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Rifle Scopes M4 AR-15 Best Optics

SPRINKLE

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Guys, I need a CQB sight for my LWRC for a class I am taking in February. So for those of you who have made a living on this tell me what you like please. I don't have the funds to buy one of each lol.
300 yards and in. need to be able to make entries and engage moving targets.
 
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Troy iron sights...after that an Aimpoint T1 in a LaRue mount. The iron sights are pretty much fail proof and they allow you to engage man-sized targets out to the ranges you described. The Aimpoints are an industry standard for durability and battery life, I know people that have never turned theirs off and they're still on the first battery.
 
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I prefer the Aimpoints over the Eotechs. There both good quality, so it's user preference. I currently run an M2 on my work carbine. If you have the money/desire add a 3X mag with a Larue flip mount. There were a couple members here selling them at great prices not all that long ago.

Do some searching on the site. There are quite a few threads discussing pro's and con's of each as well as other optics.
 
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As with anything, what optics work for you comes down to personal preference really. Acog, Aimpoint, Eotech are tried and tested products that will hold up, The Leupold CQ/T is another great optic thats very versatile as well, so theres lots of options.

Myself and others I know have also used 4x Acogs for close range work (not ideally) but it can be done. Kinda depends on if you really need the magnification to shoot the longer distances (how good is your eyesight) some guys have no problem at 400yds with irons, while others cant see shit.

For what you want, an ideal setup might be an aimpoint or eotech with a flip / qd magnifier if you need magnification for the longer range.

But like TM said, irons work great and they dont take batteries.
 
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I would go with the new IOR "Pitbull" 1&4x or something like it. The Leupold 1.5-5x Mark 4 SPR isn't bad for the money. If money isn't a problem USO SN-4 1.5-6x is very nice. This type of scope will let you shoot from CQB to 5-600 yards, the reddot sight's are really only good for 100 yards and under. (if you do get a reddot go for a 2moa dot, a 4moa dot at 300 yards will cover most of your target.) This is just my opinion, you may like something else all together.
 
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My LWRC upper wears a Swarovski Z6 1-6x with illuminated circle dot reticle mounted in a LaRue SPR mount. It is like a red dot sight when on 1x, but you can increase it up to 6x (or in between) when you want to reach out there. I have tried A LOT of optics (Aimpoints, EOTechs, Leupolds, Trijicon ACOG & Reflex, etc.) setups on flattop AR's and have found this to be one of the best. Not inexpensive, but high quality. Everyone who has shot my rifle with this set-up loves it. One of my friend's who is a firearms instructor (handgun, Rem870 and AR15/M16 "UPR") at LAPD described it as a "Video Game" because it was sooo easy and accurate.

If you are LEO or govt, Swarovski provides a big discount.

Just another option to consider. Best of luck!

Tim
 
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Trijicon Accupoint 1-4x.

Can be used both up close (true 1x), and out to 300+ yards. The Green Triangle allows for quick target acquisition up close and precision out at distance. It also shows in virtually all lighting conditions I have used it in. No batteries required. Fiber optic for day and tritium at night.

Glass is super clear.

Very good scope for your purposes.
 
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Mine is not an LWRC but I really like my meopta K dot

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Check out the Nightforce 1-4x24. I have one with the FC 2 reticle and it works great from close in to 400 yards which is the farthest I shot it to so far. Well worth a look if it's in your price range.
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There are plenty of options for a CQB sight on an AR, but I would only really consider 2, especially if this is your 1st mounting. These are my personal preferences/opinions, so don't feel like I these are your only choices. Handle both optics if you can to see if you like them.

I would rank Aimpoint #1; whether you decide on a CompM2, M3, M4, T-1 or H-1 is a matter of personal preference and budget. I have 2 M2s and a T-1, and although the T-1 definitely has more of a "cool" factor to it, I think the M2 or M3 is much more user friendly - the dial for brightness is so easy to turn that you can do it with one finger. In contrast, the dial on the T-1 or H-1 is very stiff to start out with, but it loosens a bit over time.

