Rifle Scopes Low cost rings (Burris)
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Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
I have been told they are not bad, but if you are spending much $$$ on your scope, then you should do the same on your rings/mount.
I have been told they are not bad, but if you are spending much $$$ on your scope, then you should do the same on your rings/mount.
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
I would suggest TPS rings for a lower cost effective ring set. Your base and rings are not something you should budget shop for. If you can afford a set of Badgers/Nightforce/Seekins skimp on other areas of your build if you have to, might save yourself a headache down the road.
I would suggest TPS rings for a lower cost effective ring set. Your base and rings are not something you should budget shop for. If you can afford a set of Badgers/Nightforce/Seekins skimp on other areas of your build if you have to, might save yourself a headache down the road.
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tip2oo3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would suggest TPS rings for a lower cost effective ring set. Your base and rings are not something you should budget shop for. If you can afford a set of Badgers/Nightforce/Seekins skimp on other areas of your build if you have to, might save yourself a headache down the road. </div></div>
what can I skimp on?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tip2oo3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would suggest TPS rings for a lower cost effective ring set. Your base and rings are not something you should budget shop for. If you can afford a set of Badgers/Nightforce/Seekins skimp on other areas of your build if you have to, might save yourself a headache down the road. </div></div>
what can I skimp on?
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
I have a set of XTR's that are currently in use on my AR-15.
They were originally on my 308, but when I upgraded my scope, I upgraded to Seekins rings and a Warne base.
I have never had any sort of failure with my XTR's and for the price would probably recommend them, but there is definitely a clear difference in fit and finish between the XTR's and the Seekins. I could tell the difference as soon as I set my scope in the Seekins rings.
As always, you get what you pay for...buy the best you can afford.
I have a set of XTR's that are currently in use on my AR-15.
They were originally on my 308, but when I upgraded my scope, I upgraded to Seekins rings and a Warne base.
I have never had any sort of failure with my XTR's and for the price would probably recommend them, but there is definitely a clear difference in fit and finish between the XTR's and the Seekins. I could tell the difference as soon as I set my scope in the Seekins rings.
As always, you get what you pay for...buy the best you can afford.
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tip2oo3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would suggest TPS rings for a lower cost effective ring set. Your base and rings are not something you should budget shop for. If you can afford a set of Badgers/Nightforce/Seekins skimp on other areas of your build if you have to, might save yourself a headache down the road. </div></div>
what can I skimp on? </div></div>
Don't skimp. I'm guessing you've spent 1000$ on your rifle and optics at a minimum, you're going to save what, 50$ on a set of rings?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tip2oo3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would suggest TPS rings for a lower cost effective ring set. Your base and rings are not something you should budget shop for. If you can afford a set of Badgers/Nightforce/Seekins skimp on other areas of your build if you have to, might save yourself a headache down the road. </div></div>
what can I skimp on? </div></div>
Don't skimp. I'm guessing you've spent 1000$ on your rifle and optics at a minimum, you're going to save what, 50$ on a set of rings?
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kalman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tip2oo3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would suggest TPS rings for a lower cost effective ring set. Your base and rings are not something you should budget shop for. If you can afford a set of Badgers/Nightforce/Seekins skimp on other areas of your build if you have to, might save yourself a headache down the road. </div></div>
what can I skimp on? </div></div>
Don't skimp. I'm guessing you've spent 1000$ on your rifle and optics at a minimum, you're going to save what, 50$ on a set of rings? </div></div>
my woman is going to fucking kill me
1000 budget turned into a 1500 budget.
Started off with a TRS-1, and I got conviced to get a 700 dollar weaver. now i gotta spend like 200 dollars on base and rings.
lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kalman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tip2oo3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would suggest TPS rings for a lower cost effective ring set. Your base and rings are not something you should budget shop for. If you can afford a set of Badgers/Nightforce/Seekins skimp on other areas of your build if you have to, might save yourself a headache down the road. </div></div>
what can I skimp on? </div></div>
Don't skimp. I'm guessing you've spent 1000$ on your rifle and optics at a minimum, you're going to save what, 50$ on a set of rings? </div></div>
my woman is going to fucking kill me
1000 budget turned into a 1500 budget.
Started off with a TRS-1, and I got conviced to get a 700 dollar weaver. now i gotta spend like 200 dollars on base and rings.
lol
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kalman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tip2oo3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would suggest TPS rings for a lower cost effective ring set. Your base and rings are not something you should budget shop for. If you can afford a set of Badgers/Nightforce/Seekins skimp on other areas of your build if you have to, might save yourself a headache down the road. </div></div>
what can I skimp on? </div></div>
Don't skimp. I'm guessing you've spent 1000$ on your rifle and optics at a minimum, you're going to save what, 50$ on a set of rings? </div></div>
my woman is going to fucking kill me
1000 budget turned into a 1500 budget.
