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Mattis regarding the Border Troops "We don't do stunts"
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Man i really hope Trumps dumb ass doesnt run this guy out. Hes the only one in the admin that actually loves this country.
How the hell is Trump going to run this guy out because he actually wants to use the military for what it should be used for.......defending our country here at home. Instead of some shit hole thousands of miles away.
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Well theres been some rumrs swelling lately between the two. i wasnt saying this was gonna drive him out, but there appears to be a rift between the two.
I hope there is a US Troop from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf Coast manning a 50 cal every 300M with orders to not let anyone get within 500M of the border.
Perhaps Mr Mattis does not do stunts, but unless the troops have orders to use lethal force to close the border then they will not be able to stop people. There are not enough troops being sent to close the border by holding hands and singing.
Hi,
I bet that video has NOTHING to do with sending Troops to the border. Search internet for first date that video appears lol.
Sincerely,
Theis
I bet that video has NOTHING to do with sending Troops to the border. Search internet for first date that video appears lol.
Sincerely,
Theis
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Pull all of our Troops out of Europe and put them on the Northern and Southern borders doing patrol shit 24/7.
Activity like that is what I went in the military for but unfortunately in my infantry experience all I did was field day, clean rifles, and scrub HumVs at the motor pool.
Here is a map, here is a compass, here is your combat load, walk and report to Border Patrol anything you see.
See you when you get back.
Activity like that is what I went in the military for but unfortunately in my infantry experience all I did was field day, clean rifles, and scrub HumVs at the motor pool.
Here is a map, here is a compass, here is your combat load, walk and report to Border Patrol anything you see.
See you when you get back.
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It would be a great opportunity to test sonic weapons that don't kill. Just vibrate your insides really good.
It's what our Troops used to do before they were the World Police and they did with about 100,000 Army and some 20,000 Marines - that's total force figure - subtract guys on ships and legitimate US territories/possessions.
Round up every pitbull in a shelter in America . When the caravan is two days out stop feeding them . Fill one hundred fire trucks with au juis ( aw fuck meat gravy).
Spray crowd liberally on approach then unleash the dogs . Oh , have popcorn ready .
Enjoy .
Spray crowd liberally on approach then unleash the dogs . Oh , have popcorn ready .
Enjoy .
My guess is that is the “military readiness train” they move around the country on drills. I’ve seen it many times roll through Cheyenne, they rarely if ever unload the train. I highly doubt it will be unloaded by the border.
The main reason for MIL to the boarder is you remove control from Leftist State Governors who control the NG.
Beat me to it, we aren’t deploying main battle tanks against pedestrians.
I have 19 years in the military, 12 of which are guard. I have a handful of buddies that have volunteered for assisting BP on the southern border. Their response after getting back was it was a complete waste of time and their hands were so tied (posse comitatus) that it was pointless they were there. They would be stuck in the middle of bum F desert with a radio and call shit it that no one could respond too. Waste of manpower, money, and time to appease Trumps mindless supporters. Beef up BP who has training to do this job and fix current immigration policies instead of wasting U.S assets.
Posse Commitatus has little to do with foreign invaders.
I agree in wanting .mil to concentrate on blowing shit up and killing people, not law enforcement, but protection of the border is certainly in the purview of the mil.
The reason you were not effective is the political spat between the parties.
What do you agree with "Country First" or "Party First"?
The Posse Commitatus I do not believe has ever been tested Constitutionally. I believe it would fail. The Constitution sets the Presidents powers not Congress. No one has ever needed to test it. Congress only has the power of the purse over the Pres.
I really dont want to see it tested and I dont want Soldiers doing Police Work.
Its not good for the citizens nor the soldiers.
If you want to look at precedent though and ask if it was okay than what are you bitching about now.......
Didnt FDR unleash the mil on the "Bonus Army" in DC?
If we can use the mil against WWI veterans whats the complaint about keeping some non citizens on their side of the fence.
