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Re: Lower question.
Uh not sure but depending on the state/local laws a lower is just a long gun, unless of course its a registered handgun lower. By federal law a person 18 years old may purchase a longgun.
I'd check with a dealer in your state
Uh not sure but depending on the state/local laws a lower is just a long gun, unless of course its a registered handgun lower. By federal law a person 18 years old may purchase a longgun.
I'd check with a dealer in your state
Re: Lower question.
Ck, Don't know what state you're in but here in Oregon nobody under 21 can buy a firearm. They can own and/or possess but not buy.
I doubt it can be modified in a way that would make it legal for a minor.
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Ck, Don't know what state you're in but here in Oregon nobody under 21 can buy a firearm. They can own and/or possess but not buy.
I doubt it can be modified in a way that would make it legal for a minor.
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Re: Lower question.
California sorry I forgot to add that.
I know here in CA you can buy a complete ar 15 as soon as your 18.. But a stripped lower you have to be 21..
If you put a LPK in it is it legal for a someone 21 to buy??
Or does it need to have an upper put on it??
Or do you need complete upper and complete lowers to be put together for it to be noted as "complete"
Im looking to buy a ar but dont have $1000 to shell out for the one I want (I've made up my mind dont suggest other cheaper ar's) at the moment but have an upper ready to go and the lower I want is now on sale till the end of december.
But im 6 months short of being 21 so I need to find out what I need to have done to it to be able to buy it.
California sorry I forgot to add that.
I know here in CA you can buy a complete ar 15 as soon as your 18.. But a stripped lower you have to be 21..
If you put a LPK in it is it legal for a someone 21 to buy??
Or does it need to have an upper put on it??
Or do you need complete upper and complete lowers to be put together for it to be noted as "complete"
Im looking to buy a ar but dont have $1000 to shell out for the one I want (I've made up my mind dont suggest other cheaper ar's) at the moment but have an upper ready to go and the lower I want is now on sale till the end of december.
But im 6 months short of being 21 so I need to find out what I need to have done to it to be able to buy it.
Re: Lower question.
For Kalifornia you need a 10 round or less magazine and a bullet button.
http://www.calguns.net/OLL/assembly.html
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=143827
Almost forgot it has to be 30 inches long or more.
For Kalifornia you need a 10 round or less magazine and a bullet button.
http://www.calguns.net/OLL/assembly.html
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=143827
Almost forgot it has to be 30 inches long or more.
Re: Lower question.
It is a magazine release that takes a "tool" to release the magazine so the rifle is technically a "fixed" magazine rifle thus taking away the "evil" assault weapon features.
Not my video as I would never wear gay ass rubber gloves
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Good pics and tutorial
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=46802
It is a magazine release that takes a "tool" to release the magazine so the rifle is technically a "fixed" magazine rifle thus taking away the "evil" assault weapon features.
Not my video as I would never wear gay ass rubber gloves
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Good pics and tutorial
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=46802
Re: Lower question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CK_32</div><div class="ubbcode-body">California sorry I forgot to add that.
I know here in CA you can buy a complete ar 15 as soon as your 18.. But a stripped lower you have to be 21..
If you put a LPK in it is it legal for a someone 21 to buy??
Or does it need to have an upper put on it??
Or do you need complete upper and complete lowers to be put together for it to be noted as "complete"
Im looking to buy a ar but dont have $1000 to shell out for the one I want (I've made up my mind dont suggest other cheaper ar's) at the moment but have an upper ready to go and the lower I want is now on sale till the end of december.
But im 6 months short of being 21 so I need to find out what I need to have done to it to be able to buy it. </div></div>
Are you sure you need to be 21 ? This is strange as every one I have bought was listed as a long gun or other on the 4473.I have purchased a couple with the intent of building an AR Pistol and had the 4473 filled out as a handgun as a CYA.Maybe they can just throw the stock of your choice on it or something like that.Worth asking the dealer about anyway.Ultimately,it is the FFL Dealer that will be held accountable for that transaction/transfer.That is who I would ask.
As far as people suggesting cheaper AR's.You don't get much of an AR for < $1000 even if you build it yourself,good components are not cheap.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CK_32</div><div class="ubbcode-body">California sorry I forgot to add that.
I know here in CA you can buy a complete ar 15 as soon as your 18.. But a stripped lower you have to be 21..
If you put a LPK in it is it legal for a someone 21 to buy??
Or does it need to have an upper put on it??
