Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

[Keyser Söze]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

Cell phone scans? True or not, I would expect nothing less from that nazi-esqe, mandatory gun inspection & registration state.

Michigan...the California of the midwest/great lakes region.

 

[pawprint]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

If the cops are "required" to have a warrant, doesn't mean they will have a warrant. How often do cops shoot Unarmed civilians, etc.- if they have these devices, they'll get used without warrants. The idea that Mall cops should have their own SWAT teams-one could argue, "Someday they could save lives". I believe the real cops have good SWAT teams, they can be called to the Mall or Airport etc when needed. There are degrees of professionalism within LE. Some of these, "specialty" police depts. school cops, mall cops, etc., would end up using this type equipment to check up on their wives, girl friends (boy friends for some of our CA readers) etc. As our rights as Americans continue to go in the sewer, there will still be some that argue-Our "specialty" cops need this, and a SWAT team, and a Tank, And 50Cal Weapons, etc. etc., we're already on a very bad slope.

 

[paulo_santos]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the cops are "required" to have a warrant, doesn't mean they will have a warrant. How often do cops shoot Unarmed civilians, etc.- if they have these devices, they'll get used without warrants. The idea that Mall cops should have their own SWAT teams-one could argue, "Someday they could save lives". I believe the real cops have good SWAT teams, they can be called to the Mall or Airport etc when needed. There are degrees of professionalism within LE. Some of these, "specialty" police depts. school cops, mall cops, etc., would end up using this type equipment to check up on their wives, girl friends (boy friends for some of our CA readers) etc. As our rights as Americans continue to go in the sewer, there will still be some that argue-Our "specialty" cops need this, and a SWAT team, and a Tank, And 50Cal Weapons, etc. etc., we're already on a very bad slope. </div></div>

You have no idea what you are talking about. LE in general is getting harder and harder to do anything without having to get warrants. Most agencies in my area all have cameras in the patrol cars. All of the laws favor the criminals. You have more rights now that you have ever had before. You guys on this forum are ridiculously paranoid about your rights.

Don't believe me, just look how things have changed in the last 10 years. Back in 2000, we could just ask a person if we could search their vehicles for no reason. Now we literally need to see the drugs or smell something. We literally need warrants for almost everything, that a few years ago, we could just ask for consent. If we don't do things the right way, we loose it in court.

 

[pawprint]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the cops are "required" to have a warrant, doesn't mean they will have a warrant. How often do cops shoot Unarmed civilians, etc.- if they have these devices, they'll get used without warrants. The idea that Mall cops should have their own SWAT teams-one could argue, "Someday they could save lives". I believe the real cops have good SWAT teams, they can be called to the Mall or Airport etc when needed. There are degrees of professionalism within LE. Some of these, "specialty" police depts. school cops, mall cops, etc., would end up using this type equipment to check up on their wives, girl friends (boy friends for some of our CA readers) etc. As our rights as Americans continue to go in the sewer, there will still be some that argue-Our "specialty" cops need this, and a SWAT team, and a Tank, And 50Cal Weapons, etc. etc., we're already on a very bad slope. </div></div>

You have no idea what you are talking about. LE in general is getting harder and harder to do anything without having to get warrants. Most agencies in my area all have cameras in the patrol cars. All of the laws favor the criminals. You have more rights now that you have ever had before. You guys on this forum are ridiculously paranoid about your rights.

Don't believe me, just look how things have changed in the last 10 years. Back in 2000, we could just ask a person if we could search their vehicles for no reason. Now we literally need to see the drugs or smell something. We literally need warrants for almost everything, that a few years ago, we could just ask for consent. If we don't do things the right way, we loose it in court. </div></div>I don't know what I'm talking about? WHAT? It doesn't take a real smart person to do a little looking on the net, to find out how many cops are being arrested, sometimes convicted (far to often they are "fired", charges dropped). Everything from running drugs, murder to wife beating. "More rights now than you ever had before"? As I understand it, we use to buy guns via the mail, including full auto's, MORE? What is your source? There was a time when you didn't need a license to drive a car, or fly a plane, MORE? What is your source? You may want to take a few minutes and read something regarding the gun laws in CA or NY, MORE? What is your source? Please don't post back something along the lines of, "Everyone on this board knows what I mean", they don't. You made a statement that falls apart when it is questioned with fact. The argument that 'cops need these powers to fight gangs', is funny. We now have 'secret courts', no knock warrants, "roving warrants" and the list goes on and on. These 'special powers' have always been dreamed up because we need to fight (fill in the blank). We have thousands of bad cops in the US, I base this on the number of cops arrested and convicted, or make some kind of "special plea deal". I'm not making this up, these are facts. The mall cops do not need this type of equipment-or a SWAT team, or a tank, or a M2, or ..... This type of equipment goes right to privacy, something real Americans love, and never make excuses for giving it away.

