What's your take on them? They sound like a good idea so I bought one and just mounted it up on my new OBR. I haven't had the chance to run it yet but will hopefully get to hit the range tomorrow.
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MAGPUL B.A.D. Levers?
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If you shoot right handed they are a huge improvement. The ability to lock back and release the bolt with your trigger finger is a huge plus. I shoot left handed and can do both of those functions except without the lever.
If you shoot right handed they are a huge improvement. The ability to lock back and release the bolt with your trigger finger is a huge plus. I shoot left handed and can do both of those functions except without the lever.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whiskeytangofox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you shoot right handed they are a huge improvement. The ability to lock back and release the bolt with your trigger finger is a huge plus. I shoot left handed and can do both of those functions except without the lever. </div></div>
Yeah. I'm a righty. I was thinking the same thing. Thanks.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whiskeytangofox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you shoot right handed they are a huge improvement. The ability to lock back and release the bolt with your trigger finger is a huge plus. I shoot left handed and can do both of those functions except without the lever. </div></div>
Yeah. I'm a righty. I was thinking the same thing. Thanks.
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I've got a BAD on my AR and I like it a lot. Here's the only issue: if you use an AR for work (LEO or mil), then it may be counterproductive to create muscle memory for a setup other than your issue weapon. If you can put a BAD on your issue weapon, then use it all you want. It can significantly enhance your rifle manipulation for malfunction drills once you re-train yourself to use the BAD.
I've got a BAD on my AR and I like it a lot. Here's the only issue: if you use an AR for work (LEO or mil), then it may be counterproductive to create muscle memory for a setup other than your issue weapon. If you can put a BAD on your issue weapon, then use it all you want. It can significantly enhance your rifle manipulation for malfunction drills once you re-train yourself to use the BAD.
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I run it on both my AR 15 and AR 10 MA-TEN and they run great especially for 3 Gun. You can also go with the Mega Arms M0510 billet lower with Ambi bolt catch which puts eliminates the add on part and may be more compatible for duty work. They are nice I have sold a few and have one in the safe for my next persoanl build
I run it on both my AR 15 and AR 10 MA-TEN and they run great especially for 3 Gun. You can also go with the Mega Arms M0510 billet lower with Ambi bolt catch which puts eliminates the add on part and may be more compatible for duty work. They are nice I have sold a few and have one in the safe for my next persoanl build
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I run them on ALL of my AR's. Once trained, it really saves steps and time. After 25 years of running AR platforms, I transitioned to the BAD lever very easily. Now, when I pick up an AR without one, they feel awkward. The great thing about the BAD lever, is that all of the steps used with a traditional bolt catch will work, until you have trained yourself to use the BAD lever. However, the reverse is not so. Once you have accustomed yourself to the BAD lever, it is immediately apparent when they are missing.
Left handed shooters don't benefit from the BAD lever as much as right handed shooters do, simply because of the way it is designed.
I just wish someone would come up with a robust, viable, ambi charging handle. I have two of my staff members that are left handed shooters...
I run them on ALL of my AR's. Once trained, it really saves steps and time. After 25 years of running AR platforms, I transitioned to the BAD lever very easily. Now, when I pick up an AR without one, they feel awkward. The great thing about the BAD lever, is that all of the steps used with a traditional bolt catch will work, until you have trained yourself to use the BAD lever. However, the reverse is not so. Once you have accustomed yourself to the BAD lever, it is immediately apparent when they are missing.
Left handed shooters don't benefit from the BAD lever as much as right handed shooters do, simply because of the way it is designed.
I just wish someone would come up with a robust, viable, ambi charging handle. I have two of my staff members that are left handed shooters...
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i had a problem with my BAD lever sliding around even thought i had it tightened up pretty tight.
it was handy, but i took it off because i didnt want to get used to a rifle having the feature and then picking up one that doesnt.
after puitting on a lot of accessories, i always end up taking must everything off. i guess i like my AR's simple.
i had a problem with my BAD lever sliding around even thought i had it tightened up pretty tight.
it was handy, but i took it off because i didnt want to get used to a rifle having the feature and then picking up one that doesnt.
after puitting on a lot of accessories, i always end up taking must everything off. i guess i like my AR's simple.
