MagnetoSpeed V2 V3 side by side

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    #1
    Here are some quick pics I took of the V2's and V3's side by side. I hope this may help anyone who has some questions about the differences in the two units.

    MagnetoSpeed V3|Ballistic Chronograph BisonTactical

    V2 on the left, V3 on the right
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    V3 on the left, V2 on the right

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    Display units and Bayonet's work across V2/V3 product lines:

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    Downward facing port on new style bayonet:

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    #2
    Of course, the next step is to mount them "side by side" on a barrel and compare readings. (Can two be mounted on the same barrel without interference?)
     
    #7
    I will try to get some closer / better pictures today of the strap system - I know its an area they worked on. The metal blast shield is user replaceable - but I am guessing it will seldom be needed.

    re the question earlier on mounting the V2/V3 on the same barrel - MagnetoSpeed says nogo - they will certainly interfere.
     
    #9
    The spring loaded quick release buckle on the V3 is nice, makes it much faster to rapidly pull slack in or out of the strap compared to the V2.

    I upgraded from the V2 to the V3 mainly for the new air rifle mode the V3 offers (and I can confirm it works) but after using the V3 the redesigned buckle & strap setup turned out to be a very nice improvement as well.

    The new V3 display unit is nice too since you no longer need a screwdriver to change batteries.

    If I didn't want the air rifle mode of the V3 I would have been content sticking with my V2, but the V3 does include several nice setup & usability improvements over the V2.
     
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    #13
    These are pretty cool. I just used my V2 for the first time yesterday and set up was easy and quick. Nothing overly complicated in set up and being able to carry the whole chrono set up in a small case is nice. No dragging along the sky screens, tripod and chrono box. Readings were right on. Being able to easily use it shooting prone is great too. I can tell you the Oehler will be spending more time at home in the closet. If you are on the fence about getting one you shouldn't be.
     
    #14
    M40_A1 said:
    Why would it?...you mean as in.....when shooting AP bullets?
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    I don't know, the devise uses magnetism to detect the bullet path, I mean the bullets are made of metal right? Anyhow, I tried to use mine for the first time, but I had to back out at the range. When I hooked it up to my .22 I wasn't sure if the bullet path was clear of the devise, I will be using a bore laser to make sure before I start firing. I was really tempted to just fire because visually it looked ok, but I don't think I could get a refund if I screwed up on that because the manual heavily stressed to make sure the bullet will pass the devise before firing.
     
    #15
    goodgorilla said:
    I don't know, the devise uses magnetism to detect the bullet path, I mean the bullets are made of metal right?
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    Usually. But very few metals are magnetic, and only iron is highly magnetic. If your bullets have no iron or steel in them, then the question is moot. Neither copper nor lead are magnetic.
     
    #16
    I ran my V3 version today with 5 different test loads, the unit worked perfect from setup to results to the ease of using the monitor with its functions, it works great in the sun light as well.

    Cheers
     
    #17
    [MENTION=93163]goodgorilla[/MENTION] - also, you should have a long piece of plastic that is the bore guide to be able to tell if the bayonete is alinged properly. If it is, all should be good. A bore sighter may not work - since the laser beam is smaller than the diameter of the bullet.

    Bullet stikes (ie shooting the bayo) is NOT covered by warranty, so it would not be replaced by MagnetoSpeed - so make sure you follow the directions and use the spacers and the guide to check the configuration.
     
    #20
    no, I suspect it will be a while on them, maybe end of the summer or so - other than from what I hear I don't think they will be at all interchangable with the V3, V2 or V1's - entirely different setup - based on the same technology. I think it makes sense that way their own product lines don't really compete.
     
    #21
    herofish said:
    [MENTION=93163]goodgorilla[/MENTION] - also, you should have a long piece of plastic that is the bore guide to be able to tell if the bayonete is alinged properly. If it is, all should be good. A bore sighter may not work - since the laser beam is smaller than the diameter of the bullet.

    Bullet stikes (ie shooting the bayo) is NOT covered by warranty, so it would not be replaced by MagnetoSpeed - so make sure you follow the directions and use the spacers and the guide to check the configuration.
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    I shot the bayo on my V2 because I didn't bother to pull the bolt and look through the bore. I had just removed it from the same gun and was putting it back on so I didn't think I needed to but I didn't notice that a piece of the strap had folded over. Shot the tip right off that sumbitch. $125 mistake.
     
    #23
    Anybody having a discrepancy with what the unit is saying and actual data out to 1000 yards? My data says MV should be 3060 or so and the V3 says 3160-70. Distance is ranged with a Terrapin, target is a full size IPSC at 950 yards, scope is a Kahles 6-24 with AMR reticle that passed a tall target test with ease, ballistics are with a Kestrel 4500 with Applied Ballistics, bullet is 105 Berger hybrid and 105 Hornady. Come up .4-.5 mil low using the V3 numbers. Any thoughts? I changed the chrono distance to 0 btw.
     
    #25
    varmint slayer said:
    Anybody having a discrepancy with what the unit is saying and actual data out to 1000 yards? My data says MV should be 3060 or so and the V3 says 3160-70. Distance is ranged with a Terrapin, target is a full size IPSC at 950 yards, scope is a Kahles 6-24 with AMR reticle that passed a tall target test with ease, ballistics are with a Kestrel 4500 with Applied Ballistics, bullet is 105 Berger hybrid and 105 Hornady. Come up .4-.5 mil low using the V3 numbers. Any thoughts? I changed the chrono distance to 0 btw.
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    Ballistics data only gets you close since it is based on formulas whereas the V3 is real world measured and only accuracy of the measurement is concerned. Do you have access to another chrono? I'd trust the chrono over a ballistics app on MV.
     