 

[pawprint]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the cops are "required" to have a warrant, doesn't mean they will have a warrant. How often do cops shoot Unarmed civilians, etc.- if they have these devices, they'll get used without warrants. The idea that Mall cops should have their own SWAT teams-one could argue, "Someday they could save lives". I believe the real cops have good SWAT teams, they can be called to the Mall or Airport etc when needed. There are degrees of professionalism within LE. Some of these, "specialty" police depts. school cops, mall cops, etc., would end up using this type equipment to check up on their wives, girl friends (boy friends for some of our CA readers) etc. As our rights as Americans continue to go in the sewer, there will still be some that argue-Our "specialty" cops need this, and a SWAT team, and a Tank, And 50Cal Weapons, etc. etc., we're already on a very bad slope. </div></div>

You have no idea what you are talking about. LE in general is getting harder and harder to do anything without having to get warrants. Most agencies in my area all have cameras in the patrol cars. All of the laws favor the criminals. You have more rights now that you have ever had before. You guys on this forum are ridiculously paranoid about your rights.

Don't believe me, just look how things have changed in the last 10 years. Back in 2000, we could just ask a person if we could search their vehicles for no reason. Now we literally need to see the drugs or smell something. We literally need warrants for almost everything, that a few years ago, we could just ask for consent. If we don't do things the right way, we loose it in court. </div></div>I took 3 seconds and googled "NJ Police officers arrest"-Everything from Child PORN, to requesting bribes, stalking etc. etc. etc. You attacked me for "not knowing what I'm talking about", OOOOPS. I guess you're okay with these Child Porn cops, or the bribe cops all from NJ? If not, you don't know what you're talking about!

 

[paulo_santos]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the cops are "required" to have a warrant, doesn't mean they will have a warrant. How often do cops shoot Unarmed civilians, etc.- if they have these devices, they'll get used without warrants. The idea that Mall cops should have their own SWAT teams-one could argue, "Someday they could save lives". I believe the real cops have good SWAT teams, they can be called to the Mall or Airport etc when needed. There are degrees of professionalism within LE. Some of these, "specialty" police depts. school cops, mall cops, etc., would end up using this type equipment to check up on their wives, girl friends (boy friends for some of our CA readers) etc. As our rights as Americans continue to go in the sewer, there will still be some that argue-Our "specialty" cops need this, and a SWAT team, and a Tank, And 50Cal Weapons, etc. etc., we're already on a very bad slope. </div></div>

You have no idea what you are talking about. LE in general is getting harder and harder to do anything without having to get warrants. Most agencies in my area all have cameras in the patrol cars. All of the laws favor the criminals. You have more rights now that you have ever had before. You guys on this forum are ridiculously paranoid about your rights.

Don't believe me, just look how things have changed in the last 10 years. Back in 2000, we could just ask a person if we could search their vehicles for no reason. Now we literally need to see the drugs or smell something. We literally need warrants for almost everything, that a few years ago, we could just ask for consent. If we don't do things the right way, we loose it in court. </div></div>I don't know what I'm talking about? WHAT? It doesn't take a real smart person to do a little looking on the net, to find out how many cops are being arrested, sometimes convicted (far to often they are "fired", charges dropped). Everything from running drugs, murder to wife beating. "More rights now than you ever had before"? As I understand it, we use to buy guns via the mail, including full auto's, MORE? What is your source? There was a time when you didn't need a license to drive a car, or fly a plane, MORE? What is your source? You may want to take a few minutes and read something regarding the gun laws in CA or NY, MORE? What is your source? Please don't post back something along the lines of, "Everyone on this board knows what I mean", they don't. You made a statement that falls apart when it is questioned with fact. The argument that 'cops need these powers to fight gangs', is funny. We now have 'secret courts', no knock warrants, "roving warrants" and the list goes on and on. These 'special powers' have always been dreamed up because we need to fight (fill in the blank). We have thousands of bad cops in the US, I base this on the number of cops arrested and convicted, or make some kind of "special plea deal". I'm not making this up, these are facts. The mall cops do not need this type of equipment-or a SWAT team, or a tank, or a M2, or ..... This type of equipment goes right to privacy, something real Americans love, and never make excuses for giving it away. </div></div>

What's my source? I've been a cop in NJ for 11 years. I've seen the laws change over the years. By the way, cops don't make the laws. We enforce them. At least the ones we think make sense. No one hates these retarded gun laws more than we do. I'm a cop and I can't even have a collapsible stock and a flash hider or a sound suppressor on my personal AR's. We aren't your enemy. Get that through your thick skull.

