What are your thoughts on which platform is more accurate, reliable, etc. Which do you prefer and why? What specific company or series do you like, which makes your preferred 7.62 NATO semi-automatic platform?
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M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
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Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
The AR10's as a rule are a more accurate platform. That said, the M1A is probably one of my favorite rifles. It feels like home, if that makes sense. I currently own one and it's not a precision stick but shoots pretty good for a battle rifle. I went with a Scout over the standard length. I like the AR10's and am sure that one day I'll have one but for now other projects have taken the lead...
I grew up shooting highpower and the DCM rifle I used was a M14 (blocked off to s/a only) heavy barrel, over-sized stock, bedded, with lead poured in the cleaning kit compartments, NM sights, trigger, etc. The rifle would hold one minute out to 1000 but it took a hell of a shooter to do it. The M14's we got the chance to shoot were built strictly for HP competition and definitely not something you'd want to tote around. IIRC, mine weighed somewhere in the neighborhood of 17-19#
To have an M1A built to shoot that well you could probably buy two AR10's that factory fresh would shoot as well, maybe even a little better.
The AR10's as a rule are a more accurate platform. That said, the M1A is probably one of my favorite rifles. It feels like home, if that makes sense. I currently own one and it's not a precision stick but shoots pretty good for a battle rifle. I went with a Scout over the standard length. I like the AR10's and am sure that one day I'll have one but for now other projects have taken the lead...
I grew up shooting highpower and the DCM rifle I used was a M14 (blocked off to s/a only) heavy barrel, over-sized stock, bedded, with lead poured in the cleaning kit compartments, NM sights, trigger, etc. The rifle would hold one minute out to 1000 but it took a hell of a shooter to do it. The M14's we got the chance to shoot were built strictly for HP competition and definitely not something you'd want to tote around. IIRC, mine weighed somewhere in the neighborhood of 17-19#
To have an M1A built to shoot that well you could probably buy two AR10's that factory fresh would shoot as well, maybe even a little better.
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
First off, I love both the AR-10 platform rifles and the M1A (I own both and shoot both frequently). That said, my AR-10's are my preferred 7.62/308 semi-auto rifles (and add my POF P-308 to the AR-10 type rifle list).
In terms of inherent accuracy, I think that the AR-10 platform rifles have the advantage. You can take a rack-grade Armalite AR-10 rifle and with quality ammo/shooter, get below 1.5MOA out of the box. You'll be sub-MOA with some of the other factory offerings such as the AR-10(T) rifles/carbines and SASS rifles. That is not to say that you can't make an M1A shoot well into the sub-MOA accuracy range...but it'll cost you handsomely compared to the costs, etc. of an AR-10!!
You also tend to have more flexibility with the AR-10 platform in terms of upgradability. If you need to fill a different role, say long-range precision rifle to a close-range defensive carbine, you can swap out an upper in a matter of seconds. I do this with one of my AR-10 rifles that I have setup with a long-range upper, 24" barrel, 20x optics and a second 16" carbine upper with irons, an EoTech/Magnifier, etc. for short-range work. I keep these together in a single hard case and can cover the range from CQB to 1k with one lower and 2 uppers.
In terms of reliability, that is a tough call. My AR-10 rifles are extremely reliable, but I have on occasion had a FTE/FTF...likely my own fault and not the rifle's. I can't think of a single, non-operator error related malfunction with my M1A or any other M1As I have owned. They just run!!
As far as specific rifles/mfgs/etc., there are a $H!TLOAD of options floating around depending on your specific needs/wants in a rifle. If you have something in mind, post it up and I am sure the membership here can point you in the best direction.
First off, I love both the AR-10 platform rifles and the M1A (I own both and shoot both frequently). That said, my AR-10's are my preferred 7.62/308 semi-auto rifles (and add my POF P-308 to the AR-10 type rifle list).
