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And the irony post makes me laugh- the protestors protesting for sharing wealth refuse to share their food!
And the irony post makes me laugh- the protestors protesting for sharing wealth refuse to share their food!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The point is, the bankers might as well be "The Jews". Get it now? Our intellectual masters are trying to get us to attack a construct while they continue to sacrifice themselves in their tireless, public service, for their meager earnings: Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon, George Soros, Awec Bawin, et al. Such stoicism...
It's bullshit and I am not playing. And I do more than just vote.
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I disagree with this. The blame on the bankers is wholly correct and justified. However, the bankers don't deserve ALL the blame. What many people simply do not understand is that what the banks did (and still do) is not behave as banks at all, but very high risk, high leverage hedge funds. The accumulated exposure across just the top 10 banks is shocking. There is so much leveraged risk in the banking system due to credit derivatives that it simply cannot be sustained. These banks, in their relentless, reckless and unregulated chase for outrageous profits with no regard to the broader consequences have put this country and most of the nations of the world at more risk than any terrorist could ever dream of.
Millions of Americans are out of work, the VAST majority of Americans have had wage increases in the very low double digits since the 1970s but yet these banker, who produce NOTHING, who do very little good beyond retail and low level commercial banking (which is all a bank should do) have seen wage increases in the mid-triple figures.
You can blame hipsters, hippies or students who don't want to pay their loans. But in so doing, you're missing the giant point that MZB and Sharac are making - the system, in its entirety, has been rigged to the favor of the tiny percentage of this country. That tiny percent knows that they've pushed the envelope too far and are planning accordingly. They're not going to give back what they've taken, they're going to make sure it can't be taken.
Just look at what none of the Republican candidates are saying. They are saying NOTHING about what will make a material difference to this country and protect the freedoms of the individual - the so-called conservatives. They are for the few, of the few, by the few and they'll see the rest us fight like hungry dogs for the scraps that fall off their table.
The media focus' on the crazies in every event - be it the racists in the Tea Party or the freeloaders in the OWS. You want to think that's all there is to it, that's your choice.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The point is, the bankers might as well be "The Jews". Get it now? Our intellectual masters are trying to get us to attack a construct while they continue to sacrifice themselves in their tireless, public service, for their meager earnings: Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon, George Soros, Awec Bawin, et al. Such stoicism...
It's bullshit and I am not playing. And I do more than just vote.
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I disagree with this. The blame on the bankers is wholly correct and justified. However, the bankers don't deserve ALL the blame. What many people simply do not understand is that what the banks did (and still do) is not behave as banks at all, but very high risk, high leverage hedge funds. The accumulated exposure across just the top 10 banks is shocking. There is so much leveraged risk in the banking system due to credit derivatives that it simply cannot be sustained. These banks, in their relentless, reckless and unregulated chase for outrageous profits with no regard to the broader consequences have put this country and most of the nations of the world at more risk than any terrorist could ever dream of.
Millions of Americans are out of work, the VAST majority of Americans have had wage increases in the very low double digits since the 1970s but yet these banker, who produce NOTHING, who do very little good beyond retail and low level commercial banking (which is all a bank should do) have seen wage increases in the mid-triple figures.
You can blame hipsters, hippies or students who don't want to pay their loans. But in so doing, you're missing the giant point that MZB and Sharac are making - the system, in its entirety, has been rigged to the favor of the tiny percentage of this country. That tiny percent knows that they've pushed the envelope too far and are planning accordingly. They're not going to give back what they've taken, they're going to make sure it can't be taken.
Just look at what none of the Republican candidates are saying. They are saying NOTHING about what will make a material difference to this country and protect the freedoms of the individual - the so-called conservatives. They are for the few, of the few, by the few and they'll see the rest us fight like hungry dogs for the scraps that fall off their table.
The media focus' on the crazies in every event - be it the racists in the Tea Party or the freeloaders in the OWS. You want to think that's all there is to it, that's your choice.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And the irony post makes me laugh- the protestors protesting for sharing wealth refuse to share their food!
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I heard yesterday where the kitchen staff at OWS felt as though they were doing all of the work and everyone else was merely enjoying the free gourmet meals.they were discussing going to PB&J as a form of protest.
Soon enough they will have their own hierarchy and learn a few of life's lessons.
Good luck
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And the irony post makes me laugh- the protestors protesting for sharing wealth refuse to share their food!
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I heard yesterday where the kitchen staff at OWS felt as though they were doing all of the work and everyone else was merely enjoying the free gourmet meals.they were discussing going to PB&J as a form of protest.
Soon enough they will have their own hierarchy and learn a few of life's lessons.
Good luck
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the system, in its entirety, has been rigged to the favor of the tiny percentage of this country.</div></div>
With that I agree. its the tiny percentage with the ambition and work ethics to make iton their own and do make it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the system, in its entirety, has been rigged to the favor of the tiny percentage of this country.</div></div>
With that I agree. its the tiny percentage with the ambition and work ethics to make iton their own and do make it.
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The bankers only provided what Americans could not afford in the first place. Keep up with the Jones B/S started in the late 40's early 50's. It has always been a house of cards, an the truth for many is but a job lost or good riot away. Who needs 3 bathrooms, two kitchens, 6 TV's, a boat, bike, 3 cars an two trucks? All that to be a slave to perception, an eat a large amount of shit at work every day,...some life.
If educated folks are so smart, why are they losing their homes, rides, and look at what I have, shit?
Grand-dad told me once, Never trust a bank, Never buy what you can't afford, an always learn to do for yourself. Those words have always paid off.
Watched him hit a Pheasant once, then cook it on the intake an exhaust manifold of a 37 Chevy while traveling thru SD. He never wasted anything, now it's a throw away world,... for most.
The bankers only provided what Americans could not afford in the first place. Keep up with the Jones B/S started in the late 40's early 50's. It has always been a house of cards, an the truth for many is but a job lost or good riot away. Who needs 3 bathrooms, two kitchens, 6 TV's, a boat, bike, 3 cars an two trucks? All that to be a slave to perception, an eat a large amount of shit at work every day,...some life.
If educated folks are so smart, why are they losing their homes, rides, and look at what I have, shit?
Grand-dad told me once, Never trust a bank, Never buy what you can't afford, an always learn to do for yourself. Those words have always paid off.
Watched him hit a Pheasant once, then cook it on the intake an exhaust manifold of a 37 Chevy while traveling thru SD. He never wasted anything, now it's a throw away world,... for most.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the system, in its entirety, has been rigged to the favor of the tiny percentage of this country.</div></div>
With that I agree. its the tiny percentage with the ambition and work ethics to make iton their own and do make it. </div></div>
yeah, ok. YOu think they work hard and did it on their own when we the taxpayers gifted then $750 billion dollars for taking risks they couldn't and wouldn't cover with their own money? You think that's the Norman Rockwell world you think we all live in?
You think they earned being gifted billions of dollars quarterly as part of the QE rounds for which they then 'loan back' to the GOvt. at a rate of interest - essentially getting money for NOTHING and all the while they refuse to lend to small and medium sized businesses?
Go ahead, think that it's still a level playing field.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the system, in its entirety, has been rigged to the favor of the tiny percentage of this country.</div></div>
With that I agree. its the tiny percentage with the ambition and work ethics to make iton their own and do make it. </div></div>
yeah, ok. YOu think they work hard and did it on their own when we the taxpayers gifted then $750 billion dollars for taking risks they couldn't and wouldn't cover with their own money? You think that's the Norman Rockwell world you think we all live in?
You think they earned being gifted billions of dollars quarterly as part of the QE rounds for which they then 'loan back' to the GOvt. at a rate of interest - essentially getting money for NOTHING and all the while they refuse to lend to small and medium sized businesses?
Go ahead, think that it's still a level playing field.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The bankers only provided what Americans could not afford in the first place. Keep up with the Jones B/S started in the late 40's early 50's. It has always been a house of cards, an the truth for many is but a job lost or good riot away. Who needs 3 bathrooms, two kitchens, 6 TV's, a boat, bike, 3 cars an two trucks? All that to be a slave to perception, an eat a large amount of shit at work every day,...some life.
If educated folks are so smart, why are they losing their homes, rides, and look at what I have, shit?
Grand-dad told me once, Never trust a bank, Never buy what you can't afford, an always learn to do for yourself. Those words have always paid off.
Watched him hit a Pheasant once, then cook it on the intake an exhaust manifold of a 37 Chevy while traveling thru SD. He never wasted anything, now it's a throw away world,... for most. </div></div>
The binge on credit is true and it helped hide the utter lack of real wage increase.
However, the reality is this - the educated, with all their faults, are at 3% unemployed. The uneducated are at somewhere in the 10% range.
Your granddad I'm sure learnt those wise lessons the hard way and so never forgot them. I think our hard times are coming and when they get here, it'll be a big case of 'WTF - how did this happen?'. It happened because people refused to the see the devil for what he is, and what he was doing to get us all here.
I work with the tiny percentage, I know of one guy, a trader, who changed his license plate to 'bailout' because he couldn't believe his bank was just gifted money to wipe away their losses. But, he made a $3m bonus because of it. Let me spell that out.
He lost money. His bank went to the Govt. and said we need money to cover our losses. The Gov.t gave it to them (at 0% interest). He then made a $3m bonus because his 'book' was made whole and Geitner allowed the banks to mark to 'model' instead of 'market'.
