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Manners vs McMillan?

Re: Manners vs McMillan?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What 427 said about what Rob said........ </div></div>

What I said...... </div></div>


I'm with them......</div></div>

Yeah me too!
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

I'm personally a fan of McMillan, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Manners. I just like the molded in finishes better than painted on finishes. If Manners came out with some molded in colors, I'd pick one up.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

I own both and like them both. Either choice you will be happy with.

I like a traditional style grip. So I have a Mcst and Adj Htg. Pros and cons to both

MCST has a nice high comb with a great feel ( blows a standard HTG out the water IMO).
Mcst lacks molded in colors ( For Now)

Adj Htg is hands down better than the horrible comb on the standard
Has molded in colors!!!
Adj Htg hardware for the cheekpiecd is basicaly junk. You will have to modify it to keep the screws from coming loose. McM should have fixed this problem buy now!! ( Manners just did with KMW hardware)

Both are strong and will last forever. The two best manufactures of stocks for sure.

Oh and the paint from Manners is extremely tough!!!
I will continue to give them both bussiness.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

I own many of both and if it came down to which one I personally like better its Manners. Plus Manners customer service is Top Shelf and supporting SnipersHide is a big plus too in my book.

Come on T5A LOL
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

.257,

We have a new version of the integral adjustable cheek piece hardware. Its been out for about 4 months now. Its a clamp system like the KMW.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

I like the McMillan A3, for the forend and the thinner grip. I also like Manners T2A, but it's thicker up front and around the hand.

I like the finish, color options and the paint on the McMillans. The weakness in their stocks, and where they save money, is in the standard cheek hardware. Nothing beats Terry's loggerhead stuff.

I won't comment on the new clamp system mentioned above by Ryan because I haven't seen it and I don't know how similiar it is to the KMW.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

Mr. Win,

Why would you not install the actual KMW hardware instead of copying something close to it?

After years of knowing that your hardware was troublsome, why does McMillan suddenly address it. I know that there are a lot of people sticking the kmw hardware in your stocks because your parts didn't work.

To suddenly address it now and to use a system like kmw developed instead of just buying and using theirs is bad form in my opinion.

I got to see some of your new hardware in oklahoma a few weeks ago and it doesn't look like what should come in an 800 dollar stock. Whats up with the plastic plug filling in the hole on the side of the stock.

I am a huge fan of mcmillan and will remain so but I didn't care for the way you pulled this one off.

Just my 2 cents
Clay
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

McMillan ALL the Way...

Manners cant answer the phone much less answer an email. I tried for a month to order from them and no return communication what so ever. That sold me on McMillan and I will never look back. That was 7 rifles ago... Just goes to show you that a customer looking to order is not of importance to Manners. I could care less if some think they build a better stock, with no customer service they are pretty much a pile of #@&* to me...
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

AverageJoe

Your experience was vastly different from mine then. Ive never ever had a problem getting in touch with Manners. Tom and his crew are more concerned about customer service than most people in this industry. I would rank them up there with USO and such.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ben0341</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok So their great stocks then!! haha but how durable is the paint?? </div></div>
Just got my T4A with a custom Sako inlet. The paint they use, Tom told me, is a special industrial paint developed for industrial furniture. I will say it's some very tough stuff.
There were a few bumps along the way in communication with my Manners dealings, but in the end, Tom is definitely a stand up guy and more than willing to make things right. I'd do another Manners in a heart beat. I can't speak to McM as I've no experience with them, although I will say the above Utube link using the McM stock as a curb ramp was pretty cool. I just don't put that much value in "molded in" colors on a rifle stock. If you;re going to treat your rifle to the kind of abuse where that's important, then IMO you really aren't terribly concerned about cosmetics anyway. With paint, you can always touch it up. Not so easy with gel coat.
JMO
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AverageJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">McMillan ALL the Way...

