M1A Custom Chassis

[nightwolf0215]

I am hit by an M1A bug after seeing some Juggernaut Tactical Rogue system for the M1A. Then I am hit by the SCAR bug as well.... Why did I have to get into the .308 caliber... Oh right. Its fun!

Does anyone have any experience with these custom chassis? Also the M1A system as a long range shooter? I want a bull pup. but it seems like DTA is out of my reach and M1A is more in range.

Here is some porn:

 

[30calDeath]

I think I just threw up in my mouth

 

[SemperFly]

Agreed, that is an abomination to the M1A in my opinion. If you want a decent chassis look at the Sage EBR. Still in the tacti-cool category but proven for accuracy.

 

[nightwolf0215]

Sage EBR has a long waiting list. Whats so bad about this one?

 

[lennyo3034]

I hate it because I love M14s/M1as and see this as an abomination. That being said, I have shot one and can say it felt great. Was extremely handy and well balanced. If someone handed it to me and told it was a completely new rifle, I would have loved it.

 

[SNIPERS4DUMMIES]

buy a "used" DTA SRS on here, you get something that's practical, help out a fellow hider financially and save us all from this visual abnormality, thanks.

 

[StoopidSlow]

Where's our bro from juggernaut? I remember that dummy managed to turn every thread possible into a thread about m1a's and that chassis.

 

[BigBlue&Goldie]

What a piece of shit. How would you service that thing? Clear a malfunction? I bet the trigger would be horrible and the sights wouldn't hold zero for shit.

 

[hippyshake]

I am unfortunate in that i know dino from jubbernaut tactical very well. According to him these are in service with marine force recon and nsw, althiugh the only proof i have seen is guys that look like they play airsoft posing with the chassis.
the design is obviously a rip off of the short rifle systems bulldog (which isnt any less faggy)
The sage ebr and that ugly ass troy chassis will atleast marginally improve your accuracy (the sage is kind of hit or miss sometimes) the owners of jt claim that it will give you sub moa accuracy, but their disclaimer in the instructions. Says that it may not effect accuracy.

Bottom line gents, ive had two of these and its almost as big of a piece of shit as the sniper stocks from blackhawk.

 

[Mumbles]

I'm amused by all the recommendations for the Sage EBR. That thing blows. I spent a little time on the range with a JT bullpup stock. The trigger was fine. Reloads were awkward as hell. The left side charging handle was very functional. I have no clue on the accuracy one way or the other. From what I remember of the claims being made, they only ever said it wouldn't hurt the accuracy of your rifle, not that it would make it better. I remember being impressed by such an apparently honest claim. They may have changed their position though, I have no idea.

I've spent a couple years with Sage EBRs and think they're complete garbage. I only spent a brief period of time with the Bullpup stock, but I'd consider it an improvement. If nothing else, at least you can field strip it for cleaning without removing the primary optic and 15 allen screws.

That being said, if I ever deploy with an M-14 again, the Vltor M1S stock would be my first choice. Gives you a top rail for a PEQ or PVS-22, an adjustable length of pull for body armor, and doesn't turn your rifle into an 18 lbs chunk of front heavy aluminum.

Of course, the best upgrade for an M-14 is an SR-25.

 

[EricCartmann]

... Of course, the best upgrade for an M-14 is an SR-25.

Truth!

If you must keep your M14, I think the best way to accurize it is in a Sage Aluminum Block Chassis though. The Action is bolted to the chassis by the oprod guide, thereby free floating the action and making things more consistent. They make nice scope mounts for them now (like a Larue-E that is backwards) where you can mount it on the top rail, instead of the receiver. With a CTR stock and cheek riser you get a nice cheekweld.

 

[Mumbles]

The Sage is a fix, but a pretty shitty one. It might be the way to go for a competition gun or something, where accuracy was priority #1, but in a military role, sometimes this happens:

The Sage chassis does not lend itself to field maintenance AT ALL. The operating instructions for the issued Sage stocks are that maintenance is to be performed without removing the action from the stock. That's all well and good if you do all your shooting from a covered bench, but in a working-rifle role, rain happens, helicopters kick up dust, and rivers with extremely muddy banks need to be crossed.

