Suppressors Major Malfunction's Munitions no individual sales?

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I emailed Byron about purchasing a few suppressors now that I have set up a trust, but got this in reply

"We have had to discontinue individual sales, but we work with hundreds of excellent dealers nationwide. Please visit www.silencerforum.com to see a list of dealers by state at the bottom of the forum page."

I could not find any news of this anywhere. I'm really surprised by this to say the least. So now that one of the best dealers around doesn't sell to individuals anymore what companies should I look at for sales?
 
#5
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That would mean I'd have to pay MSRP +10%. My local dealer has reasonable transfer fees, but marks up retail stuff.
 
#7
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Here is the list I sent.

AAC Element
Silencerco Sparrow
Surefire 22A or 22S
AAC Ti-rant .45
AAC M4-2000
Surefire FA556-212 tan
AAC Mini8

I know some of these aren't quite out yet, but was hoping I could pre order.
 
#8
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and if I were you, I'd find another dealer... if you prepay through me, all you'll pay is cost + a transfer fee... just like if YOU ordered it and had it shipped to me... how he can justify marking it up, AND charging a 10% transfer is beyond me
 
#9
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I am picking up where Bryon is leaving off (trying anyway). My prices are a bit lower than his were as of last year.

Bryon is SUPER busy with dealers and it is easy for him to submit Form 3s for large dealers rather than individual orders. He is for sure the most successful suppressor dealer ever. When you start dealing in several million dollars worth of suppressors...damn!!!
 
#10
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I guess I don't understand the point. Why use a middle man when you can go straight to manufacturers? Maybe M3 can get lower prices due to larger orders, but then he has to make money, so he'll have to mark them up to sell to other dealers. Are the dealers really coming out better off vs direct?

I'm just speculating, of course. I could be way off.
 
#11
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When this happens the dealers end up having to go through a middle man and it makes it harder for the smaller companies and they end up getting screwed.
They end up having to go through a middle man, because the maker wants to fill the wholesale order and let him deal with the smaller order. By the time the wholesale guy gets it and sells it to your dealer your dealer has a hard time making a profit without marking things up. I know of two dealers this has happened too already.

They cannot keep the prices as low as they would like and can not compete with larger companies prices because they are not longer aloud to buy from the maker any longer even though they have for many years.

Then the larger companies charge more because they know you can not go else where and find it cheaper. This happens in a lot of business not just suppressors.

So thanks to all you Class 3 here that do group buys and pass along good deals and save a fellow shooter a few dollars it helps many who might not be able to swing it otherwise.
 
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If he is doing that much business I would guess he is acting like a distributor. He gets an even better deal so his pricing could stay the same or close and there could possibly be less wait time getting because he is maintaining such an large amount invortory.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess I don't understand the point. Why use a middle man when you can go straight to manufacturers? Maybe M3 can get lower prices due to larger orders, but then he has to make money, so he'll have to mark them up to sell to other dealers. Are the dealers really coming out better off vs direct?

I'm just speculating, of course. I could be way off. </div></div>

You dont have to mark anything up drastically when you are order one model can by the pallet... Bryon was doing such high volume and being so successful at it the manufacturers asked him to be a stocking dealer for other smaller businesses supply.

He is a good dude, I placed my first initial order with him about 5 years ago.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Asmig</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is the list I sent.

AAC Element
Silencerco Sparrow
Surefire 22A or 22S
AAC Ti-rant .45
AAC M4-2000
Surefire FA556-212 tan
AAC Mini8

I know some of these aren't quite out yet, but was hoping I could pre order. </div></div>

Since you're in Ohio.... Vances in Columbus will do transfers. It's $75 / transfer with this little catch. If you transfer 3 cans at the same time, the total is still $75 for all 3. If you can find a dealer with multiple cans in stock and go through Vances, it will save you some money. One word of caution, throughly check <span style="font-weight: bold">EVERYTHING</span> that Shawn does for you. I found multiple issues on both occasions that I used him.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess I don't understand the point. Why use a middle man when you can go straight to manufacturers? Maybe M3 can get lower prices due to larger orders, but then he has to make money, so he'll have to mark them up to sell to other dealers. Are the dealers really coming out better off vs direct?

I'm just speculating, of course. I could be way off. </div></div>

I know when I went through Bryon, He was quoting me prices lower than my dealer could even get them direct from the Mfg.
That's why dealers went through him to. It was a win/win for everyone.
Dealer gets it from Bryon cheaper than they could get a small or single order from the factory. In turn, the dealer can either sell for less or the same as everyone else and maximize their profit while still offering a customer the price he's looking for.
 