 

[pawprint]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

By your reply, I see you must have figured out that your earlier statement regarding we Americans have More rights now than we used to have, is clearly wrong. I also noticed you didn't address the large number of cops in NJ, that have been arrested, plead, or been found guilty of such things as Child Porno, Now I ask you, do you really want some pervert, engaged in Child Porno, to have the abilty to scan anyones cell phone he stops? This would make it easier for him to go from Porno to Molestation. NJ is not alone, there are far too many cops that fit this profile. I spoke about the "mall cops". Many people would be surprised to know how many, "special" little police forces they have in a given township. School police force, with their own chief, budget etc., subway cops same thing, and the list can go on. Some of these "police forces" even have SWAT teams! Look it up, before you say I'm wrong. What is really amazing, is some have SWAT teams that are used two or three times a year! The "real" police's SWAT teams could be used, and save the Tax Payers a lot of money, not to mention, the "Real" police's SWAT teams will get more experience in three days than some of these "little" forces get in years, do you really want these "wanna-be" real cops to have the ability to scan cell phones? They have SWAT teams, why wouldn't they have (on the tax payers dollar) this type of equipment? Your Privacy is far to important to give up, because it may help get "gangs". Regarding you not being allowed to have the type of rifle you would like to have, paid for by you, sounds like the gun laws in NJ are worse than they once were years ago, things aren't getting better.

 

[paulo_santos]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By your reply, I see you must have figured out that your earlier statement regarding we Americans have More rights now than we used to have, is clearly wrong. I also noticed you didn't address the large number of cops in NJ, that have been arrested, plead, or been found guilty of such things as Child Porno, Now I ask you, do you really want some pervert, engaged in Child Porno, to have the abilty to scan anyones cell phone he stops? This would make it easier for him to go from Porno to Molestation. NJ is not alone, there are far too many cops that fit this profile. I spoke about the "mall cops". Many people would be surprised to know how many, "special" little police forces they have in a given township. School police force, with their own chief, budget etc., subway cops same thing, and the list can go on. Some of these "police forces" even have SWAT teams! Look it up, before you say I'm wrong. What is really amazing, is some have SWAT teams that are used two or three times a year! The "real" police's SWAT teams could be used, and save the Tax Payers a lot of money, not to mention, the "Real" police's SWAT teams will get more experience in three days than some of these "little" forces get in years, do you really want these "wanna-be" real cops to have the ability to scan cell phones? They have SWAT teams, why wouldn't they have (on the tax payers dollar) this type of equipment? Your Privacy is far to important to give up, because it may help get "gangs". Regarding you not being allowed to have the type of rifle you would like to have, paid for by you, sounds like the gun laws in NJ are worse than they once were years ago, things aren't getting better. </div></div>

Your right. All cops are Nazi's, fat pieces of shit, dogs, douchebags, and now child molestors. The rest of your comments are just retarded and I don't speak that language, nor do I want to. Three languages is enough for me, don't want to add a fourth.

 

[pawprint]

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"all cops"? Where did you get that from? Three, should have concentrated on one, you'd then realize I have never stated, "all cops". You made that up, you are not being honest-anyone that reads the string, can see that I have never stated "all cops". This must be your standard response, rather than agree that we do not have "more rights" now than we had in time past, guns rights are constantly being taken away, and that NJ does have its share of bad cops, if you would like, I'll be happy post some of the bad cops that have been arrested, plead or been found guilty in NJ. I'm surprised you are not aware of any of these guys, as NJ isn't really that large a state, and you've been on top of things there for 11 years? Based on your crude post, and crude way of expressing yourself, and your dishonest post, I would expect you to think that cops should have these scanners available to every patrol car....to fight gangs to be sure. Sorry your last post, has made my point. Dishonest post here, I can only guess what goes on in NJ.

