Mammoth Sniper challenge 2 AAR: very late edition

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This is a very overdue AAR for the Mammoth Sniper Challenge II that took place at Fort Chaffee in April of 2024. It's very late because life got very busy, but you get what you pay for. I'm posting here to encourage others to get out and shoot cool matches, and to try to provide some useful tips for the first timers.

Going in somewhat blind is a major part of what makes Mammoth special, so I will be intentionally vague about certain things like stage design.

Just so you know what my perspective is, I have a background in USPSA and 3-gun, but I'm pretty inexperienced when it comes to precision shooting. I shot my first ever PRS match in preparation for Mammoth, which highlighted how totally different the two are. I shot Mammoth twice before this, but 6 and 7 years ago respectively so the match had evolved a bit since then. My teammate and I have finished in the top 10 all three times that we've done it.

We'll start off with gear. There are plenty of good gear lists out there so I won't be exhaustive, but more hit on what I feel are the most important parts (besides wet wipes and socks).

Guns:

Primary shooter (me): 6mm Creedmoor
-Terminus Zeus
-Bartlein 22" barrel
-Manners LRH stock
-Nightforce ATACR 5-25, Mil-XT
-Norma 107gr BTHP
-Sidearm: Glock 19 with RMR and PMM comp, in a Safariland ALS. Federal Syntech PCC ammo

Secondary shooter used a PRS-style .223 bolt action. MDT ACC chassis, Razor gen III 6-36, and used 80gr handloads. This thing sucked to carry but was a dream to shoot.

This was my first time as primary shooter, in the past I had used a AR-10 in .308 and a .223 bolt gun as a secondary shooter. Upgrading to the 6mm was a welcome change, it performed great out to the 1150 yard maximum in the match. My rifle is kind of an awkward middle ground, in that it's too heavy to be proper hunting gun and too light to be a proper match gun. But it performed great for this match, carried well and shot even better. The Terminus action is fantastic and performed extremely well under some rough conditions. The ATACR 5-25 is my favorite scope I've ever owned, it's big and heavy but I will happily bear it for the performance. I wish this stock folded and came with a longer ARCA rail, but other than that it performed well. Pistol shooting is overlooked by some people at this match, but the pistol shots required are very challenging. Get comfortable with long shots on small targets, and practice your strong hand only/ weak hand only. IIRC all of the pistol shooting was Virginia count, so you gotta make every single one count. Lots of teams did great with their rifles but placed poorly due to dropping tons of pistol points.

Target detection and identification is a major part of this match, so good observation tools are just as important as a good rifle. You see a lot of the more professional teams (taxpayer-funded) using full-house spotting scope setups, with slaved LRFs and such. My team was a bit low budget for that, so for observation we ended up using:
-Sig Kilo10K RF binoculars (old gen)
-Sig Zulu 6 18x stabilized binos
-Vortex Razor HD 4000 LRF (as a backup)
I was skeptical of bringing the Zulu binos due to the aded weight, but they ended up being extremely useful for both target detection and spotting. There is always only one team member shooting at a time, so spotting for your teammate is pretty much mandatory. Targets are typically setup at the top of berms or in front of dense greenery so seeing any splash in the event of a miss is a rare luxury, and some targets are setup in difficult loophole type situations that are hard to see with just a riflescope. The stabilized Zulus gave us tripod-like stability and enough magnification to locate targets and see trace, but were much faster/ more flexible than a tripod/ spotting scope setup would have been. You're often forced to shoot from awkward and cramped positions, so being able to just raise a pair of binos was way faster than jockeying a tripod setup would have been. You can also just hand or toss the binos to each other when trading roles, which saved a good deal of time.
One thing that had changed a lot since I had last shot Mammoth was the difficulty of ranging targets. The match was sponsored by Vortex and heavily featured their new weapon mounted rangefinder, so this may have been done intentionally as part of that marketing campaign. Targets were often staged with foreground obstacles or through loopholes so that only a LRF with very narrow beam divergence would give you the correct range. For an example, think of a loopholed wall at 600m, and a target visible through the wall at 725m. Many LRFs would repeatedly return a range of 600m, since the beam divergence is bigger than the loophole. Trying to get a range through thick brush or grass in the foreground was also common. The Vortex LRF performs great under normal circumstances, but struggled with loopholes and with small targets. The Kilo10k sucks as binoculars, but is a fantastic rangefinder. The narrow beam divergence and fine reticle were great at picking out small and dull-colored targets, and did great at ignoring foreground distractions. The only gripe I have about the Kilo is that if it goes to sleep and you have to wake it back up/ turn it on during the stage, the startup is painfully slow. It is only like 3 seconds in reality, but when you're trying to get a range on the clock, it feels like you're staring at that damned Sig logo for ages waiting for it to boot up. We figured out to have the Kilo in your hand and be fingering the buttons to keep it awake when about to start a stage.