This isn't the American Dream. It's gamblers playing with taxpayer's money and the only people who are allowed to lose are the taxpayers.
Wake up people!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The bankers only provided what Americans could not afford in the first place. Keep up with the Jones B/S started in the late 40's early 50's. It has always been a house of cards, an the truth for many is but a job lost or good riot away. Who needs 3 bathrooms, two kitchens, 6 TV's, a boat, bike, 3 cars an two trucks? All that to be a slave to perception, an eat a large amount of shit at work every day,...some life.
If educated folks are so smart, why are they losing their homes, rides, and look at what I have, shit?
Grand-dad told me once, Never trust a bank, Never buy what you can't afford, an always learn to do for yourself. Those words have always paid off.
Watched him hit a Pheasant once, then cook it on the intake an exhaust manifold of a 37 Chevy while traveling thru SD. He never wasted anything, now it's a throw away world,... for most. </div></div>
The binge on credit is true and it helped hide the utter lack of real wage increase.
However, the reality is this - the educated, with all their faults, are at 3% unemployed. The uneducated are at somewhere in the 10% range.
Your granddad I'm sure learnt those wise lessons the hard way and so never forgot them. I think our hard times are coming and when they get here, it'll be a big case of 'WTF - how did this happen?'. It happened because people refused to the see the devil for what he is, and what he was doing to get us all here.
I work with the tiny percentage, I know of one guy, a trader, who changed his license plate to 'bailout' because he couldn't believe his bank was just gifted money to wipe away their losses. But, he made a $3m bonus because of it. Let me spell that out.
He lost money. His bank went to the Govt. and said we need money to cover our losses. The Gov.t gave it to them (at 0% interest). He then made a $3m bonus because his 'book' was made whole and Geitner allowed the banks to mark to 'model' instead of 'market'.
This isn't the American Dream. It's gamblers playing with taxpayer's money and the only people who are allowed to lose are the taxpayers.
Wake up people!
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As usual MoZam and Sharac make the most sense. You guys are mad at these people for what exactly? At worst they're dumb and lazy. Some folks in this thread act like the hippies are spitting in their face for merely existing. People protesting don't deserve to be treated the way the establishment treats them. We need to turn some of that anger and hatred into the effort and motivation to educate ourselves and direct the hostility in the right direction. So they're misguided and ignorant? Some seem to take joy in the fact a man has to have brain surgery for being a protestor. I haven't seen any reports that has the marine actively engaging in armed conflict with the police. Any documentation of this claim?
As usual MoZam and Sharac make the most sense. You guys are mad at these people for what exactly? At worst they're dumb and lazy. Some folks in this thread act like the hippies are spitting in their face for merely existing. People protesting don't deserve to be treated the way the establishment treats them. We need to turn some of that anger and hatred into the effort and motivation to educate ourselves and direct the hostility in the right direction. So they're misguided and ignorant? Some seem to take joy in the fact a man has to have brain surgery for being a protestor. I haven't seen any reports that has the marine actively engaging in armed conflict with the police. Any documentation of this claim?
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I don't have any issue with the beat down of those who caused, or enjoyed the ride.
Where I draw the line is when the actions of those parasites start effecting those/all who have to pay for it. The best thing for that type of "It's all about me" is a real good reality check.
I don't have any issue with the beat down of those who caused, or enjoyed the ride.
Where I draw the line is when the actions of those parasites start effecting those/all who have to pay for it. The best thing for that type of "It's all about me" is a real good reality check.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have any issue with the beat down of those who caused, or enjoyed the ride.
Where I draw the line is when the actions of those parasites start effecting those/all who have to pay for it. The best thing for that type of "It's all about me" is a real good reality check. </div></div>
It seems to me that most of the protestors agree with you and the reality check they are trying to encourage is for the money changers to be held accountable for their criminal behavior. I don't know what each and every protestor believes but there are some that have articulated this and others that have perverted a conflict for their own reasons. How many times have the media stuck a microphone in front of a toothless hillbilly and claimed said hillbilly represents an issue for you as a gunowner? I feel bad the marine had to get hurt. If someone I loved got hurt for somethng they believed in, I'd be honored if it generated discourse.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have any issue with the beat down of those who caused, or enjoyed the ride.
Where I draw the line is when the actions of those parasites start effecting those/all who have to pay for it. The best thing for that type of "It's all about me" is a real good reality check. </div></div>
It seems to me that most of the protestors agree with you and the reality check they are trying to encourage is for the money changers to be held accountable for their criminal behavior. I don't know what each and every protestor believes but there are some that have articulated this and others that have perverted a conflict for their own reasons. How many times have the media stuck a microphone in front of a toothless hillbilly and claimed said hillbilly represents an issue for you as a gunowner? I feel bad the marine had to get hurt. If someone I loved got hurt for somethng they believed in, I'd be honored if it generated discourse.
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Something you guys conveniently missed is that atm everyone gets to drop their pants and some of you seem to really enjoy it because you either agree with it or find excuses for them.
Why is that so i really don't know because i thought that those who support honest work, morality and personal responsibility WOULD BE all over the stuff your government and banksters (and no that does not mean your local bank clerk but specific big/old houses/persons) but i guess those at the bottom and those "parasites" are only one really protesting others (like some here) are to busy doing nothing and being all comfy - thats about to change mind you...
As to the Europe PLEASE don't get me started on this pathetic exercise in futility. Myself went from Yugoslavia to EU in 30 years only to find out Y=EU on steroids with a <insert your random > 2 factor here> worse economy, politics, culture and just about anything you can imagine. And just for info see how Yugo ended - was pretty fun though plenty of movers to practice your dope on and for movers plenty of cardio workout. (that last part was sarcastic if someone from ex. is reading this...)
So no i'm not dissing you Americans or being smart just for the sake of it but just because i'm frustrated that people (everywhere btw) who are totally honest and most likely above average intelligence making the same mistakes ours fathers and many before them made and that is NOT IDENTIFYING THE REAL ENEMY. Would you rather cure symptom (hippies, commies, free lunch mentality) or rather cure the cause (lack of morality, plain and simple evil, lying and conspiring to steal as much as possible etc...) or maybe just do an Ostridge and hope for the best...
Something you guys conveniently missed is that atm everyone gets to drop their pants and some of you seem to really enjoy it because you either agree with it or find excuses for them.
Why is that so i really don't know because i thought that those who support honest work, morality and personal responsibility WOULD BE all over the stuff your government and banksters (and no that does not mean your local bank clerk but specific big/old houses/persons) but i guess those at the bottom and those "parasites" are only one really protesting others (like some here) are to busy doing nothing and being all comfy - thats about to change mind you...
As to the Europe PLEASE don't get me started on this pathetic exercise in futility. Myself went from Yugoslavia to EU in 30 years only to find out Y=EU on steroids with a <insert your random > 2 factor here> worse economy, politics, culture and just about anything you can imagine. And just for info see how Yugo ended - was pretty fun though plenty of movers to practice your dope on and for movers plenty of cardio workout. (that last part was sarcastic if someone from ex. is reading this...)
So no i'm not dissing you Americans or being smart just for the sake of it but just because i'm frustrated that people (everywhere btw) who are totally honest and most likely above average intelligence making the same mistakes ours fathers and many before them made and that is NOT IDENTIFYING THE REAL ENEMY. Would you rather cure symptom (hippies, commies, free lunch mentality) or rather cure the cause (lack of morality, plain and simple evil, lying and conspiring to steal as much as possible etc...) or maybe just do an Ostridge and hope for the best...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Something you guys conveniently missed is that atm everyone gets to drop their pants and some of you seem to really enjoy it because you either agree with it or find excuses for them.
Why is that so i really don't know because i thought that those who support honest work, morality and personal responsibility WOULD BE all over the stuff your government and banksters (and no that does not mean your local bank clerk but specific big/old houses/persons) but i guess those at the bottom and those "parasites" are only one really protesting others (like some here) are to busy doing nothing and being all comfy - thats about to change mind you...
As to the Europe PLEASE don't get me started on this pathetic exercise in futility. Myself went from Yugoslavia to EU in 30 years only to find out Y=EU on steroids with a <insert your random > 2 factor here> worse economy, politics, culture and just about anything you can imagine. And just for info see how Yugo ended - was pretty fun though plenty of movers to practice your dope on and for movers plenty of cardio workout. (that last part was sarcastic if someone from ex. is reading this...)
So no i'm not dissing you Americans or being smart just for the sake of it but just because i'm frustrated that people (everywhere btw) who are totally honest and most likely above average intelligence making the same mistakes ours fathers and many before them made and that is NOT IDENTIFYING THE REAL ENEMY. Would you rather cure symptom (hippies, commies, free lunch mentality) or rather cure the cause (lack of morality, plain and simple evil, lying and conspiring to steal as much as possible etc...) or maybe just do an Ostridge and hope for the best... </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Something you guys conveniently missed is that atm everyone gets to drop their pants and some of you seem to really enjoy it because you either agree with it or find excuses for them.
Why is that so i really don't know because i thought that those who support honest work, morality and personal responsibility WOULD BE all over the stuff your government and banksters (and no that does not mean your local bank clerk but specific big/old houses/persons) but i guess those at the bottom and those "parasites" are only one really protesting others (like some here) are to busy doing nothing and being all comfy - thats about to change mind you...
