Rifle Scopes Looking at getting my first scope

[Twitched]

I will be putting it on a M&P 15-22. I want to be able to eventually shoot up to 300 yards or maybe more so I was thinking something like a 6-24 variable power would be a good match (I'm guessing most of you guys will say I don't need that much) the reason I want the higher power is again eventually I would like to be able to do 1in groups or better at 200 yards or more out.

So I was wondering what kind of experience you guys have had with Vortex? Like how well they are made, how the picture is and how well they hold up over time, btw I'm looking at them because I don't have a ton of money to spend on a scope, was hoping to spend $200 or less.

I don't know if this will help you guys out at all or not but I can currently consistently hit an 8" target at 100y with the stock iron sights, yes I know it's not great but I'm also a fairly new shooter lol

Thanks for the info in advance and any tips or pointers you guys have are more then welcome.

 

[KeithR41]

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Ummmm, Nevermind. I'll give someone else a turn.

(Dig in, hold on and put on a good pair of boots cause shit gonna get deep up in this bitch!)


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[Twitched]

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Good shit or bad shit? lol

And before anyone says anything I have been doing reading but there is a lot of info so it's hard to know what's good or not and what good brands are as far as scopes go.

 

[KeithR41]

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Yes, the Vortex is a solid choice for a first optic. There are bigger issues here.....

I don't feel like typing an essay on my tiny phone keyboard so....

Next!

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[Twitched]

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Right on well I look forward to the pointers you guys have to offer.

 

[KeithR41]

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You seem to have a good attitude so ill try and help. First and foremost you need a rifle that is capable of making 300 yds. The M&P 15-22 is certainly not it.

Secondly, I would spend my money on AMMO for above rifle rather than buy a scope for an unsuitable rifle. You can find a REM 700 30-06 ADL for $350 if you shop around, might even have a starter scope on it.

There is also the Stevens rifle for even cheaper. Someone else will have to tell you where to look for it though.

Gotta go, more to follow

 

[KeithR41]

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Anyway, if you just can't swing a center fire caliber, I would buy several cases of ammo and learn to shoot what you've got. I would also invest in some professional training and at least sign up for the online training.

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[Twitched]

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What makes you say the 15-22 is unsuitable for those ranges? Right now I can hit paper at 100y without a problem I'd just really like it if my target wasn't as small or smaller then my front post while I'm trying to get better groups lol.

I actually have a Rock River AR15 I just can't afford to put as many rounds though it right now as the .22(5 - 10 bucks per a mag vs 10 bucks per 10 mags is a huge difference) which is why right now I'm mainly looking to learn how to shoot tighter groups with the .22.

Yea I saw the online training when I first joined but I don't seem to have access to it to check it out, the titles make it seem like it could be interesting enough though.

Again thanks for the help and input.

 

[BobinNC]

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Twitched,

They are saying the 15-22 is unsuitable for ranges over 200 yds. and is generally not accurate at ranges over 100 yds.

Further, most scopes in the $200. range are unsuitable to get a rimfire to 250 yds. much less to 300 yds and beyond.

Here's why:

.22 LR Match Ammo zero range 50 yds - Drop @:

200 yds 28.0 MOA
250 Yds 40.3 MOA
300 Yds 53.7 MOA
350 Yds 68.5 MOA

Being able to adjust for that much drop, takes a variable scope with a large adjustment range, and they are not cheap. I would forget getting a $200. 6-24 that will work as intended.

However, an inexpensive SWFA 10x42 Super Sniper is under $300. and has 125 MOA+ of adjustment.

 

[Twitched]

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Thanks for the info, I think I can be happy at 200y then. I really just want to push the 15-22 and myself to the max capabilities before I have to drop the cash to upgrade to a better rifle.

 

[KeithR41]

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I hereby reverse my opinion to that of my first post.

fair game!

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[JFComfort]

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[njlohmann]

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My friend...

There seem to be a lot of things that you are not understanding.
1) Your <span style="font-style: italic">"rifle"</span> will Never be usable at the distances you seem to think it will be. I'm not saying that it's a bad gun, simply that it was only ever intended for short range plinking.
2) The fact that you (for some unknown reason) believe that your <span style="font-style: italic">"rifle"</span> would be able to hold 1in groups at 200 yards made me fall off my chair. 1/2 moa groups like that are reasonably good by center-fire rifle standards.
3) Even if your <span style="font-style: italic">"rifle"</span> was capable of reaching to 300 yards, a 6-24 power scope would be so much overkill it's not even funny.
4) You are never going to find a "usable" scope that falls into your criteria. A 6-24 power scope that costs less then $200 is basically a paperweight.
5) For the love of all that is holy doesn't anyone know how to do their own research around here? I know you are a new member but in a previous thread you were informed that people around here do not enjoy being pumped for knowledge that can easily be obtained by simply reading a few older posts.

(I suppose at the very least you didn't ask if you should buy a Savage or a Remington)

 

[FPO]

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Can't echo the training enough. Definitely the way to go.

 

[Frenchie661]

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6x24 for a .22? Whoa, man. Stick with iron sights until you can afford a bigger caliber... At least .223 or so.

 

[Longshot38]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twitched</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will be putting it on a M&P 15-22. I want to be able to eventually shoot up to 300 yards or maybe more so I was thinking something like a 6-24 variable power would be a good match (I'm guessing most of you guys will say I don't need that much) the reason I want the higher power is again eventually I would like to be able to do 1in groups or better at 200 yards or more out.</div></div>

While you are at it why not try changing you tire with a pair of pliers. I think it would be about as effective. Accuracy has little to do with the amount of magnification your scope has, rather it is all about the rifle and shooter. If your goal is 1/2 MOA (roughly anyway) then start running reduced target drills with that 22 and start working on your form. This will get you MUCH farther then buying any optic.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twitched</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I was wondering what kind of experience you guys have had with Vortex? Like how well they are made, how the picture is and how well they hold up over time, btw I'm looking at them because I don't have a ton of money to spend on a scope, was hoping to spend $200 or less.</div></div>

$200 is a laughable budget for decent optics. While one doesn't have to spend a fortune to get a reasonable and function-able scope some money is required. under $500 you can get something that falls into this category, under $1000 you can get a decent scope, $1000-$1700 you can get a nice scope, $1700+ you can get a really nice scope that will leave you wondering how you got by with less for so long. So save you pennies, stop eating out for a while, and give up a bad habit or two. Then before you know it you will be able to get a decent scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twitched</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know if this will help you guys out at all or not but I can currently consistently hit an 8" target at 100y with the stock iron sights, yes I know it's not great but I'm also a fairly new shooter lol</div></div>

Back to my previous comment. With practice there is no reason why one can't maintain a consistent 1-2 MOA groups with irons at that distance. Accuracy is 75% shooter and 25% equipment. While many of us spend sizable sums of money on gear we invest even more time behind reloading benches and rifles working perfecting our ammunition and form.