Magpul B.A.D. lever

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I use one on every AR I have. Not out of necessity, but if it cuts out a few steps or movements then it's definitely worth a paltry $30. It also makes reloading much quicker and removes a lot of unnecessary movement.

I'd recommend it and do so often at the range.
 
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High Power shooters have been using something similar for ages long before the BAD was popular. The HP guys didnt have one that came thru the trigger area theirs was just a straight drop down design that they could hit with thier finger when in position and ready to fire.
 
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I run the BAD on my ARs and I did try others and still own others. For the price the BAD is the best and works great. If I needed another I would go with the BAD. I think they are great but like outsy said they have been around before Magpul put their name on it. Magpul is great at getting old products noticed by puting their twist and name on it. Truth is magpul makes good stuff and like the AFG they have come out with some great products this last year or two. JMHO
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i want to put one on my 3058 but i dont know if it will fit or not. anyone? </div></div>

They won't fit on 308 receivers, if that's what you're asking.
 
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I recommend a BAD lever to all my friends that don't have one. I love mine and have one on every AR I own. Malfunctions drills are much smoother once you re-train your muscle memory. It's a steal for $30.
 
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I have had one on my AR since they came out. I had played with it for a while and liked it. I just went to a tactical carbine class last month and got to say I fell in love with it and will never go without one.
 
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Well Gents, I ordered one, it should be here soon. Thanks for the help
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone bought or used one of these?</div></div>
I bought one, installed it, ran it at a 3-day carbine course & took it off after training day 1.

For whatever reason, it would not allow my bolt to lock back to the rear 100% of the time. That's a no-go for me.
 
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Big fan of the BAD lever! Reloads are quicker and locking the bolt back without coming off fire control is very nice.
One thing to beware of is ROs that don't understand what it is or how it works and bitch that you have your finger in trigger guard while off target. Could get you stage DQ'd if you compete.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MidwestPX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The BAD definitely takes some getting used to. Once you do though, you reload faster. I've heard of folks taking over a second off their reload times. </div></div>

Doesnt do a single thing to speed up reloads if you dont shoot to slide lock.
 
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I have been running one for about a year. Takes a little time with the learning curve but I have gotten used to it and like its advantages. I have'nt really noticed any cons and have had 100% function with it so far.
 
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I use it on my precision AR. I got it after countless times of setting up, only to realize that I forgot to close the bolt. Now it is just a press of the finger without losing position.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: doorkicker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone bought or used one of these?</div></div>
I bought one, installed it, ran it at a 3-day carbine course & took it off after training day 1.

For whatever reason, it would not allow my bolt to lock back to the rear 100% of the time. That's a no-go for me. </div></div>

No shit? I just noticed this with the ONE AR that I have a BAD on.... never even thought that may be the reason it wasn't locking back all of a sudden and I was about to swap the spring and buffer. I guess that lever is STEEL and adds weight where there wasn't weight before.....hmmmm?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doesnt do a single thing to speed up reloads if you dont shoot to slide lock. </div></div>

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Plus I'm not a fan of pushing finger through trigger guard while the bolt's slamming a round home. Not a good habit, can get you DQ'd at comps at best and a ND with potential disatrous effects at worst.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doesnt do a single thing to speed up reloads if you dont shoot to slide lock. </div></div>

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Plus I'm not a fan of pushing finger through trigger guard while the bolt's slamming a round home. Not a good habit, can get you DQ'd at comps at best and a ND with potential disatrous effects at worst. </div></div>

Your finger is no closer to the trigger than when dropping a mag unless you make it so. As a matter of fact I use the pad between the first and second knuckles of my index finger to activate the bolt release.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Your finger is no closer to the trigger than when dropping a mag unless you make it so. As a matter of fact I use the pad between the first and second knuckles of my index finger to activate the bolt release. </div></div>
Dropping a mag-trigger finger out of trigger guard.
Activation BAD (and other BR extensions)-trigger finger inside trigger guard.

If the shooter's rifle is on target, you are correct.

