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There is a game change about to happen in America.
Blood suckers, gamers, an some sheep are going to be left w/o a chair. Wolves will not require a tag or license.
 
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Exercising your constitutional right doesn't translate into breaking the law and running wild in the streets like a bunch of anarchists. Did you take a look at some of those photos? Doesn't even look like an American town.

I thank the Marine for his service but that is where it ends. He has no one to blame but himself. In my opinion, his veteran status went out the window the second he decided he was going to engage the police in armed conflict.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Intrepid4576</div><div class="ubbcode-body">nothing more American than a vet exercising their constitutional rights </div></div>

Bullshit

There were plenty of "vets" that came back from Vietnam and spit on their fellow servicemen. When he decided to become an anarchist all his prior accomplishments went out the window. Benedict Arnold comes to mind.

Khama is a bitch.
 
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What garbage and what an embarrassment to the Corps! Thats the risk you take I guess, the media on this garbage is half the problem; they keep this crap on the news and it keeps bring more trash to these gatherings. As for the OP get real, his accomplishments are not even equivelant to that of a boot grad from the Corps. Who wants to bet this guy joined for the education money?
 
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I figure all the "occupy" folks are pretty dim. You want change? Try organized boycott. If you think a bank's CEO makes too much and you don't like its investment policies, try this: Get a few thousand people to go into branches of that bank on one day and close all their accounts, clearly stating <span style="font-style: italic">why</span> they are withdrawing their money and moving their loans. When the bank's shareholders see what is happening you'll see some real change. Hard to get folks to do that? I'm sure standing around singing "Kumbaya", pissing in the street, and being a general nuisance is much more productive.
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Disrupting traffic, filthing up public places, and creating hardships for working class stiffs is a poor way to win people to your side and evoke positive change. It also means most folks with common sense don't have a whole lot of sympathy when one of your ilk gets hurt while disobeying lawful orders from the cops. Being a vet doesn't earn this hippy a pass.
 
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If you are using non lethal means for crowd dispersal (40mm tear gas canister) you do not shoot it directly at someone <20 yards away- that is potentially lethal. Regardless whether you disagree with what the marine is protesting/doing.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bad Medicine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What garbage and what an embarrassment to the Corps! Thats the risk you take I guess, the media on this garbage is half the problem; they keep this crap on the news and it keeps bring more trash to these gatherings. As for the OP get real, his accomplishments are not even equivelant to that of a boot grad from the Corps. Who wants to bet this guy joined for the education money? </div></div>
In some ways I agree with you, however; getting a thousand people to close their accounts in one day, isn't realistic either. They will need to close all their accounts-get their money in cash. Take it home an put it in a jar I guess. Or are they going to go next door an open a new account because they love that bank? Getting a thousand people with enough money to make a difference is the key-a thousand yeahoos with an average balance of less than a thousand dollars, isn't going be a big deal-in fact a lot of banks would be glad to get rid of them.
The problem I have with Oakland is as follows: they are what they are. They enforce the rules on some people and not others-commies if you will, or similar to nazi's. Real Americans like the laws and rules to apply to all. When huge homosexual parades and demonstrations get going in oakland and san fran, not only it is okay, but many of the local cops are part of the parade. The largest homosexual police organization in the US is in fact in San Fran, they even have a web page! Those low lifes getting gassed in this case, should have been gassed, but how about other low lifes? Is it just this group that should be gassed? A rule/law/enforcement policy that only applies to a group when those in power want to apply it, is not American, that is what I find to be the worst fact to come out of this. I remember a few years ago, the TSA had a policy that people like Al Gore didn't need to go through security, to fly com air, all other Americans did, but not "these type of people". So many real Americans (those that believe in Equal justice) were upset by it, the TSA suddenly decided that the security rules actually applied to all Americans for Com Air, now Al Gore must go through the TSA check points, as do the rest of us. Don't know about his EX, tipper, I hear she ran off with a piano player or something like that.
 