In terms of inherent accuracy, I think that the AR-10 platform rifles have the advantage. You can take a rack-grade Armalite AR-10 rifle and with quality ammo/shooter, get below 1.5MOA out of the box. You'll be sub-MOA with some of the other factory offerings such as the AR-10(T) rifles/carbines and SASS rifles. That is not to say that you can't make an M1A shoot well into the sub-MOA accuracy range...but it'll cost you handsomely compared to the costs, etc. of an AR-10!!
You also tend to have more flexibility with the AR-10 platform in terms of upgradability. If you need to fill a different role, say long-range precision rifle to a close-range defensive carbine, you can swap out an upper in a matter of seconds. I do this with one of my AR-10 rifles that I have setup with a long-range upper, 24" barrel, 20x optics and a second 16" carbine upper with irons, an EoTech/Magnifier, etc. for short-range work. I keep these together in a single hard case and can cover the range from CQB to 1k with one lower and 2 uppers.
In terms of reliability, that is a tough call. My AR-10 rifles are extremely reliable, but I have on occasion had a FTE/FTF...likely my own fault and not the rifle's. I can't think of a single, non-operator error related malfunction with my M1A or any other M1As I have owned. They just run!!
As far as specific rifles/mfgs/etc., there are a $H!TLOAD of options floating around depending on your specific needs/wants in a rifle. If you have something in mind, post it up and I am sure the membership here can point you in the best direction.
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
I have had both platforms and both shoot well but as said above, it took me a lot more money to get my M1A to run at peak performance. I have a DPMS SASS that is just a plain nice shooter as I can get 1 MOA all day long and I couldn't always say that with my M1A. But, don't get me wrong, I love the M1A rifle but it just isn't as simple as the 308 AR's but then again I grew up in the Army with the M16 platform so it is easier for me to deal with. You can't go wrong with either.
I have had both platforms and both shoot well but as said above, it took me a lot more money to get my M1A to run at peak performance. I have a DPMS SASS that is just a plain nice shooter as I can get 1 MOA all day long and I couldn't always say that with my M1A. But, don't get me wrong, I love the M1A rifle but it just isn't as simple as the 308 AR's but then again I grew up in the Army with the M16 platform so it is easier for me to deal with. You can't go wrong with either.
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Shoot both and buy whichever you like the most. Dollar for dollar the AR will give you more accuracy for less money though, and it's more ergonomic.
Shoot both and buy whichever you like the most. Dollar for dollar the AR will give you more accuracy for less money though, and it's more ergonomic.
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As many others here stated I also own both rifles. I have a GA Precison Built AR-10 and Springfield M1A Scout. I have to say I love them both, tuff decision. I would have to say If I could only have one I would have to go woth the M1A. The Ar-10 I own is crazy accurate ( what else would you expect from GAP) reliable, fun to shoot, but damn heavy. My M1A Scout is also accurate, reliable and a blast to shoot. I love the factory Iron Sights and like the fact that I can reach directly into the open action to clear any malfunction if I had to. As far as handling, it handles great and comes to the shoulder fast and points very naturally, more of a riflemans rifle. Good luck with your decision.
As many others here stated I also own both rifles. I have a GA Precison Built AR-10 and Springfield M1A Scout. I have to say I love them both, tuff decision. I would have to say If I could only have one I would have to go woth the M1A. The Ar-10 I own is crazy accurate ( what else would you expect from GAP) reliable, fun to shoot, but damn heavy. My M1A Scout is also accurate, reliable and a blast to shoot. I love the factory Iron Sights and like the fact that I can reach directly into the open action to clear any malfunction if I had to. As far as handling, it handles great and comes to the shoulder fast and points very naturally, more of a riflemans rifle. Good luck with your decision.
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I have both as well. The AR-10 (Eagle Arms by Armalite) actually gave me quite a bit of trouble. The folks over at AR-15.com were helpful, but it was actually a couple of problems that I was dealing with. It started with fail to feed problems which were determined to be the barrel feed ramp and magazine problems. All of the problems were rectified but it was no fun when it wasn't running. Additionally, the AR-10T that I have is very heavy.