Manners cant answer the phone much less answer an email. I tried for a month to order from them and no return communication what so ever. That sold me on McMillan and I will never look back. That was 7 rifles ago... Just goes to show you that a customer looking to order is not of importance to Manners. I could care less if some think they build a better stock, with no customer service they are pretty much a pile of #@&* to me... </div></div>Some customers are better left avoided. Just sayin...
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

I agree Terrys hardware is top notch. It is obviously much cheaper for us to manufacture and install our own hardware than contracting it out. That way our stock for example can stay at $800 and not $900.

I did not know our integral c/p hardware was troublesome or parts did not work. There are thousands of them out there. Now granted, if and when there is an issue, we fix it. No charge, no questions asked.

We thought the plastic plug being there would be better than just leaving the thumb screw hole open. Plus, it will keep dirt and such from getting in there. You can remove it if you don't prefer it.

The clamp system technology is popular right now and we are going along with the trend and what consumers want. Just like detachable box magazine systems. There are 8 manufacturers that i can think of off the top of my head that make DBM's that all do the same thing and are similar, yet have slight differences.

Thank you for your input guys, we respect and value your opinions.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AverageJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">McMillan ALL the Way...

Manners cant answer the phone much less answer an email. I tried for a month to order from them and no return communication what so ever. That sold me on McMillan and I will never look back. That was 7 rifles ago... Just goes to show you that a customer looking to order is not of importance to Manners. I could care less if some think they build a better stock, with no customer service they are pretty much a pile of #@&* to me... </div></div>

Sorry, not my experience.

Had an e-mail from Tom Manners himself to tell me my stock was ready, waaaaaay ahead of the expected delivery time.

Wouldn't go past Manners for customer service. Plus, I just looooove the look of my new T5a

Having said all that, I spent about 3 hours being shown around the Mc Millan factory about 4 years ago by Dick Davis (?) CEO at the time. Can't ask for better than that.

Bottom line?

You pays your money, you takes your choice. Both manufacturers are GTG!

N
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

Not a fair comparison.

I am sure that you would just install the kmw hardware at your location just as other makers do rather than having kmw do it. Purchasing it in bulk would probably make the hardware cost very reasonable.

If your integral c/p hardware did not have problems, why did you go to the trouble to develop a totally new setup?

I know that the plug is to fill the thumb screw hole. I was being difficult. The kmw hardware has a reversible crossbolt that fills the holes perfectly. The machined part is no doubt a little more expensive than the plastic plug but please have some pride in your complete package. The very reason that the earlier versions of your hardware were prone to problems is because the components are rough cut and course so that they remain inexpensive and install quickly. I know McMillan has to make a profit so just add $25.00 to that hardware option to cover your increased hardware cost and have a first class setup.

True that the clamp system has been around for a long time. Nothing new. You guys are smart. If it has been out there for all this time and was a good option, why did you have to be pressured into adopting it? Did consumers want it (an improved clamping system) because somebody else came up with it as a fix to your existing options?

You said your new clamp system is like the kmw. I disagree. The resemblence and similarity is not an accident but the quality and long term performance of the two versions are miles apart.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AverageJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">McMillan ALL the Way...

Manners cant answer the phone much less answer an email. I tried for a month to order from them and no return communication what so ever. That sold me on McMillan and I will never look back. That was 7 rifles ago... Just goes to show you that a customer looking to order is not of importance to Manners. I could care less if some think they build a better stock, with no customer service they are pretty much a pile of #@&* to me...</div></div>

Tom emailed me back within six hours. I think that's pretty damn good. And I got my order placed on a Saturday.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

LOL... Tom called me at like 8 o'clock one night b/c he wanted to make sure I was going to be happy with something on one of his stocks... I thing Tom's commitment to CS goes without question, you prolly dialed the wrong number, or caught him in a time when he wasn't able to get to a phone.

I know Tom personally, and consider him and Todd good friends. I can tell you right now, that he stresses more over trying to make sure everybody has a pleasant experience with his product more than anyone else in the industry. More than I would... His company is an asset to what we do, and we're lucky to have it.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelcomp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AverageJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">McMillan ALL the Way...