As to the Europe PLEASE don't get me started on this pathetic exercise in futility. Myself went from Yugoslavia to EU in 30 years only to find out Y=EU on steroids with a <insert your random > 2 factor here> worse economy, politics, culture and just about anything you can imagine. And just for info see how Yugo ended - was pretty fun though plenty of movers to practice your dope on and for movers plenty of cardio workout. (that last part was sarcastic if someone from ex. is reading this...)
So no i'm not dissing you Americans or being smart just for the sake of it but just because i'm frustrated that people (everywhere btw) who are totally honest and most likely above average intelligence making the same mistakes ours fathers and many before them made and that is NOT IDENTIFYING THE REAL ENEMY. Would you rather cure symptom (hippies, commies, free lunch mentality) or rather cure the cause (lack of morality, plain and simple evil, lying and conspiring to steal as much as possible etc...) or maybe just do an Ostridge and hope for the best... </div></div>
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Wow I am actually surprised at the people who would support socialism on this website. Thats what the whole group of them want! here is a news flash for you all if you want to be mad at someone be mad at the government for the lax regulation on housing loans.
You all think you would have done any different from the "banks" when faced with millions possibly billions. People have nobody to blame but themselves as far as unpayable debt goes, nobody held a gun to their head to take out loans they couldn't handle. Nobody told them that their job wasn't going anywhere. That ex-marine was breaking the law one way or another, guilty by association. If an officer intentionaly shot him in the head that is one thing, but being in the wrong place rids that guy of any sympathy I would have given. You all are no better than the lousy politicians that suck up to these lowlifes.
Wow I am actually surprised at the people who would support socialism on this website. Thats what the whole group of them want! here is a news flash for you all if you want to be mad at someone be mad at the government for the lax regulation on housing loans.
You all think you would have done any different from the "banks" when faced with millions possibly billions. People have nobody to blame but themselves as far as unpayable debt goes, nobody held a gun to their head to take out loans they couldn't handle. Nobody told them that their job wasn't going anywhere. That ex-marine was breaking the law one way or another, guilty by association. If an officer intentionaly shot him in the head that is one thing, but being in the wrong place rids that guy of any sympathy I would have given. You all are no better than the lousy politicians that suck up to these lowlifes.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have any issue with the beat down of those who caused, or enjoyed the ride.
Where I draw the line is when the actions of those parasites start effecting those/all who have to pay for it. The best thing for that type of "It's all about me" is a real good reality check. </div></div>
It seems to me that most of the protestors agree with you and the reality check they are trying to encourage is for the money changers to be held accountable for their criminal behavior. I don't know what each and every protestor believes but there are some that have articulated this and others that have perverted a conflict for their own reasons. How many times have the media stuck a microphone in front of a toothless hillbilly and claimed said hillbilly represents an issue for you as a gunowner? I feel bad the marine had to get hurt. If someone I loved got hurt for somethng they believed in, I'd be honored if it generated discourse. </div></div>
We seem to be saying the same thing but at 180*.
I stand by the theory, if you don't buy in to or support the Hucksters an their spiel in the first place, your not part, nor have been part, of the problem. I'd bet the bulk of those wanting change, are the problem, and are now venting their stupid because they don't want to admit their failings. They are the ones who could not keep up with one shell an pee at lifes fair, in the first place. Then again I put nothing past either party, as the left wing an right wing are in fact attached to the same fucking,... vulture.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Immorteq</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have any issue with the beat down of those who caused, or enjoyed the ride.
Where I draw the line is when the actions of those parasites start effecting those/all who have to pay for it. The best thing for that type of "It's all about me" is a real good reality check. </div></div>
It seems to me that most of the protestors agree with you and the reality check they are trying to encourage is for the money changers to be held accountable for their criminal behavior. I don't know what each and every protestor believes but there are some that have articulated this and others that have perverted a conflict for their own reasons. How many times have the media stuck a microphone in front of a toothless hillbilly and claimed said hillbilly represents an issue for you as a gunowner? I feel bad the marine had to get hurt. If someone I loved got hurt for somethng they believed in, I'd be honored if it generated discourse. </div></div>
We seem to be saying the same thing but at 180*.
I stand by the theory, if you don't buy in to or support the Hucksters an their spiel in the first place, your not part, nor have been part, of the problem. I'd bet the bulk of those wanting change, are the problem, and are now venting their stupid because they don't want to admit their failings. They are the ones who could not keep up with one shell an pee at lifes fair, in the first place. Then again I put nothing past either party, as the left wing an right wing are in fact attached to the same fucking,... vulture.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bad Medicine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow I am actually surprised at the people who would support socialism on this website. Thats what the whole group of them want! here is a news flash for you all if you want to be mad at someone be mad at the government for the lax regulation on housing loans.
You all think you would have done any different from the "banks" when faced with millions possibly billions. People have nobody to blame but themselves as far as unpayable debt goes, nobody held a gun to their head to take out loans they couldn't handle. Nobody told them that their job wasn't going anywhere. That ex-marine was breaking the law one way or another, guilty by association. If an officer intentionaly shot him in the head that is one thing, but being in the wrong place rids that guy of any sympathy I would have given. You all are no better than the lousy politicians that suck up to these lowlifes. </div></div>
I'm not suprised you make that irrational leap. You're wrong, but leap away. Whatever you have against "them" seems more like a personal issue than anything.
Gunfighter, I don't know what they all believe. Seems some of them believe they are entitled to various crazy things, which I disagree with completely. I agree with the ones that seem able to make the connection between corruption and Wall Street and politics.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bad Medicine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow I am actually surprised at the people who would support socialism on this website. Thats what the whole group of them want! here is a news flash for you all if you want to be mad at someone be mad at the government for the lax regulation on housing loans.
You all think you would have done any different from the "banks" when faced with millions possibly billions. People have nobody to blame but themselves as far as unpayable debt goes, nobody held a gun to their head to take out loans they couldn't handle. Nobody told them that their job wasn't going anywhere. That ex-marine was breaking the law one way or another, guilty by association. If an officer intentionaly shot him in the head that is one thing, but being in the wrong place rids that guy of any sympathy I would have given. You all are no better than the lousy politicians that suck up to these lowlifes. </div></div>
I'm not suprised you make that irrational leap. You're wrong, but leap away. Whatever you have against "them" seems more like a personal issue than anything.
Gunfighter, I don't know what they all believe. Seems some of them believe they are entitled to various crazy things, which I disagree with completely. I agree with the ones that seem able to make the connection between corruption and Wall Street and politics.
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BM: With all the pun intended you wouldn't know socialism if it bit you in the ass and came for seconds....
Believe whatever you want but i strongly suggest you do some reading into the current affairs and try to find something else but Spiderman saves the elites from evil OW(l)S...
BTW: Your "finest" capitalistic bank (BoFA) just (last week i think) pulled a big Lenin on your taxpayers ass and yet somehow a druggie with Che T-Shirt and marihuana for brains is your socialistic enemy??!!! Oh boy are you (more than just you) in for a surprise in a few months/years...
BM: With all the pun intended you wouldn't know socialism if it bit you in the ass and came for seconds....
Believe whatever you want but i strongly suggest you do some reading into the current affairs and try to find something else but Spiderman saves the elites from evil OW(l)S...
BTW: Your "finest" capitalistic bank (BoFA) just (last week i think) pulled a big Lenin on your taxpayers ass and yet somehow a druggie with Che T-Shirt and marihuana for brains is your socialistic enemy??!!! Oh boy are you (more than just you) in for a surprise in a few months/years...
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There is no doubt about corruption, and I don't have issue with trying to derail that train, by any means, and I do mean, any.
However the bulk of those who now, pull the handle, are and have always gamed the system, for their backs, an wallets. This is just another attempt at making group X look like Y, when in fact they are one in the same. Same old game of both ends working against the middle. The correct answer is Who is trying and will to benefit from all this? Are they in fact not the ones who started it?
There is no doubt about corruption, and I don't have issue with trying to derail that train, by any means, and I do mean, any.
However the bulk of those who now, pull the handle, are and have always gamed the system, for their backs, an wallets. This is just another attempt at making group X look like Y, when in fact they are one in the same. Same old game of both ends working against the middle. The correct answer is Who is trying and will to benefit from all this? Are they in fact not the ones who started it?
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Frankly, the utterance, "Wall Street", is so sloppy and imprecise as to be one more indication of the manipulation of the credulous by those, (cheek and jowl funded by the very "1%" they supposedly hate) who routinely exploit them. For their own good...
Blame wall street...
As to the former Marine hit by the tear gas canister; you lay down with dogs, you get fleas.
You want a sad story about a former Marine, look here; http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafet...hooting/1194730
This story breaks my heart but the fact is, he shot a deputy. Three times! Sorry, but your former service gets you a whole lot of respect from people like myself. But there are limits.
Frankly, the utterance, "Wall Street", is so sloppy and imprecise as to be one more indication of the manipulation of the credulous by those, (cheek and jowl funded by the very "1%" they supposedly hate) who routinely exploit them. For their own good...
Blame wall street...
As to the former Marine hit by the tear gas canister; you lay down with dogs, you get fleas.
You want a sad story about a former Marine, look here; http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafet...hooting/1194730
This story breaks my heart but the fact is, he shot a deputy. Three times! Sorry, but your former service gets you a whole lot of respect from people like myself. But there are limits.