My M14 type rifles that I own range from lightly upgraded to heavy match configurations. The Super Match rifles are very accurate and probably as accurate as my AR-10T. These rifles are also heavy but I feel are more balanced than the AR-10T in off hand position.
The costs of modifying or upgrading either platform in my opinion is about the same. The AR-10 and M14 type rifle have enourmous amounts of accessories and parts to select from.
Both are highly effective platforms to build on. Whether you are looking for light tactical type rifles or precision shooters, I think either way you go will be the right way.
Maintaining or cleaning these rifles, the AR-10 is much faster and can be cleaned from the breech which is a plus.
Good Luck.
Tom O.
I have both as well. The AR-10 (Eagle Arms by Armalite) actually gave me quite a bit of trouble. The folks over at AR-15.com were helpful, but it was actually a couple of problems that I was dealing with. It started with fail to feed problems which were determined to be the barrel feed ramp and magazine problems. All of the problems were rectified but it was no fun when it wasn't running. Additionally, the AR-10T that I have is very heavy.
My M14 type rifles that I own range from lightly upgraded to heavy match configurations. The Super Match rifles are very accurate and probably as accurate as my AR-10T. These rifles are also heavy but I feel are more balanced than the AR-10T in off hand position.
The costs of modifying or upgrading either platform in my opinion is about the same. The AR-10 and M14 type rifle have enourmous amounts of accessories and parts to select from.
Both are highly effective platforms to build on. Whether you are looking for light tactical type rifles or precision shooters, I think either way you go will be the right way.
Maintaining or cleaning these rifles, the AR-10 is much faster and can be cleaned from the breech which is a plus.
Good Luck.
Tom O.
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
FNAR choice number 3. I like the M14 and AR10 but the FNAR is yet another way to go. Check them out for yourself.My FNAR shoots great.
Scot
FNAR choice number 3. I like the M14 and AR10 but the FNAR is yet another way to go. Check them out for yourself.My FNAR shoots great.
Scot
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
My choice is the Armalite AR-10 or POF 308. I love the M1A NM but I believe that it's a better platform for open sight shooting. Yes you can get a great mount and mate it to the M1A and there is nothing that looks as cool as a white feather look-a-like but it aint cheap and it aint light. I like the flexibility and user friendliness of the AR design....
..............................SmokeRolls
My choice is the Armalite AR-10 or POF 308. I love the M1A NM but I believe that it's a better platform for open sight shooting. Yes you can get a great mount and mate it to the M1A and there is nothing that looks as cool as a white feather look-a-like but it aint cheap and it aint light. I like the flexibility and user friendliness of the AR design....
..............................SmokeRolls
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In 04 I used the DMR M1A in the Battle of Fallujah. We had a Quantico Armorer in our armory that could work wonders on our guns. We had time to fine tune before the show started, very accurate and reliable. I've shot the AR-10 a lot, but nothing compares to the weapon you used in combat. For me, that's where I put my money and enjoy every minute shooting it. It all comes down to personal choice...
In 04 I used the DMR M1A in the Battle of Fallujah. We had a Quantico Armorer in our armory that could work wonders on our guns. We had time to fine tune before the show started, very accurate and reliable. I've shot the AR-10 a lot, but nothing compares to the weapon you used in combat. For me, that's where I put my money and enjoy every minute shooting it. It all comes down to personal choice...
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FNAR choice number 3. I like the M14 and AR10 but the FNAR is yet another way to go. Check them out for yourself.My FNAR shoots great.
Scot </div></div>
How do you think FNAR compares are fair as accuracy?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FNAR choice number 3. I like the M14 and AR10 but the FNAR is yet another way to go. Check them out for yourself.My FNAR shoots great.
Scot </div></div>
How do you think FNAR compares are fair as accuracy?
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
Thanks for all the replies, great info. I've shot M1A and just did not like the metal on metal sound with cycling. I'm sure it's reliable, but sometime about it for me.
I'm favoring AR-10 platform because of aftermarket parts and I'm very familiar with AR-15. Leaning towards POF 308. How does GAP AR-10 compare?