Started off with a TRS-1, and I got conviced to get a 700 dollar weaver. now i gotta spend like 200 dollars on base and rings.
lol </div></div> welcome to the club my wife has been asking me when will it end for 10 years now lol.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kalman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tip2oo3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would suggest TPS rings for a lower cost effective ring set. Your base and rings are not something you should budget shop for. If you can afford a set of Badgers/Nightforce/Seekins skimp on other areas of your build if you have to, might save yourself a headache down the road. </div></div>
what can I skimp on? </div></div>
Don't skimp. I'm guessing you've spent 1000$ on your rifle and optics at a minimum, you're going to save what, 50$ on a set of rings? </div></div>
my woman is going to fucking kill me
1000 budget turned into a 1500 budget.
Started off with a TRS-1, and I got conviced to get a 700 dollar weaver. now i gotta spend like 200 dollars on base and rings.
lol </div></div> welcome to the club my wife has been asking me when will it end for 10 years now lol.
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
As some have stated, buy what you can afford. You always want to try and purchase the best but sometimes life gets in the way. ha! But to answer your questions, I have used Burris rings and they have never let me down. Best of luck!
As some have stated, buy what you can afford. You always want to try and purchase the best but sometimes life gets in the way. ha! But to answer your questions, I have used Burris rings and they have never let me down. Best of luck!
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
I've had a set of XTR's on a VSSF 223 for about six years now with absolutely no problems and I'm not exactly easy on it. If you FU bad enough to hurt the XTR's your scope will more than likely be history first.
okie
I've had a set of XTR's on a VSSF 223 for about six years now with absolutely no problems and I'm not exactly easy on it. If you FU bad enough to hurt the XTR's your scope will more than likely be history first.
okie
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
why are their sizes so off? they measure differently?
I was looking at TPS, and their superlow is .82
seekins low is .82
Burris XTR low is "1/4" that's .25 inches!!!
.82 vs .25!?
so for my scope I need a .82-.87 ring, which is low for most. but for the burris, it's gotta be the X High at 1 inch?
something isn't making sense.
I think Burris is talking about height of ring vs others height from bottom to midpoint
I can get the Weaver ones too, those look pretty well made also.
why are their sizes so off? they measure differently?
I was looking at TPS, and their superlow is .82
seekins low is .82
Burris XTR low is "1/4" that's .25 inches!!!
.82 vs .25!?
so for my scope I need a .82-.87 ring, which is low for most. but for the burris, it's gotta be the X High at 1 inch?
something isn't making sense.
I think Burris is talking about height of ring vs others height from bottom to midpoint
I can get the Weaver ones too, those look pretty well made also.
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
Look at what is being measured. The Burris rings are measured from the top of the rail to the bottom of the "hole" the scope sits in. Others measure from the top of the rail to the center of that same hole. 1"=about 25mm. A set of Seekins or TPS rings at .82" should allow a 40mm objective to clear the rail. Assuming you have a 30mm tube, add .6" (1/2 of 30mm) to the given measurement for Burris rings to get the equivalent in other (properly measured?) rings.
Look at what is being measured. The Burris rings are measured from the top of the rail to the bottom of the "hole" the scope sits in. Others measure from the top of the rail to the center of that same hole. 1"=about 25mm. A set of Seekins or TPS rings at .82" should allow a 40mm objective to clear the rail. Assuming you have a 30mm tube, add .6" (1/2 of 30mm) to the given measurement for Burris rings to get the equivalent in other (properly measured?) rings.
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
I have a set of the burris xtr rings, and have had no problems. they are built well. If you have the extra money then go all the way, and spend $150-200 on a set of rings. It always comes down to what you can afford and how much of a difference you will really see. Good luck with your choice.
I have a set of the burris xtr rings, and have had no problems. they are built well. If you have the extra money then go all the way, and spend $150-200 on a set of rings. It always comes down to what you can afford and how much of a difference you will really see. Good luck with your choice.
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
Badger, Nightforce, Barrett, etc. rings are of course higher quality than the Burris XTRs. That being said, you shouldn't have any problem whatsoever with the XTRs. They should be more than capable. I've been running a set for a few hundred rounds on a .308 with no issues at all. It seems to me that you'd have to seriously screw something up to get a Burris XTR failure.