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Look man, I don't use banks anymore, I think they charge outrageous fees like overdraft fees late fees and whatever fees you want to add... I won't put my money in anything that has bank in the title I strictly use credit unions and I have had great luck with them. Like I read before stop using banks that is where it is going to hurt them, but the rebirth of woodstock doesn't get anybody with a brain excited. I am not going to be surprised when it all collapses either I know it is going to happen and if I was more prepared as far as some food storage and was in a better location near family, I would say the sooner the better so we can get it over with and move on. Do I think we should start taxing the rich absurd amounts of money to pay the poor? No I don't. As far a my definition of socialism would you like a text book answer? Because last time I checked redistribution of wealth is right on with socialism.
Look man, I don't use banks anymore, I think they charge outrageous fees like overdraft fees late fees and whatever fees you want to add... I won't put my money in anything that has bank in the title I strictly use credit unions and I have had great luck with them. Like I read before stop using banks that is where it is going to hurt them, but the rebirth of woodstock doesn't get anybody with a brain excited. I am not going to be surprised when it all collapses either I know it is going to happen and if I was more prepared as far as some food storage and was in a better location near family, I would say the sooner the better so we can get it over with and move on. Do I think we should start taxing the rich absurd amounts of money to pay the poor? No I don't. As far a my definition of socialism would you like a text book answer? Because last time I checked redistribution of wealth is right on with socialism.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no doubt about corruption, and I don't have issue with trying to derail that train, by any means, and I do mean, any.
However the bulk of those who now, pull the handle, are and have always gamed the system, for their backs, an wallets. This is just another attempt at making group X look like Y, when in fact they are one in the same. Same old game of both ends working against the middle. <span style="text-decoration: underline">The correct answer is Who is trying and will to benefit from all this? Are they in fact not the ones who started it? </span>
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This!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no doubt about corruption, and I don't have issue with trying to derail that train, by any means, and I do mean, any.
However the bulk of those who now, pull the handle, are and have always gamed the system, for their backs, an wallets. This is just another attempt at making group X look like Y, when in fact they are one in the same. Same old game of both ends working against the middle. <span style="text-decoration: underline">The correct answer is Who is trying and will to benefit from all this? Are they in fact not the ones who started it? </span>
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This!
Re: man down
I've never had any banker force me to barrow money. I never had to pay a overdraft fee if I don't write checks after I run out of money. Fact is I pretty much have gone to check cards cause (mine anyway) don't work if I don't have any money.
I never bought a house I couldn't aford. I use a little local bank and never had any problem getting them to loan me money but then I've never missed a payment with them either.
As to bank bail outs, and any other bail outs, I'm totally against them, any and all bail outs.
I remember reading somewhere about the Presuit of Happyness, never read it was guarenteed.
Socialism only works until you run out of other peoples money, and folks, we are out of other peoples money.
Thats crap about those rich people not paying their share. They pay over half the taxes and pretty close to 50% of the people dont even pay income tax. Its those that are demanding more.
I worked long and hard for my modist pensions, but to some, I have too much and should share. Sorry, they can get it just like I did.
Don't like banks, fine don't use them. Don't like XYZ Corp. don't support them....but leave me alone......its as simple as that.
I've never had any banker force me to barrow money. I never had to pay a overdraft fee if I don't write checks after I run out of money. Fact is I pretty much have gone to check cards cause (mine anyway) don't work if I don't have any money.
I never bought a house I couldn't aford. I use a little local bank and never had any problem getting them to loan me money but then I've never missed a payment with them either.
As to bank bail outs, and any other bail outs, I'm totally against them, any and all bail outs.
I remember reading somewhere about the Presuit of Happyness, never read it was guarenteed.
Socialism only works until you run out of other peoples money, and folks, we are out of other peoples money.
Thats crap about those rich people not paying their share. They pay over half the taxes and pretty close to 50% of the people dont even pay income tax. Its those that are demanding more.
I worked long and hard for my modist pensions, but to some, I have too much and should share. Sorry, they can get it just like I did.
Don't like banks, fine don't use them. Don't like XYZ Corp. don't support them....but leave me alone......its as simple as that.
Re: man down
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never had any banker force me to barrow money. I never had to pay a overdraft fee if I don't write checks after I run out of money. Fact is I pretty much have gone to check cards cause (mine anyway) don't work if I don't have any money.
I never bought a house I couldn't aford. I use a little local bank and never had any problem getting them to loan me money but then I've never missed a payment with them either.
As to bank bail outs, and any other bail outs, I'm totally against them, any and all bail outs.
I remember reading somewhere about the Presuit of Happyness, never read it was guarenteed.
Socialism only works until you run out of other peoples money, and folks, we are out of other peoples money.
Thats crap about those rich people not paying their share. They pay over half the taxes and pretty close to 50% of the people dont even pay income tax. Its those that are demanding more.
I worked long and hard for my modist pensions, but to some, I have too much and should share. Sorry, they can get it just like I did.
Don't like banks, fine don't use them. Don't like XYZ Corp. don't support them....but leave me alone......its as simple as that. </div></div>
Brilliant.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never had any banker force me to barrow money. I never had to pay a overdraft fee if I don't write checks after I run out of money. Fact is I pretty much have gone to check cards cause (mine anyway) don't work if I don't have any money.
I never bought a house I couldn't aford. I use a little local bank and never had any problem getting them to loan me money but then I've never missed a payment with them either.
As to bank bail outs, and any other bail outs, I'm totally against them, any and all bail outs.
I remember reading somewhere about the Presuit of Happyness, never read it was guarenteed.
Socialism only works until you run out of other peoples money, and folks, we are out of other peoples money.
Thats crap about those rich people not paying their share. They pay over half the taxes and pretty close to 50% of the people dont even pay income tax. Its those that are demanding more.
I worked long and hard for my modist pensions, but to some, I have too much and should share. Sorry, they can get it just like I did.
Don't like banks, fine don't use them. Don't like XYZ Corp. don't support them....but leave me alone......its as simple as that. </div></div>
Brilliant.
Re: man down
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never had any banker force me to barrow money. I never had to pay a overdraft fee if I don't write checks after I run out of money. Fact is I pretty much have gone to check cards cause (mine anyway) don't work if I don't have any money.
I never bought a house I couldn't aford. I use a little local bank and never had any problem getting them to loan me money but then I've never missed a payment with them either.
As to bank bail outs, and any other bail outs, I'm totally against them, any and all bail outs.
I remember reading somewhere about the Presuit of Happyness, never read it was guarenteed.
Socialism only works until you run out of other peoples money, and folks, we are out of other peoples money.
Thats crap about those rich people not paying their share. They pay over half the taxes and pretty close to 50% of the people dont even pay income tax. Its those that are demanding more.
I worked long and hard for my modist pensions, but to some, I have too much and should share. Sorry, they can get it just like I did.
Don't like banks, fine don't use them. Don't like XYZ Corp. don't support them....but leave me alone......its as simple as that. </div></div>
No offense man, but the value of your money is a fraction of what you think it is/was because banks have been bending us over for going on 98 years. I live my life as you do, debt free and own my own home, and believe me I've been screwed as much as you have. It's called fractional reserve banking and inflation.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never had any banker force me to barrow money. I never had to pay a overdraft fee if I don't write checks after I run out of money. Fact is I pretty much have gone to check cards cause (mine anyway) don't work if I don't have any money.
I never bought a house I couldn't aford. I use a little local bank and never had any problem getting them to loan me money but then I've never missed a payment with them either.
As to bank bail outs, and any other bail outs, I'm totally against them, any and all bail outs.
I remember reading somewhere about the Presuit of Happyness, never read it was guarenteed.
Socialism only works until you run out of other peoples money, and folks, we are out of other peoples money.
Thats crap about those rich people not paying their share. They pay over half the taxes and pretty close to 50% of the people dont even pay income tax. Its those that are demanding more.
I worked long and hard for my modist pensions, but to some, I have too much and should share. Sorry, they can get it just like I did.
Don't like banks, fine don't use them. Don't like XYZ Corp. don't support them....but leave me alone......its as simple as that. </div></div>
No offense man, but the value of your money is a fraction of what you think it is/was because banks have been bending us over for going on 98 years. I live my life as you do, debt free and own my own home, and believe me I've been screwed as much as you have. It's called fractional reserve banking and inflation.
Re: man down
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Something you guys conveniently missed is that atm everyone gets to drop their pants and some of you seem to really enjoy it because you either agree with it or find excuses for them.
Why is that so i really don't know because i thought that those who support honest work, morality and personal responsibility WOULD BE all over the stuff your government and banksters (and no that does not mean your local bank clerk but specific big/old houses/persons) but i guess those at the bottom and those "parasites" are only one really protesting others (like some here) are to busy doing nothing and being all comfy - thats about to change mind you...
As to the Europe PLEASE don't get me started on this pathetic exercise in futility. Myself went from Yugoslavia to EU in 30 years only to find out Y=EU on steroids with a <insert your random > 2 factor here> worse economy, politics, culture and just about anything you can imagine. And just for info see how Yugo ended - was pretty fun though plenty of movers to practice your dope on and for movers plenty of cardio workout. (that last part was sarcastic if someone from ex. is reading this...)
So no i'm not dissing you Americans or being smart just for the sake of it but just because i'm frustrated that people (everywhere btw) who are totally honest and most likely above average intelligence making the same mistakes ours fathers and many before them made and that is NOT IDENTIFYING THE REAL ENEMY <span style="font-size: 14pt"> <span style="color: #FF0000">which is ignorance, which leads to fear, which leads to greed. </span> </span> . Would you rather cure symptom (hippies, commies, free lunch mentality) or rather cure the cause (lack of morality, plain and simple evil, lying and conspiring to steal as much as possible etc...) or maybe just do an Ostridge and hope for the best... </div></div>
Finished that sentence for you.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Something you guys conveniently missed is that atm everyone gets to drop their pants and some of you seem to really enjoy it because you either agree with it or find excuses for them.