Handled a FNAR before, but never shot one. How does it compare to POF 308 and GAP AR-10?
Thanks for all the replies, great info. I've shot M1A and just did not like the metal on metal sound with cycling. I'm sure it's reliable, but sometime about it for me.
I'm favoring AR-10 platform because of aftermarket parts and I'm very familiar with AR-15. Leaning towards POF 308. How does GAP AR-10 compare?
Handled a FNAR before, but never shot one. How does it compare to POF 308 and GAP AR-10?
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GAP AR308's are supposed to be incredible. If you're willing to spend that kind of money consider a noveske as well, or buy whatever barrel you want and put together your own (or have a smith do it). POF 308's are nice if I had the cash I would certainly consider one - piston driven, good barrel, good company.
Whatever you buy I would at least try to find one locally and handle it to see if it's something you will want to sit behind and throw dollars downrange.
FNAR's have been getting good reviews one I read had several 3/4" groups.
GAP AR308's are supposed to be incredible. If you're willing to spend that kind of money consider a noveske as well, or buy whatever barrel you want and put together your own (or have a smith do it). POF 308's are nice if I had the cash I would certainly consider one - piston driven, good barrel, good company.
Whatever you buy I would at least try to find one locally and handle it to see if it's something you will want to sit behind and throw dollars downrange.
FNAR's have been getting good reviews one I read had several 3/4" groups.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Handled a FNAR before, but never shot one. How does it compare to POF 308 and GAP AR-10? </div></div>
IMHO there is no comparison.
The FNAR would work well for a Police patrol rifle. IMHO it's not suited as a combat rifle or a precision rifle.
There is no way you could get me to trade my AR10 for a FNAR.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Handled a FNAR before, but never shot one. How does it compare to POF 308 and GAP AR-10? </div></div>
IMHO there is no comparison.
The FNAR would work well for a Police patrol rifle. IMHO it's not suited as a combat rifle or a precision rifle.
There is no way you could get me to trade my AR10 for a FNAR.
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I don't own any one of the 3 but I did get to spend some range time with the a guys FN he was have problems getting sighted in ( owner error ) it would hold 1" @ a 100 with no problem with std. ammo. I still leaning to the AR though
I don't own any one of the 3 but I did get to spend some range time with the a guys FN he was have problems getting sighted in ( owner error ) it would hold 1" @ a 100 with no problem with std. ammo. I still leaning to the AR though
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Raider99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In 04 I used the DMR M1A in the Battle of Fallujah. We had a Quantico Armorer in our armory that could work wonders on our guns. We had time to fine tune before the show started, very accurate and reliable. I've shot the AR-10 a lot, but nothing compares to the weapon you used in combat. For me, that's where I put my money and enjoy every minute shooting it. It all comes down to personal choice... </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Raider99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In 04 I used the DMR M1A in the Battle of Fallujah. We had a Quantico Armorer in our armory that could work wonders on our guns. We had time to fine tune before the show started, very accurate and reliable. I've shot the AR-10 a lot, but nothing compares to the weapon you used in combat. For me, that's where I put my money and enjoy every minute shooting it. It all comes down to personal choice... </div></div>
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Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
AR10 more modular, more after market parts and cheaper to modify and base rifle..personal preference and budget is always key
AR10 more modular, more after market parts and cheaper to modify and base rifle..personal preference and budget is always key
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There are several FNAR owners that get 3/4moa or better .Mine likes 175smk. As far as a battle rifle goes I would not feel under guned with the FNAR. FN has 20 rd mags and once you learn the weapon it is just another op-rod 308. Stock is adjustable for cant and cast(comes with shims) and cheek risers are included.The forend is already railed.Google the FNAR and read the reviews.I had a choice of the FNAR or a DPMS 308 . Both in stock at my dealer I got the FNAR and a Friend took the DPMS side by side my FNAR shoots as good or better than the DPMS.If I had the money I would have a AR10 and a M14 also but I would not trade my FNAR for either one.Thats what works for me. Everyone is different.