Badger, Nightforce, Barrett, etc. rings are of course higher quality than the Burris XTRs. That being said, you shouldn't have any problem whatsoever with the XTRs. They should be more than capable. I've been running a set for a few hundred rounds on a .308 with no issues at all. It seems to me that you'd have to seriously screw something up to get a Burris XTR failure.
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
I have XTRs on a 7STW, and had them on a 300WM. No ring marks on either scope and never had a problem with them moving once torqued right.
I have XTRs on a 7STW, and had them on a 300WM. No ring marks on either scope and never had a problem with them moving once torqued right.
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
The pair I have aren't right and result in a POI shift that nearly removed all my elevation travel. I only realized this when I added a 20moa badger riser rail and it didn't do anything. Then when I looked at the riser with the rings on and then off, I visibly could see that it was flexing upwards with the rings on.
These are rings you should lap.
I also hate the fact that the low version doesn't have the clamping foot go the entire length of the ring. On top of this the fixed clamping foot's round shape is incompatible with certain picatiny rails which don't conform to the picatiny spec of how much relief there should be under the dovetail of the rail. Finally tightening the rings to the base really feels weird. Normal rings, hand tight then 1/4 turn feels solid. 1/2 a turn on these before they start feeling solid. It's like they're flexing. Torque wrench agrees with this observation
Personally, the TPS rings I have are a crap ton better. But I'd only get the Steel TPS rings. I've seen the fixed clamping foot bust on an aluminum TPS. (All my TPS ring does, is hold a goofy electronic level, but the quality is obviously better than this Burris rings.)
I'd get seekins. Or I'd buy used badgers.
When I used quality rings and bases to mount my optics, I've had zero issues and great adjustment range. Don't skimp on such a key component.
The pair I have aren't right and result in a POI shift that nearly removed all my elevation travel. I only realized this when I added a 20moa badger riser rail and it didn't do anything. Then when I looked at the riser with the rings on and then off, I visibly could see that it was flexing upwards with the rings on.
These are rings you should lap.
I also hate the fact that the low version doesn't have the clamping foot go the entire length of the ring. On top of this the fixed clamping foot's round shape is incompatible with certain picatiny rails which don't conform to the picatiny spec of how much relief there should be under the dovetail of the rail. Finally tightening the rings to the base really feels weird. Normal rings, hand tight then 1/4 turn feels solid. 1/2 a turn on these before they start feeling solid. It's like they're flexing. Torque wrench agrees with this observation
Personally, the TPS rings I have are a crap ton better. But I'd only get the Steel TPS rings. I've seen the fixed clamping foot bust on an aluminum TPS. (All my TPS ring does, is hold a goofy electronic level, but the quality is obviously better than this Burris rings.)
I'd get seekins. Or I'd buy used badgers.
When I used quality rings and bases to mount my optics, I've had zero issues and great adjustment range. Don't skimp on such a key component.
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Salmonaxe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The pair I have aren't right and result in a POI shift that nearly removed all my elevation travel. I only realized this when I added a 20moa badger riser rail and it didn't do anything. Then when I looked at the riser with the rings on and then off, I visibly could see that it was flexing upwards with the rings on.
These are rings you should lap.
I also hate the fact that the low version doesn't have the clamping foot go the entire length of the ring. On top of this the fixed clamping foot's round shape is incompatible with certain picatiny rails which don't conform to the picatiny spec of how much relief there should be under the dovetail of the rail. Finally tightening the rings to the base really feels weird. Normal rings, hand tight then 1/4 turn feels solid. 1/2 a turn on these before they start feeling solid. It's like they're flexing. Torque wrench agrees with this observation
Personally, the TPS rings I have are a crap ton better. But I'd only get the Steel TPS rings. I've seen the fixed clamping foot bust on an aluminum TPS. (All my TPS ring does, is hold a goofy electronic level, but the quality is obviously better than this Burris rings.)
I'd get seekins. Or I'd buy used badgers.
When I used quality rings and bases to mount my optics, I've had zero issues and great adjustment range. Don't skimp on such a key component. </div></div>Very good advice +1!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Salmonaxe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The pair I have aren't right and result in a POI shift that nearly removed all my elevation travel. I only realized this when I added a 20moa badger riser rail and it didn't do anything. Then when I looked at the riser with the rings on and then off, I visibly could see that it was flexing upwards with the rings on.
These are rings you should lap.