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A 24 y/o non violent protester, especially a veteran, does not deserve to be shot point blank in the head with a tear gas canister.
It's a tragedy that it has come to this in our country.
We are being divided and subjugated.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 24 y/o non violent protester, <span style="color: #FF0000">especially a veteran</span>, does not deserve to be shot point blank in the head with a tear gas canister.
It's a tragedy that it has come to this in our country.
We are being divided and subjugated.
</div></div>

If either of my brothers, one doing two tours in Iraq, the other one tour in Afghanistan did this shit and took a gas canister to the head they would get no sympathy from me. Your Veteran statues in no way shape or form excuses your behavior or actions. Thinking it does is a form of being a elitist.
 
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I love how all the conspiracy theorists automatically assume that the police shooting tear gas canisters into a crowd aimed, fired, and intentionally shot that man in the face... There's just no possible way a TG canister coulda hit someone in a large, violent crowd by accident....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love how all the conspiracy theorists automatically assume that the police shooting tear gas canisters into a crowd aimed, fired, and intentionally shot that man in the face... There's just no possible way a TG canister coulda hit someone in a large, violent crowd by accident.... </div></div>

That could happen it had to be intentional!!!!
 
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Just check the videos the internet is full of those...protecting and serving (the true americans - those with enough green to pay)

I really couldn't care less but at least some of you would (or have) been screaming for jets when something similar was going on in Middle East, China or anywhere else. To some it might do good to actually try to use stuff behind their eyes and think a little about current affairs and who is a commie, lefty or a real issue and threat to "society".

I think too many "John Waynes" "Rambos" "Eastwoods" have been sitting at home polishing their loved ones (guns not wifes if any) and doing nothing while certain elements took your (and everyone elses) candy away. And now poor "children" and "communists" are only ones willing to go out and protest. But hey just go and vote see where does that lead you (and leave you) you're doing it every 4 years with what result? (one of definitions of idiocy/craziness is doing same thing over and over again in the same way and expecting something to change)
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just check the videos the internet is full of those...protecting and serving (the true americans - those with enough green to pay)

I really couldn't care less but at least some of you would (or have) been screaming for jets when something similar was going on in Middle East, China or anywhere else. To some it might do good to actually try to use stuff behind their eyes and think a little about current affairs and who is a commie, lefty or a real issue and threat to "society".

I think too many "John Waynes" "Rambos" "Eastwoods" have been sitting at home polishing their loved ones (guns not wifes if any) and doing nothing while certain elements took your (and everyone elses) candy away. And now poor "children" and "communists" are only ones willing to go out and protest. But hey just go and vote see where does that lead you (and leave you) you're doing it every 4 years with what result? (one of definitions of idiocy/craziness is doing same thing over and over again in the same way and expecting something to change) </div></div>

Popcorn (@$6.15 p/box). Check.
7 liter Pepsi(@$5.50). Check
Gummybears (@$4.47 p/box)Check

Roll'em.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love how all the conspiracy theorists automatically assume that the police shooting tear gas canisters into a crowd aimed, fired, and intentionally shot that man in the face... There's just no possible way a TG canister coulda hit someone in a large, violent crowd by accident.... </div></div>

That could happen it had to be intentional!!!! </div></div>

Look at where is body is in relation to the police barricades.
He wasn't exactly in the middle of a crowd.
The grenade in the crowd of people trying to get him to medical assistance certainly was intentional.

If this guy was being violent, it could be justified, but every video I've seen so far has not indicated he had any role in some of the reported attacks on police.

I certainly hope that I'm wrong & the Oakland Police used only the force necessary to serve and protect the public.
 
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Crowds move. Especially when tear gas is spewing...

He doesn't have to be violent, he's part of a crowd that's acting in a malicious and belligerent fashion. That makes them a "violent crowd" to first responders.
 
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These folks seem nieve or something at best.
Just read about the Bonus Army,or more recent Ruby Ridge,and of course those child molesting,gun running thugs at Waco,Tx.
shit,they will fire on your ass in a second,burn you out,gas you,whatever.
These poor folks aint got the foggiest idea.
Too many examples here in this country of what the powers that be are prepared to do.
Esp with ever local,state,fed agency got thier own special sawt/tactical response set up,and tied in to the military for quick back ups...
Protest?.Might be better off going the way of Ghandi or some such.
Heard one of them guys in Atlanta say he could not risk the police or jail,another was afraid of confrontation with the cops..
Yeah,they will break your protest up,even violently?
 