A rifle-mounted LRF would definitely be the cleanest way of doing things for a match like this, but for my team that just wasn't financially in the cards this year. It's worth noting that all of the teams who beat us this year all used Wilcox WMLRFs. I gotta get my hands on one of those...

Other important shooting gear:
-Armageddon gear Sticky pint-sized game changer with spexlite:
This bag can't compete with a genuine heavy bag if you're doing PRS or whatever, but it was perfect for this match. The grippy surfaces made it great for sloped metal props that would have been tough with a normal bag, and it was great as a rear bag for the rare times that I got to use a bipod. Also made a fantastic pillow at night, like better than my actual pillow at home.
-Leofoto SA-324C tripod w/ MA-30 head:
Yeah yeah I know, Chyna. But I needed a tripod on short notice for this match and RRS wasn't in stock (thank god). I've actually been very surprised by how nice this thing is, it's rock solid for the weight and has held up great. My partner has the actual RRS setup that this tripod is copying, and we used them interchangeably at the match. If you look closely you can see the difference in fit and finish, but on the clock you really couldn't notice a difference in functionality. A lot of guys forego tripods for Mammoth to save weight and bulk, but in my opinion they are worth the weight. I only actually used it as intended on two stages, as in actually locked my rifle into the ball head. But on those stages nothing else would have really sufficed, and the tripods were useful in some other unconventional ways. I used it as a rear support a couple of times which is rock steady. One stage involved shooting from the backseat of an army MRZR, with nothing to support the rifle and no room to setup a tripod. Most guys threw their ruck on the seat and tried to use that as a support, with mixed results. We ended up half-extending our tripods and laying them horizontally from seat back to seat back and using that as a rifle rest, which I think contributed greatly to us doing very well on that stage. Tripods were also useful for rigging up shade in exposed waiting areas during hot weather.
-Arbor arms nut ruck:
Lots of guys used chest rigs or mounted mag pouches to their ruck waistbelts, but I just threw on this nut ruck before each stage to hold my rifle mags and LRF. It wasn't the most high-speed solution, but worked very nicely and folded up small in the ruck when not being used.
-Safariland ALS holster:
Losing control of a gun is grounds for a DQ, so it's worth the weight and bulk to bring a good active-retention holster. Over the course of 3 Mammoths I've seen at least as many teams get sent home due to a pistol falling out of a holster, so it ain't no joke.

A note on food: a lot of guys try to save weight on food and this is a terrible idea. My first time shooting Mammoth I brought something like 2400 calories a day, and it wasn't nearly enough. This time I brought at least 4500 calories per day and I still lost 8lbs over the course of the match. Temps fluctuated between 45 and 85F so I brought plenty of electrolytes, (liquid IV, Dripdrop, Tailwind), but I wish I had brought more. Several teams had to drop out due to cramps and heat-related injuries, and it was not uncommon to see guys throwing up in the ditch after the rucks. I packed Peak Nutrition freeze-dried meals, they're my favorite brand due to flavor and man-sized portions. Each day also had its own little "extras" bag, with snack bars, electrolyte packets, instant coffee, energy gummies, etc.