Scot
There are several FNAR owners that get 3/4moa or better .Mine likes 175smk. As far as a battle rifle goes I would not feel under guned with the FNAR. FN has 20 rd mags and once you learn the weapon it is just another op-rod 308. Stock is adjustable for cant and cast(comes with shims) and cheek risers are included.The forend is already railed.Google the FNAR and read the reviews.I had a choice of the FNAR or a DPMS 308 . Both in stock at my dealer I got the FNAR and a Friend took the DPMS side by side my FNAR shoots as good or better than the DPMS.If I had the money I would have a AR10 and a M14 also but I would not trade my FNAR for either one.Thats what works for me. Everyone is different.
Scot
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Well said JRose!! I went through the same decisions on what I should go with. I had a nice M1-A that I had for years but when I decided I wanted to go with a silencer set up for both my bolt gun and my semiauto I decided after doing all the research that the AR-10 would make the better rifle for what I wanted to do.
I wanted MOA or better accuracy to 700yds and to be able to have the compatability of the silencer. The AR-10 has filled the bill for me. I loved my M1-A and it was hard to part with it since the reason I bought it was because I also carried one on my first tour in Nam and then on my second tour I had a Car 15 (Which I also have) So letting it go was no easy thing to do.
I just could not afford to have both rifles.
As far as accuracy goes there is no comparison. The Armalite flat outshoots the M1-A hands down. My M1-A would occasionally shoot a MOA or close to it group but most of the time it was a solid 1.5" gun.
I guess it depends on your needs. You need to decide what you want out of your gun and then pick the one that fills those needs. You will be happy with either one.
Well said JRose!! I went through the same decisions on what I should go with. I had a nice M1-A that I had for years but when I decided I wanted to go with a silencer set up for both my bolt gun and my semiauto I decided after doing all the research that the AR-10 would make the better rifle for what I wanted to do.
I wanted MOA or better accuracy to 700yds and to be able to have the compatability of the silencer. The AR-10 has filled the bill for me. I loved my M1-A and it was hard to part with it since the reason I bought it was because I also carried one on my first tour in Nam and then on my second tour I had a Car 15 (Which I also have) So letting it go was no easy thing to do.
I just could not afford to have both rifles.
As far as accuracy goes there is no comparison. The Armalite flat outshoots the M1-A hands down. My M1-A would occasionally shoot a MOA or close to it group but most of the time it was a solid 1.5" gun.
I guess it depends on your needs. You need to decide what you want out of your gun and then pick the one that fills those needs. You will be happy with either one.
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H20 - either your can is not mounted correctly or your picture is warped, as the can bows down from true with the axis of the bore...
H20 - either your can is not mounted correctly or your picture is warped, as the can bows down from true with the axis of the bore...
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It shoots around corners.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinB-KAC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">H20 - either your can is not mounted correctly or your picture is warped, as the can bows down from true with the axis of the bore... </div></div>
It's the camera lens curving the image. It does this when I get close to the subject.
It shoots around corners.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinB-KAC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">H20 - either your can is not mounted correctly or your picture is warped, as the can bows down from true with the axis of the bore... </div></div>
It's the camera lens curving the image. It does this when I get close to the subject.
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The M1A makes a great battle rifle with open sights. Put it into a GI synthetic stock it's fairly lightweight for for caliber and it's pretty dang reliable.
But if you want Optics, Rails, Easy barrel or upper swaps and cheap accuracy the AR10 style rifles are the hands down winner. The ergonomics with optics is the biggest selling point with me to go over to the AR10 platform.
The M1A makes a great battle rifle with open sights. Put it into a GI synthetic stock it's fairly lightweight for for caliber and it's pretty dang reliable.
But if you want Optics, Rails, Easy barrel or upper swaps and cheap accuracy the AR10 style rifles are the hands down winner. The ergonomics with optics is the biggest selling point with me to go over to the AR10 platform.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rbpilot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The M1A makes a great battle rifle with open sights.