I'm not going to waste my time arguing my point, but I will state it (as I see it) clearly-If you weapon is not on target your trigger finger should not be inside the trigger guard.
There are exceptions to every rule, but I guarantee that the majority folks buying these parts are not in a situation where the advantage will save their life under fire. Quite the contrary, the majority of shooters buying this gear are wannabe warriors that endanger everyone around them if they step away from basic safety paradigms such as "always keep your finger off the trigger unless you are on target and ready to fire". Having your finger inside the trigger guard is as dangerous to everyone around you as having it on the trigger.

If you are on a range when I am RO'ing and are transitioning between positions and I have to tell you more than once to keep your finger out of your trigger guard you leave the range.

Just my opinion, I've been wrong before.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...I'm not a fan of pushing finger through trigger guard while the bolt's slamming a round home. Not a good habit, can get you DQ'd at comps at best and a ND with potential disatrous effects at worst.</div></div>I'm in agreement with sobrbiker, while the concept of the B.A.D. is pretty cool...it stops there for me.

Here is a close-up of the B.A.D. I had on one of my guns for about 24 hours.
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1. It is WAY TOO CLOSE to the trigger when fine motor skills go out the window.

2. You won't find one on any issued M4 as a standard part, so it's counter-productive to train with one IMO if you aren't using one at work.

3. It's plastic, so if you're using one on a duty weapon...it's about as good as the Magpul back-up sights for hard use (CRAP).

4. Sometimes the bolt wont lock to the rear...I've heard this is a tolerance issue with some lowers fit...so if you do use one, test the hell outta it.

As always, just my most humble $0.02
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: doorkicker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...I'm not a fan of pushing finger through trigger guard while the bolt's slamming a round home. Not a good habit, can get you DQ'd at comps at best and a ND with potential disatrous effects at worst.</div></div>I'm in agreement with sobrbiker, while the concept of the B.A.D. is pretty cool...it stops there for me.

Here is a close-up of the B.A.D. I had on one of my guns for about 24 hours.
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1. It is WAY TOO CLOSE to the trigger when fine motor skills go out the window.

2. You won't find one on any issued M4 as a standard part, so it's counter-productive to train with one IMO if you aren't using one at work.

3. It's plastic, so if you're using one on a duty weapon...it's about as good as the Magpul back-up sights for hard use (CRAP).

4. Sometimes the bolt wont lock to the rear...I've heard this is a tolerance issue with some lowers fit...so if you do use one, test the hell outta it.

As always, just my most humble $0.02
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The BAD is made of aluminum.
 
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Doorkicker and sobrbiker make some great points. If you'll never use one downrange, there's no need to get into the habit of it back here. The most significant advantage of the BAD lever is on malfunctions where you're moving your hand off the pistol grip to manipulate the bolt catch. For me, malfunction drills are easier for me in multi-gun comps, so the BAD lever works for me. YMMV.

I'd have to disagree with sobrbiker a bit on one point though. It is possible to manipulate the BAD lever without your finger poking into the trigger guard if you're careful. While many weekend warriors may not exercise the care to do that, others can and often do. If you're used to resting your finger on the lower receiver, then bringing the index finger directly down will release the bolt, while reversing that movement and racking the charging handle will lock the bolt to the rear. When acclimating yourself to using the BAD lever, you have to train yourself to manipulate it safely. Obviously, the point of fine motor skills deteriorating under stress can absolutely hurt you here, though manipulating the bolt catch during a malfunction is a fine motor skill anyway.

Bottom line: try it out, it's only a $30 experiment. Train yourself properly and safely. But if you roll with an M4 variant in real life scenarios, keep practicing your original malfunction drills since your issue won't have the BAD lever. That's my take on the issue.
 
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Love my bad lever. Never had a problem with it other than finding one.
Only negative that I see is that I have stopped training motions that will work on any AR platform I pick up. eg slapping the bolt release. That is my fault though - Just a thought.
 
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DK and SB

Yes the lever is inside the trigger guard and if you use the technique of stabbing at the lever with the tip of your index finger, I would agree you are getting very close to bad juju.

But if you will use a sweep technique with your index finger your finger is never in the triggerguard. Take a look at DK's pic and imagine your index finger on the mag release button. Now sweep it down in an arc until it would be at a common hard index point on the magwell. This same technique also works in reverse to lock the bolt back. f

By no means is a BAD lever the end all be all of accessories. But it does offer some advantages that can be taken advantage of .