Manners cant answer the phone much less answer an email. I tried for a month to order from them and no return communication what so ever. That sold me on McMillan and I will never look back. That was 7 rifles ago... Just goes to show you that a customer looking to order is not of importance to Manners. I could care less if some think they build a better stock, with no customer service they are pretty much a pile of #@&* to me... </div></div>Some customers are better left avoided. Just sayin... </div></div>


Hey I was just about to say that!

I have always had great service from manners. They always answer the phone and he replies to my emails within a day. I have bought upwards of 25-30 stocks from Tom and he has not done me wrong on any of them. They are a great company. McMillan could give two squirts of duck shit about the average guy wanting to buy one stock at a time every few months. But when you order 40 at once they love you. They took 8 months to get me a A5 for a Montana action, they inletted it for the wrong action, and then took another 5 months to fix it. Plus my gunsmith time I was a year and a half into the project when Tom would have done it in 6 weeks! On the phone they made it sound like I wasnt clear enough on what I wanted. I thought that giving them the exact action model and sending them my bottom metal was going to be detailed enough.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

I have no experience with Manners but given the chance, I wouldn't hessitate to buy one. I own a McMillan A-5 and love it.

As far as companies not returning some phone calls.
If anyone has ever been self employed or has had a business and got so busy that they got so swamped that they couldn't return a phone call. Give them some slack, it happens even to the best of business owners....... Who knows maybe they had a receptionist that was slacking or had a power outage and lost messages.. Crap happens......
Remember, competition makes companies better. You could see fixes in a companies strategy just from simply reading a few complaints in a forum like this one.....SmokeRolls
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheSmokeRolls</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have no experience with Manners but given the chance, I wouldn't hessitate to buy one. I own a McMillan A-5 and love it.

As far as companies not returning some phone calls.
If anyone has ever been self employed or has had a business and got so busy that they got so swamped that they couldn't return a phone call. Give them some slack, it happens even to the best of business owners....... Who knows maybe they had a receptionist that was slacking or had a power outage and lost messages.. Crap happens......
Remember, competition makes companies better. You could see fixes in a companies strategy just from simply reading a few complaints in a forum like this one.....SmokeRolls </div></div>+1. Getting a call back vs. being ignored might have something to do with the kind of message you leave, too. It works both ways.
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Re: Manners vs McMillan?

Being called a pile of shit would negate me calling you back, ever. Certain people with the attitude of "if I dont receive perfect customer service all the time I will run my suck hole about you" they are just not worth the time and effort to make them happy. Because nothing will satisfy them. People feed off bad press and drama filled stories.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Being called a pile of shit would negate me calling you back, ever. Certain people with the attitude of "if I dont receive perfect customer service all the time I will run my suck hole about you" they are just not worth the time and effort to make them happy. Because nothing will satisfy them. People feed off bad press and drama filled stories. </div></div>
Very well said Adam..... I could not have said it better.
SmokeRolls
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

Love my A3-5 McMillans. I dont use them for truck ramps so the slight strength difference of the manners stock means nothing to me. You will be happy with either one. Its neat to be able to speak directly to Tom, but McMillan is a considerably bigger company. I dont call remington expecting to speak to their CEO if I have an issue.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Its neat to be able to speak directly to Tom, but McMillan is a considerably bigger company. I dont call remington expecting to speak to their CEO if I have an issue. </div></div>

That's exactly why I bought a Manners. He won't ignore my order and rush it out with flaws. That's good to know being an $800 purchase.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

Own both currently and like both (A5 and T4). Manners has outstanding customer service, but I haven't had to use McMillan's yet.

My last 2 stocks ordered were a McM HTG and a Manners T4 in Nov 09. My McM got to me a month faster.