Put it into a GI synthetic stock it's fairly lightweight for caliber and it's pretty dang reliable.</div></div>
Yep, you got that right.
I am working on fitting an UltiMAK M8 to the SEI barrel so
I can mount a scout scope on it... no cheek riser needed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rbpilot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The M1A makes a great battle rifle with open sights.
Put it into a GI synthetic stock it's fairly lightweight for caliber and it's pretty dang reliable.</div></div>
Yep, you got that right.
I am working on fitting an UltiMAK M8 to the SEI barrel so
I can mount a scout scope on it... no cheek riser needed
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Back in the early 80's I bought a Devine, TX Match Grade M1A. With either Sierra or Hornady 168 grain Match bullets it shot less than 1 MOA groups out to 500 yards (furthest distance available to me) from the very first time I shot it. So I have never been tempted to go the AR 10 route. However the XM 110 in civilian form, SR 25, has me rethinking that decision.
Back in the early 80's I bought a Devine, TX Match Grade M1A. With either Sierra or Hornady 168 grain Match bullets it shot less than 1 MOA groups out to 500 yards (furthest distance available to me) from the very first time I shot it. So I have never been tempted to go the AR 10 route. However the XM 110 in civilian form, SR 25, has me rethinking that decision.
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I'm obviously biased, but my SR-25 EM Carbine shoots sub moa out to 500m, and under 1.5moa @ 800m, with a 16" barrel to boot...
I'm obviously biased, but my SR-25 EM Carbine shoots sub moa out to 500m, and under 1.5moa @ 800m, with a 16" barrel to boot...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Better than MOA accuracy to 700yds and sound suppressor compatible.
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Who manufactures that gun, and what type of stock do you have on it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Better than MOA accuracy to 700yds and sound suppressor compatible.
Who manufactures that gun, and what type of stock do you have on it?
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So if you were to choose an AR10 platform rifle, which would it be, and why?
KAC SR-25
POF P308
GAP
Any other comparable rifles you can suggest?
So if you were to choose an AR10 platform rifle, which would it be, and why?
KAC SR-25
POF P308
GAP
Any other comparable rifles you can suggest?
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I have both an AR-10T that John Holenger put a kreger barrel on it and a Jewell trigger in it and it shoots great with a nightforce 12-42X56
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...831#Post1672831
The M1a is a socom with a chote folding stock and a aimpoint m3 and at 350 yds at my local range we shoot at a swing plate and it does not miss
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showpic&id=4388
so i gess it comes down to what it is used for.The m1a is very reliable and the AR-10 can reach out and hit .
So if you are looking for a sniper/target = AR-10T and a combat rifle = M1A
I have both an AR-10T that John Holenger put a kreger barrel on it and a Jewell trigger in it and it shoots great with a nightforce 12-42X56
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...831#Post1672831
The M1a is a socom with a chote folding stock and a aimpoint m3 and at 350 yds at my local range we shoot at a swing plate and it does not miss
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showpic&id=4388
so i gess it comes down to what it is used for.The m1a is very reliable and the AR-10 can reach out and hit .
So if you are looking for a sniper/target = AR-10T and a combat rifle = M1A
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So if you were to choose an AR10 platform rifle, which would it be, and why?
KAC SR-25
POF P308
GAP
Any other comparable rifles you can suggest?
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Noveske, Fulton, Larue.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So if you were to choose an AR10 platform rifle, which would it be, and why?
KAC SR-25
POF P308
GAP
Any other comparable rifles you can suggest?
</div></div>
Noveske, Fulton, Larue.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Better than MOA accuracy to 700yds and sound suppressor compatible.
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Who manufactures that gun, and what type of stock do you have on it? </div></div>
The gun was built for me by Ron Smith at Smith Enterprise, Inc.
It's built on a forged Norinco receiver with USGI TRW and SEI parts.
I chose SEI's 18.0", 4 groove, 1:10 ROT Crazy Horse barrel chambered for M118LR.
