Rifle Scopes LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS

[pawprint]

Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kalman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know what you're smoking, but it has degraded you ability to read! If you were to take a minute and go up the FN web page you will find, if you can read, that FN states their rings are made from 4140 HEAT TREATED steel alloy. Sorry, but your BS is not cutting it. This is something a normal human should understand-my guess is your on your third wife, kids have moved out and don't talk to you....but that's your problem. The fact is many mfgs make HEAT TREATED rings from 4140 steel-Smith Ent for one, 4140 heat treated 30mm rings both low and med for around $130.00. The facts are- you are so sure no one can make high quality heat treated 4140 rings at an afforadable price, you haven't even looked-you should, you'd find out you are wrong. Why do so many make their rings from Heat Treated 4140? It has nothing to do with you and your glue's "so hard, so brittle that it is extremely expensive to machine and hold true...." Don't know where you pulled that out of, but it stinks. In fact Most of the really fine rings, FN, Smith Ent etc made from HEAT TREATED 4140 are not cracking nor are they tooooo expensive, in fact in many cases they cost less than 'voodoo type Al ring". Now take a deep breath, go back and and read the FN page, then the Smith Ent page etc., HEAT TREATED 4140. Your problem with reading is something that can be worked out-seek help.
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You clearly don't understand the phrase "heat treated" tells you nothing about the heat treatment process they used and by extension the material that results. It's akin to saying Joey was shot with a gun. At first glance it looks like it's useful information "oh my god, joey's been shot!". However if I then tell you joey was shot with an airsoft gun, a paint ball gun, or a rubber band you're not going to be worried. If I tell you he was shot with a 22LR in the leg you'll be conserned, but hardly fearing for his life. If I told you he took a hit to the chest with a .50 bmg it's a whole nother ball game we're talking about. Without knowing what heat treatment they've done, the statement is worthless.

</div></div>This is a problem with basic reading skills, read the thread, read it twice if necessary. Then go to the FN web page, and read it, twice if necessary. They clearly state their rings are HEAT TREATED. Now maybe you should give them a call, or a letter and explain to FN that they don't understand Heat Treating. When some fool states that FN does not state their rings are HEAT TREATED, but in fact, they do state that their RINGS ARE HEAT TREATED, it is a problem with reading, or worse, sniffing glue would come to mind. Again read the entire thread-a BS statement regarding what FN STATES ON THEIR WEB PAGE was made, don't jump on board that stupidity-all those that can read will easily be able to pick see and read the facts for themselves....

 

[Kalman]

Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kalman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know what you're smoking, but it has degraded you ability to read! If you were to take a minute and go up the FN web page you will find, if you can read, that FN states their rings are made from 4140 HEAT TREATED steel alloy. Sorry, but your BS is not cutting it. This is something a normal human should understand-my guess is your on your third wife, kids have moved out and don't talk to you....but that's your problem. The fact is many mfgs make HEAT TREATED rings from 4140 steel-Smith Ent for one, 4140 heat treated 30mm rings both low and med for around $130.00. The facts are- you are so sure no one can make high quality heat treated 4140 rings at an afforadable price, you haven't even looked-you should, you'd find out you are wrong. Why do so many make their rings from Heat Treated 4140? It has nothing to do with you and your glue's "so hard, so brittle that it is extremely expensive to machine and hold true...." Don't know where you pulled that out of, but it stinks. In fact Most of the really fine rings, FN, Smith Ent etc made from HEAT TREATED 4140 are not cracking nor are they tooooo expensive, in fact in many cases they cost less than 'voodoo type Al ring". Now take a deep breath, go back and and read the FN page, then the Smith Ent page etc., HEAT TREATED 4140. Your problem with reading is something that can be worked out-seek help.
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You clearly don't understand the phrase "heat treated" tells you nothing about the heat treatment process they used and by extension the material that results. It's akin to saying Joey was shot with a gun. At first glance it looks like it's useful information "oh my god, joey's been shot!". However if I then tell you joey was shot with an airsoft gun, a paint ball gun, or a rubber band you're not going to be worried. If I tell you he was shot with a 22LR in the leg you'll be conserned, but hardly fearing for his life. If I told you he took a hit to the chest with a .50 bmg it's a whole nother ball game we're talking about. Without knowing what heat treatment they've done, the statement is worthless.