Think I might try an AICS next for shits and grins.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TalkingBush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Its neat to be able to speak directly to Tom, but McMillan is a considerably bigger company. I dont call remington expecting to speak to their CEO if I have an issue. </div></div>

That's exactly why I bought a Manners. He won't ignore my order and rush it out with flaws. That's good to know being an $800 purchase. </div></div>

My last A3-5 was ahead of schedule and flawless. Just from my experiences ordering, the folks at McMillan are a pleasure to deal with.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McMillanMade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"MCMILLAN EXPERIMENT, PART 1 - STOCK STRENGTH". Please view this video that the McMillan employees made Friday afternoon to demonstrate the strength of our stocks. Plus, it plays to a kickin' 311 tune.

http://www.youtube.com/user/McMillanExperiment</div></div>
I love your stocks but I have to question you on your 311 tune... I'm not feelin it......hahahahahaha
SmokeRolls
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont use them for truck ramps...</div></div>

Yeah, no sh*t! I bet 90% of the rifles put in these stocks are wiped down with a diaper every night, carried in velour cases to the range and put away in climate controlled gun safes!
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I have a McM A4 and LOVE it.
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

I have to give my opinion on this hole thing and how mcmillan wanted to try and post there own video of toms strength test but to nobodies suprise mcmillan messed up.. Notice the distance in the blocks in the manners photo then notice how mcmillan parked there truck on top of there block?? how about mcmillan spread there blocks how to the same distance the manners stock has and then try and save face and post a video. Oh and when the mcmillan was on the curb i thought it may be an ok part of the test untill i saw the hole inside of the stock was milled completely out and thats where i have had most of my problems. For example i have painted many mcmillan stocks for people for unknown reasons "that sweet gell coat chipping off" and when i put in a vice to just do taping and cleaning on the stock SNAPPPPP... so to answer your question no its not worth the extra $200
 
Re: Manners vs McMillan?

In all honesty here, any strength test that anyone does is really a moot point. 99% of shooters take a gun out of the safe, go to the range and shoot it and go home and put it back. Wooden stocks have been doing just fine all these years and also in combat without any real issues. I really don't see how these tests prove one stock better than the next. Accidents happen and any stock could be broken in the field. That's just life. If I accidentily dropped my rifle off anything and the stock failed in anyway why would I look at the manufacturer to blame? Would I look at the scope maker to blame for the lenses shattering when I dropped it? It's what the manufacturer does after the break that says anything. If Manners or McMillan will fix or replace free of charge when it was all my fault is where the quality lies. Coating of the stock is just a personal choice, it doesn't mean one stock is better than the next. Some guys want a show stock and some guys are going to beat the crap out of it. Is one correct and the other is wrong.

Basically it boils down to which stock fits the bill of what you want and that's the best stock there is. This is about want after all really if you think about it. Except when I see some of the firearms being posted on the Hide, I think it comes close to need!!! Just my 2 cents worth. I remember a reporter asking a brewmaster which the best beer in the world was in his opinion. He replied by saying that the beer in hand was the best there was.

The gelcoat is the same price as painted so I'm not sure where the 200.00 comes from.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JW Precision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Accidents happen and any stock could be broken in the field. That's just life. If I accidentily dropped my rifle off anything and the stock failed in anyway why would I look at the manufacturer to blame? Would I look at the scope maker to blame for the lenses shattering when I dropped it? It's what the manufacturer does after the break that says anything.

Basically it boils down to which stock fits the bill of what you want and that's the best stock there is. This is about want after all really if you think about it. Except when I see some of the firearms being posted on the Hide, I think it comes close to need!!! Just my 2 cents worth.
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JW, you make some excellent points however one important point that I believe you are missing, and to the reason of the "truck" tests, is that if you can build something strong enough to substantially reduce the chance of an "accident" affecting its performance you wont have to worry about the cost of honoring your warranty (both good and bad) or the dissatisfaction of your customers.

For example. If budget scope "X", said "we'll overnight you a free replacement scope if ours breaks" you may say to yourself "that's great customer service." But after returning the third, fourth, fifth scope and having to remount and re-zero said scope, that great customer service will not be worth it. So the point is if you can make an item over and above expected requirements, you will probably rarely if ever have to worry about those "accidents". This is why we see some of the overbuilt scope products that are out there. Sure, nothing is indestructible however I would feel more comfortable having my USO or S&B drop from a vehicle than a "budget" scope.