Finally, and possibly most importantly, put a pair of foamy earplugs in your camp kit. The campsite can get a little loud at night.

I'd be happy to answer any questions, and shout out to anybody who was there. Mammoth attracts some of the best men in this whole country, I've never walked away from one without some badass new friends.
 
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Dang man, you're really making me want to shoot this match... When you say "long shots at small targets" for the pistol are you talking about 100+ yards or just saying don't expect torso targets at 7yds?

Top 10 finishes every time you've done it is exceptional, congrats!
 
I’ve always wanted to shoot Mammoth. We used to always shoot the other Thunderbeast team matches and usually finished in the top 5, but we never did Mammoth. I need to shoot it atleast once while I’m still in good shape physically.
 
Dang man, you're really making me want to shoot this match... When you say "long shots at small targets" for the pistol are you talking about 100+ yards or just saying don't expect torso targets at 7yds?

Top 10 finishes every time you've done it is exceptional, congrats!
Thank you

Think C-zones, A-zones, 25% IPSC torsos and prairie dogs out to 30-40 yards. With Virginia count and a bit of one handed shooting, some of it was very challenging. Staccatos with red dots were a common theme with teams that placed well, despite the large weight penalty if that tells you anything.
 
Thanks for the great write up.
I'll be doing my first Mammoth in March and the biggest thing that's giving me stress is what and how much food to bring.
I would err on the more side rather than the less, personally. I packed six full peak nutrition meals (700-1200 calories each) plus at least 800 calories worth of snacks for each day and I probably could have still eaten a bit more. Don't neglect things like electrolyte packets and caffeine too. I'm in my 20's and fairly fit but I don't think I eat any more than average on a normal day, but Mammoth burns a lot of calories.
 
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2 questions

Is water available or do you have to carry that to?

Can both guys use the same rifle?
 
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Water is available and everywhere. All bottled. No need to even bring a nalgene or anything.

Both guys can have the same rifle, but if I recall correctly at least one needs to be .223/.308. I forget but we run a .223 and a 6CM.

I am not sure I am comfortable answering the longest ruck because who knows what they will come up with. I personally am training the same, up to ~5.
 
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I would err on the more side rather than the less, personally. I packed six full peak nutrition meals (700-1200 calories each) plus at least 800 calories worth of snacks for each day and I probably could have still eaten a bit more. Don't neglect things like electrolyte packets and caffeine too. I'm in my 20's and fairly fit but I don't think I eat any more than average on a normal day, but Mammoth burns a lot of calories.
That sounds like a lot of calories but better to have more than not enough. I'm leaning toward taking the Peak meals too.
 
Water is available and everywhere. All bottled. No need to even bring a nalgene or anything.

Both guys can have the same rifle, but if I recall correctly at least one needs to be .223/.308. I forget but we run a .223 and a 6CM.

I am not sure I am comfortable answering the longest ruck because who knows what they will come up with. I personally am training the same, up to ~5.
Yea I know distance will very from year to year but I’m was wondering if they had seen some longer rucks up in the 8+ range historically
 
I’ve got a few questions.

What were you doing for training leading up to the match?

What did your total load out weight?

How much rifle ammo did you bring, and what did you actually use?

Thanks!
 
My team was 51 and 52 on the pack weight last year for mammoth 2. No rain gear, all stone glacier and hyperlite. I think I remember loosing about 11 pounds out of my pack after all was said and done.

They called out round counts in the welcome pack. I had a bunch left over but I would not have taken any less.
 
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I went stone glacier or western mountaineering quilt last year. I don’t remember which. I didn’t use a full bag, the nights weren’t that cold and we were in a tent. Hyperlite ultimid I think is the model.

We may just go SG bivy shelter this year which I may bring a full bag (WM) if we do.
 