</div></div>This is a problem with basic reading skills, read the thread, read it twice if necessary. Then go to the FN web page, and read it, twice if necessary. They clearly state their rings are HEAT TREATED. Now maybe you should give them a call, or a letter and explain to FN that they don't understand Heat Treating. When some fool states that FN does not state their rings are HEAT TREATED, but in fact, they do state that their RINGS ARE HEAT TREATED, it is a problem with reading, or worse, sniffing glue would come to mind. Again read the entire thread-a BS statement regarding what FN STATES ON THEIR WEB PAGE was made, don't jump on board that stupidity-all those that can read will easily be able to pick see and read the facts for themselves.... </div></div>

You clearly have a problem with reading. I've never argued FN doesn't heat treat their rings. I have referenced it several times in my posts that FN simply states "heat treated". However simply saying "heat treated" is a worthless adjective. I'd continue but it's clear you didn't read my post, so why bother?

 

[pawprint]

Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS

It is sad how few can read! The following is from bohem on page one of this string:
"You wanted real numbers, so here's some numbers that are actually applicable to the question at hand. Note carefully that those special FN rings you keep touting are not listing a heat treat, just that they're 4140".
Now, for all of you bohem followers, read it, then read it again, then again. Then go to the FN web page, read the specs on their rings, WOW-they claim their rings are heat treated! I offer again-read the posts, then read FN's web page, then read them again, for those having trouble understanding simple ENGLISH!!! The man is either a. a liar(and a drunken sot) b. has trouble reading C. both. In any case, I am only quoting what is easily found on the FN web page, I didn't have any trouble reading it, if you do, please join bohem in an adult ed class-there is help for you.

 

[Kalman]

Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is sad how few can read! The following is from bohem on page one of this string:
"You wanted real numbers, so here's some numbers that are actually applicable to the question at hand. Note carefully that those special FN rings you keep touting are not listing a heat treat, just that they're 4140".
Now, for all of you bohem followers, read it, then read it again, then again. Then go to the FN web page, read the specs on their rings, WOW-they claim their rings are heat treated! I offer again-read the posts, then read FN's web page, then read them again, for those having trouble understanding simple ENGLISH!!! The man is either a. a liar(and a drunken sot) b. has trouble reading C. both. In any case, I am only quoting what is easily found on the FN web page, I didn't have any trouble reading it, if you do, please join bohem in an adult ed class-there is help for you. </div></div>
Hi, my name is Kalman, I'm not Bohem. I still haven't claimed FN wasn't heat treated to some degree.

Even so, he's referring to the hardest heat treatment possible, the 225ksi you yourself posted and suggested they were heat treated to that level.

You keep hurling insults at people while lacking the most basic material science knowledge. Enjoy your ignorant life, I'm done with this thread.

 

[bohem]

Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is sad how few can read! The following is from bohem on page one of this string:
"You wanted real numbers, so here's some numbers that are actually applicable to the question at hand. Note carefully that those special FN rings you keep touting are not listing a heat treat, just that they're 4140".
Now, for all of you bohem followers, read it, then read it again, then again. Then go to the FN web page, read the specs on their rings, WOW-they claim their rings are heat treated! I offer again-read the posts, then read FN's web page, then read them again, for those having trouble understanding simple ENGLISH!!! The man is either a. a liar(and a drunken sot) b. has trouble reading C. both. In any case, I am only quoting what is easily found on the FN web page, I didn't have any trouble reading it, if you do, please join bohem in an adult ed class-there is help for you. </div></div>

You've shown a capability to misconstrue a quote at a lame attempt in proving a point. I said that they don't list a heat treat spec. What you're quoting over and over again has proved several of my comments. FN doesn't say anything about what spec they use, they just say that they're heat treated.