The barreled action is bolted into a 1 of 25, full length SAGE Navy SEAL Grey EBR Stock.
Here is a more recent picture
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Better than MOA accuracy to 700yds and sound suppressor compatible.
Who manufactures that gun, and what type of stock do you have on it? </div></div>
The gun was built for me by Ron Smith at Smith Enterprise, Inc.
It's built on a forged Norinco receiver with USGI TRW and SEI parts.
I chose SEI's 18.0", 4 groove, 1:10 ROT Crazy Horse barrel chambered for M118LR.
The barreled action is bolted into a 1 of 25, full length SAGE Navy SEAL Grey EBR Stock.
Here is a more recent picture
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Better than MOA accuracy to 700yds and sound suppressor compatible.
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Who manufactures that gun, and what type of stock do you have on it? </div></div>
The gun was built for me by Ron Smith at Smith Enterprise, Inc.
It's built on a forged Norinco receiver with USGI TRW and SEI parts.
I chose SEI's 18.0", 4 groove, 1:10 ROT Crazy Horse barrel chambered for M118LR.
The barreled action is bolted into a 1 of 25, full length SAGE Navy SEAL Grey EBR Stock.
Here is a more recent picture
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Awesome setup!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Better than MOA accuracy to 700yds and sound suppressor compatible.
Who manufactures that gun, and what type of stock do you have on it? </div></div>
The gun was built for me by Ron Smith at Smith Enterprise, Inc.
It's built on a forged Norinco receiver with USGI TRW and SEI parts.
I chose SEI's 18.0", 4 groove, 1:10 ROT Crazy Horse barrel chambered for M118LR.
The barreled action is bolted into a 1 of 25, full length SAGE Navy SEAL Grey EBR Stock.
Here is a more recent picture
Awesome setup!
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Better than MOA accuracy to 700yds and sound suppressor compatible.
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Who manufactures that gun, and what type of stock do you have on it? </div></div>
The gun was built for me by Ron Smith at Smith Enterprise, Inc.
It's built on a forged Norinco receiver with USGI TRW and SEI parts.
I chose SEI's 18.0", 4 groove, 1:10 ROT Crazy Horse barrel chambered for M118LR.
The barreled action is bolted into a 1 of 25, full length SAGE Navy SEAL Grey EBR Stock.
Here is a more recent picture
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Awesome setup! </div></div>
Thank you!
I am very happy with the versatile modernized M14.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Better than MOA accuracy to 700yds and sound suppressor compatible.
Who manufactures that gun, and what type of stock do you have on it? </div></div>
The gun was built for me by Ron Smith at Smith Enterprise, Inc.
It's built on a forged Norinco receiver with USGI TRW and SEI parts.
I chose SEI's 18.0", 4 groove, 1:10 ROT Crazy Horse barrel chambered for M118LR.
The barreled action is bolted into a 1 of 25, full length SAGE Navy SEAL Grey EBR Stock.
Here is a more recent picture
Awesome setup! </div></div>
Thank you!
I am very happy with the versatile modernized M14.
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
is it possible that i had the only rack grade m1a of all time that shot moa without mods? i have never tried a ar10 been meanin to but and ive only had one springer "loaded" m1a but it printed really good groups and didnt cost nearly what an ar10 does.
is it possible that i had the only rack grade m1a of all time that shot moa without mods? i have never tried a ar10 been meanin to but and ive only had one springer "loaded" m1a but it printed really good groups and didnt cost nearly what an ar10 does.
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marduk185</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is it possible that i had the only rack grade m1a of all time that shot moa without mods? </div></div>
No. Others have experienced the same results as you with their M1A.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marduk185</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is it possible that i had the only rack grade m1a of all time that shot moa without mods? </div></div>
No. Others have experienced the same results as you with their M1A.
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
mine has been re-worked, upgraded, re-stocked, unitized, trued, carressed, tricked, and everything else imaginable and shoots 6 MOA, is that good?
mine has been re-worked, upgraded, re-stocked, unitized, trued, carressed, tricked, and everything else imaginable and shoots 6 MOA, is that good?
