That’s pretty mild.
Short barrel and typical slow tikka barrel probably.
Pretty similar to 284 ballistics in a longer tube.
With a 28” tube my 7 saum lobs 180s comfortably at 2950 and 190’s at 2880 and supersonic to 2000ish.
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Short barrel and typical slow tikka barrel probably.
Pretty similar to 284 ballistics in a longer tube.
With a 28” tube my 7 saum lobs 180s comfortably at 2950 and 190’s at 2880 and supersonic to 2000ish.
I like my brass to last LOL.
That said, I haven't shot that rifle, or any of my bolt guns, in about 1.5 years
time flies when you're overseas for most of it.
Most of my 7 saum brass has 15-20 loads on it.I like my brass to last LOL.
That said, I haven't shot that rifle, or any of my bolt guns, in about 1.5 years
Hopefully your at least pulling in $$$$$
My slower twist RUM barrel is 28" + porn throat and slings 220 lrht's and 225 eldm's @ 3160-3170 on the middle node. I have 1 piece of brass with 5 firings on it and pocket seems same as new (ADG). Need to shoot more... and need more 8133 and N570 
Nothing wrong with wanting a magnum, you don't have to justify your desires to anyone.
I'm just trying to figure out what exactly it is about a magnum you want. That will help narrow it down.
There's still lots of options with your loose criteria.
A 7mm would be pretty fun. A .284, or a 7SAUM. Or 6.5x284 or 6.5 SAUM - these will be bigger barrel burners, but flatter. If you hate steel and match directors, then a 6-284 shehane is a fucking laser beam. Barrel burner, and you would have to make brass for it.
At the ranges you are talking, a .30 cal doesn't offer anything that a 7mm or 6.5 can't do. If you can't resist a .30 cal, then a 300 PRC is a great choice, or if you want to burn even more powder, then a .300NM.
But I would look strongly towards a 7mm in your situation.
I’d go
- 6 CM/6.5 CM/260 for short action
- 6.5-284 or 284 for paper/steel long action
- 300 PRC or 300 NM if you plan to hunt LR
284 are very popular in 1,000 yard fclass. Very capable of what you want. Tons of components. Tons of LR information out there.
6.5-284 is a touch cheaper, less recoil but will burn a barrel quick if you don’t let it cool
300 PRC is basically the 300 WM improved. For the 212-225 gr that’s a great option
300 NM if you want the real deal in 30 cal LR shooting. Overkill imho for what you want to use it for. But the 300 PRC and NM should be considered if you have plans to hunt ever or go out to 1 mile +
- 6 CM/6.5 CM/260 for short action
- 6.5-284 or 284 for paper/steel long action
- 300 PRC or 300 NM if you plan to hunt LR
284 are very popular in 1,000 yard fclass. Very capable of what you want. Tons of components. Tons of LR information out there.
6.5-284 is a touch cheaper, less recoil but will burn a barrel quick if you don’t let it cool
300 PRC is basically the 300 WM improved. For the 212-225 gr that’s a great option
300 NM if you want the real deal in 30 cal LR shooting. Overkill imho for what you want to use it for. But the 300 PRC and NM should be considered if you have plans to hunt ever or go out to 1 mile +
Take a look at ADG brass for the 7mm rem mag. I use ADG with 184 begers, retumbo and about 3000fps.... beautiful combination.
Edited: Sorry I didn't see the other comments tell I already replied
ADG brass is excellent
I use ADG 7 saum and 338 edge brass.
I do find it odd that 300 WM, 300 PRC, 300 RUM, 300 Norma and even 300 WSM are mentioned, but there is no mention of the 30 Nosler. Maybe I’m biased, but 300 PRC requires CIP cut mag window and CIP length magazines. CIP lengths are more common now, but wasn’t a few years ago. 300 PRC is the longest 30 cal SAAMI spec round I’ve read about. The 300 Norma is an entirely different animal with the larger bolt face. Its like a baby 338 Lapua.
300 RUM is also out there but my buddy ran into mag length issues with heavier, high BC projectiles (unless my buddy throated 3 barrels incorrectly; I have no personal experience with the cartridge). He has 3 custom reamers and finally converted to 300 Norma. 300 RUM never shot excellent for him.
I will say the three 300 Norma’s Ive seen were cut from the same reamer and all shoot excellent. Very tight guns even from break in. One is even a factory Rem 700 action converted.
The 30 Nosler will drop into any 300 WM set-up (minus chambering of course). I went 30 Nosler years ago because the 300 PRC had not released. Once I read how long the cartridge was, it was too costly to convert even if I wanted to. I chose 30 Nosler over 300 WM to avoid the belted magnum brass (personally don’t care for a belted cartridge). I even have a laser 7 mag for hunting and still don't like the belted cartridge.