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I love my BAD levers. Aside from waht has already been stated they make weapons manipulation from prone much easier. It allows you to drop the bolt with your trigger finger and hold it open with out having to reach around the rifle.
Very nice.
I love my BAD levers. Aside from waht has already been stated they make weapons manipulation from prone much easier. It allows you to drop the bolt with your trigger finger and hold it open with out having to reach around the rifle.
Very nice.
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I consider them mandatory for any AR I own, and highly recommend them to everyone who asks me about them at the range.
I consider them mandatory for any AR I own, and highly recommend them to everyone who asks me about them at the range.
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I bought one for my Ar, but I was unable to install it. I have a heavy/thick upper reciever, and the BAD wont fit in the space alotted on the upper. (for anyone with similar rifle considering a BAD)
I bought one for my Ar, but I was unable to install it. I have a heavy/thick upper reciever, and the BAD wont fit in the space alotted on the upper. (for anyone with similar rifle considering a BAD)
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Here is the alternative I found while searching http://www.phase5tactical.com/products/ar15-m16/ebrv2-
Here is the alternative I found while searching http://www.phase5tactical.com/products/ar15-m16/ebrv2-
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blackblue</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is the alternative I found while searching http://www.phase5tactical.com/products/ar15-m16/ebrv2- </div></div>
Holy Shit!!! anybody want to buy my NIB BAD? Ima get one of these dick's!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blackblue</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is the alternative I found while searching http://www.phase5tactical.com/products/ar15-m16/ebrv2- </div></div>
Holy Shit!!! anybody want to buy my NIB BAD? Ima get one of these dick's!
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I have been running a BAD lever for about a year and to be honest I can't remember what life was like before I started using it other than harder . For running and gunning and shooting from the prone it makes life a lot easier . When it comes to doing Malf. drills it makes everything a one handed affair . There are other outfits making similar items but as long as the premise is the same I would say that they are a great addition . The Only time I could see them being a drawback is if you were wearing heavy gloves they may get hung up on the lever .
I have been running a BAD lever for about a year and to be honest I can't remember what life was like before I started using it other than harder . For running and gunning and shooting from the prone it makes life a lot easier . When it comes to doing Malf. drills it makes everything a one handed affair . There are other outfits making similar items but as long as the premise is the same I would say that they are a great addition . The Only time I could see them being a drawback is if you were wearing heavy gloves they may get hung up on the lever .
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I had a B.A.D. lever on my AR and removed it. It worked really well at home, but not in actual use. When I was rushed or doing exercises, I accidentally released the bolt before I wanted to enough times that I found it counterproductive. With practice someone can reload just as fast without one. Something to remember is that when you are nervous in "fight or flight" response, you lose a lot of fine muscle movements, the B.A.D. lever is just too fine of a movement for me. Plus, it comes down to muscle memory, and if you train yourself different, you won't be able to pick up someone else's AR and perform.
I had a B.A.D. lever on my AR and removed it. It worked really well at home, but not in actual use. When I was rushed or doing exercises, I accidentally released the bolt before I wanted to enough times that I found it counterproductive. With practice someone can reload just as fast without one. Something to remember is that when you are nervous in "fight or flight" response, you lose a lot of fine muscle movements, the B.A.D. lever is just too fine of a movement for me. Plus, it comes down to muscle memory, and if you train yourself different, you won't be able to pick up someone else's AR and perform.
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I have a custom one off Phase Five Tactical EBR v2 to fit my KAC ambi mag release. And I absolutely love it. I am right handed but I shoot rifles left handed. If I need to lock the bolt back I can just run my finger stright like you normally would in a safe manner and just push it tight up againt the reciever for the lock back. And when I put in a new mag I just let my thumb graze the finger that protudes out the trigger guard and that will drop the bolt for me. Very smooth and useful for us leftys and I can't reccomend PFT enough as they have top notch customer service.