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/25/google-transparency-report-released

Any one see a report like this any where.

As far as these comments on he threw his benefits out when he decided to engage thu police.
What?
When and where would you suggest the sheeple start to raise hell and resist?
Finially,Worried over the shanty towns,yeah,I sit on my tail,
So how would you go about this.?
And these poor poor folks believe ,that they are to be protected and served.
i hear and read of the sheep on these places for a while and then when some protest ,go against the grain,etc we call them on it,go against them in name and principle..
I think they need better organization.
Police.blue line,who are they?Waht are they?
Are they even legal in the strictest sense?
I believe the only reason they exist on the level they are at now ,is the good,peaceful,unconfrontational nature of the population has just not had the education,or will to really address them multi jurisdictional swat boys and and any who are on call up to back em...
I cannot remember that link on cops and thier legality,it used to be in the library over at the firingline.com
Very interesting take and opions here.
Or are we in trouble now for that too.?
googlefu has come thru
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm
Man this whole topic is worth studying.
 
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FUCK HIM!!! He brought the ticket and he saw the show. Play with the big boys and you're just liable to get hurt.

Did he ever stop to think that some of those officers that he and his fellow anarchists were hurling rocks, urine and bottles at were also Iraq and Afghanistan vets trying to do a job?

To those who say "well the videos don't show him being violent or resisting in anyway"! The videos show what the media and the anarchists want you to see. As usual, we don't get the full picture of his actions prior to him getting brained.

A little common sense goes a long way here as well. Myself and most people I know, look outside and see the streets ablaze and cops in riot gear, we tend to stay away. These fools want to be in the line of fire and then they cry foul when they get hurt.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The people "Excercising" their constitutional right do not have a right to shit on the sidewalk, litter, create noise pollution....

My bag of compassion is empty for him. </div></div>

And in your profile posts you quote the true Karate -do.
Wonder what the samurai sayed about the backward island people they conquered,and if they was shittinn on thier streets,and what they used to resist the larger,better equipped and trained for war invaders etc.?Them stupid uneducated island protesters,
Wonder who they were and what thier real names would be,
karate -do
yeah right,empty handed ,humility my my.....


This is truly an intersting bunch of posts here..

When and where does a protest movement start?
Under what guidelines?
Oh are we just gunna call em ignorant,squatters?
We have all been dancing around this ever where.

This goes a ways back,heck I even watched charlie rose had on some guy Tues last calling them protesters,bad evil tea party gone astry violent etc..
This movement may be dirty ,and start off bad ,but something needs to be done in this country.
And soon.
The list would be endless if the list started back in say 1991,of the encroachments and evilness of what has gone on here and taken root,swept under a rug....
From the govt,educational institutions,the health care into every aspect of daily life.,the banking insurance industry gone beserk stealing how much?

Play with the big boys and get hurt.
Maybe, like I posted ,read about those rogues that made up the Bonus army...
yeah and they better not git to out of hand cause the mayors can drop a bomb on them,Since were just gunna fuckem!
Lets fry them as well.
I am not for them ,but like you posted play and git hurt.
dayumm.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/MOVE-Phihladelphia-BombNYT14may85.htm

I am so done with this thread except to read .

if you cant stand the heat git out the kitchen....
I will be re reading the definitions of patriotism,defiance,revolt,protest,anarchy,and facism....

May even reread some history on the American revolution,French revolution,boxer rebellion,Apache resistence to uS govt etc.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 152</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
May even reread some history on the American revolution,French revolution,boxer rebellion,Apache resistence to uS govt etc.
</div></div>

There's some of us here who are familiar with history, and would prefer not to pervert and distort it....

To put it in lay-mans-terms.....

All of you're examples, had an actual cause, a purpose if you will....

