The HMR pro for 1100 could be a smoking deal depending on the caliber and rounds down the tube. Your getting a premium action, trigger tech special and its hand build in the US
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It sounds like most people think howa is a better value than tikka, but tikka is a little better performance
Given those prices I would do Tikka too. The Howa at a $1000 loses its value too much. I put my “Howa Bravo” together in the $700 range. It seems Brownells raised their barreled action prices since the time I bought mine.
24” in 6.5 Creedmoor. Exactly what I am looking for. Starting to lean this way, but I’ve felt the action on a standard HMR and a tikka varmit and think the tikka is smoother.The HMR pro for 1100 could be a smoking deal depending on the caliber and rounds down the tube. Your getting a premium action, trigger tech special and its hand build in the US
Depending on the specific model barreled action and sales/promotions you can come out above or below the complete package once you add in the cost of the magazine. Its worth it to compare prices between equivalent set ups but the complete package isnt something youre going to fleece yourself over if you do choose the all in one option.Yeah it looks like I could actually buy the barreled action from them and buy a bravo and just assemble it for less than the bravo package. Kind of odd
The premise series actions from Bergara are a whole other world compared to the B14 actions. They are the same ones they do the custom shop builds off of.
Has anyone had similar issues? Seems like this person has done their due dilligence and it’s not a one off. I don’t see these issues mentioned anywhere else as far as I can tell...I purchased a Bergara LRP Elite in 6.5 Creed about 6 months ago for a first PRS rifle. The rifle shoots very well, but I quickly learned that it would shift POI about 1.75" upward as it headed up (usually between rounds 3 and 6). I had a APA Little Bastard brake on it at the time. I called Bergara, and they told me that this is a known problem and that the rifle was never meant to be fired quickly as it was more of a match gun. After I explained the error of that reasoning, they admitted that it was a design flaw and that they are replacing it with a heavier contour on future models.
When I asked them about rebarreling, I was told that they could rebarrel in house for $500 to any barrel offered on a current rifle. The heaviest barrel contour offered is in the Ridgeback with a medium palma in 24". They also offered to sell me a prefit for $300 with a threaded crown and polished stainless in medium palma. I opted for the prefit and should get it in the mail soon. They claim it is the AI style and does not require a lathe or a nut, so we'll see how it works.
I have several buddies who shoot Bergara rifles, and I have personally witnessed 3 HMRs fail at local matches due to extractor issues. I have also seen two premium actions fail for more or less the same reason. I have a friend with a HMR Pro with the heavy barrel in 6.5 Creed who has had the same POI issues that I have experienced howbeit to a greater degree. We have found that lighter muzzle brakes reduce the POI shift, but it is definitely still there. I assume the shift is due to minor issues in manufacturing, but it could very well be the profile is simply too light for competition. This is concerning that a barrel company cannot offer a better selection of barrels for their comp guns, but it sounds like they are working on the issue.They sell their premier action for $975 and a barreled action for $1,200 which might be a better route for those looking to get into competitive shooting. Bergara is more that happy to email you the action plans if you need them to request a prefit from a third company.
Overall, I have lost a lot of faith in Bergara but haven't left them as a customer simply because they have alright customer service and I'm kinda invested at this point. If they were to offer a better barrel selection and correct the POI and extractor issues, they would be back on the playing field as an economic alternative to many of the other brands. However, I wouldn't buy into Bergara at this time if I were purchasing my first rifle (check out the MPA barreled actions for $1,500). Hopefully, this helps a few folks make an informed decision and avoid some of the issues I have experienced.
Haven't had an issue in that regard with my B14 HMR, or any of the Bergaras I own, neither have any of my friends who own one. I would go with a Bergara over a Howa any day because it is a Remington 700 footprint and, although Bergara temporarily stopped their rebarreling due to "production issues", there are more and more gunsmith shops out there now that will rebarrel Bergaras, coned bolt nose and all.So I’m doing some more research on the HMR pro and came across this post:
Has anyone had similar issues? Seems like this person has done their due dilligence and it’s not a one off. I don’t see these issues mentioned anywhere else as far as I can tell...
Good to hear a different experience. I do like that if I go Bergara I don’t plan to change the stock or anything so can run production division if it try PRS.Haven't had an issue in that regard with my B14 HMR, or any of the Bergaras I own, neither have any of my friends who own one. I would go with a Bergara over a Howa any day because it is a Remington 700 footprint and, although Bergara temporarily stopped their rebarreling due to "production issues", there are more and more gunsmith shops out there now that will rebarrel Bergaras, coned bolt nose and all.
Thank you very much for the kind words and well wishes. I can’t wait to hear that steel running myself!which ever one makes you smile at the thought of shooting the most . I have no real answer for you they all are niceguns in there own way good luck and happy shooting on which ever you pick . no matter which gun i am shooting that ting of steel being hit just makes me smile . sunshine on a rainy day , good company , and above ground all just add to the experience .
Ps. Anyone know how to find a bookmarked comment? Can’t find it anywhere
Yeah didn’t think about the fact that I’m on a mobile! WhoopsClick your name in the upper right and then click on the bookmarks tab in the popup window
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The good thing about Howa's is that you can get the barrelled action by itself and then pair it with the many chassis options offered today.So buy the barreled action, or the two separate?
Seems like Howa is also popular. Anyone had experience with the tikkas and howa and can compare the two?