#16
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That's the problem, though. Now those "lower than my dealer could even get" prices are gone for the end consumer, leaving us to pay higher prices, because it gets marked up along the way.
 
#17
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Its called protecting the dealers.

If everyone could buy directly from the manufacturer at the same cost or less than a dealer it would drive the dealers out of business. If there are no dealers, manufactures have now devalued there product from limited availability, and now have to deal with the public on all individual sales. Cost go up and profits go down.

Now the manufacturer has to charge more than the end dealer because they have to create a full time business and staff (in every state for NFA) and in the long run the consumer pays more. Simple economics and business structure.
 
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My first can was purchased from Bryon, yes he is a great guy and an assett to our community. And I would ask you respect his decision.

Second, Scott is also GREAT to deal with! He took care of my order just a couple of weeks ago and I could not be happier.

I think Scott will be just fine filling the void left by Bryon.

Thanks to both Bryon and Scott.............

Chet
 
#19
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Dealers need to make a profit stocking dealers must make more to pay for sitting on items that they sell. I am happy to pay a fair price and expect that them making a profit will ensure they are they to help me when I need something else or service. If it sounds so rich to anyone they can always get an FFL and become a SOT and stock up and get rich. I doubt anyone doing legitimate deals is making an unfair margin or they wouldnt be selling anything. JMHO. PG
 
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Most items are sold with dealer margins that assume the dealer is not charging a transfer fee unless otherwised specified (AKA some special price structure).

If your dealer wants to rip you off charging transfer fees on top of an MSRP, find a dealer who doesn't.



 
#22
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This is probably a good thing. I've bought several cans through Bryon, but I have some gripes that are probably solely due to too much volume of phone calls from customers.

There's just too much for him to support directly, and therefore his support was falling off.

Maybe it's not exciting to add more middle men, but if a local dealer is easier to work with to get it done, then that's better for everyone.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Asmig</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, would be transferred to my dealer in Ohio. </div></div>

call this guy, he is a OH dealer that works with MGR and sells LOW... REAL low...
Dale Royster
[email protected]
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=665666364

u can tell him
Russ ring referred you
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's the problem, though. Now those "lower than my dealer could even get" prices are gone for the end consumer, leaving us to pay higher prices, because it gets marked up along the way. </div></div>

Nonsense - you just need to work a little hard to find it. Bryon was never the least expensive dealer, he was just the well known. At least one dealer has already chimed in this thread about his pricing.
 
#26
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Prices' Firearms in SC was a LOT cheaper on Surefire and better on AAC
Allen Arms in SC was better on AAC (didn't check Surefire)
Scott - Silenced America has great prices (Surefire, etc).
 
#27
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Usually I say support your local gun shop, but the guy who charges MSRP and a "paperwork fee" is either offering stellar customer service or he is the only game in town. That's the way it is where I live. One SOT in town nearest one is about a hour away, he can charge full MSRP on the 2 brands that he carries, and he will not touch any other NFA items period.

There is a new gun store coming to town that is going to have suppressors in stock and be willing to take customers to their range to demo items before they buy them. I can't wait till they open.
 
#29
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I live in a small town of about 15000 people. I have 2 class 3 dealers in my small town. I can't even count the number of dealers within a hour drive from me. I love GA.AAC home office is about 20 miles from my house also.

Mike
 
#31
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The days of the "dinosaur" dealer are over. The guys who took advantage of their position of being the only guy around are now dying a slow death. I got into the business because my local guy was charging MSRP +$100 for paperwork with an in-stock item. It pissed me off so rather than bitch about it, I did something about it.

I have been bleesed in this business. I have loyal customers who I am thankful for and I am truly passionate about the suppressor industry. There are a good number of other folks just like me who have paved the way for guys like me. Bryon is one of them. Renegade has been around for a long time as well. There are a lot of us like-minded folks. Before I took on the role at the American Silencer Association, I was writing letters, making endless calls to congresspeople, and doing what I could to make things easier for everyone. I still do the same thing, but now have the backing of an organization.

I see it like this: the more people that have the opportunity to own a suppressor, the better. The industry is growing and I hope that every gun owner chooses to own a can.

Anyway, there are good dealers in every state. There are guys who really take good care of their customers and truly care. Silencer Shop in Austin is my competition, but I have heard nothing but GREAT things about him and I appreciate folks like them being in the business so I see us as more as two guys with the same goals.
 
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