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Rifle Scopes LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
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Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
Badger Ordnance has a good reputation and they make a six screw steel ring.
http://badgerordnance.com/max-50-scope-rings/
If you are set on a six screw ring, give Seekins Precision a call.
Badger Ordnance has a good reputation and they make a six screw steel ring.
http://badgerordnance.com/max-50-scope-rings/
If you are set on a six screw ring, give Seekins Precision a call.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
Why 6? Burris makes some 6 screw rings that are AL. I have put some rifle through some very hard abuse over seas and here in the US and I have never seen the need for a 6 screw ring. I have bent scopes and broke glass on scopes before and never had the rings fail if they were decent rings to start with.
Our PD bought these to replace some old rings on a sniper rifle and they are doing great so far. They haven't been on it very long yet but there gear is top notch.
http://www.seekinsprecision.com/index_p.php?p=rings
Why 6? Burris makes some 6 screw rings that are AL. I have put some rifle through some very hard abuse over seas and here in the US and I have never seen the need for a 6 screw ring. I have bent scopes and broke glass on scopes before and never had the rings fail if they were decent rings to start with.
Our PD bought these to replace some old rings on a sniper rifle and they are doing great so far. They haven't been on it very long yet but there gear is top notch.
http://www.seekinsprecision.com/index_p.php?p=rings
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SwatSgt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why 6? Burris makes some 6 screw rings that are AL. I have put some rifle through some very hard abuse over seas and here in the US and I have never seen the need for a 6 screw ring. I have bent scopes and broke glass on scopes before and never had the rings fail if they were decent rings to start with.
Our PD bought these to replace some old rings on a sniper rifle and they are doing great so far. They haven't been on it very long yet but there gear is top notch.
http://www.seekinsprecision.com/index_p.php?p=rings </div></div>
Big gun Big scope and you want me to use pink rubber bands? Seekin only makes Aluminum rings BTW
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SwatSgt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why 6? Burris makes some 6 screw rings that are AL. I have put some rifle through some very hard abuse over seas and here in the US and I have never seen the need for a 6 screw ring. I have bent scopes and broke glass on scopes before and never had the rings fail if they were decent rings to start with.
Our PD bought these to replace some old rings on a sniper rifle and they are doing great so far. They haven't been on it very long yet but there gear is top notch.
http://www.seekinsprecision.com/index_p.php?p=rings </div></div>
Big gun Big scope and you want me to use pink rubber bands? Seekin only makes Aluminum rings BTW
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Badger Ordnance has a good reputation and they make a six screw steel ring.
http://badgerordnance.com/max-50-scope-rings/
If you are set on a six screw ring, give Seekins Precision a call. </div></div>
NO Aluminum !!!!! STEEL!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Badger Ordnance has a good reputation and they make a six screw steel ring.
http://badgerordnance.com/max-50-scope-rings/
If you are set on a six screw ring, give Seekins Precision a call. </div></div>
NO Aluminum !!!!! STEEL!
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
First, don't drink too many energy drinks before posting. Second, Max 50 rings are steel.
http://swfa.com/Badger-Ordnance-Max-50-Scope-30mm-Rings-P4243.aspx
Edit: some are alloy, the ones I've seen are steel, but pretty heavy
First, don't drink too many energy drinks before posting. Second, Max 50 rings are steel.
http://swfa.com/Badger-Ordnance-Max-50-Scope-30mm-Rings-P4243.aspx
Edit: some are alloy, the ones I've seen are steel, but pretty heavy
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CACTUS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Badger Ordnance has a good reputation and they make a six screw steel ring.
http://badgerordnance.com/max-50-scope-rings/
If you are set on a six screw ring, give Seekins Precision a call. </div></div>
NO Aluminum !!!!! STEEL! </div></div>
Well here is quote from the Badger link he gave you
"machined from steel as “Matched Pairs” and serialized"
So that would be STEEL! not Aluminum
And how big is a big gun? 120mm big or .17HMR big? Or you can find/buy your own steel and have a machine shop or GS make you a custom set
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CACTUS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Badger Ordnance has a good reputation and they make a six screw steel ring.
http://badgerordnance.com/max-50-scope-rings/
If you are set on a six screw ring, give Seekins Precision a call. </div></div>
NO Aluminum !!!!! STEEL! </div></div>
Well here is quote from the Badger link he gave you
"machined from steel as “Matched Pairs” and serialized"
So that would be STEEL! not Aluminum
And how big is a big gun? 120mm big or .17HMR big? Or you can find/buy your own steel and have a machine shop or GS make you a custom set
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SwatSgt</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CACTUS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Badger Ordnance has a good reputation and they make a six screw steel ring.
http://badgerordnance.com/max-50-scope-rings/
If you are set on a six screw ring, give Seekins Precision a call. </div></div>
NO Aluminum !!!!! STEEL! </div></div>
Well here is quote from the Badger link he gave you
"machined from steel as “Matched Pairs” and serialized"
So that would be STEEL! not Aluminum
And how big is a big gun? 120mm big or .17HMR big? Or you can find/buy your own steel and have a machine shop or GS make you a custom set </div></div>
lol YALL BOTH BROUGHT UP Seekins!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SwatSgt</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CACTUS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Badger Ordnance has a good reputation and they make a six screw steel ring.
http://badgerordnance.com/max-50-scope-rings/
If you are set on a six screw ring, give Seekins Precision a call. </div></div>
NO Aluminum !!!!! STEEL! </div></div>
Well here is quote from the Badger link he gave you
"machined from steel as “Matched Pairs” and serialized"
So that would be STEEL! not Aluminum
And how big is a big gun? 120mm big or .17HMR big? Or you can find/buy your own steel and have a machine shop or GS make you a custom set </div></div>
lol YALL BOTH BROUGHT UP Seekins!
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
I have the Badger Ordnance 34mm Alloy rings mounted on my 308 FAL with a Hensoldt 4x16 56mm FF scope and it is very accurate. I have the extra high ones and they are 4 oz total, 1.375 inches. The next step up are the steel rings and they are 1.49 inches high and they weigh 1 lb. A big increase in weight. What caliber gun are you using? Alloy is fine in most cases and I use Burris Alloy rings on a lot of my rifles. They are quite beefy. The only rifle I use steel rings on is my Ruger Hunting Rifle for my Leupold scope, I am using Leupold rings. Extra weight to carry around though with steel.