Why is that so i really don't know because i thought that those who support honest work, morality and personal responsibility WOULD BE all over the stuff your government and banksters (and no that does not mean your local bank clerk but specific big/old houses/persons) but i guess those at the bottom and those "parasites" are only one really protesting others (like some here) are to busy doing nothing and being all comfy - thats about to change mind you...
As to the Europe PLEASE don't get me started on this pathetic exercise in futility. Myself went from Yugoslavia to EU in 30 years only to find out Y=EU on steroids with a <insert your random > 2 factor here> worse economy, politics, culture and just about anything you can imagine. And just for info see how Yugo ended - was pretty fun though plenty of movers to practice your dope on and for movers plenty of cardio workout. (that last part was sarcastic if someone from ex. is reading this...)
So no i'm not dissing you Americans or being smart just for the sake of it but just because i'm frustrated that people (everywhere btw) who are totally honest and most likely above average intelligence making the same mistakes ours fathers and many before them made and that is NOT IDENTIFYING THE REAL ENEMY <span style="font-size: 14pt"> <span style="color: #FF0000">which is ignorance, which leads to fear, which leads to greed. </span> </span> . Would you rather cure symptom (hippies, commies, free lunch mentality) or rather cure the cause (lack of morality, plain and simple evil, lying and conspiring to steal as much as possible etc...) or maybe just do an Ostridge and hope for the best... </div></div>
Finished that sentence for you.
Re: man down
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No offense man, but the value of your money is a fraction of what you think it is</div></div>
I don't count my riches based on the value of my money. I based on the love of my Granddaughter, My wife, my family. My ability to go out in my back yard and shoot when ever I choose. My fat basset hounds. My belgium horse that carries my lazy butt where I'm too lazy to walk.
So now I got to pay taxes to pay for the clean up of those who camp in our parks demanding more free shit.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No offense man, but the value of your money is a fraction of what you think it is</div></div>
I don't count my riches based on the value of my money. I based on the love of my Granddaughter, My wife, my family. My ability to go out in my back yard and shoot when ever I choose. My fat basset hounds. My belgium horse that carries my lazy butt where I'm too lazy to walk.
So now I got to pay taxes to pay for the clean up of those who camp in our parks demanding more free shit.
Re: man down
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No offense man, but the value of your money is a fraction of what you think it is</div></div>
I don't count my riches based on the value of my money. I based on the love of my Granddaughter, My wife, my family. My ability to go out in my back yard and shoot when ever I choose. My fat basset hounds. My belgium horse that carries my lazy butt where I'm too lazy to walk.
So now I got to pay taxes to pay for the clean up of those who camp in our parks demanding more free shit. </div></div>
My freedom.Period.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No offense man, but the value of your money is a fraction of what you think it is</div></div>
I don't count my riches based on the value of my money. I based on the love of my Granddaughter, My wife, my family. My ability to go out in my back yard and shoot when ever I choose. My fat basset hounds. My belgium horse that carries my lazy butt where I'm too lazy to walk.
So now I got to pay taxes to pay for the clean up of those who camp in our parks demanding more free shit. </div></div>
My freedom.Period.
Re: man down
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So now I got to pay taxes to pay for the clean up of those who camp in our parks demanding more free shit. </div></div>
Slavery doesn't seem to sit well with you. Good to hear. I applaud you for focusing on the positives in your life and valuing them more than possession, honestly. The point I'm making is that banks have destroyed the value of your currency intentionally and willfully and whether you participated in commerce with one is irrelevant. You suffered from that policy of a central bank.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So now I got to pay taxes to pay for the clean up of those who camp in our parks demanding more free shit. </div></div>
Slavery doesn't seem to sit well with you. Good to hear. I applaud you for focusing on the positives in your life and valuing them more than possession, honestly. The point I'm making is that banks have destroyed the value of your currency intentionally and willfully and whether you participated in commerce with one is irrelevant. You suffered from that policy of a central bank.
Re: man down
I think we're pretty much on the same page (the one right before The end
).
Stone cold fact is that we, our fathers f$#"$ up somewhere along the way and the System is kaput, vertig machen, fubared whatever and there is noone to blame but us. Like you said kraig its a dog eat dog world and if the mob can get a free lunch why blame them if we give it to them, if "banskters" steal why blame them its us who've given it to them if politicians are crooked well you've guessed it we are to blame cause we've elected them etc. ad nauseam. And finally when all the shit which bothers us comes calling we shouldn't act surprised now should we?
But i think there is no point in discussing this further as everyone knows for himself what's best the whole discussion kinda went astray from main topic which in itself is pretty irrelevant how the ex marine got a canister on canister event by probably another ex marine doing his canister dope on movers... Whole point of these rather long posts is that perhaps one should look into the mirror before casting stones around...
Just to add:
Movie Patriot...what it took to get from boring part...
I think we're pretty much on the same page (the one right before The end
).Stone cold fact is that we, our fathers f$#"$ up somewhere along the way and the System is kaput, vertig machen, fubared whatever and there is noone to blame but us. Like you said kraig its a dog eat dog world and if the mob can get a free lunch why blame them if we give it to them, if "banskters" steal why blame them its us who've given it to them if politicians are crooked well you've guessed it we are to blame cause we've elected them etc. ad nauseam. And finally when all the shit which bothers us comes calling we shouldn't act surprised now should we?
But i think there is no point in discussing this further as everyone knows for himself what's best the whole discussion kinda went astray from main topic which in itself is pretty irrelevant how the ex marine got a canister on canister event by probably another ex marine doing his canister dope on movers... Whole point of these rather long posts is that perhaps one should look into the mirror before casting stones around...
Just to add:
Movie Patriot...what it took to get from boring part...
Re: man down
One thing I think is a mind bender for most out there is to come to the understanding that the protesters, the media, ourselves to a degree, the Gov, LE, Banks - are merely actors playing a part. The script has already been written and now everyone is merely running lines.
Many around here are 'conservative' minded persons that live within their means, try to think and act in the best interest of themselves, their family, the Nation - providing that it does not injure another.
We might even say that those that did not live within their means are responsible for their own actions and have little empathy for them. Not saying that isn't a correct thought mind you, but zoom out for a second:
Consider how central banks work. If you aren't familiar with them may I suggest The Creature From Jekyll Island. Regardless, know that the basic game is simple - the gov allows the FED to create money and charge the tax payer interest. Commercial banks buy money from the FED, local banks buy from the commercial banks, local banks loan to you and me. Interest is charged at every step along the way and ultimately we are responsible for every last dollar of it. Cheap credit = increased economic activity = perception of 'good times' = political wins. The biggest commercial banks play a game wherein risky loans are made, they go bad, it becomes a critical issue to the nation, the loan is recapitalized and reamortized (again with printed money that the tax payer pays the vig on from day one - and guarantees via the Treasury against it going bad). When it does go bad, the commercial banks are able to either be made whole and jettison out first (Solyndra) or skim the profitable assets off and leave the taxpayer with the underperforming crap (Penn Central Rail -> Emergency Rail Services Act of 1970 - with $125 million in loan guarantees -> leading to the split of the performing asset for the bank - CONRAIL, and the crap for the taxpayer - AMTRAK).
Again - Congress instructs private banks (the FED) to increase the money supply - and we all pay the interest on that money. In addition to that problem, we don't know how much money they have created. What we do know? Every single dollar has debt service on it - and WE are responsible for it. Did you know that we printed [url="http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3"]http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3[/url]. The FED has and continues to give Congress and the American taxpayer the finger when the request is made to fully audit them and discover exactly how much we are on the hook for. BTW - when we talk about GDP, understand that @ 14% of our total GDP is debt service on the National debt (or at least the balance owed that is public). Think about that for a minute and what it really means.
When you all do your taxes this spring really look at it them - esp if you are self employed. The savings which take you from Gross to Adjusted Gross to Taxable have a lot to do with how much money you spend on goods and services that the Gov wants you to spend money on. There is favorable treatment for those that pump money back into the econ in key product sectors. B/c of the debt - the last thing the Gov wants to foster is a Nation of savers.
The media plays their part too - we are the hands down masters of the planet at getting people to buy crap they don't need, from a talking fish on the wall to bubble levels that we place on our optics. Is it any wonder a high percentage of people were manipulated into buying an H2 with 24" wheels as a 3rd vehicle and living in a home that they had absolutely no business owning? Did it translate into political wins for everyone involved? Did it generate untold wealth for those that oversaw credit?
Yes there is a significant portion of the population that did some amazingly irresponsible things b/c they were ignorant and easily misled. Unfortunately - we are all responsible for all of that debt now. However and by the same token - what about all of us that accept that the FED can heap debt on the taxpayer and the Gov will act as an element of force to compel us individually and collectively to pay up? Is there a level of ignorance and irresponsibility there too?
The D bags in the park? Yeah they are scripted too. Their role is to divide us and divert our attention away from what is really going on.
Good luck
One thing I think is a mind bender for most out there is to come to the understanding that the protesters, the media, ourselves to a degree, the Gov, LE, Banks - are merely actors playing a part. The script has already been written and now everyone is merely running lines.