Hi,
How do you call something NOT a stunt IF the ROE are actually what is being reported via the news???
1. Troops will be allowed to transport Border Patrol agents.
2. Provide Medical care.
3. Setup fence and barriers.
4. Cannot even detain an illegal once they cross the border.
IF that is the true ROE..then yes this is nothing more than a BIG stunt.
Sincerely,
Theis
How do you call something NOT a stunt IF the ROE are actually what is being reported via the news???
1. Troops will be allowed to transport Border Patrol agents.
2. Provide Medical care.
3. Setup fence and barriers.
4. Cannot even detain an illegal once they cross the border.
IF that is the true ROE..then yes this is nothing more than a BIG stunt.
Sincerely,
Theis
Nobody had a prob when Clinton used troops to kill 80 Americans at Waco,,,,, e
Repelling an invasion isn't police work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
In 2006, Congress modified the Insurrection Act as part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill (repealed as of 2008). On September 26, 2006, President George W. Bush urged Congress to consider revising federal laws so that U.S. armed forces could restore public order and enforce laws in the aftermath of a natural disaster, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition. These changes were included in the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122), which was signed into law on October 17, 2006.[6]
Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies." It provided that:
In 2006, Congress modified the Insurrection Act as part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill (repealed as of 2008). On September 26, 2006, President George W. Bush urged Congress to consider revising federal laws so that U.S. armed forces could restore public order and enforce laws in the aftermath of a natural disaster, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition. These changes were included in the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122), which was signed into law on October 17, 2006.[6]
Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies." It provided that:
The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[7]
I'm fine with DoD providing ISR and logistical support to CBP and ICE but the situation is far from the law enforcement agencies not being able to maintain public order.The fact of the matter is the President's power is pretty much absolute. We don't like to think about that but it's true. Obama's actions proved that, as have as have the actions of other Presidents. If a president is doing what he believes has to be done to protect the Country. He can only be stopped with the vote.
On the other hand an abuse of that power will not be taken lightly by the people. Obama and Nixon abused that power one got caught and booted. The other Obama made it through but his future is unknown. Lets hope he at least is exposed if not jailed.
This whole Russia thing is a futile effort. Why because Trump has the power not them. Their only hope was Trumps death by a thousand cuts from the Media. But the Deplorables did not buy it. Trump never bled out.
Trump has what ever power he needs. Because we support him. When he has the people he is omnipotent. Constitutionally.
On the other hand an abuse of that power will not be taken lightly by the people. Obama and Nixon abused that power one got caught and booted. The other Obama made it through but his future is unknown. Lets hope he at least is exposed if not jailed.
This whole Russia thing is a futile effort. Why because Trump has the power not them. Their only hope was Trumps death by a thousand cuts from the Media. But the Deplorables did not buy it. Trump never bled out.
Trump has what ever power he needs. Because we support him. When he has the people he is omnipotent. Constitutionally.
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I dunno if anyone looked at the videos from Mexico where the guys were chucking rocks at helicopters, .mil, etc in MX, but I was talking to my dad about that last night.
"Why the fuck is the military sitting there taking that shit? Those motherfuckers are ripping down their shitty Hencho En Mexico gates at the border, raising all kinds of hell, WHY wouldn't you shoot those sons of bitches?"
Trump just synced up with that conversation.
"Why the fuck is the military sitting there taking that shit? Those motherfuckers are ripping down their shitty Hencho En Mexico gates at the border, raising all kinds of hell, WHY wouldn't you shoot those sons of bitches?"
Trump just synced up with that conversation.
They were moving fast until the shit started covering the dems.
I think the original intent was to have ugly border scenes starting this weekend right before the election.
Now they have been abandoned and they are straight infantry without the abilities of Stonewall Jacksons Foot Cavalry.
Perhaps Mexico doesn’t want their daddy invading them over this issue. I’m sure they don’t want an event at their border that would lead to us retaliating in a big way. Time will tell I guess. I still want to know why my tax money funded the caravan. Seems some of the food provided was US Aid...