The occupiers, as much as you're easily excitable patriot side would like to glorify them, have no fucking cause whatsoever... Unless you support their only half-ass distinguishable cause they've taken up of promoting the Socialist and Communist ideology, and dismantling big bad capitalism...

Carry on
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just check the videos the internet is full of those...protecting and serving (the true americans - those with enough green to pay)

I really couldn't care less but at least some of you would (or have) been screaming for jets when something similar was going on in Middle East, China or anywhere else. To some it might do good to actually try to use stuff behind their eyes and think a little about current affairs and who is a commie, lefty or a real issue and threat to "society".

I think too many "John Waynes" "Rambos" "Eastwoods" have been sitting at home polishing their loved ones (guns not wifes if any) and doing nothing while certain elements took your (and everyone elses) candy away. And now poor "children" and "communists" are only ones willing to go out and protest. But hey just go and vote see where does that lead you (and leave you) you're doing it every 4 years with what result? (one of definitions of idiocy/craziness is doing same thing over and over again in the same way and expecting something to change) </div></div>

Seriously man, it's post's like this that make me laugh every time I hear a European Blowhard run their suck about obnoxious Americans! Uh huh, we force ourselves on the rest of the world...How nice of you to sacrifice some of your 8 week vacation to condescend to us! Time for your three hour break yet?

Here's the deal, there is no free shit. Just because someone else gets a lucky deal in life doesn't mean we all do. These people in the streets do represent the 99%: The 99% of gutless western parasites with the audacity to demand yet more subsidies be handed to them by an ever dwindling number of productive non-parasites.

Naturally, it isn't surprising that these people, who avoid math classes as though they were physical exercise, would mangle something as "Complex" as percentages.

I'll help you out: the 47% of people who pay no income taxes are subsidized by the 53% who do. The latter are too busy working, carrying the burden of providing for their families, forced to subsidize an ever growing population of ungrateful mooches, leaches, and layabouts, and toughing out the mandates of ass kissing politicians who buy the votes of scumbags with the earnings of those who wouldn't think of taking what they do not earn.

You want to improve your life, get off your ass and work three jobs. I have no compassion for you.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just check the videos the internet is full of those...protecting and serving (the true americans - those with enough green to pay)

I really couldn't care less but at least some of you would (or have) been screaming for jets when something similar was going on in Middle East, China or anywhere else. To some it might do good to actually try to use stuff behind their eyes and think a little about current affairs and who is a commie, lefty or a real issue and threat to "society".

I think too many "John Waynes" "Rambos" "Eastwoods" have been sitting at home polishing their loved ones (guns not wifes if any) and doing nothing while certain elements took your (and everyone elses) candy away. And now poor "children" and "communists" are only ones willing to go out and protest. But hey just go and vote see where does that lead you (and leave you) you're doing it every 4 years with what result? (one of definitions of idiocy/craziness is doing same thing over and over again in the same way and expecting something to change) </div></div>

Seriously man, it's post's like this that make me laugh every time I hear a European Blowhard run their suck about obnoxious Americans! Uh huh, we force ourselves on the rest of the world...How nice of you to sacrifice some of your 8 week vacation to condescend to us! Time for your three hour break yet?

Here's the deal, there is no free shit. Just because someone else gets a lucky deal in life doesn't mean we all do. These people in the streets do represent the 99%: The 99% of gutless western parasites with the audacity to demand yet more subsidies be handed to them by an ever dwindling number of productive non-parasites.

Naturally, it isn't surprising that these people, who avoid math classes as though they were physical exercise, would mangle something as "Complex" as percentages.

I'll help you out: the 47% of people who pay no income taxes are subsidized by the 53% who do. The latter are too busy working, carrying the burden of providing for their families, forced to subsidize an ever growing population of ungrateful mooches, leaches, and layabouts, and toughing out the mandates of ass kissing politicians who buy the votes of scumbags with the earnings of those who wouldn't think of taking what they do not earn.

You want to improve your life, get off your ass and work three jobs. I have no compassion for you.


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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">152,

Congratulations.