Many around here are 'conservative' minded persons that live within their means, try to think and act in the best interest of themselves, their family, the Nation - providing that it does not injure another.
We might even say that those that did not live within their means are responsible for their own actions and have little empathy for them. Not saying that isn't a correct thought mind you, but zoom out for a second:
Consider how central banks work. If you aren't familiar with them may I suggest The Creature From Jekyll Island. Regardless, know that the basic game is simple - the gov allows the FED to create money and charge the tax payer interest. Commercial banks buy money from the FED, local banks buy from the commercial banks, local banks loan to you and me. Interest is charged at every step along the way and ultimately we are responsible for every last dollar of it. Cheap credit = increased economic activity = perception of 'good times' = political wins. The biggest commercial banks play a game wherein risky loans are made, they go bad, it becomes a critical issue to the nation, the loan is recapitalized and reamortized (again with printed money that the tax payer pays the vig on from day one - and guarantees via the Treasury against it going bad). When it does go bad, the commercial banks are able to either be made whole and jettison out first (Solyndra) or skim the profitable assets off and leave the taxpayer with the underperforming crap (Penn Central Rail -> Emergency Rail Services Act of 1970 - with $125 million in loan guarantees -> leading to the split of the performing asset for the bank - CONRAIL, and the crap for the taxpayer - AMTRAK).
Again - Congress instructs private banks (the FED) to increase the money supply - and we all pay the interest on that money. In addition to that problem, we don't know how much money they have created. What we do know? Every single dollar has debt service on it - and WE are responsible for it. Did you know that we printed [url="http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3"]http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3[/url]. The FED has and continues to give Congress and the American taxpayer the finger when the request is made to fully audit them and discover exactly how much we are on the hook for. BTW - when we talk about GDP, understand that @ 14% of our total GDP is debt service on the National debt (or at least the balance owed that is public). Think about that for a minute and what it really means.
When you all do your taxes this spring really look at it them - esp if you are self employed. The savings which take you from Gross to Adjusted Gross to Taxable have a lot to do with how much money you spend on goods and services that the Gov wants you to spend money on. There is favorable treatment for those that pump money back into the econ in key product sectors. B/c of the debt - the last thing the Gov wants to foster is a Nation of savers.
The media plays their part too - we are the hands down masters of the planet at getting people to buy crap they don't need, from a talking fish on the wall to bubble levels that we place on our optics. Is it any wonder a high percentage of people were manipulated into buying an H2 with 24" wheels as a 3rd vehicle and living in a home that they had absolutely no business owning? Did it translate into political wins for everyone involved? Did it generate untold wealth for those that oversaw credit?
Yes there is a significant portion of the population that did some amazingly irresponsible things b/c they were ignorant and easily misled. Unfortunately - we are all responsible for all of that debt now. However and by the same token - what about all of us that accept that the FED can heap debt on the taxpayer and the Gov will act as an element of force to compel us individually and collectively to pay up? Is there a level of ignorance and irresponsibility there too?
The D bags in the park? Yeah they are scripted too. Their role is to divide us and divert our attention away from what is really going on.
Good luck
Re: man down
While Im all for personal responsibility, and owning your own mistakes, ask yourself who created/owns/operates the Fed. Might look there for somr culpability, but thats another firestorm.
Then ask your self, considering the answer to the first question, what could their ultimate motive be?
While Im all for personal responsibility, and owning your own mistakes, ask yourself who created/owns/operates the Fed. Might look there for somr culpability, but thats another firestorm.
Then ask your self, considering the answer to the first question, what could their ultimate motive be?
Re: man down
I have started my own movement. Hillbilly Anarchy.
We occupy taverns and parade at Walmart. We picket against indoor plumbing, breeding outside of the family and personal hygiene.
Good times, man.
I have started my own movement. Hillbilly Anarchy.
We occupy taverns and parade at Walmart. We picket against indoor plumbing, breeding outside of the family and personal hygiene.
Good times, man.
Re: man down
I do my taxes every quarter, every two weeks and then on April 15th. No mystery to me that the Gov, at all levels, takes a deep bite.
What gets my ire up the most is the fraud perpetrated by government types when that pretend to be public servants with no personal interest for their own welfare or remuneration. Much like universities and other "Non-Profit" institutions whose staffs are laden with lavish salaries, benefits, tenure and pensions.
No material motivation, of course, only because they employ euphemisisms to describe their avocations and expect the rest of us to accept their "Sacrifice"...
I'll accept this position from the nuns I know who taught my children: They actually took a vow of poverty and I see that they live it.
The rest of us seek remuneration for our toil. Only some of us are willing to admit it. Freeloaders claiming to speak for me need not apply.
I do my taxes every quarter, every two weeks and then on April 15th. No mystery to me that the Gov, at all levels, takes a deep bite.
What gets my ire up the most is the fraud perpetrated by government types when that pretend to be public servants with no personal interest for their own welfare or remuneration. Much like universities and other "Non-Profit" institutions whose staffs are laden with lavish salaries, benefits, tenure and pensions.
No material motivation, of course, only because they employ euphemisisms to describe their avocations and expect the rest of us to accept their "Sacrifice"...
I'll accept this position from the nuns I know who taught my children: They actually took a vow of poverty and I see that they live it.
The rest of us seek remuneration for our toil. Only some of us are willing to admit it. Freeloaders claiming to speak for me need not apply.
Re: man down
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have started my own movement. Hillbilly Anarchy.
We occupy taverns and parade at Walmart. We picket against indoor plumbing, breeding outside of the family and personal hygiene.
Good times, man. </div></div>
The tree of sumpin sumpin sumpin some such shit! Yeeehaww!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have started my own movement. Hillbilly Anarchy.
We occupy taverns and parade at Walmart. We picket against indoor plumbing, breeding outside of the family and personal hygiene.
Good times, man. </div></div>
The tree of sumpin sumpin sumpin some such shit! Yeeehaww!
Re: man down
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As usual MoZam and Sharac make the most sense.</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">Not so much!</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys are mad at these people for what exactly? At worst they're dumb and lazy.</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">Uh, lets see, for being useless vermin that contribute nothing to our society or the human race. Because they are hypocritical freeloading mooches who have a sense of entitlement and because they're dumb and lazy. That's just off the top of my head.
</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some folks in this thread act like the hippies are spitting in their face for merely existing.</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">They are actually. Where have you been?
</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People protesting don't deserve to be treated the way the establishment treats them.</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">Well if by "protesting" you mean squatting on private property, blocking traffic, setting fires, destroying property, defecating in the streets, drug use, rioting, assaulting police officers and general anarchy then I have to disagree with you. They deserve whatever they get. If that includes a 40mm baton round to the side of the head, then so be it.
</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We need to turn some of that anger and hatred into the effort and motivation to educate ourselves and direct the hostility in the right direction.</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">I completely agree with you, now you tell them that.</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So they're misguided and ignorant?</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">And you see nothing wrong with that? This is supposed to be the future of America.</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some seem to take joy in the fact a man has to have brain surgery for being a protestor.</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">He wasn't merely a protester, more like an anarchist. That being said, I don't take joy in what happened to him but I feel no sympathy for him either. He did it to himself. Furthermore he DIDN'T have brain surgery. Nice try though trying to sensationalize it.
</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't seen any reports that has the marine actively engaging in armed conflict with the police. Any documentation of this claim?</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">Is there any non-biased documentation that proves he wasn't?</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As usual MoZam and Sharac make the most sense.</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">Not so much!</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys are mad at these people for what exactly? At worst they're dumb and lazy.</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">Uh, lets see, for being useless vermin that contribute nothing to our society or the human race. Because they are hypocritical freeloading mooches who have a sense of entitlement and because they're dumb and lazy. That's just off the top of my head.
</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some folks in this thread act like the hippies are spitting in their face for merely existing.</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">They are actually. Where have you been?
</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People protesting don't deserve to be treated the way the establishment treats them.</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">Well if by "protesting" you mean squatting on private property, blocking traffic, setting fires, destroying property, defecating in the streets, drug use, rioting, assaulting police officers and general anarchy then I have to disagree with you. They deserve whatever they get. If that includes a 40mm baton round to the side of the head, then so be it.
</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We need to turn some of that anger and hatred into the effort and motivation to educate ourselves and direct the hostility in the right direction.</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">I completely agree with you, now you tell them that.</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So they're misguided and ignorant?</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">And you see nothing wrong with that? This is supposed to be the future of America.</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some seem to take joy in the fact a man has to have brain surgery for being a protestor.</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">He wasn't merely a protester, more like an anarchist. That being said, I don't take joy in what happened to him but I feel no sympathy for him either. He did it to himself. Furthermore he DIDN'T have brain surgery. Nice try though trying to sensationalize it.
</span>
Immorteq writes,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't seen any reports that has the marine actively engaging in armed conflict with the police. Any documentation of this claim?</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">Is there any non-biased documentation that proves he wasn't?</span>
Re: man down
he was not involved in the violent protest - he was standing still roughly 10ft infront of the police line
if you think that Occupy movement is about anarchy you should educate yourselves
even if the headshot was accidental the tossed in flash grenade or whatever it was when people were trying to help him was not - and was not used against violent protesters
all of the ignorant and anti-american post about "screw him hes an idiot for being there or its his own fault type post" it is his constitutional right to assemble in a public place and to protest whatever he feels he should protest
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism
he was not involved in the violent protest - he was standing still roughly 10ft infront of the police line
if you think that Occupy movement is about anarchy you should educate yourselves
even if the headshot was accidental the tossed in flash grenade or whatever it was when people were trying to help him was not - and was not used against violent protesters
all of the ignorant and anti-american post about "screw him hes an idiot for being there or its his own fault type post" it is his constitutional right to assemble in a public place and to protest whatever he feels he should protest
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism
Re: man down
So am I to believe that the police just opened up with the tear gas out of the clear blue sky? No one saw it coming? No orders/warnings to disperse were being issued & ignored?