I have the Badger Ordnance 34mm Alloy rings mounted on my 308 FAL with a Hensoldt 4x16 56mm FF scope and it is very accurate. I have the extra high ones and they are 4 oz total, 1.375 inches. The next step up are the steel rings and they are 1.49 inches high and they weigh 1 lb. A big increase in weight. What caliber gun are you using? Alloy is fine in most cases and I use Burris Alloy rings on a lot of my rifles. They are quite beefy. The only rifle I use steel rings on is my Ruger Hunting Rifle for my Leupold scope, I am using Leupold rings. Extra weight to carry around though with steel.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SwatSgt</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CACTUS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Badger Ordnance has a good reputation and they make a six screw steel ring.
http://badgerordnance.com/max-50-scope-rings/
If you are set on a six screw ring, give Seekins Precision a call. </div></div>
NO Aluminum !!!!! STEEL! </div></div>
Well here is quote from the Badger link he gave you
"machined from steel as “Matched Pairs” and serialized"
So that would be STEEL! not Aluminum
And how big is a big gun? 120mm big or .17HMR big? Or you can find/buy your own steel and have a machine shop or GS make you a custom set </div></div>
1.25 X 31 in TUBE 300 ULTRA AND 338EDGE in a XLR Evolution HD Rifle Chassis
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SwatSgt</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CACTUS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Badger Ordnance has a good reputation and they make a six screw steel ring.
http://badgerordnance.com/max-50-scope-rings/
If you are set on a six screw ring, give Seekins Precision a call. </div></div>
NO Aluminum !!!!! STEEL! </div></div>
Well here is quote from the Badger link he gave you
"machined from steel as “Matched Pairs” and serialized"
So that would be STEEL! not Aluminum
And how big is a big gun? 120mm big or .17HMR big? Or you can find/buy your own steel and have a machine shop or GS make you a custom set </div></div>
1.25 X 31 in TUBE 300 ULTRA AND 338EDGE in a XLR Evolution HD Rifle Chassis
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ptalar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the Badger Ordnance 34mm Alloy rings mounted on my 308 FAL with a Hensoldt 4x16 56mm FF scope and it is very accurate. I have the extra high ones and they are 4 oz total, 1.375 inches. The next step up are the steel rings and they are 1.49 inches high and they weigh 1 lb. A big increase in weight. What caliber gun are you using. Alloy is fine in most cases and I use Burris Alloy rings on a lot of my rifles. They are quite beefy. The only rifle I use steel rings on is my Ruger Hunting Rifle for my Leupold scope, I am using Leupold rings. Extra weight to carry around though with steel. </div></div>
Can I PLEASE put steel rings on my GUN? Thanks for the tip! If any GUN is to heavy or loud YOUR way to old to be shooting!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ptalar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the Badger Ordnance 34mm Alloy rings mounted on my 308 FAL with a Hensoldt 4x16 56mm FF scope and it is very accurate. I have the extra high ones and they are 4 oz total, 1.375 inches. The next step up are the steel rings and they are 1.49 inches high and they weigh 1 lb. A big increase in weight. What caliber gun are you using. Alloy is fine in most cases and I use Burris Alloy rings on a lot of my rifles. They are quite beefy. The only rifle I use steel rings on is my Ruger Hunting Rifle for my Leupold scope, I am using Leupold rings. Extra weight to carry around though with steel. </div></div>
Can I PLEASE put steel rings on my GUN? Thanks for the tip! If any GUN is to heavy or loud YOUR way to old to be shooting!
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
Well you never answered the question about the size of the rifle other then it being big so I guess that it is just that big. I am going to step out on a limb here but I am willing to bet if you call a machine shop and ask them to make you a set of custom steel rings I am sure they will try to help you if you are willing to pay extra for the custom work. Which is why he said to call Seekins and speak with them.
But Hink posted a link to the Badger rings which are STEEL and 6 screw.
Well you never answered the question about the size of the rifle other then it being big so I guess that it is just that big. I am going to step out on a limb here but I am willing to bet if you call a machine shop and ask them to make you a set of custom steel rings I am sure they will try to help you if you are willing to pay extra for the custom work. Which is why he said to call Seekins and speak with them.
But Hink posted a link to the Badger rings which are STEEL and 6 screw.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SwatSgt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well you never answered the question about the size of the rifle other then it being big so I guess that it is just that big. I am going to step out on a limb here but I am willing to bet if you call a machine shop and ask them to make you a set of custom steel rings I am sure they will try to help you if you are willing to pay extra for the custom work. Which is why he said to call Seekins and speak with them.
But Hink posted a link to the Badger rings which are STEEL and 6 screw. </div></div>
1.25 X 31 in TUBE 300 ULTRA AND 338EDGE in a XLR Evolution HD Rifle Chassis
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SwatSgt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well you never answered the question about the size of the rifle other then it being big so I guess that it is just that big. I am going to step out on a limb here but I am willing to bet if you call a machine shop and ask them to make you a set of custom steel rings I am sure they will try to help you if you are willing to pay extra for the custom work. Which is why he said to call Seekins and speak with them.
But Hink posted a link to the Badger rings which are STEEL and 6 screw. </div></div>
1.25 X 31 in TUBE 300 ULTRA AND 338EDGE in a XLR Evolution HD Rifle Chassis
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
Hey CACTUS, why don't you stop being a bitch to everyone trying to give you advice and go somewhere else or do your own fucking research.
Hey CACTUS, why don't you stop being a bitch to everyone trying to give you advice and go somewhere else or do your own fucking research.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
DD ROSS offers 6 screw rings> I've had a set now for 13 yrs. and they have have beeen great through several scopes
DD ROSS offers 6 screw rings> I've had a set now for 13 yrs. and they have have beeen great through several scopes
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remau308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey CACTUS, why don't you stop being a bitch to everyone trying to give you advice and go somewhere else or do your own fucking research. </div></div>
I ASKED FOR STEEL RINGS!! AND BOTH OF THEM GAVE ME LEADS TO ALLOY RINGS. ONE DID ADD A BADGER LINK? IM NOT BITCHING! BUT I CAN READ!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remau308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey CACTUS, why don't you stop being a bitch to everyone trying to give you advice and go somewhere else or do your own fucking research. </div></div>
I ASKED FOR STEEL RINGS!! AND BOTH OF THEM GAVE ME LEADS TO ALLOY RINGS. ONE DID ADD A BADGER LINK? IM NOT BITCHING! BUT I CAN READ!
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cuffm4615</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DD ROSS offers 6 screw rings> I've had a set now for 13 yrs. and they have have beeen great through several scopes
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On my way to finding them now! Thanks for the tip!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cuffm4615</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DD ROSS offers 6 screw rings> I've had a set now for 13 yrs. and they have have beeen great through several scopes
</div></div>
On my way to finding them now! Thanks for the tip!
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
Instead of arguing with this guy and bringing more attention to his horrible post and inability to complete easy research...
Lets just ignore him and let him act this way somewhere else.
Or ban him.
Instead of arguing with this guy and bringing more attention to his horrible post and inability to complete easy research...
Lets just ignore him and let him act this way somewhere else.
Or ban him.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
The .300 Ultra has 4300 ft/lb energy at the muzzle with a 220 grain bullet. A .416 Weatherby has 6400 ft/lb at the muzzle with a 400 grain bullet. With Leupold rings and bases neither failed while bear hunting in Alaska on the rifles we were using. My dad has a .416 as well and shoots his regularly becuase he is wierd like that I guess but his rings have never failed either and the rings are only 4 screw rings.
He has carried his on several moose and bear hunts in Alaska and never had one issue with his rings. I only carried mine on one hunt so now it sits in his safe because I live in NC and have nothing here to hunt with it.