Take care
 
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Off topic...

DK, I gotta know what you have written on the inside of your dust cover.

Back on topic...

Here is a review of the prototype B.A.D. Lever:
http://www.itstactical.com/2009/08/19/magpul-bad-vs-phase-5-ebr/
It does a good job of explaining some of the finer points of the design and also addresses the last shot bolt issue.
Hint
(There is a reason that it is loose on the latch.)

Personal opinion...

I was skeptical, but I figured for $30 I'd throw one on and try it out.
Works well for me and I think it is a nice alternative to an ambi lower receiver.
My only real complaint is that it has to be removed in order to take out the hammer & trigger group.

It needs to be said that this is a "trick" piece of kit like other parts on competition rigs.
Obviously not something that should replace the traditional manual of arms, but at least it does not preclude you from utilizing it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DK and SB

Yes the lever is inside the trigger guard and if you use the technique of stabbing at the lever with the tip of your index finger, I would agree you are getting very close to bad juju.

But if you will use a sweep technique with your index finger your finger is never in the triggerguard. Take a look at DK's pic and imagine your index finger on the mag release button. Now sweep it down in an arc until it would be at a common hard index point on the magwell. This same technique also works in reverse to lock the bolt back. f

By no means is a BAD lever the end all be all of accessories. But it does offer some advantages that can be taken advantage of .

Take care </div></div>

You explained the sweep method so much better than I did. That's what I was trying to describe.
 
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Here is the Tactical Link one. It sits higher above the trigger finger, but still in easy reach. The only thing I don't like about it is on the left side along the "arm" of it it has "Tactical Link" in white letters. I'm partial to keeping all my rifles black, but other than that it's real nice!

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Been using a BAD here in Afghanistan on my M4 for several months now. I use it in conjunction with a Blue Force Gear Redi Mod. I like it. Emergency/speed reloads are faster, so is malfunction clearance on those malfunctions where the bolt is locked back as part of the clearance process (ie double feeds).
As for those arguing about whether or not it's a safety hazard. I can release the bolt without ever putting my finger inside the trigger guard by sweeping down rather than pushing in. I'm quite certain the Travis Haley and Chris Costa would not have been involved with the development of an inherently unsafe product, let alone used them, or given out prototypes in their classes.
Just my 2 cents worth.
 
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I tried my best to like it, but it wasn't for me.

1. In LE, if my carbine jams, I'm switching to my handgun. It is much faster than to try to clear a malfunction.
2. I didn't want to learn a whole new manual of arms.
3. When indexing my finger, it would sit right on the BAD Lever. I just don't like having anything in the trigger guard other than the trigger.
4. While I never had any problems with the bolt not locking back, I didn't want to chance it.

In the end, it is a preferance thing and I just don't need it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i want to put one on my 3058 but i dont know if it will fit or not. anyone? </div></div>

Phase 5 tactical makes one for the 308 lower. Put one on my new P-308.
 
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I have not tried one but here is my opinion on the subject anyway.

I tend to agree with Doorkicker. I read/saw something about an AR shooter that was left handed but shot and trained with right handed AR's WITHOUT any ambi controls. His reason was to be able to pick up ANY AR and run it, not just his.

Again, I just got my first AR at the beginning of this year, dont intend to step on any toes here. My set up is basic M4 style.

Just my .02
 
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Jumping into this a little late but really want to toss in my 2 cents...

I agree with DK and SBiker. On the surface the BAD looks all high speed but under stress I don't want people going near the trigger when they are clearing malfunctions, reloading etc... There are the 10% of shooters who are more than able to handle the stress and not mess with the trigger during the reload or malfunction but you will find that the 10% don't feel a need to add another gizmo just to shave a second off the reload.

If we are talking strictly comp shooting then I can see the value but if my carbine goes down and I am with in pistol range I am transitioning to my pistol and looking for cover. Out side of pistol range I am running like raped ape to some good hard cover and working the reload or malfunction on the way.
 
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I may be using mine wrong, but when I operate mine my finger isn't anywhere near the trigger or inside the trigger guard. I keep my finger straight and operate it on an up/down motion. I never break the plane of the trigger guard so it would be near impossible to hit the trigger on accident.