Yeah, that crowd was just a bunch of innocent and compliant people.
That guy was a Marine. You think if his squad told a group to disperse, that his fellow Marines would have just kept smiling if approached by antagonistic individuals? I highly doubt it.
So am I to believe that the police just opened up with the tear gas out of the clear blue sky? No one saw it coming? No orders/warnings to disperse were being issued & ignored?
Yeah, that crowd was just a bunch of innocent and compliant people.
That guy was a Marine. You think if his squad told a group to disperse, that his fellow Marines would have just kept smiling if approached by antagonistic individuals? I highly doubt it.
Re: man down
If the people protesting showed up on their own and said "We don't have a job!! Fix this country" then I could respect that.
But when a socialist commmie like George Soros and moveon.org finance a protest and then go hire people to protest- the protestors lose their meaning.
That is why people are pissed off.
If the people protesting showed up on their own and said "We don't have a job!! Fix this country" then I could respect that.
But when a socialist commmie like George Soros and moveon.org finance a protest and then go hire people to protest- the protestors lose their meaning.
That is why people are pissed off.
Re: man down
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The point is, the bankers might as well be "The Jews". Get it now? Our intellectual masters are trying to get us to attack a construct while they continue to sacrifice themselves in their tireless, public service, for their meager earnings: Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon, George Soros, Awec Bawin, et al. Such stoicism...
It's bullshit and I am not playing. And I do more than just vote.
</div></div>
I disagree with this. The blame on the bankers is wholly correct and justified. However, the bankers don't deserve ALL the blame. What many people simply do not understand is that what the banks did (and still do) is not behave as banks at all, but very high risk, high leverage hedge funds. The accumulated exposure across just the top 10 banks is shocking. There is so much leveraged risk in the banking system due to credit derivatives that it simply cannot be sustained. These banks, in their relentless, reckless and unregulated chase for outrageous profits with no regard to the broader consequences have put this country and most of the nations of the world at more risk than any terrorist could ever dream of.
Millions of Americans are out of work, the VAST majority of Americans have had wage increases in the very low double digits since the 1970s but yet these banker, who produce NOTHING, who do very little good beyond retail and low level commercial banking (which is all a bank should do) have seen wage increases in the mid-triple figures.
You can blame hipsters, hippies or students who don't want to pay their loans. But in so doing, you're missing the giant point that MZB and Sharac are making - the system, in its entirety, has been rigged to the favor of the tiny percentage of this country. That tiny percent knows that they've pushed the envelope too far and are planning accordingly. They're not going to give back what they've taken, they're going to make sure it can't be taken.
Just look at what none of the Republican candidates are saying. They are saying NOTHING about what will make a material difference to this country and protect the freedoms of the individual - the so-called conservatives. They are for the few, of the few, by the few and they'll see the rest us fight like hungry dogs for the scraps that fall off their table.
The media focus' on the crazies in every event - be it the racists in the Tea Party or the freeloaders in the OWS. You want to think that's all there is to it, that's your choice.</div></div>
free market... how does it work?
what do you care what a CEO makes. if you dont like it, dont buy their products.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The point is, the bankers might as well be "The Jews". Get it now? Our intellectual masters are trying to get us to attack a construct while they continue to sacrifice themselves in their tireless, public service, for their meager earnings: Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon, George Soros, Awec Bawin, et al. Such stoicism...
It's bullshit and I am not playing. And I do more than just vote.
</div></div>
I disagree with this. The blame on the bankers is wholly correct and justified. However, the bankers don't deserve ALL the blame. What many people simply do not understand is that what the banks did (and still do) is not behave as banks at all, but very high risk, high leverage hedge funds. The accumulated exposure across just the top 10 banks is shocking. There is so much leveraged risk in the banking system due to credit derivatives that it simply cannot be sustained. These banks, in their relentless, reckless and unregulated chase for outrageous profits with no regard to the broader consequences have put this country and most of the nations of the world at more risk than any terrorist could ever dream of.
Millions of Americans are out of work, the VAST majority of Americans have had wage increases in the very low double digits since the 1970s but yet these banker, who produce NOTHING, who do very little good beyond retail and low level commercial banking (which is all a bank should do) have seen wage increases in the mid-triple figures.
You can blame hipsters, hippies or students who don't want to pay their loans. But in so doing, you're missing the giant point that MZB and Sharac are making - the system, in its entirety, has been rigged to the favor of the tiny percentage of this country. That tiny percent knows that they've pushed the envelope too far and are planning accordingly. They're not going to give back what they've taken, they're going to make sure it can't be taken.
Just look at what none of the Republican candidates are saying. They are saying NOTHING about what will make a material difference to this country and protect the freedoms of the individual - the so-called conservatives. They are for the few, of the few, by the few and they'll see the rest us fight like hungry dogs for the scraps that fall off their table.
The media focus' on the crazies in every event - be it the racists in the Tea Party or the freeloaders in the OWS. You want to think that's all there is to it, that's your choice.</div></div>
free market... how does it work?
what do you care what a CEO makes. if you dont like it, dont buy their products.
Re: man down
so much anger is direct at the bankers, when it is the government who is enabling their behavior, and in some cases forcing it, by making the banks issue loans to bad credit risks.
bailing out banks and businesses should never have happened. in the free market, if a company makes a bad investment it goes under. and a more efficient business replaces it
the left is angry at wall street, and the right is angry at the OWS crowd and the renewed cries for higher taxes.
what both sides are neglecting is the root of the problem. the government. we need to have accountability with our elected officials. they have been reckless with out economy and now we all are paying the price.
so much anger is direct at the bankers, when it is the government who is enabling their behavior, and in some cases forcing it, by making the banks issue loans to bad credit risks.
bailing out banks and businesses should never have happened. in the free market, if a company makes a bad investment it goes under. and a more efficient business replaces it
the left is angry at wall street, and the right is angry at the OWS crowd and the renewed cries for higher taxes.
what both sides are neglecting is the root of the problem. the government. we need to have accountability with our elected officials. they have been reckless with out economy and now we all are paying the price.
Re: man down
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Intrepid4576</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he was not involved in the violent protest - he was standing still roughly 10ft infront of the police line
if you think that Occupy movement is about anarchy you should educate yourselves
even if the headshot was accidental the tossed in flash grenade or whatever it was when people were trying to help him was not - and was not used against violent protesters
all of the ignorant and anti-american post about "screw him hes an idiot for being there or its his own fault type post" it is his constitutional right to assemble in a public place and to protest whatever he feels he should protest
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism
</div></div>
Bull-fucking-shit! Did you even watch the news coverage of what happened in Oakland or are you just choosing to ignore it? The streets were on fire. Literally on fire. The police were being pelted with rocks, bottles, bricks and burning dumpsters. It was a riot. But I guess they're just supposed to stand there and take it right?
And yes the people have a right to assemble PEACEFULLY! Not act like animals in the street. What happened in Oakland was pure anarchy. I only wish the administration here in NY would have the balls to follow Oakland's lead.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Intrepid4576</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he was not involved in the violent protest - he was standing still roughly 10ft infront of the police line
if you think that Occupy movement is about anarchy you should educate yourselves
even if the headshot was accidental the tossed in flash grenade or whatever it was when people were trying to help him was not - and was not used against violent protesters
all of the ignorant and anti-american post about "screw him hes an idiot for being there or its his own fault type post" it is his constitutional right to assemble in a public place and to protest whatever he feels he should protest
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism
</div></div>
Bull-fucking-shit! Did you even watch the news coverage of what happened in Oakland or are you just choosing to ignore it? The streets were on fire. Literally on fire. The police were being pelted with rocks, bottles, bricks and burning dumpsters. It was a riot. But I guess they're just supposed to stand there and take it right?
And yes the people have a right to assemble PEACEFULLY! Not act like animals in the street. What happened in Oakland was pure anarchy. I only wish the administration here in NY would have the balls to follow Oakland's lead.
Re: man down
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the people protesting showed up on their own and said "We don't have a job!! Fix this country" then I could respect that.
But when a socialist commmie like George Soros and moveon.org finance a protest and then go hire people to protest- the protestors lose their meaning.
That is why people are pissed off. </div></div>
I didn't know Soros was that involved. I share your opinion of him.
Slapchop's zeal is a little disturbing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the people protesting showed up on their own and said "We don't have a job!! Fix this country" then I could respect that.
But when a socialist commmie like George Soros and moveon.org finance a protest and then go hire people to protest- the protestors lose their meaning.
That is why people are pissed off. </div></div>
I didn't know Soros was that involved. I share your opinion of him.
Slapchop's zeal is a little disturbing.