Your ignorance of the demographic of the "protesters", along with the general lack of knowledge of history, has shown me I cannot underestimate the lack of intelligence found in our society. </div></div>


FOR THE FUCKING WIN!!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think too many "John Waynes" "Rambos" "Eastwoods" have been sitting at home polishing their loved ones (guns not wifes if any) and doing nothing while certain elements took your (and everyone elses) candy away. And now poor "children" and "communists" are only ones willing to go out and protest. But hey just go and vote see where does that lead you (and leave you) you're doing it every 4 years with what result? (one of definitions of idiocy/craziness is doing same thing over and over again in the same way and expecting something to change) </div></div>


Some of you all may want to re-read this and then become more informed about some of the core issues in these OWS rallies.

Here is a very simple one everyone <span style="font-style: italic">should be</span> able to track - If the nation needs more currency to be introduced into the system, why does Congress go to a 3rd party (the FED - private banks) and tell them to print it, and then allow the FED to charge us interest? Why not just have an arm of the Government print the money and then introduce it to the system without charging interest to the American people? Consider that all of this debt is debt generated by the banks - not us. Currently $0.40 of every dollar we spend is borrowed money (think China) and every single dollar in circulation has some level of debt service owed to the FED attached to it. Does that really sound like it is for the benefit of us as a people? Or for the benefit of the banksters? Understand too, mathmatically it is impossible to repay our debts. What is the logical out come of that game?

I am not advocating irresponsible or illegal behavior, and I am not saying that every issue espoused by these protesters has equal standing. I am saying, that some of the 'conservatives' in the nation need to start to take a harder look at what the real issues are before the whole paradigm burns down around us. We are potentially on the precipice of a very very difficult point in our history. In the short term they are either going to find the way to kick the can a little further down the road, or the cornice is going to snap off and millions will be buried in the avalanche.


Good luck
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Noah Mercy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I figure all the "occupy" folks are pretty dim. You want change? Try organized boycott. If you think a bank's CEO makes too much and you don't like its investment policies, try this: Get a few thousand people to go into branches of that bank on one day and close all their accounts, clearly stating <span style="font-style: italic">why</span> they are withdrawing their money and moving their loans. When the bank's shareholders see what is happening you'll see some real change.</div></div>

I'm not sure that is necessary. If people don't like the banks, try voting with money. Maybe stop empowering them by avoiding debt instead of being dependent on these massive banks. Move banking to a local bank. Consider a local credit union for financing loans. Maybe i'm way off, but why wait for everyone else to organize into some sort of boycott. Just a thought....


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 152</div><div class="ubbcode-body">May even reread some history on the American revolution,French revolution,boxer rebellion,Apache resistence to uS govt etc.</div></div>

I wouldn't put the American war of Independance into the same catagory as the French revolution. The two wars are different, and ended with completely different outcomes. One created a Republic under the rule of law, the other ended in mass killings and a dictatership.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BFMF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I'm not sure that is necessary. If people don't like the banks, try voting with money. Maybe stop empowering them by avoiding debt instead of being dependent on these massive banks. Move banking to a local bank. Consider a local credit union for financing loans.</div></div>

Fed -> Commercial Bank -> local bank / credit union really doesn't matter. They are all ultimately getting their money from the same place - US. Coupled with fractional reserve lending ($1 in deposits gets loaned out at a 9:1 ratio) exacerbates the problem.


Good luck
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BFMF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I'm not sure that is necessary. If people don't like the banks, try voting with money. Maybe stop empowering them by avoiding debt instead of being dependent on these massive banks. Move banking to a local bank. Consider a local credit union for financing loans.</div></div>

Fed -> Commercial Bank -> local bank / credit union really doesn't matter. They are all ultimately getting there money from the same place - US. Coupled with fractional reserve lending ($1 in deposits gets loaned out at a 9:1 ratio) exacerbates the problem.


Good luck </div></div>

I see your point, and I think I agree with you. I am however unsure about smaller local credit unions. I was under the impression they were organized differently and locally owned and operated?

Also, wouldn't boycotting wallstreet or any bank not solve anything, only make it worse? If a boycott did succeed in bringing it down, the fed would bail them out anyway.
 
#39
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The answer is simple, put your money in your gun safe.