And a .30-378 Weatherby is little bit closer ballistic wise and my father has one of those too. It too has steel Leupold rings on it now but at one time it had AL rings but the blueing didn't match the reciever very well so he replaced them with steel.
The .300 Ultra has 4300 ft/lb energy at the muzzle with a 220 grain bullet. A .416 Weatherby has 6400 ft/lb at the muzzle with a 400 grain bullet. With Leupold rings and bases neither failed while bear hunting in Alaska on the rifles we were using. My dad has a .416 as well and shoots his regularly becuase he is wierd like that I guess but his rings have never failed either and the rings are only 4 screw rings.
He has carried his on several moose and bear hunts in Alaska and never had one issue with his rings. I only carried mine on one hunt so now it sits in his safe because I live in NC and have nothing here to hunt with it.
And a .30-378 Weatherby is little bit closer ballistic wise and my father has one of those too. It too has steel Leupold rings on it now but at one time it had AL rings but the blueing didn't match the reciever very well so he replaced them with steel.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KNIGHT11B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Instead of arguing with this guy and bringing more attention to his horrible post and inability to complete easy research...
Lets just ignore him and let him act this way somewhere else.
Or ban him. </div></div>
I here trying to do my research. And I asked a simple question about STEEL rings and my first answers were about alloy???? And I'm in the wrong?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KNIGHT11B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Instead of arguing with this guy and bringing more attention to his horrible post and inability to complete easy research...
Lets just ignore him and let him act this way somewhere else.
Or ban him. </div></div>
I here trying to do my research. And I asked a simple question about STEEL rings and my first answers were about alloy???? And I'm in the wrong?
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KNIGHT11B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Instead of arguing with this guy and bringing more attention to his horrible post and inability to complete easy research...
Lets just ignore him and let him act this way somewhere else.
Or ban him. </div></div>
Very good point, I just got hooked I guess lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KNIGHT11B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Instead of arguing with this guy and bringing more attention to his horrible post and inability to complete easy research...
Lets just ignore him and let him act this way somewhere else.
Or ban him. </div></div>
Very good point, I just got hooked I guess lol
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SwatSgt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The .300 Ultra has 4300 ft/lb energy at the muzzle with a 220 grain bullet. A .416 Weatherby has 6400 ft/lb at the muzzle with a 400 grain bullet. With Leupold rings and bases neither failed while bear hunting in Alaska on the rifles we were using. My dad has a .416 as well and shoots his regularly becuase he is wierd like that I guess but his rings have never failed either and the rings are only 4 screw rings.
He has carried his on several moose and bear hunts in Alaska and never had one issue with his rings. I only carried mine on one hunt so now it sits in his safe because I live in NC and have nothing here to hunt with it.
And a .30-378 Weatherby is little bit closer ballistic wise and my father has one of those too. It too has steel Leupold rings on it now but at one time it had AL rings but the blueing didn't match the reciever very well so he replaced them with steel. </div></div>
I have never questioned the strength of alloy! Heck my stock for this build is alloy! I want the look..........
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SwatSgt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The .300 Ultra has 4300 ft/lb energy at the muzzle with a 220 grain bullet. A .416 Weatherby has 6400 ft/lb at the muzzle with a 400 grain bullet. With Leupold rings and bases neither failed while bear hunting in Alaska on the rifles we were using. My dad has a .416 as well and shoots his regularly becuase he is wierd like that I guess but his rings have never failed either and the rings are only 4 screw rings.
He has carried his on several moose and bear hunts in Alaska and never had one issue with his rings. I only carried mine on one hunt so now it sits in his safe because I live in NC and have nothing here to hunt with it.
And a .30-378 Weatherby is little bit closer ballistic wise and my father has one of those too. It too has steel Leupold rings on it now but at one time it had AL rings but the blueing didn't match the reciever very well so he replaced them with steel. </div></div>
I have never questioned the strength of alloy! Heck my stock for this build is alloy! I want the look..........
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CACTUS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KNIGHT11B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Instead of arguing with this guy and bringing more attention to his horrible post and inability to complete easy research...
Lets just ignore him and let him act this way somewhere else.
Or ban him. </div></div>
I here trying to do my research. And I asked a simple question about STEEL rings and my first answers were about alloy???? And I'm in the wrong? </div></div>
Yes, you're being kind of a bitch
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CACTUS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KNIGHT11B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Instead of arguing with this guy and bringing more attention to his horrible post and inability to complete easy research...
Lets just ignore him and let him act this way somewhere else.
Or ban him. </div></div>
I here trying to do my research. And I asked a simple question about STEEL rings and my first answers were about alloy???? And I'm in the wrong? </div></div>
Yes, you're being kind of a bitch
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
Originally Posted By: C. DixonBo Clerke, owner of Clerke International is one sharp ol cat who's been making stuff longer than most here have existed on the planet.
He's in his early 90's now and still has more piss/vinegar than a 10 year old.
He said it best I think. "Anything worth making is worth making out of steel."
The weight savings of AL over SS is marginal. 15% at best. If we were making spars for fighter jets that 15% means something. On a pillar that weighs 1.2oz the increase in material costs and concerns over permanent adhesion give me cause to stick with SS.
No electrolysis to fret over and your gun gets more chicks with stainless pillars too.
That has to count for something.
Mr. Chad Dixon, posts great photos of some of the finest work on this board. This post was as good as some of his photos! Nothing else need be said.
Originally Posted By: C. DixonBo Clerke, owner of Clerke International is one sharp ol cat who's been making stuff longer than most here have existed on the planet.
He's in his early 90's now and still has more piss/vinegar than a 10 year old.
He said it best I think. "Anything worth making is worth making out of steel."
The weight savings of AL over SS is marginal. 15% at best. If we were making spars for fighter jets that 15% means something. On a pillar that weighs 1.2oz the increase in material costs and concerns over permanent adhesion give me cause to stick with SS.
No electrolysis to fret over and your gun gets more chicks with stainless pillars too.
That has to count for something.
Mr. Chad Dixon, posts great photos of some of the finest work on this board. This post was as good as some of his photos! Nothing else need be said.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
Haha this tread makes me laugh. Badgers are great rings to look at
Haha this tread makes me laugh. Badgers are great rings to look at
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally Posted By: C. DixonBo Clerke, owner of Clerke International is one sharp ol cat who's been making stuff longer than most here have existed on the planet.
He's in his early 90's now and still has more piss/vinegar than a 10 year old.
He said it best I think. "Anything worth making is worth making out of steel."
The weight savings of AL over SS is marginal. 15% at best. If we were making spars for fighter jets that 15% means something. On a pillar that weighs 1.2oz the increase in material costs and concerns over permanent adhesion give me cause to stick with SS.
No electrolysis to fret over and your gun gets more chicks with stainless pillars too.
That has to count for something.
Mr. Chad Dixon, posts great photos of some of the finest work on this board. This post was as good as some of his photos! Nothing else need be said. </div></div>
I'm going to chime in here on this debate because it's something that always pisses me the hell off. So if I ruffle any feathers, I'm sorry.