Or do you need complete upper and complete lowers to be put together for it to be noted as "complete"
Im looking to buy a ar but dont have $1000 to shell out for the one I want (I've made up my mind dont suggest other cheaper ar's) at the moment but have an upper ready to go and the lower I want is now on sale till the end of december.
But im 6 months short of being 21 so I need to find out what I need to have done to it to be able to buy it. </div></div>
Are you sure you need to be 21 ? This is strange as every one I have bought was listed as a long gun or other on the 4473.I have purchased a couple with the intent of building an AR Pistol and had the 4473 filled out as a handgun as a CYA.Maybe they can just throw the stock of your choice on it or something like that.Worth asking the dealer about anyway.Ultimately,it is the FFL Dealer that will be held accountable for that transaction/transfer.That is who I would ask.
As far as people suggesting cheaper AR's.You don't get much of an AR for < $1000 even if you build it yourself,good components are not cheap.
Re: Lower question.
As SANDRAT said, I don't know why you think you have to be 21 to buy a rifle in Kalifornia. It is 21 for a handgun. Big +1 on the $1,000 dollar limit. You won't get much for your money for 1G.
As SANDRAT said, I don't know why you think you have to be 21 to buy a rifle in Kalifornia. It is 21 for a handgun. Big +1 on the $1,000 dollar limit. You won't get much for your money for 1G.
Re: Lower question.
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.php
Copy and pasted from DOJ
3.What is the process for purchasing a firearm in California?
All firearms purchases and transfers, including private party transactions and sales at gun shows, must be made through a licensed dealer under the Dealer Record of Sale (DROS) process. California imposes a 10-day waiting period before a firearm can be released to a buyer or transferee. A person must be at least 18 years of age to purchase a rifle or shotgun. To buy a handgun, a person must be at least 21 years of age, and either 1) possess an HSC plus successfully complete a safety demonstration with the handgun being purchased or 2) qualify for an HSC exemption.
As part of the DROS process, the buyer must present "clear evidence of identity and age" which is defined as a valid, non-expired California Driver's License or Identification Card issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles. A military identification accompanied by permanent duty station orders indicating a posting in California is also acceptable.
If the buyer is not a U.S. Citizen, then he or she is required to demonstrate that he or she is legally within the United States by providing to the firearms dealer with documentation that contains his/her Alien Registration Number or I-94 Number.
Purchasers of handguns are also required to provide proof of California residency, such as a utility bill, residential lease, property deed, or government-issued identification (other than a drivers license or other DMV-issued identification).
(PC Section 12071)
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.php
Copy and pasted from DOJ
3.What is the process for purchasing a firearm in California?
All firearms purchases and transfers, including private party transactions and sales at gun shows, must be made through a licensed dealer under the Dealer Record of Sale (DROS) process. California imposes a 10-day waiting period before a firearm can be released to a buyer or transferee. A person must be at least 18 years of age to purchase a rifle or shotgun. To buy a handgun, a person must be at least 21 years of age, and either 1) possess an HSC plus successfully complete a safety demonstration with the handgun being purchased or 2) qualify for an HSC exemption.
As part of the DROS process, the buyer must present "clear evidence of identity and age" which is defined as a valid, non-expired California Driver's License or Identification Card issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles. A military identification accompanied by permanent duty station orders indicating a posting in California is also acceptable.
If the buyer is not a U.S. Citizen, then he or she is required to demonstrate that he or she is legally within the United States by providing to the firearms dealer with documentation that contains his/her Alien Registration Number or I-94 Number.
Purchasers of handguns are also required to provide proof of California residency, such as a utility bill, residential lease, property deed, or government-issued identification (other than a drivers license or other DMV-issued identification).
(PC Section 12071)
Re: Lower question.
A lower is neither a long gun or a pistol when its just a lower. For purchasing a stripped lower they fall under the same laws as a pistol because it CAN be one.
For it to be a long gun, it needs a stock and can be registered as a long gun when sold. At least thats the way i read it..
A lower is neither a long gun or a pistol when its just a lower. For purchasing a stripped lower they fall under the same laws as a pistol because it CAN be one.
For it to be a long gun, it needs a stock and can be registered as a long gun when sold. At least thats the way i read it..
Re: Lower question.
I just purchased a stripped OLL several months ago and the DROS had rifle on it. I believe that if you want it to be a OLL pistol you would have had to have bought it as a pistol. The only thing is I don't think there are ANY AR style pistols that are legal. I will have to check.
I just purchased a stripped OLL several months ago and the DROS had rifle on it. I believe that if you want it to be a OLL pistol you would have had to have bought it as a pistol. The only thing is I don't think there are ANY AR style pistols that are legal. I will have to check.