Mark
I have a custom one off Phase Five Tactical EBR v2 to fit my KAC ambi mag release. And I absolutely love it. I am right handed but I shoot rifles left handed. If I need to lock the bolt back I can just run my finger stright like you normally would in a safe manner and just push it tight up againt the reciever for the lock back. And when I put in a new mag I just let my thumb graze the finger that protudes out the trigger guard and that will drop the bolt for me. Very smooth and useful for us leftys and I can't reccomend PFT enough as they have top notch customer service.
Mark
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I like the idea but dislike the fact that if, and when I need to use my buddies rifle I am now unfamiliar with the platform again because I have trained muscle memory with a BAD lever. I have also read a few accounts of them causing malfunctions or at least being blamed for them during some training courses, but you know how the internet is... For me it came down to muscle memory and the fact that people have been operating the AR platform just fine without them for a very long time.
I like the idea but dislike the fact that if, and when I need to use my buddies rifle I am now unfamiliar with the platform again because I have trained muscle memory with a BAD lever. I have also read a few accounts of them causing malfunctions or at least being blamed for them during some training courses, but you know how the internet is... For me it came down to muscle memory and the fact that people have been operating the AR platform just fine without them for a very long time.
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You are a badass if you have a BAD lever!
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You are a badass if you have a BAD lever!
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I run BAD levers on almost all of my AR's and the one thing is make sure you use extra loctite. I used just what already comes on it and I had one loosen up at a demo and luckily I was able to rip it off because it caused me not to be able to lock the bolt to the rear.
I add a generous amount of blue to all the ones I put on now and after thousands of rounds none of my others have loosened up. Great piece of kit in my opinion.
I run BAD levers on almost all of my AR's and the one thing is make sure you use extra loctite. I used just what already comes on it and I had one loosen up at a demo and luckily I was able to rip it off because it caused me not to be able to lock the bolt to the rear.
I add a generous amount of blue to all the ones I put on now and after thousands of rounds none of my others have loosened up. Great piece of kit in my opinion.
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I cant imagine my AR's without them now. They are easy to learn and probably the best improvement to cost ratio for the AR platform that I can think of.
I cant imagine my AR's without them now. They are easy to learn and probably the best improvement to cost ratio for the AR platform that I can think of.
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Have one... took it out to the range and while great in theory and I am sure practice, I was unable to utilize it for its intended function. My rifle is a LWRC M6A3 and it just wouldn't fit right. It locked my bolt back after every shot fired because of the way it fits on the upper. I will probably end up giving it to one of the guys I see on the range on a regular basis since it just won't work with my weapon.
Have one... took it out to the range and while great in theory and I am sure practice, I was unable to utilize it for its intended function. My rifle is a LWRC M6A3 and it just wouldn't fit right. It locked my bolt back after every shot fired because of the way it fits on the upper. I will probably end up giving it to one of the guys I see on the range on a regular basis since it just won't work with my weapon.
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I like the concept, and really thought I would dig the lever. Not so much for me. It fit my rifle fine, no issues there, I just didn't find it enough of an improvement to retrain myself to it. In fairness I did run it for a while, and gave it an honest trial, I just didn't fall in love with it.
Perhaps I would see more merit if either of my ARs malfunctioned, ever, other than when I induce them for training. As for a standard combat reload, I don't find the extra fraction of a second worth the added complexity and required retraining. Hell even for malfunction clearing I didn't find it that much faster...
I like the concept, and really thought I would dig the lever. Not so much for me. It fit my rifle fine, no issues there, I just didn't find it enough of an improvement to retrain myself to it. In fairness I did run it for a while, and gave it an honest trial, I just didn't fall in love with it.
Perhaps I would see more merit if either of my ARs malfunctioned, ever, other than when I induce them for training. As for a standard combat reload, I don't find the extra fraction of a second worth the added complexity and required retraining. Hell even for malfunction clearing I didn't find it that much faster...
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I run the Phase 5 lever and prefer it over the BAD lever because it is one piece. The BAD lever fits over your existing bolt release and as others above have mentioned it can come loose.