There is "steel" and then there are heat treated, high carbon, alloy steels. If you go with mid range "standard" steel you will end up with something with a yield strength in the 30-36ksi range. If you go with shitty steel you can find your self with yield strength in the 15-20ksi range. If you go with tool steel you can find your self with yield strengths in the 102ksi range. "steel is steel is steel" is not even close to being true in any sense of the word. Aluminum ranges the same way, mid grade 6061-T6 (which denotes both the alloy and the heat treatment) is going to be in the 36-37ksi range. High grade 7075-T6 or -T651 will get you in the 75ksi range. That's TWICE the strength of the mid range steel parts. So please don't say "steel is stronger" when most times it's simply not. The exact same part made from a mid range steel vs a high grade aluminium is going to be significantly WEAKER if it's made out of steel. If the person you're buying from doesn't tell you what grade the material is they're making it from, it's because the material is shit.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally Posted By: C. DixonBo Clerke, owner of Clerke International is one sharp ol cat who's been making stuff longer than most here have existed on the planet.
He's in his early 90's now and still has more piss/vinegar than a 10 year old.
He said it best I think. "Anything worth making is worth making out of steel."
The weight savings of AL over SS is marginal. 15% at best. If we were making spars for fighter jets that 15% means something. On a pillar that weighs 1.2oz the increase in material costs and concerns over permanent adhesion give me cause to stick with SS.
No electrolysis to fret over and your gun gets more chicks with stainless pillars too.
That has to count for something.
Mr. Chad Dixon, posts great photos of some of the finest work on this board. This post was as good as some of his photos! Nothing else need be said. </div></div>
I'm going to chime in here on this debate because it's something that always pisses me the hell off. So if I ruffle any feathers, I'm sorry.
There is "steel" and then there are heat treated, high carbon, alloy steels. If you go with mid range "standard" steel you will end up with something with a yield strength in the 30-36ksi range. If you go with shitty steel you can find your self with yield strength in the 15-20ksi range. If you go with tool steel you can find your self with yield strengths in the 102ksi range. "steel is steel is steel" is not even close to being true in any sense of the word. Aluminum ranges the same way, mid grade 6061-T6 (which denotes both the alloy and the heat treatment) is going to be in the 36-37ksi range. High grade 7075-T6 or -T651 will get you in the 75ksi range. That's TWICE the strength of the mid range steel parts. So please don't say "steel is stronger" when most times it's simply not. The exact same part made from a mid range steel vs a high grade aluminium is going to be significantly WEAKER if it's made out of steel. If the person you're buying from doesn't tell you what grade the material is they're making it from, it's because the material is shit.
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I'd like to chime in here also, when comparing steel vs Al rings, the only real comparison, is to compare! Not this, "I can't think of a single brand at this time....." Let's compare for example: FN rings, made from 4140 Heat treated steel, I believe this has a strength of around 95,000psi tensile, and 60,000 psi yield. And please let's not be comparing $20.00 rings to $200.00 rings,that would be idiotic. On this very board, an idiot, one that loved to post how smart he was, assured us, that no one could mfg. rings from high quality steel (FN can) that would be as good as Al!!! Of course, when faced with real facts, real rings, really made and really for sale, he went back to sniffing glue, but did not have the balls to post anything like he was going to purchase 50 pairs of FN rings, as they cost far more to make than they were being sold for! My guess is that FN makes money on their rings. Remember, when the beer can crowd wants to convince you of the super high strength of Al vs Steel, make sure they are comparing real-really for sale-actual rings, not some crazy half witted crap!
I'd like to chime in here also, when comparing steel vs Al rings, the only real comparison, is to compare! Not this, "I can't think of a single brand at this time....." Let's compare for example: FN rings, made from 4140 Heat treated steel, I believe this has a strength of around 95,000psi tensile, and 60,000 psi yield. And please let's not be comparing $20.00 rings to $200.00 rings,that would be idiotic. On this very board, an idiot, one that loved to post how smart he was, assured us, that no one could mfg. rings from high quality steel (FN can) that would be as good as Al!!! Of course, when faced with real facts, real rings, really made and really for sale, he went back to sniffing glue, but did not have the balls to post anything like he was going to purchase 50 pairs of FN rings, as they cost far more to make than they were being sold for! My guess is that FN makes money on their rings. Remember, when the beer can crowd wants to convince you of the super high strength of Al vs Steel, make sure they are comparing real-really for sale-actual rings, not some crazy half witted crap!
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd like to chime in here also, when comparing steel vs Al rings, the only real comparison, is to compare! Not this, "I can't think of a single brand at this time....." Let's compare for example: FN rings, made from 4140 Heat treated steel, I believe this has a strength of around 95,000psi tensile, and 60,000 psi yield. And please let's not be comparing $20.00 rings to $200.00 rings,that would be idiotic. On this very board, an idiot, one that loved to post how smart he was, assured us, that no one could mfg. rings from high quality steel (FN can) that would be as good as Al!!! Of course, when faced with real facts, real rings, really made and really for sale, he went back to sniffing glue, but did not have the balls to post anything like he was going to purchase 50 pairs of FN rings, as they cost far more to make than they were being sold for! My guess is that FN makes money on their rings. Remember, when the beer can crowd wants to convince you of the super high strength of Al vs Steel, make sure they are comparing real-really for sale-actual rings, not some crazy half witted crap! </div></div>
Do you have a link to the posts made by this 'glue-sniffer'? If you're going to be this belligerent and dismissive of this person then you shouldn't be afraid of giving him a chance to state his case on this thread - just in case he's not aware that he's an idiotic glue-sniffer and so might not realize you're talking about him.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd like to chime in here also, when comparing steel vs Al rings, the only real comparison, is to compare! Not this, "I can't think of a single brand at this time....." Let's compare for example: FN rings, made from 4140 Heat treated steel, I believe this has a strength of around 95,000psi tensile, and 60,000 psi yield. And please let's not be comparing $20.00 rings to $200.00 rings,that would be idiotic. On this very board, an idiot, one that loved to post how smart he was, assured us, that no one could mfg. rings from high quality steel (FN can) that would be as good as Al!!! Of course, when faced with real facts, real rings, really made and really for sale, he went back to sniffing glue, but did not have the balls to post anything like he was going to purchase 50 pairs of FN rings, as they cost far more to make than they were being sold for! My guess is that FN makes money on their rings. Remember, when the beer can crowd wants to convince you of the super high strength of Al vs Steel, make sure they are comparing real-really for sale-actual rings, not some crazy half witted crap! </div></div>
Do you have a link to the posts made by this 'glue-sniffer'? If you're going to be this belligerent and dismissive of this person then you shouldn't be afraid of giving him a chance to state his case on this thread - just in case he's not aware that he's an idiotic glue-sniffer and so might not realize you're talking about him.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd like to chime in here also, when comparing steel vs Al rings, the only real comparison, is to compare! Not this, "I can't think of a single brand at this time....." Let's compare for example: FN rings, made from 4140 Heat treated steel, I believe this has a strength of around 95,000psi tensile, and 60,000 psi yield. And please let's not be comparing $20.00 rings to $200.00 rings,that would be idiotic. On this very board, an idiot, one that loved to post how smart he was, assured us, that no one could mfg. rings from high quality steel (FN can) that would be as good as Al!!! Of course, when faced with real facts, real rings, really made and really for sale, he went back to sniffing glue, but did not have the balls to post anything like he was going to purchase 50 pairs of FN rings, as they cost far more to make than they were being sold for! My guess is that FN makes money on their rings. Remember, when the beer can crowd wants to convince you of the super high strength of Al vs Steel, make sure they are comparing real-really for sale-actual rings, not some crazy half witted crap! </div></div>
Please don't get me wrong. If it's being made from quailty steel your going to get a quality part. While 4140 is still weaker than 7075-T6, it's not by much (75ksi yield vs 60ksi yield, ultimate strength is irrelovant. If you're part experiances plastic deformation you've got serious problems.