To your second point, I whole-heartedly agree. Fit and comfort must be paramount when choosing a stock. For me personally, I do not have any issues with the quality of the McMillan stocks. Where my issue lies is in the fit-especially in the grip. So for me, that is a deal breaker.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 30calsniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would like to see a heads up comparison.

3.5lb weight limit. Same style stocks. Fully inlet. Same testing. </div></div>

It's awn.... I heard a gauntlet hit the ground...
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Being a pack rat, I have kept the receipts for every firearm I have ever purchased or had built. So I checked my book and on April 11,1972 Wally Hart finished and delivered to me two builds that included my first McMillan stocks. I still have and use one of those two builds; a .308 Remmy 700 with a 1:13 twist Hart barrel.

Total cost including truing the locking lugs and bolt face on my action, the .308 Hart barrel, fit and chamber, a 40X trigger, bedding the stock and the HTG Mac Millan stock painted in forest green, as well as teflon coating the barreled action,shipping and tax was $360.11. The barrel was $98.00, fitting and chambering was $45.00 and the stock was $135.00

This is a 38 year old GAP Rock that has been through many of my deer seasons, as well as those of my 3 boys. While I have never run over it with a truck, or used it as a club; the stock and bedding have held and after the barrel being set back and re-chambered about 2,000 rounds ago, it still shoots .500-.700, 5 shot groups.

After many Mac Millan stocks, I have just received my first 2, Manners T5A stocks with the mini-chassis. While I have no field experience with the stock, I put a barreled action in it and got behind it on the floor and thought,for several reasons,that no one has anything to compete with this stock.

When I ordered these stocks on December 4th, Tom told me he was going to make his first run on January 11th, so he would have the stocks ready for the shot show. He also told me that he would ship my stocks 12 weeks from January 11. I received my first stock a week early and the second a week late. The man keeps his word. During my wait I had need to speak with Tom, Todd and Christie on more than one occasion and I experienced nothing but patience, professionalism and smiles you could feel thorugh the phone. My sense is that I will continue to use and enjoy Tom's stocks and the friendly attitudes of Todd and Christie when you inturrpt them with dumb questions. I will also continue to use MacMillan and Bill Shehane stocks, they are all well made. But fair warning to all stock manufacturers, you have some serious competition with Manners. He thinks outside the box.
 
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Ah April 72. I remember it fondly. I was getting ready for my 6th birthday party LOL Just kidding Larry.

Seriously though this thread cracks me up. Just like the "which is tougher aluminum or steel rings and base" arguments. If you break either one of these stocks while using it you will be in a world of shit as things are very bad for you. They are both plenty tough and tougher than what the shooters will put them through so buy the one that fits your needs as far as ergonomics, price and features and use it. I have both Manners and McMillan and love both. Both give the end user a terrific product.

I swear people just need to have drama around here and pitting two top of the line products against each other seems to be the way they do it around here recently. Honestly I am getting sick and tired of reading this shit.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ah April 72. I remember it fondly. I was getting ready for my 6th birthday party LOL Just kidding Larry.

Seriously though this thread cracks me up. Just like the "which is tougher aluminum or steel rings and base" arguments. If you break either one of these stocks while using it you will be in a world of shit as things are very bad for you. They are both plenty tough and tougher than what the shooters will put them through so buy the one that fits your needs as far as ergonomics, price and features and use it. I have both Manners and McMillan and love both. Both give the end user a terrific product.

I swear people just need to have drama around here and pitting two top of the line products against each other seems to be the way they do it around here recently. Honestly I am getting sick and tired of reading this shit. </div></div>

Amen Rob

I feel the same way.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ah April 72. I remember it fondly. I was getting ready for my 6th birthday party LOL Just kidding Larry.

Seriously though this thread cracks me up. Just like the "which is tougher aluminum or steel rings and base" arguments. If you break either one of these stocks while using it you will be in a world of shit as things are very bad for you. They are both plenty tough and tougher than what the shooters will put them through so buy the one that fits your needs as far as ergonomics, price and features and use it. I have both Manners and McMillan and love both. Both give the end user a terrific product.