I run the Phase 5 lever and prefer it over the BAD lever because it is one piece. The BAD lever fits over your existing bolt release and as others above have mentioned it can come loose.
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its not that my bad lever would come loose...its that it would never tighten enough to not move and slide around on the factory release.
when it came time to take it off, the bolt just stripped out because i used lock-tight on it. it was as tight as i could get it without stripping it out but that was still not tight enough to keep it from moving.
had to drill the head off the bolt to remove it.
its not that my bad lever would come loose...its that it would never tighten enough to not move and slide around on the factory release.
when it came time to take it off, the bolt just stripped out because i used lock-tight on it. it was as tight as i could get it without stripping it out but that was still not tight enough to keep it from moving.
had to drill the head off the bolt to remove it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sumpter Steve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's your take on them? They sound like a good idea so I bought one and just mounted it up on my new POF. I haven't had the chance to run it yet but will hopefully get to hit the range tomorrow. </div></div>
In addition to the ambi bolt release?
Call me old school, but I'm not a fan of using my trigger finger inside the trigger guard for pretty much anything other than pulling the trigger.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sumpter Steve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's your take on them? They sound like a good idea so I bought one and just mounted it up on my new POF. I haven't had the chance to run it yet but will hopefully get to hit the range tomorrow. </div></div>
In addition to the ambi bolt release?
Call me old school, but I'm not a fan of using my trigger finger inside the trigger guard for pretty much anything other than pulling the trigger.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sumpter Steve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's your take on them? They sound like a good idea so I bought one and just mounted it up on my new POF. I haven't had the chance to run it yet but will hopefully get to hit the range tomorrow. </div></div>
In addition to the ambi bolt release?
Call me old school, but I'm not a fan of using my trigger finger inside the trigger guard for pretty much anything other than pulling the trigger. </div></div>
Its not puting your finger inside the trigger guard but near it. I have a seekins lower with the ambi release so I don't need one anymore and after using both I would always pick the ambi lowers over the BAD lever. POF and Seekins are building some bad ass lowers these days!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sumpter Steve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's your take on them? They sound like a good idea so I bought one and just mounted it up on my new POF. I haven't had the chance to run it yet but will hopefully get to hit the range tomorrow. </div></div>
In addition to the ambi bolt release?
Call me old school, but I'm not a fan of using my trigger finger inside the trigger guard for pretty much anything other than pulling the trigger. </div></div>
Its not puting your finger inside the trigger guard but near it. I have a seekins lower with the ambi release so I don't need one anymore and after using both I would always pick the ambi lowers over the BAD lever. POF and Seekins are building some bad ass lowers these days!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sumpter Steve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's your take on them? They sound like a good idea so I bought one and just mounted it up on my new POF. I haven't had the chance to run it yet but will hopefully get to hit the range tomorrow. </div></div>
In addition to the ambi bolt release?
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No. I meant to say my OBR.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sumpter Steve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's your take on them? They sound like a good idea so I bought one and just mounted it up on my new POF. I haven't had the chance to run it yet but will hopefully get to hit the range tomorrow. </div></div>
In addition to the ambi bolt release?
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No. I meant to say my OBR.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AJBello</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the concept, and really thought I would dig the lever. Not so much for me. It fit my rifle fine, no issues there, I just didn't find it enough of an improvement to retrain myself to it. In fairness I did run it for a while, and gave it an honest trial, I just didn't fall in love with it.
Perhaps I would see more merit if either of my ARs malfunctioned, ever, other than when I induce them for training. As for a standard combat reload, I don't find the extra fraction of a second worth the added complexity and required retraining. Hell even for malfunction clearing I didn't find it that much faster... </div></div>
Now I want to say up front I have never used one and have absolutely no experience with them other than to fondle them a bit but while concidering them for myself I think this is exactly how I would feel about them after use. Not trying to be a smart ass here, just looking to learn and I know there are a lot of you guys that are much more experinced and knowledgeable about these things and like them a lot. But, dont you always have to release with the left hand anyway to insert the mag and its just a very quick swipe of the release and you're back in business, never even have to have your brain think anything about your right hand except pulling the trigger. Just seems like the original method is much simpler. In my mind , the fraction of amount of time (if any) you would save is almost not even measurable (and probably for a person with hand problems like I have wouldn't even exist but I realize thats just me). I'm like AJ, I see the concept but once again, it looks like an answer in search of a problem. Am I way off?