 

[paulo_santos]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"all cops"? Where did you get that from? Three, should have concentrated on one, you'd then realize I have never stated, "all cops". You made that up, you are not being honest-anyone that reads the string, can see that I have never stated "all cops". This must be your standard response, rather than agree that we do not have "more rights" now than we had in time past, guns rights are constantly being taken away, and that NJ does have its share of bad cops, if you would like, I'll be happy post some of the bad cops that have been arrested, plead or been found guilty in NJ. I'm surprised you are not aware of any of these guys, as NJ isn't really that large a state, and you've been on top of things there for 11 years? Based on your crude post, and crude way of expressing yourself, and your dishonest post, I would expect you to think that cops should have these scanners available to every patrol car....to fight gangs to be sure. Sorry your last post, has made my point. Dishonest post here, I can only guess what goes on in NJ. </div></div>

The all cops statement was at the recent cop bashing posts on this forum recently where guys called cops all of those names. You just added the child molesters. Sure there have been some cops in NJ and throughout the country that have done stupid shit and got arrested for it. Every profession has its share of bad guys. What's your point? I'm glad they got caught and prosecuted as I don't want them carrying a badge. But don't make it sound like the majority of cops are bad. We are talking less than 1% of cops.

 

[goober]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

pAULOsANTOS, Why is it cop bashing when members on this forum ie the public tell others of their displeasure on how the police act and some of the shitty things they do which are out of line -why not just say yes we have a large number of officers on the force with a less than satisfactory attitude -theyre not criminals but they are willing to step on your rights .Now in saying that it really is upto the people the citizens of the USA to vote in and out governments and senators and law makers that allow this stuff to happen -cant just blame the police if this shit carries on year after year !

 

[pawprint]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"all cops"? Where did you get that from? Three, should have concentrated on one, you'd then realize I have never stated, "all cops". You made that up, you are not being honest-anyone that reads the string, can see that I have never stated "all cops". This must be your standard response, rather than agree that we do not have "more rights" now than we had in time past, guns rights are constantly being taken away, and that NJ does have its share of bad cops, if you would like, I'll be happy post some of the bad cops that have been arrested, plead or been found guilty in NJ. I'm surprised you are not aware of any of these guys, as NJ isn't really that large a state, and you've been on top of things there for 11 years? Based on your crude post, and crude way of expressing yourself, and your dishonest post, I would expect you to think that cops should have these scanners available to every patrol car....to fight gangs to be sure. Sorry your last post, has made my point. Dishonest post here, I can only guess what goes on in NJ. </div></div>

The all cops statement was at the recent cop bashing posts on this forum recently where guys called cops all of those names. You just added the child molesters. Sure there have been some cops in NJ and throughout the country that have done stupid shit and got arrested for it. Every profession has its share of bad guys. What's your point? I'm glad they got caught and prosecuted as I don't want them carrying a badge. But don't make it sound like the majority of cops are bad. We are talking less than 1% of cops. </div></div>
Please quit acting and posting as if you had a lot of trouble in 4th grade reading class, okay. I did not add-Child Molester- as a title worn by a cop (or many cops) in NJ-the low life trash that molested the childern added it. Your minimizing their actions-that of molesting childern, to "done stupid shit", is below contempt! What kind of person are you? You think molesting childern falls under "stupid shit"? You really shine as an example of the NJ police, and for that matter-are a perfect example of why the average cop should not be scanning our phones, in fact shouldn't even be cops. Please read the following, as you are unaware of what is happening in your own state:
NEWARK (WABC) -- FBI agents have arrested a Newark cop on accusations he gave drugs to and had sex with minors, as well as paying minors to have sex with each other.

Agents arrested 42-year-old Michael Lalley, a sergeant in the Newark Police Department, at his residence in Jackson.

He is facing a federal charge of obstruction of justice.

According to the criminal complaint, Lalley has been employed by the Newark Police Department (NPD) in various capacities since 1990. The FBI was investigating allegations of police corruption, narcotics activity and sex offenses involving Lalley and others.


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From spring of 2009 to the beginning of 2010, the FBI received reports that Lalley engaged in sexually explicit acts with several minors and caused the minors to engage in those same acts with him. The reports also alleged that Lalley had the minors engage in sexual acts with each other and with third parties, and that Lalley provided cocaine and marijuana to them.

The sexual acts allegedly occurred at Lalley's residence, as well as the Newark police station where he was assigned.

According to the complaint, Lalley paid between $25 and $60 to one victim in exchange for sex when that victim was a minor. This supposedly occurred once or twice a week for a period of two years.

The substance of the charge for which Lalley was arrested centers around allegations that he made several attempts to coach one of the victims into lying to the FBI regarding the allegations.