). I was more pointing out when you just see "steel" and no qualification for what kind of steel it is, chance are you've got crap. The same goes for aluminium too. If they're not telling you an alloy it's crap and stay away from it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd like to chime in here also, when comparing steel vs Al rings, the only real comparison, is to compare! Not this, "I can't think of a single brand at this time....." Let's compare for example: FN rings, made from 4140 Heat treated steel, I believe this has a strength of around 95,000psi tensile, and 60,000 psi yield. And please let's not be comparing $20.00 rings to $200.00 rings,that would be idiotic. On this very board, an idiot, one that loved to post how smart he was, assured us, that no one could mfg. rings from high quality steel (FN can) that would be as good as Al!!! Of course, when faced with real facts, real rings, really made and really for sale, he went back to sniffing glue, but did not have the balls to post anything like he was going to purchase 50 pairs of FN rings, as they cost far more to make than they were being sold for! My guess is that FN makes money on their rings. Remember, when the beer can crowd wants to convince you of the super high strength of Al vs Steel, make sure they are comparing real-really for sale-actual rings, not some crazy half witted crap! </div></div>
Please don't get me wrong. If it's being made from quailty steel your going to get a quality part. While 4140 is still weaker than 7075-T6, it's not by much (75ksi yield vs 60ksi yield, ultimate strength is irrelovant. If you're part experiances plastic deformation you've got serious problems.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kalman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd like to chime in here also, when comparing steel vs Al rings, the only real comparison, is to compare! Not this, "I can't think of a single brand at this time....." Let's compare for example: FN rings, made from 4140 Heat treated steel, I believe this has a strength of around 95,000psi tensile, and 60,000 psi yield. And please let's not be comparing $20.00 rings to $200.00 rings,that would be idiotic. On this very board, an idiot, one that loved to post how smart he was, assured us, that no one could mfg. rings from high quality steel (FN can) that would be as good as Al!!! Of course, when faced with real facts, real rings, really made and really for sale, he went back to sniffing glue, but did not have the balls to post anything like he was going to purchase 50 pairs of FN rings, as they cost far more to make than they were being sold for! My guess is that FN makes money on their rings. Remember, when the beer can crowd wants to convince you of the super high strength of Al vs Steel, make sure they are comparing real-really for sale-actual rings, not some crazy half witted crap! </div></div>
Please don't get me wrong. If it's being made from quailty steel your going to get a quality part. While 4140 is still weaker than 7075-T6, it's not by much (75ksi yield vs 60ksi yield, ultimate strength is irrelovant. If you're part experiances plastic deformation you've got serious problems.
). I was more pointing out when you just see "steel" and no qualification for what kind of steel it is, chance are you've got crap. The same goes for aluminium too. If they're not telling you an alloy it's crap and stay away from it. </div></div>Actually heat treated 4140 ( @ 600F) gives 4140 strength of <span style="text-decoration: underline">225KSI</span> --that works out to to 300% stronger than 7075-T6. In order to have the same strength as heat treated 4140, you would have to use three times as much 7075-T6, weight savings? I think not!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kalman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd like to chime in here also, when comparing steel vs Al rings, the only real comparison, is to compare! Not this, "I can't think of a single brand at this time....." Let's compare for example: FN rings, made from 4140 Heat treated steel, I believe this has a strength of around 95,000psi tensile, and 60,000 psi yield. And please let's not be comparing $20.00 rings to $200.00 rings,that would be idiotic. On this very board, an idiot, one that loved to post how smart he was, assured us, that no one could mfg. rings from high quality steel (FN can) that would be as good as Al!!! Of course, when faced with real facts, real rings, really made and really for sale, he went back to sniffing glue, but did not have the balls to post anything like he was going to purchase 50 pairs of FN rings, as they cost far more to make than they were being sold for! My guess is that FN makes money on their rings. Remember, when the beer can crowd wants to convince you of the super high strength of Al vs Steel, make sure they are comparing real-really for sale-actual rings, not some crazy half witted crap! </div></div>
Please don't get me wrong. If it's being made from quailty steel your going to get a quality part. While 4140 is still weaker than 7075-T6, it's not by much (75ksi yield vs 60ksi yield, ultimate strength is irrelovant. If you're part experiances plastic deformation you've got serious problems.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
In the temperature range we operate our rifles in, less than 250 degrees F, it really does not matter whether you are using steel or aluminum for most calibers of weapons and for what most of us do, hunt and target practice. At high temperatures, aluminums strength drops precipatously. So it is not used in high temperature service. Steel is used because it retains its material properties much better, but, aluminum gives you a weight savings as long as it is designed correctly, given the same dimensions betweens steel and aluminum, and that is why I give the nod to aluminum. If you really want to get technical does anybody make Titanium rings? They give you essentially the strength of steel with the light weight of aluminum.
In the temperature range we operate our rifles in, less than 250 degrees F, it really does not matter whether you are using steel or aluminum for most calibers of weapons and for what most of us do, hunt and target practice. At high temperatures, aluminums strength drops precipatously. So it is not used in high temperature service. Steel is used because it retains its material properties much better, but, aluminum gives you a weight savings as long as it is designed correctly, given the same dimensions betweens steel and aluminum, and that is why I give the nod to aluminum. If you really want to get technical does anybody make Titanium rings? They give you essentially the strength of steel with the light weight of aluminum.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
Removed for the sake of sanity. There's no point to engaging in a battle of the wits when the other is unarmed.
Removed for the sake of sanity. There's no point to engaging in a battle of the wits when the other is unarmed.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Removed for the sake of sanity. There's no point to engaging in a battle of the wits when the other is unarmed. </div></div>
I read the link you quoted in your reply before you deleted it. It was a good discussion.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Removed for the sake of sanity. There's no point to engaging in a battle of the wits when the other is unarmed. </div></div>
I read the link you quoted in your reply before you deleted it. It was a good discussion.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
Unarmed man, truer words have not been written, when it comes to strength of steel vs Al, I give a real examples:
Actually heat treated 4140 ( @ 600F) gives 4140 strength of 225KSI --that works out to to 300% stronger than 7075-T6. In order to have the same strength as heat treated 4140, you would have to use three times as much 7075-T6, weight savings? I think not!