okie
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AJBello</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the concept, and really thought I would dig the lever. Not so much for me. It fit my rifle fine, no issues there, I just didn't find it enough of an improvement to retrain myself to it. In fairness I did run it for a while, and gave it an honest trial, I just didn't fall in love with it.
Perhaps I would see more merit if either of my ARs malfunctioned, ever, other than when I induce them for training. As for a standard combat reload, I don't find the extra fraction of a second worth the added complexity and required retraining. Hell even for malfunction clearing I didn't find it that much faster... </div></div>
Now I want to say up front I have never used one and have absolutely no experience with them other than to fondle them a bit but while concidering them for myself I think this is exactly how I would feel about them after use. Not trying to be a smart ass here, just looking to learn and I know there are a lot of you guys that are much more experinced and knowledgeable about these things and like them a lot. But, dont you always have to release with the left hand anyway to insert the mag and its just a very quick swipe of the release and you're back in business, never even have to have your brain think anything about your right hand except pulling the trigger. Just seems like the original method is much simpler. In my mind , the fraction of amount of time (if any) you would save is almost not even measurable (and probably for a person with hand problems like I have wouldn't even exist but I realize thats just me). I'm like AJ, I see the concept but once again, it looks like an answer in search of a problem. Am I way off?
okie
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i love mine and have never had any issues even when shooting with gloves. I def would have no prob running my gun without one but it does make life a little bit easier.
i love mine and have never had any issues even when shooting with gloves. I def would have no prob running my gun without one but it does make life a little bit easier.
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I run BADs on all of my personal ARs. I have found that they're a fantastic tool for the way that I run my rifles.
The rifle in my squad car is a bone-stock Colt M4 with a clamp-on light. This is not by my choosing-it's issued. The lack of BAD lever is annoying, but it's nothing that causes complications. If you have the skill set established for proper weapon manipulation, you will not have "muscle memory" complications. It all comes down to preference, and the BAD certainly isn't for everyone.
With all that said, I do have stubby fingers. My little brother is 6'2" 275lbs and has bear paws for hands. His fingers are so large and long that he does have some difficulties with inadvertently hitting the BAD lever. For people with regular and smaller hands, this is a training issue. For people with larger hands, this is somewhat of a physiological issue from what I've noticed.
I run BADs on all of my personal ARs. I have found that they're a fantastic tool for the way that I run my rifles.
The rifle in my squad car is a bone-stock Colt M4 with a clamp-on light. This is not by my choosing-it's issued. The lack of BAD lever is annoying, but it's nothing that causes complications. If you have the skill set established for proper weapon manipulation, you will not have "muscle memory" complications. It all comes down to preference, and the BAD certainly isn't for everyone.
With all that said, I do have stubby fingers. My little brother is 6'2" 275lbs and has bear paws for hands. His fingers are so large and long that he does have some difficulties with inadvertently hitting the BAD lever. For people with regular and smaller hands, this is a training issue. For people with larger hands, this is somewhat of a physiological issue from what I've noticed.
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All I can say on this is about the video and all I can say is wow, that was funny as hell.
All I can say on this is about the video and all I can say is wow, that was funny as hell.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PsyWarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All I can say on this is about the video and all I can say is wow, that was funny as hell. </div></div>
I am still trying to figure out how I missed the video the first time I read this thread. That is great stuff right there. 8 year payment plan
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PsyWarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All I can say on this is about the video and all I can say is wow, that was funny as hell. </div></div>
I am still trying to figure out how I missed the video the first time I read this thread. That is great stuff right there. 8 year payment plan
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video didnt load up my first time thru. thats a laugh riot
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video didnt load up my first time thru. thats a laugh riot
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