The same could be said for a Fordham University and Wharton School of Business grad.......
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The same could be said for a Fordham University and Wharton School of Business grad.......
This may have been posted elsewhere, but I found this poll data fascinating:
20-30% of DEMOCRATS think it is very likely the election wasn't fair and/or setup to favor biden.
20-30% of DEMOCRATS think it is very likely the election wasn't fair and/or setup to favor biden.
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"Ivy" league guy here. I break your above generalization if it makes you feel better.
first of all, i voted for trump and of course wished he had won. and if there is fraud to the extent that it made him lose, then i hope that is brought to light and he is ruled the victor.
the problem is that the answers NEED to be spoon fed. you don't win in court just by saying there was massive fraud. you win by presenting actual evidence, actual transactions, etc. pretty sure if trump or anyone else had actual material evidence he'd be spouting that actual evidence on twitter etc and not just generically claiming 'massive fraud.'
I recon that is why they are trying to get their day in court. Going public with evidence before then can cause multiple problems.
Can you show me where this alleged election is actually happened regarding voting for president?
Hint: the electors have not voted. Further, the process that allow them to vote has been called into question. Even if they do get to the point where they vote, still not over... VP has to agree. If he doesn't accept it then it goes to basically Phase 2.
And for those claiming the Trump is losing in court, not really. The judges are simply not allowing the evidence to be presented. That is not the same thing as no evidence has been presented.
Exactly. These cases will not be tried before the media, and nor should they be tried before a few members here.
We have to trust that POTUS has our best interests at heart, and has strategized with his legal teams accordingly.
We have to trust that POTUS has our best interests at heart, and has strategized with his legal teams accordingly.
Who has the proof of mass fraud? The election precincts. Trump goes to court claiming fraud. Brings data supporting and stacks of affidavits affirming fraud. Courts say there's no proof; go away. He cannot get the hard proof if the cases are thrown out. The people that committed the fraud aren't just going to hand it over without court orders.
I hope for the best, but realize if we're thinking the courts / legal system will do their job, we haven't been paying attention. It's all corrupted to the core. If anyone knows of a way to straiten that out that doesn't look like 1861, let's hear it. Otherwise...
I hope for the best, but realize if we're thinking the courts / legal system will do their job, we haven't been paying attention. It's all corrupted to the core. If anyone knows of a way to straiten that out that doesn't look like 1861, let's hear it. Otherwise...
If President Trumps team has the evidence in hand, then it would be a hedge against the court systems corruption. Go through the process, and if denied proper redress, THEN present it to the public.
So a guy that couldnt excite more than a couple dozen people to show up to hear him speak in person all the sudden drives people to the polls to support him in greatest ever numbers?
Trump is amazing than.......He not only drove the highest numbers to not only vote FOR him but to vote AGAINST him......all while pushing 27 or so Republican congress creatures into the winners circle that he himself was denied?
I think the difference is the fake votes that had to be pulled from thin air to overcome the massive amount of votes Trump got.
Trumps huge margin caught the fraud machine off guard which is why we had the vote counts stop, resulting in the spiked entries.
At most they expected Trump to be 3-5% ahead of Biden. Trump would never get more votes than Obama.......they were wrong.
Liberals have Orwelled the understanding of Democracy.
The lay person views Democracy as a positive thing where the common man gets his vote.
The Communist and the Constitutional Conservative both understand the true meaning of "Democracy".......its mob rule that takes away the protections of law as applied in our Constitution to protect the Individual from the application of Force by numbers.
Id look to John Locke and later Jefferson for Freedom.
I cant believe you said that to a person of color........RACIST!
They are picking up on anything he says as a sign of surrender.
If he says he is planning a family vacation this summer its a sign he wont be President.
Im not crazy......things look grim.......but I dont think Trump is one to go fetal ala EVERY OTHER PRIOR REPUBLICAN HERETOFORE..............
Trump is a fighter, we need him, get the info out....but it will take peaceful people in the streets to starve the leviathan.
Which is why I believe he has what he needs to charge right through this whole process.
lets say there is actual hard/printed/sufficient evidence of massive fraud not a few votes here or there
i understand that the courts will do their job bla bla bla
i understand that you dont drop evidence publicly because the court will not allow its use
the only way something will happen is if all the docs are dumped like wikileaks
all the cloak and dagger stuff will take months if not longer
by then trump is out of office and is not getting back in
the SC will never remove a sitting president EVER regardless how fraudulent, its just not going to happen
they keep saying how the constitution does not allow governors to do what they did, it doesnt have to they will find some case law that has been tried which will serve as the basis
and if they over rule that case law all decisions made using that case law will now be retried, its a long sloppy road
by june trump is on twitter everyday and no one is going to listen, its happening already the news left and right are not covering him as much
wait until hes not president anymore, youll never see him again
all this info that the guliani team says they have has to be leaked, just like "Russia hoax"
week by week there were leaks of fake information, so much so that congress impeached him
thats the way things happen in the US today
they need to give trump a piece of paper showing a guys name voting 200 times in Philadelphia and that guy on tv saying he only voted once.