There becomes a sudden shift, looking at shoes, and no fact filled response, let's face it, for Al to be as strong as good steel, heat treated 4140 for example, there is NO weight savings. If what some here are saying, "Al rings are not as strong, but I need to save a couple of ounces", okay, I'm sure you need those two ounces, very sure.
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Unarmed man, truer words have not been written, when it comes to strength of steel vs Al, I give a real examples:
Actually heat treated 4140 ( @ 600F) gives 4140 strength of 225KSI --that works out to to 300% stronger than 7075-T6. In order to have the same strength as heat treated 4140, you would have to use three times as much 7075-T6, weight savings? I think not!
There becomes a sudden shift, looking at shoes, and no fact filled response, let's face it, for Al to be as strong as good steel, heat treated 4140 for example, there is NO weight savings. If what some here are saying, "Al rings are not as strong, but I need to save a couple of ounces", okay, I'm sure you need those two ounces, very sure.
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Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
The applicability of that heat treat is nil for scope rings. That material spec is so hard, so brittle that it is extremely expensive to machine and hold true when manufacturing. Plus it is prone to low stress fatigue cracking in vibration environments.
That nails the point I made about going to an extremely high strength alloy being far more expensive to manufacture and driving the cost of a product up significantly only to match the capability of the AL 7075-T65.
It also illustrates that you have no experience in actually designing and analyzing things for failure. How about you post up your experience and qualifications level for such an argument?
I have 2 suspicions regarding you.
1) You're a keyboard commando who's busy wiping cheeto stains on his sweat pants in his parents' basement while searching for the highest yield strength steel you can get to post it as a pseudo-proof against AL.
2) OR, and this is a much stronger suspicion: You are somehow connected to a steel alloy scope ring manufacturer/supplier and you have a financial interest to pushing steel rings as the best solution to any kind of scope mounting issue. You're playing a schill game to blow smoke and nonsense because you're afraid of the market share disappearing as modern manufacturing techniques and superior designs for Aluminum alloy, high strength, aerospace grade materials are applied to a product which has for many years been an afterthought to a lot of people.
In reality, the application of 52RC 4140 with an 8% elongation to ultimate failure (not yield, ultimate) would be completely irresponsible of an engineer in this case because the vibratory environment is going to crack the rings over time.
Additionally, that 225ksi yield strength only gets you to break even capability on specific strength with 7075-T65, but you just drove the cost through the roof with near net machining, through hardening, then post machining the parts and trying to hold them and cut true geometries with 52C material. Likely you'd be forced to have the mating surfaces ground for a precision fit instead of simply cutting them from the AL that you so despise. Grinding is not cheap, nor is it fool proof.
You wanted real numbers, so here's some numbers that are actually applicable to the question at hand. Note carefully that those special FN rings you keep touting are not listing a heat treat, just that they're 4140. You're the one who pulled a narrow bar allowable that is in a shape too small to cut rings from. The bigger the bar, the lower the attainable hardness because of the material quench rate and the heat removal rate during quench.
Here's a look at the material spec quoted for "heat treated 4140".
73ksi yield, 0.102 lb/in^3 --> 73/.102 = 715.7
60ksi yield, 0.284 lb/in^3 --> 60/0.284 = 211.3
735.3/208.3 ~3.39
AL 7075 T65 is appx 3.39x's the specific strength of the material spec that you quoted. However, those material specs quoted on the AISI 4140 seem a little low for a high strength heat treat spec on this steel.
Here's a real material spec to work from: (Anyone can access these online)
AISI 4140 Steel, normalized @ 870C, air cooled, 50mm round
Ultimate = 141 ksi, not 95ksi
Yield = 92ksi, not 60 ksi
AL 7075-T651
Ultimate = 83 ksi
Yield = 73 ksi
Taking a look at the specific strength comparison once again with actual material specs:
AL 7075-T65 (carried through from before) = ~735
4140 from above linked spec: 92ksi/0.284 lb/in^3 = ~324
Which still leaves a comparative difference of 2.21x's in the favor of AL 7075-T65 over the same exact design in Steel.
Your special material, even when the expense is taken to manufacture the parts from that material are a BREAK EVEN PERFORMANCE but the PRICE IS HIGHER.
Win to Al 7075-T65
Your pseudo-intellectual ability to pull inapplicable data is indicative of a severe lack in experience. This is a lesson that young engineers learn in the first 3 semesters of engineering school.
So, again: What are you qualifications?
ETA:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TPS among others does make Ti rings! Stronger than steel, never rust, just won DoD contract to ship overseas. </div></div>
How about some "real numbers" to prove that those Ti rings are stronger than the steel? Sounds an awful lot like you're making claims that you are such a champion against.
The applicability of that heat treat is nil for scope rings. That material spec is so hard, so brittle that it is extremely expensive to machine and hold true when manufacturing. Plus it is prone to low stress fatigue cracking in vibration environments.
That nails the point I made about going to an extremely high strength alloy being far more expensive to manufacture and driving the cost of a product up significantly only to match the capability of the AL 7075-T65.
It also illustrates that you have no experience in actually designing and analyzing things for failure. How about you post up your experience and qualifications level for such an argument?
I have 2 suspicions regarding you.
1) You're a keyboard commando who's busy wiping cheeto stains on his sweat pants in his parents' basement while searching for the highest yield strength steel you can get to post it as a pseudo-proof against AL.
2) OR, and this is a much stronger suspicion: You are somehow connected to a steel alloy scope ring manufacturer/supplier and you have a financial interest to pushing steel rings as the best solution to any kind of scope mounting issue. You're playing a schill game to blow smoke and nonsense because you're afraid of the market share disappearing as modern manufacturing techniques and superior designs for Aluminum alloy, high strength, aerospace grade materials are applied to a product which has for many years been an afterthought to a lot of people.
In reality, the application of 52RC 4140 with an 8% elongation to ultimate failure (not yield, ultimate) would be completely irresponsible of an engineer in this case because the vibratory environment is going to crack the rings over time.
Additionally, that 225ksi yield strength only gets you to break even capability on specific strength with 7075-T65, but you just drove the cost through the roof with near net machining, through hardening, then post machining the parts and trying to hold them and cut true geometries with 52C material. Likely you'd be forced to have the mating surfaces ground for a precision fit instead of simply cutting them from the AL that you so despise. Grinding is not cheap, nor is it fool proof.
You wanted real numbers, so here's some numbers that are actually applicable to the question at hand. Note carefully that those special FN rings you keep touting are not listing a heat treat, just that they're 4140. You're the one who pulled a narrow bar allowable that is in a shape too small to cut rings from. The bigger the bar, the lower the attainable hardness because of the material quench rate and the heat removal rate during quench.
Here's a look at the material spec quoted for "heat treated 4140".
73ksi yield, 0.102 lb/in^3 --> 73/.102 = 715.7
60ksi yield, 0.284 lb/in^3 --> 60/0.284 = 211.3
735.3/208.3 ~3.39
AL 7075 T65 is appx 3.39x's the specific strength of the material spec that you quoted. However, those material specs quoted on the AISI 4140 seem a little low for a high strength heat treat spec on this steel.