The complaint alleges that on January 4, 2010, Lalley contacted one of his victims by telephone to warn that he might be contacted by the FBI and that he should lie by stating that there was never any sexual contact between them. He also allegedly said that the victim should lie about his age at the time of the alleged relationship.

In subsequent recorded telephone conversations on January 12 and 19, 2010, Lalley continued to instruct the victim to conceal their sexual relationship. In one of the conversations, Lalley was heard instructing the victim to try to convince two other victims the FBI had been interviewing not to disclose any information about any sexual relations with Lalley, according to the charges.

The complaint further alleges that Lalley specifically told the victim that if he did not state he was over 18 at the time of their alleged relationship, that victim would have to testify in court regarding the matter.

In a third recorded telephone call that occurred on January 19, 2010 (the second one that day), Lalley allegedly explained to the victim that the FBI would never be able to prove the nature of the relationship between he and Lalley as long as he kept quiet.

Authorities say that by January 22, 2010, Lalley was insisting in another recorded telephone conversation that he and the victim meet because their telephones may have been tapped by law enforcement.

"The things for which Sergeant Lalley stands accused undermine the most basic values of law enforcement," said Kevin Cruise, acting Special Agent in Charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Newark Division. "This type of news can put the reputation of all of us who wear a badge at risk. Because the public trust in law enforcement is at stake, it is imperative we take swift action to get to the bottom of this. To that end, we are asking the public to contact the FBI at 973-792-3000 with any information they believe to be relevant to the nature of these allegations."

If convicted on the obstruction charge, Lalley faces up to 20 years in prison and fines.

(Copyright ©2011 WABC-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)


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[paulo_santos]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

Paw Print, get over yourself. I uses "stupid shit" because I couldn't think of anything else that was clean. ANYONE that molests children should have their balls put through a meat grinder. As far as the Officer from Newark, I'd he is convicted, he should get charged like anyone else. You can give all the examples you wnt, but it doesn't change the fact that 99% of the cops are good people.

 

[paulo_santos]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ch'e</div><div class="ubbcode-body">pAULOsANTOS, Why is it cop bashing when members on this forum ie the public tell others of their displeasure on how the police act and some of the shitty things they do which are out of line -why not just say yes we have a large number of officers on the force with a less than satisfactory attitude -theyre not criminals but they are willing to step on your rights .Now in saying that it really is upto the people the citizens of the USA to vote in and out governments and senators and law makers that allow this stuff to happen -cant just blame the police if this shit carries on year after year ! </div></div>

That's because the majority of cops have a satisfactory attitude. Whereas over half of the people we deal with have major attitudes. And they had attitudes before we get called to the scene, so don't blame us. Do you want me to come here everyday and post all of the bad dealing I've had with the public? Guys only come here to post the bad stuff, never the good things that we do everyday.

 

[pawprint]

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You now state, "the majority of cops have a satisfactory attitude". It must be concluded that you know the majority of cops, otherwise you are being dishonest, yet once again. If you are not being dishonest, and in fact know the majority of cops-then you knew all about the child molester, the child porno cop, the drug selling cops, etc., you like having it your way-not the truth, just your way. Sad.
You have also failed to address your other problems: you wrongly stated we have more rights now than ever-you were wrong, and fail to step up like a man and admit it. you credited me with a statement I did not make, then slimed your way around being a man, and said someone else made it, but did not man-up and admit you were wrong once again. Everytime you make these types of dishonest, slimmmmmeeeeee statements, everyone that reads the string can easily see what kind of person you are-child molester= "stupid shit", again sad. BTW, the slime ball, NJ cop, had been a cop for what 20+ years, do you really think he just started this type of crap? After 19 years of being a great cop, one day he woke up and decided to molest boys? Give them cocaine and pot? My guess is this sort of thing has been going on for years and years-right under all those other cops noses-what would you like to bet? Again, you fail to address how giving this type of animal a device to scan anyone he feels like cell phone could help anyone. Forget warrants....blah blah blah, it didn't stop him from giving drugs to and then molesting childern (boys) now did it? He would have been better off being a cop in San Fran-maybe a bath house cop, or some other "special" police force! I'd like you to man-up, once, for the first time in 11 years, and admit some of the statements you have made are just wrong, and dishonest. My guess is, you don't have the metal.

 

[paulo_santos]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

You are ridiculous. You take everything to the extreme. We don't even have those cell phone readers. We have to send out the phone to the county lab to have them downloaded. You think we have those in our patrol cars like radar detectors?

When you decide to act like an adult and stop trying belittle me every chance you get, maybe I'll start answering some of your questions. Until then, keep replying with your ridiculous posts.