I’m running a 215 Berger with 80.3 gr H1000 at about 3,050-3,070 fps if I recall correctly. I’m satisfied there. Not chasing a 225 projectile or top tier velocities. I didn’t have a 30 cal magnum and chose 30 Nosler to avoid the 300 WM belted case.
300 RUM is also out there but my buddy ran into mag length issues with heavier, high BC projectiles (unless my buddy throated 3 barrels incorrectly; I have no personal experience with the cartridge). He has 3 custom reamers and finally converted to 300 Norma. 300 RUM never shot excellent for him.
I will say the three 300 Norma’s Ive seen were cut from the same reamer and all shoot excellent. Very tight guns even from break in. One is even a factory Rem 700 action converted.
The 30 Nosler will drop into any 300 WM set-up (minus chambering of course). I went 30 Nosler years ago because the 300 PRC had not released. Once I read how long the cartridge was, it was too costly to convert even if I wanted to. I chose 30 Nosler over 300 WM to avoid the belted magnum brass (personally don’t care for a belted cartridge). I even have a laser 7 mag for hunting and still don't like the belted cartridge.
I’m running a 215 Berger with 80.3 gr H1000 at about 3,050-3,070 fps if I recall correctly. I’m satisfied there. Not chasing a 225 projectile or top tier velocities. I didn’t have a 30 cal magnum and chose 30 Nosler to avoid the 300 WM belted case.
I did mention the 30 Nosler but only in passing really. There doesn’t seem to be the popular support for it like there is for the 300 WM, 300 PRC, and 300NM. It seems a lack of brass and loaded ammo from other manufacturers is kind of stifling it as the 300 PRC and 300NM steal the spotlight. Your point about fitting into existing action lengths is a good one.
Run the 300 prc with the 30 nosler freebore and it would probably fit the non cip mags and actions as well.
A lot of people would prefer the bullet placement of the 300 prc
300 rum was never designed to run the high BC bullets at mag lengths, those that do run the custom 4" mags and bottom metal.
A lot of people would prefer the bullet placement of the 300 prc
300 rum was never designed to run the high BC bullets at mag lengths, those that do run the custom 4" mags and bottom metal.
7 Rem Mag. I’m running 180 hybrids at 2950 @ 1000 DA with 71gns of H1K and no pressure. 6.7 Mils to 1k. Running 168’s @ 3050 gets you to 1k with 6.6 Mils and less recoil.
You’re not gonna be hard pressed to beat the BC’s of the heavy 7mm’s
My next build is gonna be a big 30, but I’ll be going with a 300NM Improved for that one.
You’re not gonna be hard pressed to beat the BC’s of the heavy 7mm’s
My next build is gonna be a big 30, but I’ll be going with a 300NM Improved for that one.
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The Norma has the standard magnum casehead/boltface/action, whereas the .338 or 30-.338 Lapua requires the beefier action/bolt/boltface.
1200 is far "enough" that it's not overgunning to use the Norma- and it'll easily tackle the additional distance should it become available.
Barrel life should meet expectations with average loads, seems perfect for the OP's application.
300 NM is the same bolt face as the 338 LM
I wish the 6.5 PRC gave a little more advantage in velocity to the 6.5 Creedmoor. Handloading may make it shine, but I haven’t seen velocities off hand-loaded 6.5 PRC ammo. Its a cool round. I mentioned to a buddy its like the non-magnum of magnums. He loves the 6.5 CM and specifically the 143 ELD-X, so I recommended the 6.5 PRC to him. He has never heard of it at the time. He promptly ordered one.
well if others are shooting those distances with 22lr maybe if you had to use a magnum load you could try a 22 mag ? that really does not sound like a distance to really use many other magnum loads on 338 would work but at the cost of the powder you could just shoot 308 or cheaper 223/556 or cheaper yet 22lr but what ever round you decide to go with I hope you have a great time with .
Major brain fart- thanks for correcting.
I was thinking .338 Edge (or rather, not thinking...)
All of my rifles except my M4A3 are .308 because I just love that round. But for what you want, my money is on the .300 WM. I have read the memoirs and experience of military snipers, usually Rangers, and the reason they used .300 WM 220 gr is because it is a big and fast bullet that beats the wind a little better than a .308. Ryan Cleckner, Sniper Team Leader in the 1st Ranger Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment was a tactical shooter rather than a pin point target shooter. So, with the .300 WM, he could dial his range with the elevation turret and then hold left or right edge of the target depending on wind conditions and get a center mass hit.