I swear people just need to have drama around here and pitting two top of the line products against each other seems to be the way they do it around here recently. Honestly I am getting sick and tired of reading this shit. </div></div>

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Cant we all just get along........
 
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Rob,
Some days I just don't have enough to do so I read, respond and cherish the days when people made fun of me because I had a plastic stock with shiny green paint. Today is one of those days with not much to do; so since you brought it up I will regale you with tales of my 6th birthday. For my 6th birthday all I wanted was a Red Ryder BB gun or a Hopalong Cassidy 6 gun set. Well I got the blah, blah, blah blah.

I do find it funny that there seem to be as many people sittin around bitchin about the drama as promoting it. Appearently, I'm not the only one with not much to do today except wait for the wind to die a bit. Have fun
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ah April 72. I remember it fondly. I was getting ready for my 6th birthday party LOL Just kidding Larry.

Seriously though this thread cracks me up. Just like the "which is tougher aluminum or steel rings and base" arguments. If you break either one of these stocks while using it you will be in a world of shit as things are very bad for you. They are both plenty tough and tougher than what the shooters will put them through so buy the one that fits your needs as far as ergonomics, price and features and use it. I have both Manners and McMillan and love both. Both give the end user a terrific product.

I swear people just need to have drama around here and pitting two top of the line products against each other seems to be the way they do it around here recently. Honestly I am getting sick and tired of reading this shit. </div></div>

Soooooooooo, pick a side already!!!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McMillanMade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"MCMILLAN EXPERIMENT, PART 1 - STOCK STRENGTH". Please view this video that the McMillan employees made Friday afternoon to demonstrate the strength of our stocks. Plus, it plays to a kickin' 311 tune.

http://www.youtube.com/user/McMillanExperiment</div></div>

Ryan, does Ron Fuchs still work with you guys?
 
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I'm going to have to try a Manners after having received my latest Meh-Millan stock tonight. Bottom metal fits really tight so I'll have to remove a little material tomorrow (not too big of a deal), finish is very so-so and rough looking, and one of the holes where the KMW cheekpiece was installed looks like crap.

Overall I guess it's not terrible but I expected more for an $800 stock.

-X
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LarryB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Being a pack rat, I have kept the receipts for every firearm I have ever purchased or had built. So I checked my book and on April 11,1972 Wally Hart finished and delivered to me two builds that included my first McMillan stocks. I still have and use one of those two builds; a .308 Remmy 700 with a 1:13 twist Hart barrel.

Total cost including truing the locking lugs and bolt face on my action, the .308 Hart barrel, fit and chamber, a 40X trigger, bedding the stock and the HTG Mac Millan stock painted in forest green, as well as teflon coating the barreled action,shipping and tax was $360.11. The barrel was $98.00, fitting and chambering was $45.00 and the stock was $135.00

This is a 38 year old GAP Rock that has been through many of my deer seasons, as well as those of my 3 boys. While I have never run over it with a truck, or used it as a club; the stock and bedding have held and after the barrel being set back and re-chambered about 2,000 rounds ago, it still shoots .500-.700, 5 shot groups.

After many Mac Millan stocks, I have just received my first 2, Manners T5A stocks with the mini-chassis. While I have no field experience with the stock, I put a barreled action in it and got behind it on the floor and thought,for several reasons,that no one has anything to compete with this stock.

