Re: M1 Garand purchase
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rpk762</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mudcat-NC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shoot, I want to see this too! Heck, I will wager that NEITHER of them will pull off a clean at 600 with it! Hilarious.
John
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What part of new barrel do you not under stand? </div></div>
Say what? I dont think the new bbl part has anything to do with it. So I am not sure why you are tossing that out there. You stated a clean every time, that means shooting a clean. BBl has nothing to do with it. You stated another HM friend of yours would do it, that means he can shoot a clean with it every time. My post meant "no way, neither you nor your bud shooting that garand (and I will add that ANY Garand could be used) are going to clean the 600 every time". I think my statement was pretty clear. Yours, apparently not so, as now you are saying that the rifle, theoretically, can shoot a clean as its a "theoretically" better than 2MOA rifle and thus, using some sort of skewed deductive logic, that means it can shoot a clean at 600 every time.
I beg to differ with all of that. First, even if you have a Garand that out of a machine rest of some sort can shoot 22 shots (20 if you are in a match with no sighters, like an EIC) into the 10 ring or better on the MR target, EVERY time, within 20/22 mins. Now, for arguments sake, I think there are some Garands out there that can do that, but most have trouble holding 2MOA at 100 or 200, let alone back to 600. ANd this is assuming we are using match grade ammo, not M2 ball, or some 173gr junk.
Then you got the environment once you start shooting...that adds to the difficulty. Then if you sling up, well, that just tossed the odds of a clean right out the window.
I find it interesting how a lot of folks talk about shooting cleans at 600 but you rarely see it done except but a few select folks. Start talking cleans with a SR rather than a MR and watch that number dwindle. I have shot a fair number of cleans at 600 (a quick Net search will find you a few) but all have been with an MR or a Palma stick....out of all my trips to the 600 with a SR I never cleaned it, not once. Closest was 198. It aint easy, especially not with an SR.
Thus, thats why John L and I jumped on that comment. If you are a HP competitor, than you should actually know just how tough of a feat a clean is...though, if your one of the 90+% that will never shoot a clean at 600, MR or SR, then ya know how hard it is NOT to shoot a clean at 600.
Now, that being said, I am sure the Garand is a hammer, as I have a few that are, but I will never know if they will shoot a clean at 600 every time out cause I know I would only be fooling myself if I thought I could shoot a clean at 6 with one! Actually, the idea is downright hilarious for me to even think about.
So, unwad the panties, as I bet John L though the same that I did, that you were just "puffing" and that you actually werent going out and shooting cleans with it at 600 every time out. But, if you are, we are looking for some more hammers for a few teams that need them!
Now back to the previous discussion of Garands.
John
