LPVO and RDS combo

[aslrookie]

I am looking at getting a Mk6 1-6x for my KAC 11.5" build. My reason for wanting the offset RDS like an RMR is for use under NV as a back up or shooting from positions that makes eye relief not as user friendly.

For those of you with experience with LPVO and RDS combo, do you prefer the RDS on top of the optic at 12 o'clock or offset? Pros and cons?

 

[AMGtuned]

Tried it in the 1 o'clock position. Too much shit going on. Went with a 1-6 LPVO on an ar15, and a 4-16 scope on an ar10. To me, it was like tinting one lens in my sunglasses darker, cant look through it all at once, just use what works. NV would probably still work with a 1x on the bottom end

 

[aslrookie]

Tried it in the 1 o'clock position. Too much shit going on. Went with a 1-6 LPVO on an ar15, and a 4-16 scope on an ar10. To me, it was like tinting one lens in my sunglasses darker, cant look through it all at once, just use what works. NV would probably still work with a 1x on the bottom end

My only concern with NV and the LPVO is trying to align 2 tubes. I figured the RMR would be much easier to find under nods. If only I could just buy everything at once to try it out lol.

 

[USMC_JA]

I'm digging the RMR at 45 degrees on this set up. But no NODs.

 

[Rudy Gonsior]

I've spent a fair minute using LPVO/RDS under NODs and I'm huge fan of going 45* (1 or 2 o'clockish) off the tube, like anything it takes practice but its much easier and less time consuming to do than trying to go through the LPVO at 1x. The 12 o'clock can work but it depends on turret size and usually dictates the RDS being put out in front of the turrets which starts to narrow the field of view, not horribly but enough to have a preference that its better placed a little bit closer to you.

 

[aslrookie]

I've spent a fair minute using LPVO/RDS under NODs and I'm huge fan of going 45* (1 or 2 o'clockish) off the tube, like anything it takes practice but its much easier and less time consuming to do than trying to go through the LPVO at 1x. The 12 o'clock can work but it depends on turret size and usually dictates the RDS being put out in front of the turrets which starts to narrow the field of view, not horribly but enough to have a preference that its better placed a little bit closer to you.
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I am assuming that is a picture of your setup? I am looking at the exact same setup with the Mk6 and RMR combo. What mount are you using?

 

[TheGerman]

I used the Insight MRDS on a Wilcox mount ontop of the 2.5-10 on a Mk12 alot which got me into liking the RMR on the TA33 ACOG (not the 4x, that one has the worst eye relief on the planet).

I don't like the 45 degree/angled offsets. If you drill alot on things like up drills (fast presentation on target) as well as multiple shots on multiple targets where you need to move your torso and/or stance the 45 degree hold you need to make changes your grip, recoil management, shoulder/head position rather than simply training on bringing the rifle up the exact same way on your torso/shoulder from a low ready and simply adjusting your eye position for the sight you want to appear before it.

I do with this the ACOG often and drill both to where if I want the RDS on close up targets I bring the gun up 100% the exact same way as I would if looking through the 3x ACOG, only difference is my face tilts slightly forward for the ACOG and is at its natural rest position for the RDS.

Other thing to consider is why put a optic and RDS on a 11.5 gun? My 11.5 KAC has a KAC M110 riser on it and an EoTech to allow for passive aiming with an ANVIS9.

 

[aslrookie]

I used the Insight MRDS on a Wilcox mount ontop of the 2.5-10 on a Mk12 alot which got me into liking the RMR on the TA33 ACOG (not the 4x, that one has the worst eye relief on the planet).

I don't like the 45 degree/angled offsets. If you drill alot on things like up drills (fast presentation on target) as well as multiple shots on multiple targets where you need to move your torso and/or stance the 45 degree hold you need to make changes your grip, recoil management, shoulder/head position rather than simply training on bringing the rifle up the exact same way on your torso/shoulder from a low ready and simply adjusting your eye position for the sight you want to appear before it.

I do with this the ACOG often and drill both to where if I want the RDS on close up targets I bring the gun up 100% the exact same way as I would if looking through the 3x ACOG, only difference is my face tilts slightly forward for the ACOG and is at its natural rest position for the RDS.

Other thing to consider is why put a optic and RDS on a 11.5 gun? My 11.5 KAC has a KAC M110 riser on it and an EoTech to allow for passive aiming with an ANVIS9.

The reason for wanting a magnified optic on a 11.5” is to fully utilize it’s capability. A red dot puts your engagements at sub 200 when a 11.5” gun will still be accurate past that distance.

 

[TheGerman]

The reason for wanting a magnified optic on a 11.5” is to fully utilize it’s capability. A red dot puts your engagements at sub 200 when a 11.5” gun will still be accurate past that distance.

Your round choice is going to matter more. Look at the terminal ballistic thresholds on M855 and M193 and compare those to whats going on at 200 yards out of an 11.5 barrel.

If you have that covered, and without going into too much detail, 200, 250+ yards with a RDS is easily doable unless you're wanting little groups. If you are, you're basically bringing the wrong setup with you. Otherwise, fast fire in relation to where the zero'd red dot is, compared to what distance I think who I am shooting at is, in a situation where I'd have an 11.5 or carbine, isn't limited to me having a 1-6 scope on the gun, or not.

But, for the RDS from a training perspective, I'd still piggy back at 12 regardless of what you do.

 

[aslrookie]

Not small groups but A/C zone. PID is also nice to have as well. Granted I’m not .mil anymore, but if you’re going to build a KAC it might as well be ready for the worst case scenario. I’m no collector or clone builder.

Even in 2 gun matches seeing those tiny plates at 100 yards can be tricky at times without any magnification. I understand the optic itself doesn’t increase the lethality of the round, it just helps you see better.

My other SBR has a UH-1 on it. Love the sight...especially for inside 100 yards.

 

[TSpork]

Pretty much have the same gun. Mk6, but a 14.5” SR-15 carbine, not an 11.5”. No offset RMR because I don’t have NODs. I know, I know. No place here to shoot with them, and there’s also the fact that they cost the same as a small beater car.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

I don't like the 45 degree/angled offsets. If you drill alot on things like up drills (fast presentation on target) as well as multiple shots on multiple targets where you need to move your torso and/or stance the 45 degree hold you need to make changes your grip, recoil management, shoulder/head position rather than simply training on bringing the rifle up the exact same way on your torso/shoulder from a low ready and simply adjusting your eye position for the sight you want to appear before it.

Meh, you spend enough time shooting with guys that train 45 degree dots hard and you'll realize how seamlessly it can be used.
This cat seems to shoot more at 45 then upright and he wins just fine.