    #26
    BLDTYLRY said:
    Ballistics data only gets you close since it is based on formulas whereas the V3 is real world measured and only accuracy of the measurement is concerned. Do you have access to another chrono? I'd trust the chrono over a ballistics app on MV.
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    I understand that real world data overrules calculated data but in this day and age with all the technology out there it has been pretty well proven that even our calculations come very close to real world data as long as you have good data input. I've double and triple checked my data in and every factor I can control. Everything checks out as far as I can tell. If it was a BC issue my ballistics curve wouldn't match up at various ranges out to 1K and beyond. If I put in 3060-70 fps I get sold hits put to 1200 yards. I put in 3170 from the V3 and I hit low starting around 700 and progressively worse out to 1200. I don't think the ballistic calc is my issue. Not saying its not a possibility but at this point I'm saying no.
     
    #27
    hmmm - what about other cartridges - is this only a problem on one rifle/ cartridge or is it consistently off with other rifles/ cartridges you use the V3 for? If its consistently off across other rifles, I would say contact MagnetoSpeed - however it this is only for the single rifle, and all the others work out fine, I would say maybe something wrong with the setup in AB on the Kestrel...
     
    #28
    jugi16 said:
    These look awesome. However at $400 should a guy hold out for the Labradar unit due this summer?
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    The V3 is here now, and based on tested validated technology. I sell them - so keep that in mind, however

    1. There have been V1's, V2's and now the V3. Peaple know, use and trust the technology
    2. The Labradar units don't have anything available today - do you want to be one of the first to help them work out the bugs with the system?
    3. What is the price on those units? nobody knows since they aren't available yet. It may be just as high if it ever makes it to market.

    Upshot - kind of hard to compare since people can use one - but not the other...

    If you want the MagnetoSpeed technology but don't want to pay the price - get a used one. I have a couple for sale, and I am sure you can find them here on the hide since a lot of people are upgrading to the V3.
     
    #29
    herofish said:
    hmmm - what about other cartridges - is this only a problem on one rifle/ cartridge or is it consistently off with other rifles/ cartridges you use the V3 for? If its consistently off across other rifles, I would say contact MagnetoSpeed - however it this is only for the single rifle, and all the others work out fine, I would say maybe something wrong with the setup in AB on the Kestrel...
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    It's off about 50-60 on my .338 Lapua as well. I'm double and triple checking my AB setup tonight.
     
    #30
    varmint slayer said:
    It's off about 50-60 on my .338 Lapua as well. I'm double and triple checking my AB setup tonight.
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    50-60fps off compared to what? What did you double and triple check your AB setup against? Another Balistics calculator or what you inputted?

    Kestrel AB users posted issues where the input MV matched the dope better than the measured MV. Solution was to use station pressure. I'd post your questions on the thread below rather than blaming the V3 until you test the V3 against another chrono.

    Checkout the AB thread: http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...tics-kestrel;-pro-staff-support-thread-4.html

    I have two chronos. Chrony Beta Master and the V3. Prior to the V3 I tested the V2 against the Chrony and the MV was less than +/-3fps.

    Sorry for the aggressive tone but I work in technology and people think its the end all to everything. Calculated predictions are not perfect and I wish people would stop thinking they are.
     
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    BLDTYLRY said:
    Checkout the AB thread: http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...tics-kestrel;-pro-staff-support-thread-4.html

    Several Kestrel AB users posted issues where the input MV matched the dope better than the measured MV. Solution was to use station pressure. I'd post your questions on the above thread rather than blaming the V3 until you test the V3 against another chrono.

    I have two chronos. Chrony Beta Master and the V3. Prior to the V3 I tested the V2 against the Chrony and the MV was less than +/-3fps.
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    I've ran the numbers in several ballistic app (Shooter, Ballistic AE, JBM, and two separate Kestrels) and they all tell me the same thing or within .1 mil. All result in a .4 mil low impact with the measured velocity from the chrono. I'm not against the possibility of me doing something wrong but everybody I have talked to about the MV the chrono is giving and running the numbers in their calcs shows the same thing as what all my calcs with that same MV. I don't care what the issue is at this point I just want to find it.
     
    #32
    Sounds like you already know what the issues is. The V3 is accurate but for AB to be accurate you must use a MV different than what is measured for an accurate firing solution.

    Try posting your concern on the AB thread and see what they have to say.
     
    #33
    I think BLDTYLRY has a good point, you have checked the AB calcs against other systems, would be a good idea to do the same with the V3, see if you can work with a friend to test your V3 against another chrony. Before you do, I would suggest you call Ivan at MagnetoSpeed and ask the process of comparing the two chrony - since your going to get some difference between two and you want to minimize the differences where you can.

    However, that being said, I would look to the more complicated system as the potential for errors - and in this case I would suggest that is likely the Ballistics calculator in this case.
     
    #38
    Bought a V2 from a guy selling it to buy a V3. I am thrilled with the V2 for less than half the price of the V3. Used it on my GAP Harbinger, tested some XM118 '13 manufacture and it avg'd 2748 MV. Recently purchased FGMM 175 gr it was 2665 both were through 20 shot groups. Loved the ease of use. As far as the data download its all .csv so I can import it to Access with no problem.
     
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