#2 on my list would be an ACOG. I actually prefer a nice ACOG over the Aimpoint for its versatility and guaranteed reliability (uses tritium, no batteries), but it is a more expensive option than the Aimpoint. If you decide to go this route, for CQB work, make sure you get a dual illuminated BAC model. Lots of dudes don't seem to realize this, but the BAC models were meant to be used with both eyes open. Go to Trijicon's site and watch the demo of how it works. Now, you just need to decide which magnification and reticle style/color. I have a 3.5x and I just sold a 4x, but if I were to get another one, I think I would go with a lower magnification. I am not disappointed in mine at all though, as it is cool to have a scope that you can use with 2 eyes open for quick up close engagement, but can still take a further precision shot with a squint if you need to. I would go with their horseshoe green reticle if you can get one, but a chevron or donut will do just fine. I have a red donut and I like it. Awesome durability too, and Trijicon has superb customer service. I assume you are gonna mount this on a flattop, so be sure to get a mount. I use the Larue LT-100, which is the best mount in my opinion. Also, make sure you have the right eye relief. This is not a problem if you have a collapsible stock, but if you are using a standard A2 or pinned stock like I am in this shitty state of NY, you need to get the mount aft or choke up a bit on the cheek weld if you are mounting BUIS behind it, which is essential.

This being said, I consider it imperative to have BUIS on your rifle, and sight them in before your class. You don't want to be stuck in a position where you had to remove your sight for whatever reason and find that your irons are not dialed in, stalling the class. Good luck with whatever you choose.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dark Side</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I prefer the Aimpoints over the Eotechs. There both good quality, so it's user preference. I currently run an M2 on my work carbine. If you have the money/desire add a 3X mag with a Larue flip mount. There were a couple members here selling them at great prices not all that long ago.

Do some searching on the site. There are quite a few threads discussing pro's and con's of each as well as other optics. </div></div>

So some clarification please. If you put a 3x magnifier behind an Aimpoint M2 is the 4 MOA dot now 12 MOA? May sound stupid but I have never used a magnifier and have been curious. If it magnifies the dot how useful is it??? (not trying to hijack the thread but think it would be a key piece of information for the OP to make a decision).

Thanks
Pat
 
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MtGoat: If you put the magnifier behind the Aimpoint it will magnify BOTH your dot AND your target (whatever the dot is "on") and magnify both so they will both appear larger but with the same relation in size as without the magnifier.
So the dot itself will not cover any more of your target and a 2MOA dot will still be a 2 MOA dot...

I have M3 and TA01NSN-DOC, both are excellent.
The M3 with 2 moa dot is great to 150 yds or so, without magnifier.Its really rugged and has excellent glass.

The Docter with its 7moa dot is good for about 70-100 (slightly slower to pick up at first than the Aimpoint due to its way smaller size but thats made up with range time) and combined with the BDC reticle in the ACOG for 100->, that combo is hard to beat imo.
ACOGs glass is top notch, even at night with moonlight (no NV), only time Ive seen the illuminated (tritium) yellow center crosshairs wash out was when aiming at moonlit snow, immediately upon aiming at a darker target it was "back" again.
It really comes down to what you prefer, both are highly recommendable, I would go to a range and try both out, Aimpoint with magnifier and Acog with Doc, must be plenty of those setups around there that the owners will allow you to play with for a while...

John - out
 
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Im an Aimpoint fan ... M2 as I run it. Many options for a 3x out there varied in price. I know a lot of Eotech fans but Im not one of them. If I do add a 3x it will most likely be a twist off so I can keep my BUIS.
 
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To me Trijicon is one of the best AR15 optics. There are lot of good 1-4x scopes out there like the Nightforce 1-4x24mm, US0, MeOpta K-Dot, and the NEW Trijicon TR24 are very nice also. The NF & USO 1-4x's are very robust, the TR24 big advantage is it has daytime illumination that does not require batteries, and the K-Dot has a daytime illumination but requires batteries. My favorite is the ELCAN Specter DR 1-4x.

Let me know if we can be of help in getting any optic.