I have stocks, and that money is in specific companies.

I have a mortgage with Chase - and as soon as I can pay it off I will - I hate the way banks can treat you with a mortgage...

I have no credit card debt, I will NOT pay $200 a month in interest on credit cards, it's bad enough I pay $1000 a month on mortgage interest...

I do have to wonder though, back in the 80's we broke up AT&T for being too big, AIG and these banks were too big and became a monopoly - why haven't they been broken up yet?

Both GW and O have agreed that there should not be a single point of failure such as AIG (14 trillion) - rather than bail companies out we should let them fail, except the failure would cause a depression.


Wall Street is making my retirement, they are not evil - I loan them money and they give me a 21% return annually - what's wrong with that?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MLC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 24 y/o non violent protester, especially a veteran, does not deserve to be shot point blank in the head with a tear gas canister.
It's a tragedy that it has come to this in our country.
We are being divided and subjugated.
</div></div>

i agree with the part where we are being divided and subjugated, however what these OW crowds are doing is similar to the behavior in grease and that is NOT acceptable int he states.
we have ways of bringing about change in this country, its called elections and capitalism. if you dont like how a business conducts itself, then dont do business there. if enough people believe the same, then that business will fail. the system is brilliant and the only person those Occupy morons have to blame is them self.
 
#41
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Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

His status as a veteran in no way permits him to do whatever he wants. I thank him for his service, but the police weren't firing gas canisters because they felt like it.

Its not like the police saw him said thats a veteran lets shoot him in the face. Playing the veteran card is propaganda used after the fact to try to bend things your way.
 
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que: If you'd take time and actually read it and process what i've written you wouldn't be spewing "european is taking his bonus free time to lecture americans about their freedoms" and even so it's a sad day when a member of "dead" continent has to remind you of your basic freedoms which some of you are very quick to trample as soon as the right buttons are pressed. Maybe you should think about who is shafting who in this big game of life and instead of poking the man beside you you might want to check your six...


For the record (as some obviously missed it) it's not even the point who the protesters are and how many of them are on some form of social help program but about police, state, government and basic freedoms and who is willing and able to stand up for them and who are willing to release more of those to the government for protection against <insert your daily foe here please>.

It's not that i don't agree with you about people choosing to do nothing and live off those who do what i'm pointing out to you is that your 53% which pay taxes and are too busy to do anything WILL HAVE to become "unbusy" fast if they want their children to live in half the normal world we do atm (if you can call that normal compared to our parents/grandparents). And just for the record i wonder who is the crazy one here, parasite doing nothing living of 53% and protesting?, bankster&co stuffing their faces full of stuff they've legally taken from 53%? 53% of population being to busy to raise children properly, paying taxes for everyone else and see their world go down the drain and still work 3 jobs??

Who da crazy man?
 
#43
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">que: If you'd take time and actually read it and process what i've written you wouldn't be spewing "european is taking his bonus free time to lecture americans about their freedoms" and even so it's a sad day when a member of "dead" continent has to remind you of your basic freedoms which some of you are very quick to trample as soon as the right buttons are pressed. Maybe you should think about who is shafting who in this big game of life and instead of poking the man beside you you might want to check your six...


For the record (as some obviously missed it) it's not even the point who the protesters are and how many of them are on some form of social help program but about police, state, government and basic freedoms and who is willing and able to stand up for them and who are willing to release more of those to the government for protection against <insert your daily foe here please>.

It's not that i don't agree with you about people choosing to do nothing and live off those who do what i'm pointing out to you is that your 53% which pay taxes and are too busy to do anything WILL HAVE to become "unbusy" fast if they want their children to live in half the normal world we do atm (if you can call that normal compared to our parents/grandparents). And just for the record i wonder who is the crazy one here, parasite doing nothing living of 53% and protesting?, bankster&co stuffing their faces full of stuff they've legally taken from 53%? 53% of population being to busy to raise children properly, paying taxes for everyone else and see their world go down the drain and still work 3 jobs??

Who da crazy man?