And as I said before, that officer should be punished like anyone else. I'm sure he's been doing that for a while and he should get what he deserves if he is guilty.

 

[pawprint]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

I'll let those that have a basic understanding of English, read this string, and make up their own minds on who is being ridiculous! And who can't man-up. Remember, they are your statements, easily understood-they are just dishonest-you have been dishonest, time and again. I've detailed it, the only thing that is ridiculous is having someone like you running around with a badge! Not quite as bad as your child molesting cop, but going down the same road.

 

[paulo_santos]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll let those that have a basic understanding of English, read this string, and make up their own minds on who is being ridiculous! And who can't man-up. Remember, they are your statements, easily understood-they are just dishonest-you have been dishonest, time and again. I've detailed it, the only thing that is ridiculous is having someone like you running around with a badge! Not quite as bad as your child molesting cop, but going down the same road. </div></div>

See, you still can't post something without trying to belittle me.

 

[Numb_Skull]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

I support police officers using these devices especially in the Detroit Metro area, if you didn't know Dearborn, MI has the highest concentration of the arab population in the USA.

 

[pawprint]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

Next you'll support using this type of intrusion against blacks, then maybe jews, or who knows. You sound like a complete fool, there is no place in America for this type of red neck, crap. This is what makes us different from countries run by common trash-get a grip. I didn't think this board allowed these types of comments, but that would be up to the powers to be, you should think before you post this type of thing. Next you'll be using the N word-go sell you crap in NJ, they like that sort of thing up there.

 

[paulo_santos]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Next you'll support using this type of intrusion against blacks, then maybe jews, or who knows. You sound like a complete fool, there is no place in America for this type of red neck, crap. This is what makes us different from countries run by common trash-get a grip. I didn't think this board allowed these types of comments, but that would be up to the powers to be, you should think before you post this type of thing. Next you'll be using the N word-go sell you crap in NJ, they like that sort of thing up there. </div></div>

I actually agree with you. But then you had to throw the NJ crap in there. At least we are making progress. LOL.

 

[Tactical]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

Paw, I see you are still making friends.

Where guys think cops are out there to do evil on good men is sad. I dont know any that want to do evil. I do know some who dont wnat to do anything because its easier to not do anything than put up with crap everytime you do something.

Devices such as this have been available for some time. Heck for years all you needed to do to listen to a cell phone was have a scanner, so anyone who thinks a cell is secure is not schooled very well. Its basically a radio signal and not state of the art to intercept.

Having been a cop for 2.5 decades in US and then doing similar investigative work off shore for US Gov, I am sure you will think of me as evil, but let me explain how things are.

As to cops getting arrested. Well cops are people also and some are crooked like everyone else. When we catch them they are made examples. Last I heard there where roughly 500,000 police officers in US and I am unsure if they included FBI in that. The public pretty much hears of ever single cop taken down for a felony and most misdemeanors so it seems far worse than it is.

Now to fuel that, the job does not pay like it did in 1980s and to attract people, the job requirements have been lowered. When I got in most agencies out here wanted a BA or BS degree, now the same places only require a HS Diploma. When I started if you had any prior arrest forget being a cop and now they are taking people with prior misdemenaor convictions because they have no choice. Only way to fix that is to pay better which is not going to happen anytime soon. Even with requirements being lower the number of bad guys who get into uniform is very small as in less than .01% Not perfect but not out of control.

Now back to warrantless listening:

The FBI has always gone after any police office who is involved in any civil rights violation and warrentless search/listening is one of the hot things, as it always has been. I dont know any cops who would for sake of making a case take a chance on going to jail. Frankly its not worth it. I base this on knowing, over a couple of decades and training thousands of cops, which is a fair sample.

I have personally gotten warrants for similar things and they are not handed out on hunches. You need probable cause a felony has been committed and the persons you want to listen to are involved in the felony, then convince a judge this is only way to gather the evidence. In reality I have not seen a judge sign unless you could convince him exigent circumstances existed in the case, such as some one would die if this was not done. Much, much easier to get search warrant than wire tap warrant. Then the tap warrants come with instructions as to when and who you can listen to. PIA and hardly worth it for most agencies. This will prove similar and I bet only used in extreme cases.