If you are thinking 264 WM, as many have suggested look at the 6.5 PRC, I have a 31" Bartlien 5R LH gain twist 1:8.5 to 1:7.5 throated long. Using Berger 153.5 grain LRHT's, ADG brass and 64 grains of Vihtavouri N570. I am getting 3311 fps average velocity, and .3 groups at 100 yards. In average conditions this load is mach 1.2 at 1775 yards. In my opinion the PRC brass is easier to reload without the belt of the 264 WM. The 26 Nosler is considerably hotter than the PRC and 264 WM but barrel life suffers. I thought about it and decided on the PRC and am quite happy with it.
You might get 75 rounds out 1 lbs. of powder.7mm Stw. 162 Sierra Match bullets cci250’s and H1000
260 around 150 rounds.
The most accurate cartridges I've owned were wsms.
I'd go 7wsm or 7 saum built on an xm or LA throated for 195's.
If you're set on a 30 cal go 30 Nosler throated for 225s
I'm really digging mine its a better case design than the prc, with the 35 degree shoulder brass growth is slow.
Peterson and adg both offer brass (and its available!)
I'm running Peterson and it's really good stuff
I'd go 7wsm or 7 saum built on an xm or LA throated for 195's.
If you're set on a 30 cal go 30 Nosler throated for 225s
I'm really digging mine its a better case design than the prc, with the 35 degree shoulder brass growth is slow.
Peterson and adg both offer brass (and its available!)
I'm running Peterson and it's really good stuff
It's hard to beat a good .300 Winchester Magnum. It's been doing the job successfully for almost 60 years. Plenty of power and accuracy.
+1 on ADG (Atlas Development Group) brass. I got 100 pieces on their 3rd firing. Super consistent weight/internal volume. Pricy, but when 100 pieces x10 firings will be good for the accuracy life of a 7mm RemMag barrel running hot.
What load do you use? Also, how well does the Berger 184 hybrid go out of a Bartlein 8.5 twist barrel?
I hear you. I have a wireless camera, and wireless router and power supply I am putting together to solve that issue.
Your point remains valid. Especially on varmints at ELR.
Per berger a 1:8.5 should be fine but I do not have real world experience. I run a 8T 26" Criterion and they do well.
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Thanks for posting this. I just got my first 300WSM and haven't been able to find a whole lot on the round so I really enjoyed the article. I've also been looking for recommendations on a scope so the article helped in that regard too..300 WSM.
A lot of guys are running this in 1k yard comps (just completing one myself for this).
Pending world record just a few months ago.
So much easier to spot impacts with boomers...
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300 WM. Defiance action, Proof barrel, jewel trigger, KRG chassis, NF glass, Berger 200 hybrid, Peterson brass, H4350, CCI mag primers =small groups at 1K. Go bigger than you think you want because once you start shoot 1K consistently you’ll want to go out further. Good luck on the slippery slope!
Excellent suggestion or not, the OP has repeatedly stated he wants a magnum.
How fucking hard is that to understand?
The 8 twi
Being a button rifled barrel (not hacking on the Criterion guys at all...wish Steve, Neal and crew the best) but the twist can vary in a button barrel is one thing to look at being a possibility.
I'm running a 9 twist on my 300PRC F Open gun. I've shot 225ELDM's, 230SMK and 230 ATIPs and all of them have been hammers. Gun will hold a touch over 1/4moa for vertical at a 1k.
Later, Frank
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The 8 twist shouldn't have hurt you like that. A really fast twist can amplify any issue the ammo has in terms of runout or bad bullets etc....but shooting the real heavies I don't think the 8 will take you from a 4" gun at a 1k to 2'! Something else is going on. If the loaded round has a lot of runout in it from either sizing the case improperly or from seating bullet issues....a real fast twist barrel can amplify the issue like I said.
Being a button rifled barrel (not hacking on the Criterion guys at all...wish Steve, Neal and crew the best) but the twist can vary in a button barrel is one thing to look at being a possibility.
I'm running a 9 twist on my 300PRC F Open gun. I've shot 225ELDM's, 230SMK and 230 ATIPs and all of them have been hammers. Gun will hold a touch over 1/4moa for vertical at a 1k.
Later, Frank
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Frank
Off topic and for my own learning regarding the button rifling, why is that?
Great velocity with the PRC! I went 6.5 Max and am getting similar velocity with same projectile but with a little higher charge and a little shorter barrel - ADG brass also.
Well done sir your rebuttal is hilariousWho shit in your corn flakes this morning?
And 260 has the heart of a magnum!!!!
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Seriously though it's even more hilarious when guys keep saying "Get a 260 or 6.5 creedmoor it's more efficient " every time someone talks about shooting long range with a magnum.
Also guys.. we all know the 6.5 prc has a
. 535 case head but for fuck sake!
Can we please start admitting that the PRC is to magnums what Asian pecker is to porn..
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