I don't believe a military rifle should require removal of the optic, and a great many allen screws just to perform basic maintenance. It's a moot point though. The Army is heavily invested in Sage-stocked M-14s at this point. They're not going anywhere for a while. The money would have been better spent on an AR-based 7.62 platform though. Even if it did result in smaller numbers fielded during the initial stages, we'd be much better off in the long run.

 

[EricCartmann]

The Sage is a fix, but a pretty shitty one. It might be the way to go for a competition gun or something, where accuracy was priority #1, but in a military role, sometimes this happens:

The Sage chassis does not lend itself to field maintenance AT ALL. The operating instructions for the issued Sage stocks are that maintenance is to be performed without removing the action from the stock. That's all well and good if you do all your shooting from a covered bench, but in a working-rifle role, rain happens, helicopters kick up dust, and rivers with extremely muddy banks need to be crossed.

I don't believe a military rifle should require removal of the optic, and a great many allen screws just to perform basic maintenance. It's a moot point though. The Army is heavily invested in Sage-stocked M-14s at this point. They're not going anywhere for a while. The money would have been better spent on an AR-based 7.62 platform though. Even if it did result in smaller numbers fielded during the initial stages, we'd be much better off in the long run.

Oh come on! No rifle will work if it gets that dirty.

The problem with the Sage, is not so much a Sage issue, it's a M14 issue. The M14 is an archaic gun not really meant to be scoped, accurized, and modularized. Only reason we use the Sage is because we have M14's in the inventory. But hell, even if the rifle is free, it is still expensive because the Sage is dam expensive, sage alone is about the cost of a new Armalite AR10. Canadians have been using Armalites in combat and they seem quite pleased with them.

However, I think once an M14 is all set up in a sage, properly scoped, it's not a bad platform, and it does accurized the M14 keeping the action tight with the stock (via the oprod guide and screws). Sage only sucks when you have to take it apart to clean it, or if you have to Smith it. With AR's everything is pretty much plug n play. Parts are more easily available, but best of all is the AR's come ready to scope and modularize.

 

[usmc1488]

The Sage is a fix, but a pretty shitty one. It might be the way to go for a competition gun or something, where accuracy was priority #1, but in a military role, sometimes this happens:

The Sage chassis does not lend itself to field maintenance AT ALL. The operating instructions for the issued Sage stocks are that maintenance is to be performed without removing the action from the stock. That's all well and good if you do all your shooting from a covered bench, but in a working-rifle role, rain happens, helicopters kick up dust, and rivers with extremely muddy banks need to be crossed.

I don't believe a military rifle should require removal of the optic, and a great many allen screws just to perform basic maintenance. It's a moot point though. The Army is heavily invested in Sage-stocked M-14s at this point. They're not going anywhere for a while. The money would have been better spent on an AR-based 7.62 platform though. Even if it did result in smaller numbers fielded during the initial stages, we'd be much better off in the long run.

If that's a picture of you, looks like you had fun but you are wrong on a few points. I used the Sage in Iraq, its alot easier to clean than other DMR/Sniper weapon systems. The m40 can only be cleaned by taking the bolt out, thats it. The mk11/m110 is a dirty pig like its little brother and worse with the can. When our Sage got dirty the trigger group came out, and heat shield came off in a quick minute. Even if they got as dirty as your pic that could be fixed quickly. And as far as prices. Seeing how the actions were bought and paid for 60 years ago the upgrade is literally a tenth of what the m110 costs us, with the same if not better accuracy and proven better reliability.

 

[M1Amen]

I have actually held one and shot one in that bull-pup stock. It shortens the rifle a whole lot, but it also introduces some complications. The charging handle is relocated to the left side, and you get a good bit of powder fouling going up your nose with the action right below your face. The other thing to look out for is that it becomes a lot harder to use the bolt hold open. And I should go ahead and tell you that the weight distribution is heavy as fuck toward the rear of the rifle. The trigger on the bull-pup setup is far better than I expected though, with no additional creep whatsoever. I can tell you that that stock is a quality item. The fit and finish are immaculate.

 

[Name Enough]

I have had three M1As and still keep a M1A Scout for old times sake. I have tried different stocks but finally got myself a very nice presentation quallity walnut stock and it keeps the rifle the way God intended.
I love the M1A and had a m14 in the service (ya that dates me 67-69).
I took me many years to come over to the dark side but now I have Stoner pattern rifles and the M1A is for old times sake.