Re: Lower question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is the only way us Kalifornia guys can have our AR's </div></div>
It is one of three ways Californians can have an AR. There are other ways.
1) Registered Assault Weapon (RAW). For those who had a "free state" AR before the ban and registered it before the (long-ago) deadline. This rifle is as capable as any semiauto in any free state and can have finger-detachable mags of any capacity. Drawback is that they're not accepting any more registrations so if you don't already have a RAW now you can't get one.
2) Featureless rifle. Remove the prohibited parts described in CA PC 12276.1(a)(1)(A-F): Pistol Grip, Thumbhole, Folding, or Telescoping Stock, Grenade or Flare Launcher, Flash Suppressor, Forward Pistol Grip. These are all trivial to remove or replace except the pistol grip. There are several products on the market to replace the pistol grip. Some work by blocking your thumb so it can't go around the grip. Some work within the legal definition of pistol grip which still allows for a wrap-around grasp. All featureless grip/stock products currently on the market result in a rifle which looks somewhat different from a free state rifle but all permit the use of legally-owned or legally borrowed large capacity mags, and to drop those magazines with a finger press.
<span style="font-size: 8pt"><span style="font-style: italic">Example of a CA-legal featureless rifle. Stock is pinned so it can't adjust. Silencer is fake. 30-round mag is real and it's finger-releasable.</span></span>
-Mark
Exile Machine LLC
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is the only way us Kalifornia guys can have our AR's </div></div>
It is one of three ways Californians can have an AR. There are other ways.
1) Registered Assault Weapon (RAW). For those who had a "free state" AR before the ban and registered it before the (long-ago) deadline. This rifle is as capable as any semiauto in any free state and can have finger-detachable mags of any capacity. Drawback is that they're not accepting any more registrations so if you don't already have a RAW now you can't get one.
2) Featureless rifle. Remove the prohibited parts described in CA PC 12276.1(a)(1)(A-F): Pistol Grip, Thumbhole, Folding, or Telescoping Stock, Grenade or Flare Launcher, Flash Suppressor, Forward Pistol Grip. These are all trivial to remove or replace except the pistol grip. There are several products on the market to replace the pistol grip. Some work by blocking your thumb so it can't go around the grip. Some work within the legal definition of pistol grip which still allows for a wrap-around grasp. All featureless grip/stock products currently on the market result in a rifle which looks somewhat different from a free state rifle but all permit the use of legally-owned or legally borrowed large capacity mags, and to drop those magazines with a finger press.
<span style="font-size: 8pt"><span style="font-style: italic">Example of a CA-legal featureless rifle. Stock is pinned so it can't adjust. Silencer is fake. 30-round mag is real and it's finger-releasable.</span></span>
-Mark
Exile Machine LLC
Re: Lower question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: heatseekins</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A lower is neither a long gun or a pistol when its just a lower. For purchasing a stripped lower they fall under the same laws as a pistol because it CAN be one.
For it to be a long gun, it needs a stock and can be registered as a long gun when sold. At least thats the way i read it.. </div></div>
THIS IS NOT CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!
A stripped lower can only be made into a pistol if it was originally manufactured as a pistol and marked as such. Using a rifle lower to build a pistol would be a violation of federal regulations. It does not matter what the reciever is listed as when sold, it matters what it was manufactured as.
However, a pistol lower can be built up or "remade" as a rifle.
Here is the text:
Pistol. A weapon originally designed,
made, and intended to fire a projectile
(bullet) from one or more barrels when
held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(
s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently
aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a
short stock designed to be gripped by one
hand and at an angle to and extending
below the line of the bore(s).
Rifle. A weapon designed or redesigned,
made or remade, and intended to
be fired from the shoulder, and designed
or redesigned and made or remade to use
the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic
cartridge to fire only a single projectile
through a rifled bore for each single
pull of the trigger.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: heatseekins</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A lower is neither a long gun or a pistol when its just a lower. For purchasing a stripped lower they fall under the same laws as a pistol because it CAN be one.
For it to be a long gun, it needs a stock and can be registered as a long gun when sold. At least thats the way i read it.. </div></div>
THIS IS NOT CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!
A stripped lower can only be made into a pistol if it was originally manufactured as a pistol and marked as such. Using a rifle lower to build a pistol would be a violation of federal regulations. It does not matter what the reciever is listed as when sold, it matters what it was manufactured as.
However, a pistol lower can be built up or "remade" as a rifle.