Reasonable cause can be broken down in laymans terms as: if you told 12 jurrors the facts at least nine would believe the felony had been committed and that the individual had been responsible in the felony

Exigent Circimstances can be broken down in laymans terms as: The immediate threat of danger, loss of life or destruction of evidence. Now most judges dont give a poop about loss of evidence and only apply this to immediate danger or loss of life. This is how a warrant becomes no knock. Lets say a Evil Swat Team is approaching a place to do a warrant and see window curtains opened, see guys with guns inside and hear "I am going to kill the first cop who comes in" well they have good reason not to knock and announce there prescence now and its called exigent circumstances.

As to allowing an officer to scan your lap top or phone without a warrant. A warrant should be requirred in this case as he is search for eveidence. I am not a lawyer but I will say this. I tell my kids if you are read your rights or asked to submit to a search to say no. Feeling innocent does not mean being stupid and allowing a warrantless search of anything. You have nothing to gain by allowing any warrentless search. Now dont take that to mean if a cop asks you simple questions on a traffic stop or while he is investigating a crime to not cooperate. Far from that. Just know the difference between "Can I search" and "Did you see who killed that person" Use common sense like in most things

I know this does not fit intop the emotional wants of some folks but this is how it is. No one is out to get you.

 

[pawprint]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

If standing firm on Basic American rights is 'making friends' glad I am. The very idea that phone scans can be easily done with the right Issued equipment, on the hunch, that at some time in the future, these guys may get a warrant, based on reason and evidence, is less than reasonable, in my opininon. Any more than issuing every patrol car a 50bmg- because you can "might happen" all day long. I believe, if you put these type of devices out for the average cop to have "just in case he gets a warrant", they will be used, and used often without a warrant. As one poster suggested, any American with a faith in Islam, should be targeted without warrants. I can't imagine any real American feeling those that practice, islam, or are Jewish, or Baptist, or black.....should be a target. I noticed you responded to my post, but didn't even type one word regarding the attack on American's due to their beliefs, I hope that was just an oversight. I am adding, a post I am calling out, did not actually say Islam, but ARAB. There is no place in America for this type of crap! Pointing out people based on their Character/ their actions, is fine, but their race/creed/color? Again I hope this was an oversight.

 

[Tactical]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

Paw said "I can't imagine any real American feeling those that practice, islam, or are Jewish, or Baptist, or black.....should be a target. I noticed you responded to my post, but didn't even type one word regarding the attack on American's due to their beliefs, I hope that was just an oversight."

I did not respond because the idea of treating Americans based on Religion or Color is not one I share because frankly I dont care what your religion,color or sexual preference is. Every American has the same rights. Anyone who enforces the laws differently because of these things should not be wearing a badge.

Paw I would fight for your rights as well.

 

[paulo_santos]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

Is this guy for real? How many times do we have to tell him that most departments don't have these devices? These devices are generally in the county lab. And you don't get a warrant on mere hunches or suspicion. In order to get a warrant, you pretty much have to show proof to the judge about what the bad guys are doing. In other words, before the judge issues one of these warrants, he has to be convinced that the bad guys are guilty. THESE DEVICES ARE NOT BEING USED ON INNOCENT PEOPLE. THESE DEVICES ARE BEING USED AGAINST CRIMINALS. BEFORE THESE DEVICES ARE EVER USED AGAINST THE CRIMINALS, WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH ALREADY PROVED THAT THESE GUYS ARE GUILTY. Why is that so hard for you to understand Paw Print? No one is violating your rights. Stop being paranoid and get a life. I've been on the Narcotics Team and sat on wire taps. I know how hard it is to get everything approved to get a warrant for these types of things. It generally took us weeks of surveillance to get warrants approved. If you don't know what you are talking about, stay in your lane. There is a fine line between protecting your rights and acting like a POS. You are crossing that line the more you type.

 

[pawprint]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

Originally Posted By: BrushoutI use one all the time. Phones are scanned for intel gathering reasons only. The info that is taken is not directly used in any case, but it assists in compiling intel against others that we are looking for or trying to make a case on. Mainly its used in gang suppression operations. Over the past few years that we have used these cloners, several of our cases have been made and taken to court for dismissal, etc. Never once has a case been tossed out for illegally gathered information. Its all in the articulation from the agents on how it is or was taken. Now with that being said, I am not sure that I could make the same arguments on how this from a simple traffic stop would work, but search incident to arrest we have never had any issues.
Nothing like posting stuff, then refusing to address it, when it is proven wrong! Some may say that is not manning-up, or cowardly, or whatever, I call it: failure to back up what you put down, sorry but these devices in your little dept, may be guarded-but the facts are: they are not everywhere. Is this like: you have more rights today than you ever had? No, the facts are these devices are out there, and are already being used by low life trash, that do not uphold and defend our constitution. Facts are Facts