Here's a little piece of info: Annealing is a heat treat. Normalizing is a heat treat. Heat/quench/normalize is a heat treat. Cryo-process on barrels is a heat treat.

Anything that uses a temperature change based process to modify material behavior is a heat treat process.

Now, which one is FN using? They quote 4140 Heat Treated. Is it 4140 annealed? Maybe it's 4140 cryo stress relieved?

Here's the list of various heat specs that Matweb lists for 4140. There are 44 of them on the list, and that's just the common ones.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Which one is FN using?</span>

You can't answer these questions from the information on their website, that's why I called you out on the reference; it is meaningless, marketing fluff... and you swallowed it.

Kalman clearly pointed that out to you at least twice, but your reading comprehension skills are so poor the only thing you can do is redirect into calling out my personal attributes.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then go to the FN web page, read the specs on their rings, WOW-they claim their rings are heat treated! </div></div>

We know that, and I will reiterate this again: What heat treat spec are they using?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The man is either a. a liar(and a drunken sot) b. has trouble reading C. both</div></div>

Reading your poorly punctuated, poorly capitalized, jumbled posts, it is quite obvious between the two of us who is the borderline illiterate sod.

Forget the engineering classes I offered previously, you need to get this instead.

 

[pawprint]

Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS

There is nothing like changing the parameters in order to hide the fact that you are a liar. Maybe you were drunk again, sniffing glue, or just have a few screws loose, who knows? Put down that crack pipe, and re-read your own statement! You feel your pronouncements are so important that those reading them should know what you meant--Even if that isn't what you said??? You have a serious problem-get help. Here is your statement:
""""You wanted real numbers, so here's some numbers that are actually applicable to the question at hand. Note carefully that those special FN rings you keep touting are not listing a heat treat, just that they're 4140.""""

Where did you saye, TYPE of heat treat? You didn't, in fact, if anyone other than you were to read your statement, it is quite clear, you had trouble reading the FN web site, or due to your mental condition(s) you see what you would like to see, the facts be damned. I'm sure you have a happy household! It must be hard to live with a fool that is right, even when he is wrong!
Remember, "just that they're 4140""", but in fact FN'S WEB PAGE STATES: heat treated-get a life, your lies are a joke, rather than admit you lied, you come up with this crap-I'm sure it works at your home, but this is the real world, chump, anyone reading your dribble, can see you are in need of help-get it.

 

[bohem]

Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS

In the real world, what do you do which makes you such an expert on material science? Stop puss-ing out on that question, you demand answers, answer that and quit being a bitch about it.

I used the term "spec" more than a dozen times in the posts and was very clear about it. So far, the only being who hasn't managed to see that is you.

If you had any material's science or engineering education/experience you'd know that when someone says "what heat treat?" It's short for "What heat treat specification is being applied to that material?" Yet again, your ineptitude and complete lack of applicable experience shows.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You wanted real numbers, so here's some numbers that are actually applicable to the question at hand. Note carefully that those special FN rings you keep touting are not listing a heat treat, just that they're 4140</div></div>

Here's the quote from FN's listing:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Precision machined as a matching pair from <span style="font-weight: bold">heat-treated 4140 steel alloy</span>. Integrated recoil lug. Each ring has six 8-32 stainless steel TORX screws and large steel side clamp and clamping nut. Designed for MIL-STD 1913 mounting rails. Optical centerline is 1" above rail surface </div></div>

WHAT HEAT TREAT DID THEY USE? You can't answer it because they don't list it. Hence what Kalman and I have BOTH told you. Missing or incomplete material specs means BS.

I'm more and more convinced each time you dodge the questions of your qualifications and your affiliation to the product that you're full of shit and simply stirring the pot to confuse the less informed who might actually want correct information regarding the use of steel and aluminum in various products.

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: LOOK FOR 6 SCREW STEEL RINGS

Listen Bohem, and listen good. Paw Print may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot. Respond to him accordingly.