LPVO + Dot question

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

Excellent thread full of interesting info. Were there ever any attempts for smaller military units to use the Grendel? If the answer is no and because it is not a common round, then why is there at least one contract along with clear interest in the 6 ARC? Is it one of those right time, right place type situations?

 

[Burdy]

I take it the Fort Scott Munitions ammo is pretty accurate then? I just ordered a bunch on their big Cyber Monday sale, so I hope it is...

I have a bunch here at the house. It can be. Its solid copper monolithic, so it really likes a faster twist per grain weight than normal for stability. We have had some that shoots lights out, like the 150g .308 in 10 twist barrels. You just need to make sure you check the stability factor of a monolithic against your desired twist. When it's unstable...you will know it.

The other part of the equation is what it does on game. We have shot numerous deer with it over the past two years and the damage almost defies belief. You really can get away with a smaller cartridge than usual running their stuff. The thicker the game animal, the better, as the bullet has enough depth for rotation.

From a defense standpoint, its nice because there are no mechanics to fail. It will act as a FMJ through barriers, and tumble every time hydraulically.

 

[Burdy]

Excellent thread full of interesting info. Were there ever any attempts for smaller military units to use the Grendel? If the answer is no and because it is not a common round, then why is there at least one contract along with clear interest in the 6 ARC? Is it one of those right time, right place type situations?

I think the answer might be that Hornady is a better marketer than Bill Alexander?

 

[FRESHPRINCE556]

I am completely for 12 oclock piggy back mounted red dots . I have tried 45 degree offset red dot configurations and it just didnt offer enough pros to overcome the negatives for me.

You guys are going to influence me into buying a 6.5 grendel to try out . I currently have a few ar10's in 308 and 6.5 creedmoor. It sounds to me like the 6.5 gerendel might offer enough positive trade offs vs 308 to possibly look at making a switch.

 

[clcustom1911]

I have almost universally run Eotech holographic sites, sometimes with magnifiers. I am pretty good to go with this unit to 300 yards but the limitations of the system become pretty apparent as you extend in range. I have been looking at and messing with various LPVO optics. The ones that I have hands on experience with are the Vortex Razor 1x6, the Primary Arms PLC 1x8, The Nightforce NXS 1x8, and the Eotech VUDU 1x10.

The purpose of the LPVO is for better ID of the target and to extend my competency range. I shoot pigs and predators and the day optic will be paired with a clip on thermal device (MH25). So here comes the question, would I be better off with something like a 2x10 for better eye box and just attaching a red dot to the top of the scope or canted?

I so far have not really been happy with any of the above scopes in terms of a do it all solution. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Vortex PST II 2-10, ARMS 22M rings with ARMS TRC/diving board, and Docter dot. Chin weld for the dot, cheek weld for the scope.

It was a great setup but I switched the scope to a more "clone correct" Leupold Mk4 3.5-10, because clone.

 

[Glassaholic]

I think the answer might be that Hornady is a better marketer than Bill Alexander?

It was baffling when the Army decided to go with 6.8 SPC when the 6.5 Grendel had already been established and there are many more 6.5mm bullet offerings than 6.8 SPC. Not quite sure why the 6.5 Grendel has been ignored by Mil/LE, maybe too many have considered it a wildcat. But I think you're right Burdy, Hornady is a marketing juggernaut who likely has a place at the table within the mil/le community to begin with.

I have a bunch here at the house. It can be. Its solid copper monolithic, so it really likes a faster twist per grain weight than normal for stability. We have had some that shoots lights out, like the 150g .308 in 10 twist barrels. You just need to make sure you check the stability factor of a monolithic against your desired twist. When it's unstable...you will know it.

The other part of the equation is what it does on game. We have shot numerous deer with it over the past two years and the damage almost defies belief. You really can get away with a smaller cartridge than usual running their stuff. The thicker the game animal, the better, as the bullet has enough depth for rotation.

From a defense standpoint, its nice because there are no mechanics to fail. It will act as a FMJ through barriers, and tumble every time hydraulically.

i just bought a case of 70gr 5.56 and 168gr 308 to try out in my LMT barrels, I guess we’ll see if my twist isn’t enough. Grabbed some 6.5 Creed to try as well

 

[ut755ln]

It was baffling when the Army decided to go with 6.8 SPC when the 6.5 Grendel had already been established and there are many more 6.5mm bullet offerings than 6.8 SPC. Not quite sure why the 6.5 Grendel has been ignored by Mil/LE, maybe too many have considered it a wildcat. But I think you're right Burdy, Hornady is a marketing juggernaut who likely has a place at the table within the mil/le community to begin with.

i just bought a case of 70gr 5.56 and 168gr 308 to try out in my LMT barrels, I guess we’ll see if my twist isn’t enough. Grabbed some 6.5 Creed to try as well

To answer your question kind of, we see tenders from the USM. For years, they have been letting civilian shooters figure out the right answer (in some ways). Competitive shooters, people on this forum kind of answered their questions for them in terms of what performs best. The 6.5 CM is the new .308. The 6 ARC is a way to enhance the range and effectiveness of the small frame gas gun platform without reinventing the wheel.