 

[Dracozny]

I have had three M1As and still keep a M1A Scout for old times sake. I have tried different stocks but finally got myself a very nice presentation quallity walnut stock and it keeps the rifle the way God intended.
I love the M1A and had a m14 in the service (ya that dates me 67-69).
I took me many years to come over to the dark side but now I have Stoner pattern rifles and the M1A is for old times sake.

doesn't really make you that dated till you pointed out the years, in 01-04 on my ship I carried an M14 (fiberglass stock with a steel butt plate)
on many occasions during watch.

 

[Joe Dirt]

That stock is DAMM UGLY!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mumbles]

If that's a picture of you, looks like you had fun but you are wrong on a few points. I used the Sage in Iraq, its alot easier to clean than other DMR/Sniper weapon systems. The m40 can only be cleaned by taking the bolt out, thats it. The mk11/m110 is a dirty pig like its little brother and worse with the can. When our Sage got dirty the trigger group came out, and heat shield came off in a quick minute. Even if they got as dirty as your pic that could be fixed quickly. And as far as prices. Seeing how the actions were bought and paid for 60 years ago the upgrade is literally a tenth of what the m110 costs us, with the same if not better accuracy and proven better reliability.

It is me. I used the M-14 in the old GI stock in Iraq, as well as the M-24 and the M-107, I used a Sage EBR M-14 after Iraq, as well as the M-110. I used the Sage EBR in Afghanistan. You're trying to tell me that removing the primary optic, followed by removing the 9 allen screws on the top rail is easier than pushing two pins on an M-110?

The M-40 isn't really a fair comparison here, I'd accept that in a discussion about the M-24 or M-2010.

Cartman, my point wasn't about rifle function while muddy, it was that in the field, any rifle is going to get dirty at one point or another (not usually as extreme as the picture, but rain will lead to rust, and dust needs to be taken care of sooner or later), but the Sage is unnecessarily difficult to clean when it does get dirty. Also, no matter how careful you are with paint pens and witness marks, when you not only remove the primary optic from the rail it was mounted to, but also remove the rail itself from the rest of the rifle, there's gonna be some zero-shift issues.

 

[usmc1488]

It is me. I used the M-14 in the old GI stock in Iraq, as well as the M-24 and the M-107, I used a Sage EBR M-14 after Iraq, as well as the M-110. I used the Sage EBR in Afghanistan. You're trying to tell me that removing the primary optic, followed by removing the 9 allen screws on the top rail is easier than pushing two pins on an M-110?

The M-40 isn't really a fair comparison here, I'd accept that in a discussion about the M-24 or M-2010.

Cartman, my point wasn't about rifle function while muddy, it was that in the field, any rifle is going to get dirty at one point or another (not usually as extreme as the picture, but rain will lead to rust, and dust needs to be taken care of sooner or later), but the Sage is unnecessarily difficult to clean when it does get dirty. Also, no matter how careful you are with paint pens and witness marks, when you not only remove the primary optic from the rail it was mounted to, but also remove the rail itself from the rest of the rifle, there's gonna be some zero-shift issues.

Yes, because the optic held the zero and the gas system is a million times better than the stoner. Cool pic bud, but remember next time keep the weapon out of the crap!

 

[madppcs]

I carried the M14 up until 2002. It wasn't all THAT long ago,lol.

I think that juggernaught is a love/hate thing. I personally would never buy one, but others see it as a must have. I think the M14 is one of those rifles that was built just right from the start. It was never built as a precision rifle. It was built to do EVERYTHING well. Remember that the M14 replaced 3 other rifles. The garand, the BAR, and that little sub machine gun (Cant remember the model). And honestly the M14 and M16/M4 go perfect together when used as they were intended.

 

[Troutfarm]

I am brand new to this forum. Just stumbled on the thread. I just sold my M1A in a JT Rouge today to help fund my DTA purchase. Bottom line was it was fun to shoot and always started a conversation at the range. Would I do it again? No. But it was fun. Here it was.

 

[hippyshake]

Ill take an M14 over an M110 any day. My SASS usually got left in one of the trucks and Id take an M14. The accuracy wasnt as good with the EBR, but it was exponentially more reliable. Its heavy and its ugly, but it went bang everytime I pulled the trigger.