I also hate the fact that the low version doesn't have the clamping foot go the entire length of the ring. On top of this the fixed clamping foot's round shape is incompatible with certain picatiny rails which don't conform to the picatiny spec of how much relief there should be under the dovetail of the rail. Finally tightening the rings to the base really feels weird. Normal rings, hand tight then 1/4 turn feels solid. 1/2 a turn on these before they start feeling solid. It's like they're flexing. Torque wrench agrees with this observation
Personally, the TPS rings I have are a crap ton better. But I'd only get the Steel TPS rings. I've seen the fixed clamping foot bust on an aluminum TPS. (All my TPS ring does, is hold a goofy electronic level, but the quality is obviously better than this Burris rings.)
I'd get seekins. Or I'd buy used badgers.
When I used quality rings and bases to mount my optics, I've had zero issues and great adjustment range. Don't skimp on such a key component. </div></div>Very good advice +1!!!
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
Warne are the cheapest I'd go, after that Leupie. I buy mine used off ebay, I think my last pair of 30mm warne lows were 21$ shipped. They are on a 300win mag and work fine, no the scope is not bent or crushed but it's also a leupold I got for free. If it were a scope I spent a lot on I would spend a fair amount on rings too for the piece of mind. Seekins are the best.
Warne are the cheapest I'd go, after that Leupie. I buy mine used off ebay, I think my last pair of 30mm warne lows were 21$ shipped. They are on a 300win mag and work fine, no the scope is not bent or crushed but it's also a leupold I got for free. If it were a scope I spent a lot on I would spend a fair amount on rings too for the piece of mind. Seekins are the best.
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Warne are the cheapest I'd go, after that Leupie. I buy mine used off ebay, I think my last pair of 30mm warne lows were 21$ shipped. They are on a 300win mag and work fine, no the scope is not bent or crushed but it's also a leupold I got for free. If it were a scope I spent a lot on I would spend a fair amount on rings too for the piece of mind. Seekins are the best.
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Yeah, I'm getting the HDMR by horus, so it's a 34mm, which means I can't get the XTRs. I'll be getting the warne with weaver base. I think it's 1 step up from XTR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Warne are the cheapest I'd go, after that Leupie. I buy mine used off ebay, I think my last pair of 30mm warne lows were 21$ shipped. They are on a 300win mag and work fine, no the scope is not bent or crushed but it's also a leupold I got for free. If it were a scope I spent a lot on I would spend a fair amount on rings too for the piece of mind. Seekins are the best.
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Yeah, I'm getting the HDMR by horus, so it's a 34mm, which means I can't get the XTRs. I'll be getting the warne with weaver base. I think it's 1 step up from XTR
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
I have a set on my .308 and they have worked fine. I would recomend lapping but, I do that on any rings. For the price I think they are a good value and would use them in the future if I was short on money during a build.
I have a set on my .308 and they have worked fine. I would recomend lapping but, I do that on any rings. For the price I think they are a good value and would use them in the future if I was short on money during a build.
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
I have xtr's in 25mm on my 300 win mag. My POI does shift a little bit, usually within 3 clicks on my buckmasters.
I am not sure if its the rings or scope, but I have a bedded 20MOA steel farrel base so im sure its not that. Im 90% sure its the nikon. I lapped the rings, the lapping bar cost the same as the rings, but I will do all my rings from now on.
Overall im happy, but when I order a schmidt I will not be buying alloy, nor burris, if that says anything?
Ive heard great things about nightforce ultralights, but they dont do 1 inch tubes anyways, and I can shoot 1/2moa with the burris, so meh.
Chris
I have xtr's in 25mm on my 300 win mag. My POI does shift a little bit, usually within 3 clicks on my buckmasters.
I am not sure if its the rings or scope, but I have a bedded 20MOA steel farrel base so im sure its not that. Im 90% sure its the nikon. I lapped the rings, the lapping bar cost the same as the rings, but I will do all my rings from now on.
Overall im happy, but when I order a schmidt I will not be buying alloy, nor burris, if that says anything?
Ive heard great things about nightforce ultralights, but they dont do 1 inch tubes anyways, and I can shoot 1/2moa with the burris, so meh.
Chris
Re: Low cost rings (Burris)
I run the XTR's on a AR-10 in .243, a Rem 700 in 7.82 Patriot & a custom Rem 700 in .338 RUM. They are all 30mm, none of them have ever let me down, I do believe that correct installation is key. My last build in 6-284 I decided to try the NightForce Direct mount... there is a quality difference as far as fit & finish are concerned, but to this point "pretty" hasn't shot any better.
I run the XTR's on a AR-10 in .243, a Rem 700 in 7.82 Patriot & a custom Rem 700 in .338 RUM. They are all 30mm, none of them have ever let me down, I do believe that correct installation is key. My last build in 6-284 I decided to try the NightForce Direct mount... there is a quality difference as far as fit & finish are concerned, but to this point "pretty" hasn't shot any better.
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