Here's a real material spec to work from: (Anyone can access these online)
AISI 4140 Steel, normalized @ 870C, air cooled, 50mm round
Ultimate = 141 ksi, not 95ksi
Yield = 92ksi, not 60 ksi
AL 7075-T651
Ultimate = 83 ksi
Yield = 73 ksi
Taking a look at the specific strength comparison once again with actual material specs:
AL 7075-T65 (carried through from before) = ~735
4140 from above linked spec: 92ksi/0.284 lb/in^3 = ~324
Which still leaves a comparative difference of 2.21x's in the favor of AL 7075-T65 over the same exact design in Steel.
Your special material, even when the expense is taken to manufacture the parts from that material are a BREAK EVEN PERFORMANCE but the PRICE IS HIGHER.
Win to Al 7075-T65
Your pseudo-intellectual ability to pull inapplicable data is indicative of a severe lack in experience. This is a lesson that young engineers learn in the first 3 semesters of engineering school.
So, again: What are you qualifications?
ETA:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TPS among others does make Ti rings! Stronger than steel, never rust, just won DoD contract to ship overseas. </div></div>
How about some "real numbers" to prove that those Ti rings are stronger than the steel? Sounds an awful lot like you're making claims that you are such a champion against.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
whatever brand of glue Bohem sniffs... it's not doing him any harm!
whatever brand of glue Bohem sniffs... it's not doing him any harm!
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
Yes TPS does make Ti rings. See website below. I did not know that. I bet they are expensive. They don't list the price or size ranges.
http://www.tacticalprecision.com/Ti-Max%20Scope%20Rings.htm
If they are over $200 a set, and I bet they are, I would really want to make my rifle as light as possible, and damn the cost. They are trying to sell corrosion protection also and that is true, Ti resists staining better than steel. But anodized Al, Stainless Steel rings, and Parkerized or Cerakoted Al or steel rings will do just as well, in most cases, and at a lower cost.
Yes TPS does make Ti rings. See website below. I did not know that. I bet they are expensive. They don't list the price or size ranges.
http://www.tacticalprecision.com/Ti-Max%20Scope%20Rings.htm
If they are over $200 a set, and I bet they are, I would really want to make my rifle as light as possible, and damn the cost. They are trying to sell corrosion protection also and that is true, Ti resists staining better than steel. But anodized Al, Stainless Steel rings, and Parkerized or Cerakoted Al or steel rings will do just as well, in most cases, and at a lower cost.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kalman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd like to chime in here also, when comparing steel vs Al rings, the only real comparison, is to compare! Not this, "I can't think of a single brand at this time....." Let's compare for example: FN rings, made from 4140 Heat treated steel, I believe this has a strength of around 95,000psi tensile, and 60,000 psi yield. And please let's not be comparing $20.00 rings to $200.00 rings,that would be idiotic. On this very board, an idiot, one that loved to post how smart he was, assured us, that no one could mfg. rings from high quality steel (FN can) that would be as good as Al!!! Of course, when faced with real facts, real rings, really made and really for sale, he went back to sniffing glue, but did not have the balls to post anything like he was going to purchase 50 pairs of FN rings, as they cost far more to make than they were being sold for! My guess is that FN makes money on their rings. Remember, when the beer can crowd wants to convince you of the super high strength of Al vs Steel, make sure they are comparing real-really for sale-actual rings, not some crazy half witted crap! </div></div>
Please don't get me wrong. If it's being made from quailty steel your going to get a quality part. While 4140 is still weaker than 7075-T6, it's not by much (75ksi yield vs 60ksi yield, ultimate strength is irrelovant. If you're part experiances plastic deformation you've got serious problems.
). I was more pointing out when you just see "steel" and no qualification for what kind of steel it is, chance are you've got crap. The same goes for aluminium too. If they're not telling you an alloy it's crap and stay away from it. </div></div>Actually heat treated 4140 ( @ 600F) gives 4140 strength of <span style="text-decoration: underline">225KSI</span> --that works out to to 300% stronger than 7075-T6. In order to have the same strength as heat treated 4140, you would have to use three times as much 7075-T6, weight savings? I think not! </div></div>
The 60ksi was your number, not mine. If you're heat treating the 4140 to a yield strength of 225ksi you're not milling it post heat treatment. You could grind it post treatment, or machine and then heat treat. The first will be ungodly expensive, the seond would will require post machining if you want to hold any tolerance at all. I checked FN's website, they only claim for the rings to be "4140 heat treated". God only knows what that means. Could be anywhere from 60ksi to 250ksi depending on how brittle you want them.
Bohem did a good analysis of the problem in his reply. I'd have to lean towards keyboard warrior if I had to guess.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kalman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd like to chime in here also, when comparing steel vs Al rings, the only real comparison, is to compare! Not this, "I can't think of a single brand at this time....." Let's compare for example: FN rings, made from 4140 Heat treated steel, I believe this has a strength of around 95,000psi tensile, and 60,000 psi yield. And please let's not be comparing $20.00 rings to $200.00 rings,that would be idiotic. On this very board, an idiot, one that loved to post how smart he was, assured us, that no one could mfg. rings from high quality steel (FN can) that would be as good as Al!!! Of course, when faced with real facts, real rings, really made and really for sale, he went back to sniffing glue, but did not have the balls to post anything like he was going to purchase 50 pairs of FN rings, as they cost far more to make than they were being sold for! My guess is that FN makes money on their rings. Remember, when the beer can crowd wants to convince you of the super high strength of Al vs Steel, make sure they are comparing real-really for sale-actual rings, not some crazy half witted crap! </div></div>
Please don't get me wrong. If it's being made from quailty steel your going to get a quality part. While 4140 is still weaker than 7075-T6, it's not by much (75ksi yield vs 60ksi yield, ultimate strength is irrelovant. If you're part experiances plastic deformation you've got serious problems.
The 60ksi was your number, not mine. If you're heat treating the 4140 to a yield strength of 225ksi you're not milling it post heat treatment. You could grind it post treatment, or machine and then heat treat. The first will be ungodly expensive, the seond would will require post machining if you want to hold any tolerance at all. I checked FN's website, they only claim for the rings to be "4140 heat treated". God only knows what that means. Could be anywhere from 60ksi to 250ksi depending on how brittle you want them.
Bohem did a good analysis of the problem in his reply. I'd have to lean towards keyboard warrior if I had to guess.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
I don't know what you're smoking, but it has degraded you ability to read! If you were to take a minute and go up the FN web page you will find, if you can read, that FN states their rings are made from 4140 HEAT TREATED steel alloy. Sorry, but your BS is not cutting it. This is something a normal human should understand-my guess is your on your third wife, kids have moved out and don't talk to you....but that's your problem. The fact is many mfgs make HEAT TREATED rings from 4140 steel-Smith Ent for one, 4140 heat treated 30mm rings both low and med for around $130.00. The facts are- you are so sure no one can make high quality heat treated 4140 rings at an afforadable price, you haven't even looked-you should, you'd find out you are wrong. Why do so many make their rings from Heat Treated 4140? It has nothing to do with you and your glue's "so hard, so brittle that it is extremely expensive to machine and hold true...." Don't know where you pulled that out of, but it stinks. In fact Most of the really fine rings, FN, Smith Ent etc made from HEAT TREATED 4140 are not cracking nor are they tooooo expensive, in fact in many cases they cost less than 'voodoo type Al ring". Now take a deep breath, go back and and read the FN page, then the Smith Ent page etc., HEAT TREATED 4140. Your problem with reading is something that can be worked out-seek help.