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from an economic standpoint, with all due respect, you are.
the world we live in today is a global economy, whereas back 50 years ago, it was far less competitive. competition is always a good thing, as it lowers costs and removes inefficiencies. if the chinese can create widgets at 1/2 the price they can bemade in the USA, so be it, we are able to use the widgets to build something better, or use our resources here for something we are more efficient at.

i have a feeling you agree with tariffs against other countries goods. history has proven time and time again, protectionist policies harm everyone involved, the most harm being done to the nation which imposes the tariffs.
 
#45
Re: man down

Sharac, I think I get what you were trying to do there. Sorry for the extra ooomph in my response!

No one likes the ephemeral insider (Insider?) who always comes out on top. Unfortunately, they are often just that, epemeral; a bogie man constructed for the use of others to distract from their own malfeasance or nefarious goals.

It would seem that bull shit is still the chief export product of many of our people. A product abundant in grossly excessive supply, far outstripping any need whatsoever, though there are a shocking number of dupes eager to accept it if it is free.

I think we have to be careful not to buy into the script that is being provided: The police are using excessive force. Quite simply, this is not so. Not to say it never happens or won't but the premise is part of this farce. The organizers and those funding this "Movement" are trying to create media drama as that is all they have to save the socialist top spin they have garnered since the post Katrina horse shit yielded returns. Once taking the house and senate in 06, the template has been cemented.

Unfortunately, the wholesale, bought and paid for, media ("News" and entertainment) has so forfeited any semblance of credibility or objectivity, the employment of spectacles has been deemed essential.

Donny Deutch said two weeks ago, "what we need is another Kent State" event. We know that is what they are hoping for. Just as Hollywood blathers about being the center of creativity while seeming never to come up with anything more than remakes of '60's cartoons or cheesy sequels or knock-offs of the few original movies, or TV shows, the news media and flimsy politicians have become so dependent on the credulous laziness of so many viewers that even the most paltry efforts at deception gain some traction.

The point is, the bankers might as well be "The Jews". Get it now? Our intellectual masters are trying to get us to attack a construct while they continue to sacrifice themselves in their tireless, public service, for their meager earnings: Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon, George Soros, Awec Bawin, et al. Such stoicism...

It's bullshit and I am not playing. And I do more than just vote.

 
#46
Re: man down

Don't concentrate on the trees,...
Everything your seeing is a indirect attempt to wag the dog again, and it's kennel is within 1600 an two other houses.
 
#48
Re: man down

Que: I think we are in agreement here and the script being played out and i'm glad you got my point or at least part of it. But for the vast majority of tax paying citizens a decision will have to made and soon or the coming shit storm will be the last one for many. So before people go yapping around about commies, hippies and freebies maybe they should check their six and check the mirror and ask themselves what they actually did to make this world a better place...
 
#49
Re: man down

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BFMF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I see your point, and I think I agree with you. I am however unsure about smaller local credit unions. I was under the impression they were organized differently and locally owned and operated?

Also, wouldn't boycotting wallstreet or any bank not solve anything, only make it worse? If a boycott did succeed in bringing it down, the fed would bail them out anyway. </div></div>

C/Us are organized differently, however they all ultimately buy thier money from the
same place - the FED. Here is an example, I live in an MSA of @ 200,000 people. We have @ 10 banks and C/Us. I was speaking to one of the CEO's for a local C/U earlier this week - they alone have $96,000,000.00 available loan out.

People need to begin to understand that when a dollar is printed it creates debt service on the part of the American public and is owed to private banks in the form of the FED.
The FED loans the money to the large commercial banks who in turn lend it to smaller banks. Effectively vig on top of vig, all of which is on the back of the tax payer. Now add 'too big to fail'. The debt isn't rightfully the citizen's in the first place.



Good luck
 
#50
Re: man down

What are you talking about? If you are defending the protests then you sir are confused! They are crapping on residents door steps, they are costing thousands in tax payer dollars (tax payers who actually pay taxes!). And being a general nussance if you want to make a difference support a group with some class, like the T.E.A. party until then worry about Europe and the Euro and how all you idiots thought it was a good idea to have a standard currency for countries at different economic points.
 
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