 

[paulo_santos]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally Posted By: BrushoutI use one all the time. Phones are scanned for intel gathering reasons only. The info that is taken is not directly used in any case, but it assists in compiling intel against others that we are looking for or trying to make a case on. Mainly its used in gang suppression operations. Over the past few years that we have used these cloners, several of our cases have been made and taken to court for dismissal, etc. Never once has a case been tossed out for illegally gathered information. Its all in the articulation from the agents on how it is or was taken. Now with that being said, I am not sure that I could make the same arguments on how this from a simple traffic stop would work, but search incident to arrest we have never had any issues.
Nothing like posting stuff, then refusing to address it, when it is proven wrong! Some may say that is not manning-up, or cowardly, or whatever, I call it: failure to back up what you put down, sorry but these devices in your little dept, may be guarded-but the facts are: they are not everywhere. Is this like: you have more rights today than you ever had? No, the facts are these devices are out there, and are already being used by low life trash, that do not uphold and defend our constitution. Facts are Facts


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Did you ever consider that the officer that posted that is most likely in a specialized unit like Narcotics Unit? You are a paranoid whackjob. Good night.

 

[paulo_santos]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

There's no hope for you. You've gone Charley Sheen on us.

 

[DP425]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wadevb1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Coker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LEO's have been scanning cell phones for years with 800 MHz scanners purchased at radio shack. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy when talking on a cell phone.</div></div>

I've been in LE for close to two decades and I never seen any evidence to your assertion.

This activity would be a FELONY within my State. </div></div>

There is a very, very small amount of truth to this. Before phones went digital, you could intercept a cell phone call if you got onto the correct frequency. However, that frequency is not the same that LE use in their radios. Today with virtually all phones having gone digital, the radio equipment required to intercept AND decipher the communication is above and beyond what any normal unit will have (you could hear it, but it would be just a bunch of noise). I have knowledge of several cases in the early 2000's and mid/late 90's in which NG owned radio equipment installed into a NG vehicle for LE support did in-fact conduct wireless communication interception in the state of Michigan. However, this was always conducted only when covered by a warrant.

Long story short- You're not listening to phone calls off police and emergency freq scanners from radio shack, not then and certainly not now. You cannot walk into anywhere and simply pick up a scanner capable of picking up digital communication traffic. Yes, the gov CAN listen in... but it's not some random patrol cop from Podunk USA PD...

 

[pawprint]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

Cellebrite is the name of the device, here the following is telling:
The data extraction devices (DED) are manufactured by CelleBrite and can quickly extract mobile data, such as contacts, photos, and deleted text messages, from your SD card. CelleBrite counts Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, and other major carriers as customers; the technology is used to transfer data to a new phone when you upgrade.

According to the Detroit Free Press, the Michigan police force bought the devices in 2006. The force justified the purchase as necessary "due to the increasing use of mobile communication devices by criminals to further their criminal activity, and have become a powerful investigative tool used to obtain critical information from criminals."
The ACLU has filed suit, for once they are on the Right side. A few of the questions I'd like to see answered would be:
How many warrants were obtained between 2006-2011 to use these devices?
How is the info collected being used/stored? If for example, a phone is scanned, all info captured, then it turns out to be of zero police value (after a warrant was obtained)is this info being kept? and, If So-who has access to this info? How many of these devices did the police purchase? Who on the force has access? As the Fed controls commo, are these federal warrants? How often are they used without a warrant? What is the policy when a cop is caught using without a warrant?

 

[Tactical]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

Paw, dont worry about cops listening to your phone calls without a warrant. Worry about the comp nerd who listens to your phone calls because he does not care about the laws that protect ease dropping. He just builds his device to listen in much like he sends virus's to your computer. No communication is free of listening from folks willing to violate the law and know how to do so. That excludes most cops as we as a whole can barely turn on a computer. Remember the ACLU considers us all knuckle draggers

Policy on illegal listening without a warrant is charge officer with a felony as its a crime. Like I siad before you dont have anything that important to say for any cop I know to take that chance.

 

[pawprint]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

I hope you are 100% correct! Of course this isn't listening, this is down loading -100% of everything on the phone, to include deleted items etc (see specs on this device). I'll be watching the ACLU's law suit, maybe we can get some answers. If I am wrong, and this device has never been used by the cops to pull info without warrant-I'll man-up and post on this board how wrong I was. If on the other hand, it has been, I'll be watching for others to man-up.....

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops

In before the deletion.