Re: man down
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Intrepid4576</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he was not involved in the violent protest - he was standing still roughly 10ft infront of the police line
if you think that Occupy movement is about anarchy you should educate yourselves
even if the headshot was accidental the tossed in flash grenade or whatever it was when people were trying to help him was not - and was not used against violent protesters
all of the ignorant and anti-american post about "screw him hes an idiot for being there or its his own fault type post" it is his constitutional right to assemble in a public place and to protest whatever he feels he should protest
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism
</div></div>
Bull-fucking-shit! Did you even watch the news coverage of what happened in Oakland or are you just choosing to ignore it? The streets were on fire. Literally on fire. The police were being pelted with rocks, bottles, bricks and burning dumpsters. It was a riot. But I guess they're just supposed to stand there and take it right?
And yes the people have a right to assemble PEACEFULLY! Not act like animals in the street. What happened in Oakland was pure anarchy. I only wish the administration here in NY would have the balls to follow Oakland's lead. </div></div>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHlHiNEZ1wA
police use for force was justified.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Intrepid4576</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he was not involved in the violent protest - he was standing still roughly 10ft infront of the police line
if you think that Occupy movement is about anarchy you should educate yourselves
even if the headshot was accidental the tossed in flash grenade or whatever it was when people were trying to help him was not - and was not used against violent protesters
all of the ignorant and anti-american post about "screw him hes an idiot for being there or its his own fault type post" it is his constitutional right to assemble in a public place and to protest whatever he feels he should protest
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism
</div></div>
Bull-fucking-shit! Did you even watch the news coverage of what happened in Oakland or are you just choosing to ignore it? The streets were on fire. Literally on fire. The police were being pelted with rocks, bottles, bricks and burning dumpsters. It was a riot. But I guess they're just supposed to stand there and take it right?
And yes the people have a right to assemble PEACEFULLY! Not act like animals in the street. What happened in Oakland was pure anarchy. I only wish the administration here in NY would have the balls to follow Oakland's lead. </div></div>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHlHiNEZ1wA
police use for force was justified.
Re: man down
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000">He wasn't merely a protester, more like an anarchist. That being said, I don't take joy in what happened to him but I feel no sympathy for him either. He did it to himself. Furthermore he DIDN'T have brain surgery. Nice try though trying to sensationalize it.
</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't seen any reports that has the marine actively engaging in armed conflict with the police. Any documentation of this claim?</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">Is there any non-biased documentation that proves he wasn't?</span> </div></div>
Guilty until proven innocent, I see. Demand facts and defend your opinion with "Is there any non biased documentation that proves he wasn't". Interesting in a train wreck kinda way. I wasn't trying to sensationalize anything. They reported he was expected to require surgery.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/28/us-usa-wallstreet-protests-oakland-idUSTRE79Q01F20111028
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000">He wasn't merely a protester, more like an anarchist. That being said, I don't take joy in what happened to him but I feel no sympathy for him either. He did it to himself. Furthermore he DIDN'T have brain surgery. Nice try though trying to sensationalize it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't seen any reports that has the marine actively engaging in armed conflict with the police. Any documentation of this claim?</div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">Is there any non-biased documentation that proves he wasn't?</span> </div></div>
Guilty until proven innocent, I see. Demand facts and defend your opinion with "Is there any non biased documentation that proves he wasn't". Interesting in a train wreck kinda way. I wasn't trying to sensationalize anything. They reported he was expected to require surgery.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/28/us-usa-wallstreet-protests-oakland-idUSTRE79Q01F20111028
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbsinh20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's a good photo essay of the type of individuals involved in this protest...
http://zombietime.com/occupy_oakland_10-22-2011/
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That's pretty funny! Still doesn't inspire me to violence though.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbsinh20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's a good photo essay of the type of individuals involved in this protest...
http://zombietime.com/occupy_oakland_10-22-2011/
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That's pretty funny! Still doesn't inspire me to violence though.
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Slap: I agree completely they're all just vermin, fucking whole world is vermin lets fucking nuke the planet so few of us worthy ones can have a beer in peace... /sarcasm off
Won't even comment the rest, you dude (hope you're not some kind government employee with government issued "stick") are dangerous i hope you don't really mean what you say or better yet won't act on it if gotten the chance. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." quote by your AL...hope for the sake of others you don't get it ever...
As to the OWS or any "movement", techniques of derailing, exploiting masses are nothing new especially to the old boys running things so i'm not one bit surprised where the funding comes from and where the junkies and the rest of rainbow crowd. There is no better way to divide and conquer and water down the real issues, you just employ the masses from the bottom and watch the fireworks - easy. Now everyone is talking about violence, more handouts and why some have more than others and noone about the real issues. If you think your government actually is the problem thing again its only part of the problem as politicians will do anything to get reelected (read give out handouts to "vermin" so they are pacified and happy to vote for more handouts) and they are in symbiotic relation with banksters who (fed or ECB in EU)simply create debt out of thin air (keyboard to be exact) and when time comes collect on it via world war or something along those lines (has happened numerous times before). If some of you actually believe in free market and stocks all the other Casino crap you are really naive. There is no way one can elect NOT TO participate as everything you do/buy is taxed one way or another. http://www.shadowstats.com/ for a little info...
Slap: I agree completely they're all just vermin, fucking whole world is vermin lets fucking nuke the planet so few of us worthy ones can have a beer in peace... /sarcasm off
Won't even comment the rest, you dude (hope you're not some kind government employee with government issued "stick") are dangerous i hope you don't really mean what you say or better yet won't act on it if gotten the chance. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." quote by your AL...hope for the sake of others you don't get it ever...
As to the OWS or any "movement", techniques of derailing, exploiting masses are nothing new especially to the old boys running things so i'm not one bit surprised where the funding comes from and where the junkies and the rest of rainbow crowd. There is no better way to divide and conquer and water down the real issues, you just employ the masses from the bottom and watch the fireworks - easy. Now everyone is talking about violence, more handouts and why some have more than others and noone about the real issues. If you think your government actually is the problem thing again its only part of the problem as politicians will do anything to get reelected (read give out handouts to "vermin" so they are pacified and happy to vote for more handouts) and they are in symbiotic relation with banksters who (fed or ECB in EU)simply create debt out of thin air (keyboard to be exact) and when time comes collect on it via world war or something along those lines (has happened numerous times before). If some of you actually believe in free market and stocks all the other Casino crap you are really naive. There is no way one can elect NOT TO participate as everything you do/buy is taxed one way or another. http://www.shadowstats.com/ for a little info...
Re: man down
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Intrepid4576</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he was not involved in the violent protest - he was standing still roughly 10ft infront of the police line
if you think that Occupy movement is about anarchy you should educate yourselves
even if the headshot was accidental the tossed in flash grenade or whatever it was when people were trying to help him was not - and was not used against violent protesters
all of the ignorant and anti-american post about "screw him hes an idiot for being there or its his own fault type post" it is his constitutional right to assemble in a public place and to protest whatever he feels he should protest
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism
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Bull-fucking-shit! Did you even watch the news coverage of what happened in Oakland or are you just choosing to ignore it? The streets were on fire. Literally on fire. The police were being pelted with rocks, bottles, bricks and burning dumpsters. It was a riot. But I guess they're just supposed to stand there and take it right?
And yes the people have a right to assemble PEACEFULLY! Not act like animals in the street. What happened in Oakland was pure anarchy. I only wish the administration here in NY would have the balls to follow Oakland's lead. </div></div>
HE <------- was not involved in violent protest HE <----- was standing still 10ft (roughly) in front of the police line with no one or thing between them - there is no way to justify shooting him in the face from 10ft away let alone throwing the flashbang type grenade on him and the people trying to help him - trying to help someone who was shot in the face whilst standing still ....i dont know how you can assemble much more peacefully
this post is not about the Oakland protest its about this one incident
why do you wish NY to strip the OWS protesters of their constitutional rights? That would be no different than if they were to take all your guns...
the groups of people who want to get rid of guns and the legal gun ownership are no different than you are right now - they are just attacking a different constitutional right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARLdp600fd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmbvVPxNcuo
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Intrepid4576</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he was not involved in the violent protest - he was standing still roughly 10ft infront of the police line
if you think that Occupy movement is about anarchy you should educate yourselves
even if the headshot was accidental the tossed in flash grenade or whatever it was when people were trying to help him was not - and was not used against violent protesters
all of the ignorant and anti-american post about "screw him hes an idiot for being there or its his own fault type post" it is his constitutional right to assemble in a public place and to protest whatever he feels he should protest
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism
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Bull-fucking-shit! Did you even watch the news coverage of what happened in Oakland or are you just choosing to ignore it? The streets were on fire. Literally on fire. The police were being pelted with rocks, bottles, bricks and burning dumpsters. It was a riot. But I guess they're just supposed to stand there and take it right?
And yes the people have a right to assemble PEACEFULLY! Not act like animals in the street. What happened in Oakland was pure anarchy. I only wish the administration here in NY would have the balls to follow Oakland's lead. </div></div>
HE <------- was not involved in violent protest HE <----- was standing still 10ft (roughly) in front of the police line with no one or thing between them - there is no way to justify shooting him in the face from 10ft away let alone throwing the flashbang type grenade on him and the people trying to help him - trying to help someone who was shot in the face whilst standing still ....i dont know how you can assemble much more peacefully
this post is not about the Oakland protest its about this one incident
why do you wish NY to strip the OWS protesters of their constitutional rights? That would be no different than if they were to take all your guns...
the groups of people who want to get rid of guns and the legal gun ownership are no different than you are right now - they are just attacking a different constitutional right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARLdp600fd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmbvVPxNcuo
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