a Dopamine drip and bad guy 1000 yards away... I'll whip out a microgram per kilogram per minute dose for their cardiac condition and a solid elevation come-up and wind call.

🤣😂🤣😂
 
Not doing your job is the same as doing the work of the Communists.

Failure to act, when its your duty to do so, in the face of wrong makes you as guilty as those committing the crime.
Barr is swamp, I've been saying it for over a year. He drug his feet, played the "It takes time to put a case together" ruse and ran out the clock managing to not indict anyone in a field where everyone is criminal openly committing felonies and acts of treason.

He put the DOJ to sleep and occupied a position that could have otherwise been filled by a real, productive AG.

And thats just what his fellow deep state globalists told him to do.
 
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Barr is swamp, I've been saying it for over a year. He drug his feet, played the "It takes time to put a case together" tactic and ran out the clock managing to not indict anyone in a field where everyone is criminal openly committing felonies and acts of treason.

He put the DOJ to sleep and occupied a position that could have otherwise been filled by a real, productive AG.

And thats just what his fellow deep state globalists told him to do.
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You are 100% correct.
 
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The latter statement is incorrect. The Divine Right claim was what made the crown legitimate to uneducated masses who had been subjugated and ruled by religion for centuries.

As to the other, I agree that the foundations of the Constitution are classical, with a good dose of Enlightenment, but the truth remains that, like the King's right, the ability of the constitution to remain the law of the land is dependent on its popular legitimacy. Without that it becomes meaningless, no matter how exquisite a document it might be. Like it or not, there is sometimes a balancing act in maintaining its power.
Constitution is not dependent on popular legitimacy...
All the constitution needs is young men to take a oath and old men to honor their oath.
 
This is happening. In PA. In AZ, Tomorrow in NV.

The information/evidence hasn't been given to the media on purpose. They have proven to be enemies of our Republic and cannot be trusted to use the information correctly. They twist everything to fit the communist agenda. Just look at how they misquoted Barr. Just because your not seeing it on CNN/MSNBC/FAUX/ABC/CBS/NBC does not mean it's not happening. This is a battle for our Republic, and you don't give the enemy your battle plans. They (the media) will find out when we find out... and even then, they will twist the story to make it sound like Trump cheated and stole the election from Biden.
Here's hoping you are right!!! And yes you are def right about the press... Amazing and sickening the slant they put on some stuff.
 
Constitution is not dependent on popular legitimacy...
All the constitution needs is young men to take a oath and old men to honor their oath.
The whole idea of constitutional government is that it depends on the consent of the governed. It literally depends on popular legitimacy. What exactly has happened to civic education in this country. It's like the second line of the Declaration of Independence. "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
 
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The whole idea of constitutional government is that it depends on the consent of the governed. It literally depends on popular legitimacy. What exactly has happened to civic education in this country. It's like the second line of the Declaration of Independence. "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
For the love of God don't breed.

The constitution isn't voided because 51% of the country agreed on something.
 
Do you speak Hebrew when you talk about the Bible?

Studied the interface of hebrew, greek, and aramaic through the lens of both OT and NT in ancient religion course, but no I cannot speak hebrew.

I was primarily responding to this generalization:

The average Harvard grad today detests the values of the Bible, and probably couldn't name most of the major characters in that book.