Here is the text:
Pistol. A weapon originally designed,
made, and intended to fire a projectile
(bullet) from one or more barrels when
held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(
s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently
aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a
short stock designed to be gripped by one
hand and at an angle to and extending
below the line of the bore(s).
Rifle. A weapon designed or redesigned,
made or remade, and intended to
be fired from the shoulder, and designed
or redesigned and made or remade to use
the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic
cartridge to fire only a single projectile
through a rifled bore for each single
pull of the trigger.
Re: Lower question.
Actually, with the BATFE's more recent decisions with respect to the classification of AR-15 stripped lowers, Glen is 100% correct. The BATFE's interpretation of the rifle vs. pistol status of a AR-15 lower in the past has been that the purchaser declared on the 4473 form whether the lower was going to be used for a pistol or a rifle build. Thus back then, you could purchase a stripped lower at 18yo and declare that it was for a rifle build and purchase it legally. Now however, after the most recent BATFE interpretations and 4473 changes, a stripped AR-15 lower is now categorized as "Other." This is why you know have to be 21yo to purchase a stripped AR-15 lower under federal law because it CAN be made into a pistol.
If an individual obtains a "virgin" AR-15 receiver that has not previously been utilized in the assembly of a rifle, a handgun can be made from the receiver without any problems whatsoever.
Actually, with the BATFE's more recent decisions with respect to the classification of AR-15 stripped lowers, Glen is 100% correct. The BATFE's interpretation of the rifle vs. pistol status of a AR-15 lower in the past has been that the purchaser declared on the 4473 form whether the lower was going to be used for a pistol or a rifle build. Thus back then, you could purchase a stripped lower at 18yo and declare that it was for a rifle build and purchase it legally. Now however, after the most recent BATFE interpretations and 4473 changes, a stripped AR-15 lower is now categorized as "Other." This is why you know have to be 21yo to purchase a stripped AR-15 lower under federal law because it CAN be made into a pistol.
If an individual obtains a "virgin" AR-15 receiver that has not previously been utilized in the assembly of a rifle, a handgun can be made from the receiver without any problems whatsoever.
Re: Lower question.
WOW--LOTS TO LEARN--and I thought Illinois was bad---Exile Machine--what is the contraption behind that trigger guard??
WOW--LOTS TO LEARN--and I thought Illinois was bad---Exile Machine--what is the contraption behind that trigger guard??
Re: Lower question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Are you sure you need to be 21 ? This is strange as every one I have bought was listed as a long gun or other on the 4473.I have purchased a couple with the intent of building an AR Pistol and had the 4473 filled out as a handgun as a CYA.Maybe they can just throw the stock of your choice on it or something like that.Worth asking the dealer about anyway.Ultimately,it is the FFL Dealer that will be held accountable for that transaction/transfer.That is who I would ask.
As far as people suggesting cheaper AR's.You don't get much of an AR for < $1000 even if you build it yourself,good components are not cheap. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As SANDRAT said, I don't know why you think you have to be 21 to buy a rifle in Kalifornia. It is 21 for a handgun. Big +1 on the $1,000 dollar limit. You won't get much for your money for 1G. </div></div>
You guys didnt read my full post.. you can be 18 to buy a complete rifle or bolt action.. To buy a stripped lower reciever in CA you must be 21 due to being able to turn a ar15 lower into a "pistol" rifle. Which as in owning a pistol and turning this into a pistol you must be 21. At least here in the state of CA. But if it were a complete rifle with everything you could legally buy one at the age of 18..
You can still pop the lower off and make it a pistol rifle which is why none of us get that.. But thats the law..
I just shot them an e mail and the shop said even if I got the parts they wouldnt assemble it for me. Some kind of cose or special license you need to do that legally.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Are you sure you need to be 21 ? This is strange as every one I have bought was listed as a long gun or other on the 4473.I have purchased a couple with the intent of building an AR Pistol and had the 4473 filled out as a handgun as a CYA.Maybe they can just throw the stock of your choice on it or something like that.Worth asking the dealer about anyway.Ultimately,it is the FFL Dealer that will be held accountable for that transaction/transfer.That is who I would ask.
As far as people suggesting cheaper AR's.You don't get much of an AR for < $1000 even if you build it yourself,good components are not cheap. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As SANDRAT said, I don't know why you think you have to be 21 to buy a rifle in Kalifornia. It is 21 for a handgun. Big +1 on the $1,000 dollar limit. You won't get much for your money for 1G. </div></div>
You guys didnt read my full post.. you can be 18 to buy a complete rifle or bolt action.. To buy a stripped lower reciever in CA you must be 21 due to being able to turn a ar15 lower into a "pistol" rifle. Which as in owning a pistol and turning this into a pistol you must be 21. At least here in the state of CA. But if it were a complete rifle with everything you could legally buy one at the age of 18..
