Rifle Scopes Lowest profile Unimount wanted

[jackal1]

Im looking for a 30mm ultralight unimount aluminum scope rail. I have two new ones that I purchased but not liking the height. I have the Aero precision ultralight witch is very nice and also JP'S scope mount that is also nice but on the heavy side and also high. My Zeiss HT 2.5 x 10 x 50 sits high on both. Whats out there thats high quality...light...and low profile.Both of my mounts are 1.5 from center of scope to top of pic rail.

Rifle is a JP SCR-11 6.5 Grendel.

 

[RyeDaddy]

Nightforce Is the lowest I know of. You can get it as short as 1.125", also the lightest I've encountered and perfectly solid.

1.125" will not allow your 50mm obj to clear a solid rail like an AR if that's what you're wanting to do.

 

[jackal1]

Nightforce Is the lowest I know of. You can get it as short as 1.125", also the lightest I've encountered and perfectly solid.

1.125" will not allow your 50mm obj to clear a solid rail like an AR if that's what you're wanting to do.

Thanks Rye...the 1.50 i have now is just to high for my liking.

 

[Redmanss]

Sounds like the NF would be the way to go for you. Awesome mounts, just a bit pricy so I go Badger most of the time which are another solid mount as well, but not as low at 1.3" in 30mm.

It's hard to say without knowing the measurements, but you may be pushing it with the BC covers at 1.125".

 

[jackal1]

Sounds like the NF would be the way to go for you. Awesome mounts, just a bit pricy so I go Badger most of the time which are another solid mount as well, but not as low at 1.3" in 30mm.

It's hard to say without knowing the measurements, but you may be pushing it with the BC covers at 1.125".

Yes I think your right with the covers on. I know the NF are not cheap but putting anything of low quality on this rifle would be foolish. The Badgers are also sweet mounts thanks Redmanss.

 

[phlegm]

I find the 1.125" like the one on this Noveske uncomfortably low on ARs. 1.375" is better.

 

[Redmanss]

For precision, the 1.125 is perfect for me when not using a PRS, but I have fairly high and thin cheek bones. I had to swap spotters once because my partner couldn't see through the scope on my M40A1 as I had it set up.

I mostly prefer the 1.30" of the Badger; it's the perfect mix for precision and flexibility of hasty positions. The best bet is to get behind one, but I know that isn't always possible.

 

[CTown137]

Not sure what rifle setup you are using it on, but Badger does make a unimount in their 0.883" height in 30mm.

 

[jackal1]

Not sure what rifle setup you are using it on, but Badger does make a unimount in their 0.883" height in 30mm.

its for a JP SCR-11 6.5 Grendel AR

 

[jackal1]

I find the 1.125" like the one on this Noveske uncomfortably low on ARs. 1.375" is better.

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Hmmm that looks good though...wonder how the eye box looks when its shouldered. 1.375 might be the way to go.

 

[jackal1]

For precision, the 1.125 is perfect for me when not using a PRS, but I have fairly high and thin cheek bones. I had to swap spotters once because my partner couldn't see through the scope on my M40A1 as I had it set up.

I mostly prefer the 1.30" of the Badger; it's the perfect mix for precision and flexibility of hasty positions. The best bet is to get behind one, but I know that isn't always possible.

Redmanss...do you think the 1.5 i have is to high for precision work on my Grendel? I will not be using a stock with a cheek piece to to weight in the field. I will be using a MFT Battlelink Minimalist stock. Im waiting on my Vltor tube to arrive so I can see how the eyebox looks when shouldered so I cannot tell right now.

My Zeiss HT 2.5 x 10 has a very generous Eyebox

 

[phlegm]

Hmmm that looks good though...wonder how the eye box looks when its shouldered. 1.375 might be the way to go.

From this angle, it does seem okay, but shooting it was very difficult. I couldn't get a full picture unless I held the gun sideways. The blow back from the suppressor didn't leave good memories, either.

Think about this: Absolute co-witness for AR optics places them at 1.44" or 1.46". How much lower than that is comfortable for you?

 

[jackal1]

From this angle, it does seem okay, but shooting it was very difficult. I couldn't get a full picture unless I held the gun sideways. The blow back from the suppressor didn't leave good memories, either.

Think about this: Absolute co-witness for AR optics places them at 1.44" or 1.46". How much lower than that is comfortable for you?

I see what you mean...Zeiss has a very generous and superb eybox... Really have to try it out.

 

[bp7178]

I had a set of Badger rings and a set of NF rings that was about 1.265 which I found ideal.

Interestingly, the Badger rings are marketed as AR rings.

 

[jackal1]

I had a set of Badger rings and a set of NF rings that was about 1.265 which I found ideal.

Interestingly, the Badger rings are marketed as AR rings.

bp how was the sight picture in prone with that height? also I'm interested in a uni mount.

 

[bp7178]

No issues at all. I felt it could be a tick lower in a bench position, which makes me think thats the ideal compromise.

IMO, the 1.5" mounts are for lining up with clip-on night optics and getting over the older troy style BUIS. If you aren't using clip-ons, and have a more modern BUIS solution, get your scope lower.