I went with a Nemo Osmo tent and Tensor pad. Still trying to decide on sleeping bag.
Workout has been 5 miles with 55 lbs at about a 14:30-14:45 pace, 77 lbs for 3 miles at a walking pace, and a cardio at 4 miles 11:00 pace- weekly basis.
First mammoth so I’m basically doing what I think will be beneficial without sustaining any injuries. Also gonna be 41 when we kick off in March so my times are decent I think. Body is feeling good. Finish a five miler and definitely could keep going well ahead of pace, but I don’t know what I don’t know since this is my first mammoth.
 
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What's the bathroom situation at the camp? Is there pro shitters, showers? Or is it just a Mexican space ship?
 
Odd question but I’ll be doing Chaffee in march and was wondering what the longest ruck was? I’ve been training up to 6 miles
It will vary day to day and year to year. For this one I think the longest was 6 miles, and the shortest was .4 miles. In 2018 I think we had one that was 9+ miles, and that was a tough one.

I’ve got a few questions.

What were you doing for training leading up to the match?

What did your total load out weight?

How much rifle ammo did you bring, and what did you actually use?

Thanks!
I lift regularly in my day to day life, so lots of squats, deadlifts, etc just as baseline. I started rucking about 2 months before the match, but I should have started earlier. Started off slow, like one or maybe two 6-8-mile rucks per week and slowly increased the load from 30 to 60lbs. My training was more about trying out different boots and conditioning my feet more than anything, I didn't have any real trouble fitness-wise. I should have started training earlier and done longer rucks (10 miles maybe), because my feet ended up getting a little chewed up anyways.

I don't think I ever weighed my setup this time, but in years past I was right at the 55lb mark with rifle and everything. This time was probably a bit lighter since a lot of cold weather gear wasn't needed.

When you sign up for mammoth they send you a recommended ammo load, to which I added about 15 rounds for pistol and 20 rounds for rifle. At the end of the match I think I had 8 pistol rounds and 20 rifle rounds leftover. If you perform really well you won't have much ammo leftover at all, but some of the guys who have a hard time bring almost their whole ammo load home with them if that tells you anything. The first time I ever shot Mammoth I brought like 80 more rounds than was recommended and wanted so badly to throw it all into the porta-shitter before the final ruck. If it's your first time, just pack the recommended round count and you'll be fine.
 
What sleeeping bag do you carry?
I used a pretty cheap Kelty 40* down bag. Forecast called for 45* nights and I was fine with the bag zipped up and sleeping out in the open. I care more about having a nice pad than a nice bag, so I bought a big ass plush Sea to Summit EtherliteXT, in extra wide. Which ended up being a mistake because the 2-man tent my buddy brought was too small to fit both his normal sleeping pad and my huge puss pad. So I ended up cowboy camping out in the open, which worked fine besides a heavy dew on the first morning.

What's the bathroom situation at the camp? Is there pro shitters, showers? Or is it just a Mexican space ship?

Porta-shitters that may or may not run out of TP so pack accordingly. They also fill up fast right before the first ruck of the day, so if you're a morning constitutionalist then you oughta build an extra 15 minutes into your morning routine.
 
I'm doing my first mammoth at Chaffee as well and my partner and few friends have done several each. As you get closer to the match, on the rucks, they said it was helpful to do 3-5 miles in the morning before work and then do another 3-5 miles after work. That is a better idea of what mammoth will actual feel like. Or on a weekend. Do 4 miles for breakfast, 4 miles after lunch, and 4 miles at dinner. There is something to be said for doing 12 miles all at once and having all day to recover and another to warm up, cool down, warm up, cool down, warm up several times and see how your muscles react. Some people get super tight in the hips. I know I do.

As far as pacing, they all agreed to always spend the first few minutes of each ruck at a faster pace to bank some in case you run into some elevation or have to adjust gear, etc. and they always are aiming for a certain pace/mile average.

I've gone through my loadout like 10 times and still making changes. lol
 
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