with that actual piece of paper trump yells on TV everyday and gets traction
no paper...nothing will happen
maybe a few senators get indicted for taxes of taking money from china if they can really get a direct payment, but they arent going to jail or being removed from office anytime soon. how many politicians are caught with taxes etc and served several more terms
the american public needs a "picture" to retweet text to each other, that will get the wheels turning
if they arent turning in 1-2 weeks max, all this will make a great book in 2027 how the election was a fraud
i understand that the courts will do their job bla bla bla
i understand that you dont drop evidence publicly because the court will not allow its use
the only way something will happen is if all the docs are dumped like wikileaks
all the cloak and dagger stuff will take months if not longer
by then trump is out of office and is not getting back in
the SC will never remove a sitting president EVER regardless how fraudulent, its just not going to happen
they keep saying how the constitution does not allow governors to do what they did, it doesnt have to they will find some case law that has been tried which will serve as the basis
and if they over rule that case law all decisions made using that case law will now be retried, its a long sloppy road
by june trump is on twitter everyday and no one is going to listen, its happening already the news left and right are not covering him as much
wait until hes not president anymore, youll never see him again
all this info that the guliani team says they have has to be leaked, just like "Russia hoax"
week by week there were leaks of fake information, so much so that congress impeached him
thats the way things happen in the US today
they need to give trump a piece of paper showing a guys name voting 200 times in Philadelphia and that guy on tv saying he only voted once.
with that actual piece of paper trump yells on TV everyday and gets traction
no paper...nothing will happen
maybe a few senators get indicted for taxes of taking money from china if they can really get a direct payment, but they arent going to jail or being removed from office anytime soon. how many politicians are caught with taxes etc and served several more terms
the american public needs a "picture" to retweet text to each other, that will get the wheels turning
if they arent turning in 1-2 weeks max, all this will make a great book in 2027 how the election was a fraud
As I understand it, all that has to happen is for the GOP to contest the vote, based on fraud or whatever. Then it goes to a vote, one per state. SCOTUS doesn't have to get involved, and it may be, why they haven't (yet).
Strong evidence has been presented.
Enough circumstantial evidence = reasonable suspicion = probable cause.
Fulfill the prongs, articulate the case.
Its veracity has not been tested.
Weird thing in all this is I have not seen any Communist data refuting the pro fraud evidence.
The commie defense is basically "Fuck you, shut up! Concede!"
Get this shit in court.
Have both sides present their evidence.
Lets see which side has the more compelling position under a reasonableness standard.
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This may have been posted elsewhere, but I found this poll data fascinating:
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20-30% of DEMOCRATS think it is very likely the election wasn't fair and/or setup to favor biden.
Here's some fun for the afternoon...
This is happening. In PA. In AZ, Tomorrow in NV.
The information/evidence hasn't been given to the media on purpose. They have proven to be enemies of our Republic and cannot be trusted to use the information correctly. They twist everything to fit the communist agenda. Just look at how they misquoted Barr. Just because your not seeing it on CNN/MSNBC/FAUX/ABC/CBS/NBC does not mean it's not happening. This is a battle for our Republic, and you don't give the enemy your battle plans. They (the media) will find out when we find out... and even then, they will twist the story to make it sound like Trump cheated and stole the election from Biden.
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There's actually a couple of other options, even if SCOTUS fucks us. They're less guaranteed, but states are nevertheless moving in that direction.
The state legislatures can drop a nuke. At the time this article was written, this was actually a pretty accurate article.
Today, however, PA, AZ, and MI are moving in that direction. In MI today at 6PM, I think Giuliani's testimony will have the possibility of determining whether or not they invoke that nuclear option.
Could State Legislatures Pick Electors to Vote for Trump? Not Likely
Some Trump allies have suggested that Republican lawmakers should override the will of voters who elected Joe Biden the next president.
Some may say "oh that's just 2 votes. What's the big deal?"
2 out of 100.... A 2% fraud.... and Trump "lost" by.. 1.5% or so in AZ?
Idk... math and shit.
I’m not sure people really realize how much is really happening if your not actually following closely. There are already multiple briefs at the Supreme Court for consideration.
Here is just one, at the SCOTUS, in support of a case filed by PA GOP.
For those saying nothing is happening, nothing going to happen... we are as quick to this entire thing turning as Justice Alito (reviewing this one snd three others) to say..”.valid...”, PA election violated constitution... and it all blows up.
...ohhh.. but the “news” didn’t tell you there were cases at SCOTUS right now.. so probably not true.. other than it’s from the actual SCOTUS direct web site.