I was always buying offset mounts for my AR15 platform optics. I stopped that. You can do the same thing with rings. I always see guys at the range with their scope cantilevered out in front and their stock collapsed which presents an awkward should position with a short length of pull. The distance you gain with a cantilevered mount is maybe one stock click on a standard Colt RE.

 

[jackal1]

No issues at all. I felt it could be a tick lower in a bench position, which makes me think thats the ideal compromise.

IMO, the 1.5" mounts are for lining up with clip-on night optics and getting over the older troy style BUIS. If you aren't using clip-ons, and have a more modern BUIS solution, get your scope lower.

I was always buying offset mounts for my AR15 platform optics. I stopped that. You can do the same thing with rings. I always see guys at the range with their scope cantilevered out in front and their stock collapsed which presents an awkward should position with a short length of pull. The distance you gain with a cantilevered mount is maybe one stock click on a standard Colt RE.

That makes sense...this is all new to me using an AR platform vs my precision bolt guns. I went with the Aero precision mount from reviews and its 2.9 oz weight. Its very well made quality and great reviews but can't adjust to the new height to my low pro mounts on my bolt guns. I might look into a pair of high quality aluminum or titanium rings. any suggestions on the lowest that would clear my 50 obj? and still have a good eye box using a stock without a cheek piece?

 

[bp7178]

I want to sleep on my stock. Any muscle into that position and you can't repeat it. I'd almost go with one of the 1.18 rings offered by TPS, but I haven't done the math to figure if they would clear scope caps.

Keep in mind, if you use scope caps, you'll need more room.

Eyebox is a feature of your scope. If you have a scope with a limited eyebox, small exit pupil etc, you have to be very centered behind it to get a proper target image. So IMO, its less critical sweating over getting into sloppy positions and needing a 1.5" mount to justify it. Same if you're on fixed parallax. If outside of your parallax spec, you have to be perfectly centered behind the scope. The higher and sloppier it gets, the worse it is.

An option is the LMT style DMR stock, which is similar to the PRS but fits a carbine RE.

 

[Wildwillalaska]

Really like the NF, as an aside, one of the Hide sponsors, Eurooptic, has demo uni's available on their site for $200, save you $52. I just ordered one of the higher ones to use with a 56mm NF.

 

[jackal1]

I want to sleep on my stock. Any muscle into that position and you can't repeat it. I'd almost go with one of the 1.18 rings offered by TPS, but I haven't done the math to figure if they would clear scope caps.

Keep in mind, if you use scope caps, you'll need more room.

Eyebox is a feature of your scope. If you have a scope with a limited eyebox, small exit pupil etc, you have to be very centered behind it to get a proper target image. So IMO, its less critical sweating over getting into sloppy positions and needing a 1.5" mount to justify it. Same if you're on fixed parallax. If outside of your parallax spec, you have to be perfectly centered behind the scope. The higher and sloppier it gets, the worse it is.

An option is the LMT style DMR stock, which is similar to the PRS but fits a carbine RE.

I probably mis worded it I meant on my Scope I have a generous eybox so perfect eye placement will not be a factor. I too like to settle in behind my stocks and truly believe the lower the more precise shot placement on groups. Total different cycle and impulse to my bolt guns and understandable because of design and function. Im not to concerned about the caps but will be aware. I will be looking at those options you mentioned.

 

[Redmanss]

Here's the deal... You can't ask someone else if a particular mount will be perfect because everyone's facial bone structure are different. 1.30" works for me... It may be too high or low for you, but it is a good place in my opinion to start. For precision, true precision, get a PRS stock or SAPR attachment to your stock. Anything else is "good enough" for your purposes, but shouldn't be considered a precision piece because you're still tailoring your position to the rifle instead of your rifle to your position.

The M16's ~1.46" is one size fits all, because they have to literally fit anyone who joins in the ultimate variety of shooting situations and positions, including in NBCD gear. That's why there is a difference between stock weld and spot weld. I believe 1.5" is way too high for any magnified scope when the stock is not being compensated to match.

 

[Magnumdood]

I have an Alpha Mount (unimount) made by Near Mfg. It is flat - almost no height from the base of the scope to the center point of the ring. You could use this with a riser of the height of your choice to get a custom fit. I don't remember if it's 30mm or 34mm. If you need 30mm and the mount is 34mm, Near makes inserts for his mounts.

 

[jackal1]

I have an Alpha Mount (unimount) made by Near Mfg. It is flat - almost no height from the base of the scope to the center point of the ring. You could use this with a riser of the height of your choice to get a custom fit. I don't remember if it's 30mm or 34mm. If you need 30mm and the mount is 34mm, Near makes inserts for his mounts.

I'll take a look at that thanks

 

[jackal1]

Really like the NF, as an aside, one of the Hide sponsors, Eurooptic, has demo uni's available on their site for $200, save you $52. I just ordered one of the higher ones to use with a 56mm NF.

I really like NF I have a NXS scope and will look into that hopefully it's light weight thanks.