When I ordered these stocks on December 4th, Tom told me he was going to make his first run on January 11th, so he would have the stocks ready for the shot show. He also told me that he would ship my stocks 12 weeks from January 11. I received my first stock a week early and the second a week late. The man keeps his word. During my wait I had need to speak with Tom, Todd and Christie on more than one occasion and I experienced nothing but patience, professionalism and smiles you could feel thorugh the phone. My sense is that I will continue to use and enjoy Tom's stocks and the friendly attitudes of Todd and Christie when you inturrpt them with dumb questions. I will also continue to use MacMillan and Bill Shehane stocks, they are all well made. But fair warning to all stock manufacturers, you have some serious competition with Manners. He thinks outside the box. </div></div>

How do you like the chassis system btw? I just ordered mine on a T4 and was wondering how well it sits in there.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black-X</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and one of the holes where the KMW cheekpiece was installed looks like crap.
-X </div></div>

Black-X,
Would you mind giving some additional details about the crappy looking hole where the KMW cheekpiece was installed.
If I installed the hardware, I need to know if there was an issue and get it straightened out for you.
McMillan chooses not to install KMW hardware so if your stock has it, the problem with the hole may not be McMillan's fault.

Please advise. Photo would be nice.

Thanks,

Terry Cross
KMW
 
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Tim, the fit and finish on the mini-chassis is fantastic. I powered my new RSR action, dropped it in and was very pleased at how even the transfer was. I did not screw it in so I can only imagine that the fit will be better with proper torque. However, I have sent all the parts for my new build off to my smith and asked him to skim bed the stock. Some day soon I hope that someone will do an accuracy test with a barreled action that has been bedded in another stock and just screw it in to the mini-chassis with the proper torque to see if there is any perceptable difference.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TimResin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LarryB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Being a pack rat, I have kept the receipts for every firearm I have ever purchased or had built. So I checked my book and on April 11,1972 Wally Hart finished and delivered to me two builds that included my first McMillan stocks. I still have and use one of those two builds; a .308 Remmy 700 with a 1:13 twist Hart barrel.

Total cost including truing the locking lugs and bolt face on my action, the .308 Hart barrel, fit and chamber, a 40X trigger, bedding the stock and the HTG Mac Millan stock painted in forest green, as well as teflon coating the barreled action,shipping and tax was $360.11. The barrel was $98.00, fitting and chambering was $45.00 and the stock was $135.00

This is a 38 year old GAP Rock that has been through many of my deer seasons, as well as those of my 3 boys. While I have never run over it with a truck, or used it as a club; the stock and bedding have held and after the barrel being set back and re-chambered about 2,000 rounds ago, it still shoots .500-.700, 5 shot groups.

After many Mac Millan stocks, I have just received my first 2, Manners T5A stocks with the mini-chassis. While I have no field experience with the stock, I put a barreled action in it and got behind it on the floor and thought,for several reasons,that no one has anything to compete with this stock.

When I ordered these stocks on December 4th, Tom told me he was going to make his first run on January 11th, so he would have the stocks ready for the shot show. He also told me that he would ship my stocks 12 weeks from January 11. I received my first stock a week early and the second a week late. The man keeps his word. During my wait I had need to speak with Tom, Todd and Christie on more than one occasion and I experienced nothing but patience, professionalism and smiles you could feel thorugh the phone. My sense is that I will continue to use and enjoy Tom's stocks and the friendly attitudes of Todd and Christie when you inturrpt them with dumb questions. I will also continue to use MacMillan and Bill Shehane stocks, they are all well made. But fair warning to all stock manufacturers, you have some serious competition with Manners. He thinks outside the box. </div></div>

How do you like the chassis system btw? I just ordered mine on a T4 and was wondering how well it sits in there.</div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black-X</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and one of the holes where the KMW cheekpiece was installed looks like crap.
-X </div></div>

Black-X,
Would you mind giving some additional details about the crappy looking hole where the KMW cheekpiece was installed.
If I installed the hardware, I need to know if there was an issue and get it straightened out for you.
McMillan chooses not to install KMW hardware so if your stock has it, the problem with the hole may not be McMillan's fault.

Please advise. Photo would be nice.

Thanks,

Terry Cross
KMW </div></div>

Here's a couple pics Terry. I'm going to try my hand at skim bedding this week so I figure I'll hit it with some paint while I'm at it.

Thanks,

-X

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GunGuru727</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's a really ugly hole sorry to say it.

Nobody wants to see an ugly hole:)

</div></div>That's why I make her turn the lights off.