You can still pop the lower off and make it a pistol rifle which is why none of us get that.. But thats the law..
I just shot them an e mail and the shop said even if I got the parts they wouldnt assemble it for me. Some kind of cose or special license you need to do that legally.
Re: Lower question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CK_32</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But if it were a complete rifle with everything you could legally buy one at the age of 18..
You can still pop the lower off and make it a pistol rifle which is why none of us get that.. But thats the law.</div></div>
Actually, THAT would be a violation of federal law. While you can buy a rifle at 18yo, it is illegal to take a registered rifle (lower or otherwise) and convert it to a pistol without reregistering it (which you can't do at 18yo).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CK_32</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But if it were a complete rifle with everything you could legally buy one at the age of 18..
You can still pop the lower off and make it a pistol rifle which is why none of us get that.. But thats the law.</div></div>
Actually, THAT would be a violation of federal law. While you can buy a rifle at 18yo, it is illegal to take a registered rifle (lower or otherwise) and convert it to a pistol without reregistering it (which you can't do at 18yo).
Re: Lower question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CK_32</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CK_32</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
SANDRAT said:
Re: Lower question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uscbigdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CK_32</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uscbigdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CK_32</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
SANDRAT said:
Re: Lower question.
OK here is the deal.
21 for a stripped lower.
http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473.pdf
ATF F-4473 states on question 18 in section "B" that the receiver is classified as "Other Firearm" and thus according to the explanation at the bottom of the form you must be 21 to purchase an OLL. Does not matter if it is a complete lower with stock and everything. The only way is if it is a completed rifle only.
OK here is the deal.
21 for a stripped lower.
http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473.pdf
ATF F-4473 states on question 18 in section "B" that the receiver is classified as "Other Firearm" and thus according to the explanation at the bottom of the form you must be 21 to purchase an OLL. Does not matter if it is a complete lower with stock and everything. The only way is if it is a completed rifle only.
Re: Lower question.
I apologize. Forgot about the "other" garbage. Every lower my friends and I have bought has been classified as a rifle. Of course...all of ours were bought back in the 90's and are registered AW's (I have 6).
Things are so much easier not living in CA.
Rich
I apologize. Forgot about the "other" garbage. Every lower my friends and I have bought has been classified as a rifle. Of course...all of ours were bought back in the 90's and are registered AW's (I have 6).
Things are so much easier not living in CA.
Rich
Re: Lower question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uscbigdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I apologize. Forgot about the "other" garbage. Every lower my friends and I have bought has been classified as a rifle. Of course...all of ours were bought back in the 90's and are registered AW's (I have 6).
Things are so much easier not living in CA.
Rich
</div></div>
I hear you man. Had to jump through hoops registering my HK91. Fingerprinting and all. Have laminated paperwork that stays in the case whenever I take it shooting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uscbigdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I apologize. Forgot about the "other" garbage. Every lower my friends and I have bought has been classified as a rifle. Of course...all of ours were bought back in the 90's and are registered AW's (I have 6).
Things are so much easier not living in CA.
Rich
</div></div>
I hear you man. Had to jump through hoops registering my HK91. Fingerprinting and all. Have laminated paperwork that stays in the case whenever I take it shooting.
Re: Lower question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BERTMAN77MK2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what is the contraption behind that trigger guard??</div></div>
It's a Hammerhead grip. Basically it gives a wooden-rifle hold on the rifle instead of a pistol-grip hold. Exceeds CA law for not being a pistol grip.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BERTMAN77MK2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what is the contraption behind that trigger guard??</div></div>
It's a Hammerhead grip. Basically it gives a wooden-rifle hold on the rifle instead of a pistol-grip hold. Exceeds CA law for not being a pistol grip.
Re: Lower question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is the only way us Kalifornia guys can have our AR's </div></div>
Unless you're old enough to have bought the "evil" AR, HK, FAL, ect. stuff before the stupid fu<kin' bans kicked in ("Pre-ban"). When it comes to firearms, age occasionally has "perks".
Keith
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is the only way us Kalifornia guys can have our AR's </div></div>
Unless you're old enough to have bought the "evil" AR, HK, FAL, ect. stuff before the stupid fu<kin' bans kicked in ("Pre-ban"). When it comes to firearms, age occasionally has "perks".
Keith