Here is just one, at the SCOTUS, in support of a case filed by PA GOP.
For those saying nothing is happening, nothing going to happen... we are as quick to this entire thing turning as Justice Alito (reviewing this one snd three others) to say..”.valid...”, PA election violated constitution... and it all blows up.
...ohhh.. but the “news” didn’t tell you there were cases at SCOTUS right now.. so probably not true.. other than it’s from the actual SCOTUS direct web site.
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0.3%, good buddy! 2% fraud reversed gives Trump 51% of the vote.
Or, at the very least, drops Biden down by 2% or so.
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That was the intended result the whole time......have Trump lose by a small percent.
They didnt count on Trumps big turnout and it fucked up the algorithm causing them to resort to having to create the ballots to match the results.
They couldnt point to Bidens 5 trailer loads of votes and say "Winner!" as they sat parked next to Trumps 10 trailer loads.
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I agree with the premise, but the substance is a bit off from what I understand.
In states with actual ballots you need to:
1.) Manipulate the vote to give your guy the win
2.) Back that win up with ballots
3.) Not get caught
3 obviously didn't happen, but 1 and 2 were going to have to play out one way or another, hence the very awkward pause in counting, and one that ostensibly was a result of a water leak. (Spoiler alert: Sidney Powell has security camera footage of that night in GA, and there was no water leak, and some brave souls stayed behind after everyone else was skedaddled, who kept counting fucking ballots til 1AM)
I would argue that, if anything, they were actually pretty well prepared for Trump's actual turnout. They had plenty of ballots this time. Last time, not so much.
Well Dominion has the capability to print ballots from the PDF according to what is out there.
There certainly was an "Oh shit!" moment.
On Fox Business Neil Cavuto was down like someone had shot his puppy at 1030 in the evening....he was sad the pre election polls were wrong as evidenced by Trumps big leads in must win Biden states......
Expecting we would be going to bed about 2300 or so (remember we work) the intent was we would go to bed seeing Biden leading by a thin margin or Trump winning by a thin margin.
That way on waking in the morning there would be no shock.
Waking up seeing 10% leads eliminated was shocking.
and to the vote count curve.....resulted in vote dumping spikes they had hoped to avoid.
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It was one of those, "I don't fucking care what you have to do, fucking do it!" moments, for sure.
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Please remember that trolln' will increase as the election fiasco heats up.
Trolls will gravitate to obvious bs news in an attempt to derail discussion. They will attack people not the info. They will conflate the growing testimony/evidence to the obvious (and sometime intentional) fake news in an attempt to discredit.
They will work in teams...I am sure you have seen this behavior.
Lastly, they will use terms like "overturn the results" ect, in an attempt undermine the growing discontent.
That is all. Carry on.
Trolls will gravitate to obvious bs news in an attempt to derail discussion. They will attack people not the info. They will conflate the growing testimony/evidence to the obvious (and sometime intentional) fake news in an attempt to discredit.
They will work in teams...I am sure you have seen this behavior.
Lastly, they will use terms like "overturn the results" ect, in an attempt undermine the growing discontent.
That is all. Carry on.
No doubt that they saw the machines of the communist (Dominion, ES&S, etc, etc) could not make up the difference and then injected Plan B into the loop but were overzealous and put in an step function of votes instead of sliding them in here and there which would have been at the noise level. There is ZERO doubt this election is on the cusp of being stolen, not from republicants, but We the People!!!!
Certainly if this was a grand jury, this would already be in the courtroom. There is beyond enough evidence to get to court; and, in my opinion as a former jurist, plenty to convict/overturn as well.
I don’t math guud.
But give me a patient that needs a Dopamine drip and bad guy 1000 yards away... I'll whip out a microgram per kilogram per minute dose for their cardiac condition and a solid elevation come-up and wind call.
Barr is swamp, I've been saying it for over a year. He drug his feet, played the "It takes time to put a case together" ruse and ran out the clock managing to not indict anyone in a field where everyone is criminal openly committing felonies and acts of treason.
He put the DOJ to sleep and occupied a position that could have otherwise been filled by a real, productive AG.
And thats just what his fellow deep state globalists told him to do.
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You are 100% correct.
Constitution is not dependent on popular legitimacy...
All the constitution needs is young men to take a oath and old men to honor their oath.
Here's hoping you are right!!! And yes you are def right about the press... Amazing and sickening the slant they put on some stuff.
The whole idea of constitutional government is that it depends on the consent of the governed. It literally depends on popular legitimacy. What exactly has happened to civic education in this country. It's like the second line of the Declaration of Independence. "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
For the love of God don't breed.
The constitution isn't voided because 51% of the country agreed on something.
Studied the interface of hebrew, greek, and aramaic through the lens of both OT and NT in ancient religion course, but no I cannot speak hebrew.
I was primarily responding to this generalization:
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