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jayjayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mine has been re-worked, upgraded, re-stocked, unitized, trued, carressed, tricked, and everything else imaginable and shoots 6 MOA, is that good? </div></div>
I had one built by a well known M1A guy, with the works and everything and it shoots 1.5 moa consistently, with only accidental groups in the 1 moa range. I guess its close enough for its intended use, which is service rifle competition. But that sport is dominated by ARs now.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jayjayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mine has been re-worked, upgraded, re-stocked, unitized, trued, carressed, tricked, and everything else imaginable and shoots 6 MOA, is that good? </div></div>
I had one built by a well known M1A guy, with the works and everything and it shoots 1.5 moa consistently, with only accidental groups in the 1 moa range. I guess its close enough for its intended use, which is service rifle competition. But that sport is dominated by ARs now.
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marduk185</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is it possible that i had the only rack grade m1a of all time that shot moa without mods? i have never tried a ar10 been meanin to but and ive only had one springer "loaded" m1a but it printed really good groups and didnt cost nearly what an ar10 does. </div></div>
I did have a Winchester M-14 in Iraq that was off the rack, with a cheap springfield armory mount and a 10x supersniper, it shoot 1 moa. With a crack at the front of the stock, it shot as good as my $3000 custom, national match, rear lugged, Kreiger barreled M1A. Go figure!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marduk185</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is it possible that i had the only rack grade m1a of all time that shot moa without mods? i have never tried a ar10 been meanin to but and ive only had one springer "loaded" m1a but it printed really good groups and didnt cost nearly what an ar10 does. </div></div>
I did have a Winchester M-14 in Iraq that was off the rack, with a cheap springfield armory mount and a 10x supersniper, it shoot 1 moa. With a crack at the front of the stock, it shot as good as my $3000 custom, national match, rear lugged, Kreiger barreled M1A. Go figure!
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jayjayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mine has been re-worked, upgraded, re-stocked, unitized, trued, carressed, tricked, and everything else imaginable and shoots 6 MOA, am I a good shot? </div></div>
No... Seek help.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jayjayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mine has been re-worked, upgraded, re-stocked, unitized, trued, carressed, tricked, and everything else imaginable and shoots 6 MOA, am I a good shot? </div></div>
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jayjayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mine has been re-worked, upgraded, re-stocked, unitized, trued, carressed, tricked, and everything else imaginable and shoots 6 MOA, am I a good shot? </div></div>
No... Seek help. </div></div>
He must have a reworked moison-nagant barrel on it or something.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jayjayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mine has been re-worked, upgraded, re-stocked, unitized, trued, carressed, tricked, and everything else imaginable and shoots 6 MOA, am I a good shot? </div></div>
He must have a reworked moison-nagant barrel on it or something.
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-weight: bold">AR-10 hands down.
It is lighter, cheaper, has better accessory options, and is generally more accurate.
That said, IMHO the M14/M1A looks better
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<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-weight: bold">AR-10 hands down.
It is lighter, cheaper, has better accessory options, and is generally more accurate.
That said, IMHO the M14/M1A looks better
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
Thanks to Obamonomics, I only have one of the three above left.
Guess which one I kept?
Thanks to Obamonomics, I only have one of the three above left.
Guess which one I kept?
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
Come on Jeff, we all know that if you work more, and keep less, that it's better for everybody!
Everybody but you....
Come on Jeff, we all know that if you work more, and keep less, that it's better for everybody!
Everybody but you....
Re: M1A vs. AR10 7.62 NATO platform?
to be honest it shoots around 2 MOA, I've been battling this bad boy for a couple years and think it's time to switch out that worn 1-2inch twist nagant barrel, the receiver says norinco so I don't know why it's not a race gun
to be honest it shoots around 2 MOA, I've been battling this bad boy for a couple years and think it's time to switch out that worn 1-2inch twist nagant barrel, the receiver says norinco so I don't know why it's not a race gun
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