I think mexico would be all right with them getting onto busses.
I would offer to pay our fair share as well, I'm a nice guy.
They are tired and hungry, feed them a big meal, give them a blanket.
When they all fall asleep turn the damn buss south and hit the gass.
In the middle of the nite.
I would offer to pay our fair share as well, I'm a nice guy.
They are tired and hungry, feed them a big meal, give them a blanket.
When they all fall asleep turn the damn buss south and hit the gass.
In the middle of the nite.
I would not be surprised if the Mexican government realized that if they bused these invaders to the border, it was going to generate an immediate shutdown of the border & reprisals from our government in ways they may not like.
They are probably hedging their bets that if they slow walk the invaders & make most of them basically hoof it on foot, there is a good chance a lot of them will head back home or give up. Then those that don't the Mexicans have time to see how the election shakes out and either the Democrats will be demanding they all be let in, or the Mexicans have a bit of time to negotiate with Trump over how not to start a mini war over it.
the bush clan was worse than the Clintons and Obama combined. Destroyers of the Constitution, Globalists, Statists. I hope that blood line dies off in a generation.
QUOTE="Dirty D, post: 7314238, member: 36693"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
In 2006, Congress modified the Insurrection Act as part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill (repealed as of 2008). On September 26, 2006, President George W. Bush urged Congress to consider revising federal laws so that U.S. armed forces could restore public order and enforce laws in the aftermath of a natural disaster, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition. These changes were included in the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122), which was signed into law on October 17, 2006.[6]
Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies." It provided that:
QUOTE="Dirty D, post: 7314238, member: 36693"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
In 2006, Congress modified the Insurrection Act as part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill (repealed as of 2008). On September 26, 2006, President George W. Bush urged Congress to consider revising federal laws so that U.S. armed forces could restore public order and enforce laws in the aftermath of a natural disaster, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition. These changes were included in the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122), which was signed into law on October 17, 2006.[6]
Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies." It provided that:
The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[7]
I'm fine with DoD providing ISR and logistical support to CBP and ICE but the situation is far from the law enforcement agencies not being able to maintain public order.[/QUOTE]
I want the land and natural resources to pay for the dumping of a third of their population in my country illegally, a debt needs to be paid, and not in pesos, in land and natural resources. We need room for all the illegals we have taken in to date.
No thank you. Thats just doing the Dems work. People need to do the hard work to come here and earn their citizenship that way they will cherish it.
The people I meet that come here lawfully tend to have great attitudes toward our Constitution......except for the British ones......they bring their "you should change your country" attitudes with them and they can be extremely annoying.
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I think the USA should be bigger, and parts of MX look pretty appealing, both from an urban frontier perspective, and from a logistics/resource perspective. If we could nab 300 miles inside the border of MX, we could even deny Cali their coveted illegals.
Basically, drop that MX border, add in some nice 90* angles, and call all of that New Texas. Doesn't make up for what MX has done to us, but definitely shakes things up a bit and gives us an opportunity to eliminate some of the bad hombres Mexico is beholden to.
Perhaps true.
The one I have been dealing most with lately is a naturalized British liberal.
Strange as fuck.
Actually started a 4th Amendment protection site as he is deeply committed to the 4th especially govt confiscations in crimes and ensuring individual privacy.
I think he just wants to smoke pot because when I ask about his feelings toward the Second A his feelings are that we don't interpret it correctly and it doesn't mean what it says it does.
Guy has been in a pickle the last two years as part of his concerns with the 4th would be Ed Snowden revelations about what NSA is doing to us and he believes in a deep state.
Thing is his idea of the deep state is that it's some sort of conservative cabal.
I've been wrapping him in pretzels mentally because the obvious current liberal coup and the liberal adoption of technology to destroy our political process doesn't jive with his current mental wiring.
His site has gone off line and it's been a couple of months sense I've had the pleasure of fucking with his head.
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