I don't know what you're smoking, but it has degraded you ability to read! If you were to take a minute and go up the FN web page you will find, if you can read, that FN states their rings are made from 4140 HEAT TREATED steel alloy. Sorry, but your BS is not cutting it. This is something a normal human should understand-my guess is your on your third wife, kids have moved out and don't talk to you....but that's your problem. The fact is many mfgs make HEAT TREATED rings from 4140 steel-Smith Ent for one, 4140 heat treated 30mm rings both low and med for around $130.00. The facts are- you are so sure no one can make high quality heat treated 4140 rings at an afforadable price, you haven't even looked-you should, you'd find out you are wrong. Why do so many make their rings from Heat Treated 4140? It has nothing to do with you and your glue's "so hard, so brittle that it is extremely expensive to machine and hold true...." Don't know where you pulled that out of, but it stinks. In fact Most of the really fine rings, FN, Smith Ent etc made from HEAT TREATED 4140 are not cracking nor are they tooooo expensive, in fact in many cases they cost less than 'voodoo type Al ring". Now take a deep breath, go back and and read the FN page, then the Smith Ent page etc., HEAT TREATED 4140. Your problem with reading is something that can be worked out-seek help.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CACTUS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for ALL of the info! Just placed my order thro Triad Tactical!
Badger MAX-50 Rings 306-50,Ultra High 1.450, 30mm
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Nice six screw steel rings, won't last for years, but rather for lifetimes-your grandkids will enjoy them some day!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CACTUS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for ALL of the info! Just placed my order thro Triad Tactical!
Badger MAX-50 Rings 306-50,Ultra High 1.450, 30mm
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Nice six screw steel rings, won't last for years, but rather for lifetimes-your grandkids will enjoy them some day!
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
Engineers aside, from real world shooting I have used aluminum 4 screw rings on 408 Chey Tacs and never had any scope slipping after hundreds of rounds.
People make way too much about material and number of screws. Any quality made 4 screw ring whether aluminum or steel will hold the scope on those rifles when installed correctly.
Engineers aside, from real world shooting I have used aluminum 4 screw rings on 408 Chey Tacs and never had any scope slipping after hundreds of rounds.
People make way too much about material and number of screws. Any quality made 4 screw ring whether aluminum or steel will hold the scope on those rifles when installed correctly.
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CACTUS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for ALL of the info! Just placed my order thro Triad Tactical!
Badger MAX-50 Rings 306-50,Ultra High 1.450, 30mm
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Nice six screw steel rings, won't last for years, but rather for lifetimes-your grandkids will enjoy them some day! </div></div>
Please dont say grandkids!!! My oldest is getin close to the age for that to happen!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CACTUS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for ALL of the info! Just placed my order thro Triad Tactical!
Badger MAX-50 Rings 306-50,Ultra High 1.450, 30mm
</div></div>
Nice six screw steel rings, won't last for years, but rather for lifetimes-your grandkids will enjoy them some day! </div></div>
Please dont say grandkids!!! My oldest is getin close to the age for that to happen!
Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know what you're smoking, but it has degraded you ability to read! If you were to take a minute and go up the FN web page you will find, if you can read, that FN states their rings are made from 4140 HEAT TREATED steel alloy. Sorry, but your BS is not cutting it. This is something a normal human should understand-my guess is your on your third wife, kids have moved out and don't talk to you....but that's your problem. The fact is many mfgs make HEAT TREATED rings from 4140 steel-Smith Ent for one, 4140 heat treated 30mm rings both low and med for around $130.00. The facts are- you are so sure no one can make high quality heat treated 4140 rings at an afforadable price, you haven't even looked-you should, you'd find out you are wrong. Why do so many make their rings from Heat Treated 4140? It has nothing to do with you and your glue's "so hard, so brittle that it is extremely expensive to machine and hold true...." Don't know where you pulled that out of, but it stinks. In fact Most of the really fine rings, FN, Smith Ent etc made from HEAT TREATED 4140 are not cracking nor are they tooooo expensive, in fact in many cases they cost less than 'voodoo type Al ring". Now take a deep breath, go back and and read the FN page, then the Smith Ent page etc., HEAT TREATED 4140. Your problem with reading is something that can be worked out-seek help.
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You clearly don't understand the phrase "heat treated" tells you nothing about the heat treatment process they used and by extension the material that results. It's akin to saying Joey was shot with a gun. At first glance it looks like it's useful information "oh my god, joey's been shot!". However if I then tell you joey was shot with an airsoft gun, a paint ball gun, or a rubber band you're not going to be worried. If I tell you he was shot with a 22LR in the leg you'll be conserned, but hardly fearing for his life. If I told you he took a hit to the chest with a .50 bmg it's a whole nother ball game we're talking about. Without knowing what heat treatment they've done, the statement is worthless.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know what you're smoking, but it has degraded you ability to read! If you were to take a minute and go up the FN web page you will find, if you can read, that FN states their rings are made from 4140 HEAT TREATED steel alloy. Sorry, but your BS is not cutting it. This is something a normal human should understand-my guess is your on your third wife, kids have moved out and don't talk to you....but that's your problem. The fact is many mfgs make HEAT TREATED rings from 4140 steel-Smith Ent for one, 4140 heat treated 30mm rings both low and med for around $130.00. The facts are- you are so sure no one can make high quality heat treated 4140 rings at an afforadable price, you haven't even looked-you should, you'd find out you are wrong. Why do so many make their rings from Heat Treated 4140? It has nothing to do with you and your glue's "so hard, so brittle that it is extremely expensive to machine and hold true...." Don't know where you pulled that out of, but it stinks. In fact Most of the really fine rings, FN, Smith Ent etc made from HEAT TREATED 4140 are not cracking nor are they tooooo expensive, in fact in many cases they cost less than 'voodoo type Al ring". Now take a deep breath, go back and and read the FN page, then the Smith Ent page etc., HEAT TREATED 4140. Your problem with reading is something that can be worked out-seek help.
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You clearly don't understand the phrase "heat treated" tells you nothing about the heat treatment process they used and by extension the material that results. It's akin to saying Joey was shot with a gun. At first glance it looks like it's useful information "oh my god, joey's been shot!". However if I then tell you joey was shot with an airsoft gun, a paint ball gun, or a rubber band you're not going to be worried. If I tell you he was shot with a 22LR in the leg you'll be conserned, but hardly fearing for his life. If I told you he took a hit to the chest with a .50 bmg it's a whole nother ball game we're talking about. Without knowing what heat treatment they've done, the statement is worthless.
