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mid tier defensive/battle AR15
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BCM.
LWRC is pretty fancy, very good guns but pistons are overrated. DD makes nice lightweight guns but they're heavily gassed and expensive. You couldn't go wrong with either the LWRC or the DD but I'd grab a BCM rifle or upper and slap it on a good lower and call it good, they're great guns.
LWRC is pretty fancy, very good guns but pistons are overrated. DD makes nice lightweight guns but they're heavily gassed and expensive. You couldn't go wrong with either the LWRC or the DD but I'd grab a BCM rifle or upper and slap it on a good lower and call it good, they're great guns.
Get the DD. If your life or your family's lives ever depend on your AR you won't mind one bit paying more for quality such as the pinned in gas block on the DD.
If we're throwing out suggestions I'd also take a look at the ADM UIC Mod 1 LE.
Full ambi, some premium parts, great fit and finish, etc.
Full ambi, some premium parts, great fit and finish, etc.
The DD are nice. I owned the DDM4V11 for a bit. Excellent fit/finish and ran very smooth.
I’ve seen a couple LMT pop up on here the last few months. Was about to jump on one a while back and missed the boat. They were in the $1500 range in the px
Mostly I shoot my SW MP15 and PSA rifles. I sold he DD to fund my AIAT.
DD makes in house items. As does LMT. If you go with something like a new Colt CR6920 or even (to my understanding) the civilian FN15 rifles your getting components from several manufacturers assembled by the branded company. Doesn’t mean they don’t work well.
BCM is another assembler. Their rifles tend to get decent feedback
For work guns I’ve used FN, Colt LE6920, Stag Model 8 and some GMC stamped Vietnam era M16’s. All ran great with the surplus ammo. They were also decently maintained
I’ve seen a couple LMT pop up on here the last few months. Was about to jump on one a while back and missed the boat. They were in the $1500 range in the px
Mostly I shoot my SW MP15 and PSA rifles. I sold he DD to fund my AIAT.
DD makes in house items. As does LMT. If you go with something like a new Colt CR6920 or even (to my understanding) the civilian FN15 rifles your getting components from several manufacturers assembled by the branded company. Doesn’t mean they don’t work well.
BCM is another assembler. Their rifles tend to get decent feedback
For work guns I’ve used FN, Colt LE6920, Stag Model 8 and some GMC stamped Vietnam era M16’s. All ran great with the surplus ammo. They were also decently maintained
I bought the 120$ lower and the 270$ M4ish upper they had advertised awhile ago as a birthday present for my younger brother and it runs great. No problems with steel case shit ammo, mags drop free, it even has that rattley upper/lower fit like a "real" one. Gonna buy a couple more while the price is right.
There’s nothing wrong with a Psa. Is it a “battle rifle” no. They’ve had their issues in the past. But for a general all around rifle they’ve come a long ways
The Daniel defense was on another level. But at 3-4x the cost
Nothing wrong with psa or MP15’s in my book. And I’ve owned a few now
I wouldn’t hesitate on a Centurion Arms rifle, either, if you can find one in stock.
I have had 2 piston LWRC's and sold both and currently own a BCM (although IMO their quality has gone down over the years, I've now seen 2 brand new BCM bolts in person that wouldn't extract). Have shot a friend's DD and was not impressed: they are overgassed, overpriced, and way overhyped. I have a KAC SR-15 14.5" that is amazing but expensive. OP, I also own a Triarc Systems TSR-15s 12.5" pistol and the build quality is second to none. Perfectly gassed, zero upper lower "play" or wobble, and accurate. When I first held it, I remarked that the rifle felt like it was one piece, just a solid, solid carbine. That Triarc is what I would go with if you want to avoid proprietary parts or if you don't mind proprietary parts, the KAC or LMT offerings are alpha tier.
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I'd go with a Colt M4 LE6920. Not The CR 6920. My 2nd choice would be the KAC SR-15 if you want a more expensive AR.
What is the difference?
Mile High has CR6920 for $999 w/100rds.
I don't own any colts, but passed on the email to some friends thinking a 6920 was a 6920.
I'm not a fan of piston actions as IMO they do not seem to be as accurate or precise as range increases. Realize it is a small difference but being a long range shooter, for me it matters. Could be why I mostly shoot bolt guns.
Oh, forgot to ask if this is a typo "ID" series LWRC AFAIK is not a thing? Guessing you meant to type DI series?
Oh, forgot to ask if this is a typo "ID" series LWRC AFAIK is not a thing? Guessing you meant to type DI series?
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Geissele Super Duty 16" is on sale from Brownells for $1600. There are also coupon codes, not sure if they stack but LSC is $80 off and free shipping.
20 Colt Mfg CR6700A4 AR15A4 Patrol Rifle w M5 RAS
20 Colt Mfg CR6700A4 AR15A4 Patrol Rifle w M5 RAS
www.thoroughbredarmco.com
Colt CR6920 M4 5.56 16.1 Carbine with Centurion Rail
Colt CR6920 M4 5.56 16.1 Carbine with Centurion Rail
www.thoroughbredarmco.com
If you could still find one for 1,300 I'd say get a PWS Mk116 if you consider using a suppressor.
I second Triarc
A basic rifle from them is 1,599$ and you can add what you want from there ( giessele trigger, A5 buffer, etc.)
Even their basic rifle however is top notch. Its just nice that they let you add the stuff you were going to swap in later anyways right from the factory.
A basic rifle from them is 1,599$ and you can add what you want from there ( giessele trigger, A5 buffer, etc.)
Even their basic rifle however is top notch. Its just nice that they let you add the stuff you were going to swap in later anyways right from the factory.
Yes, companies growing bigger and busy.
Even SOLGW not taking direct orders anymore, only throughout distributor.
Workhorse hmm. I’m trying stay away from KAC, since that be my safe queen. I would only will brag about it.
If you are ready to buy I would definitely get that Geissele without a doubt. That rifle is loaded for the price.
SSA-E X trigger, their buffer system w/ H2, 1:7 mid length, ambi parts and other enhanced parts. I would change the grip and that's it. That's a very nice factory AR.
Ouch. Just throwing them out there as I have been pleased with mine. I would think you could throw one together without too much trouble?
16" middy with 12" BAR rail for:
750.00
Spike's Tactical AR-15 16'' Midlength Upper LE w/12'' BAR Rail
Spike's Tactical AR-15 16' Midlength Upper LE w/12' BAR Rail
www.joeboboutfitters.com
Enhanced lower without stock:
355.00
Spike's Tactical AR-15 Spider ENHANCED Lower - Bullet Markings-NO STOCK
Spike's Tactical AR-15 Spider ENHANCED Lower - Bullet Markings-NO STOCK
www.joeboboutfitters.com
Stock of choice: ???
With shipping/tax/ffl and say 50-100 for a stock what are you at maybe 1,3xx.xx ish? Or buy a stripped forged lower and throw the fire control group/pistol grip/lpk you prefer and have a nice setup that way too. Then maybe throw a raptor ch / sight setup of choice and have a nice rifle.
Try 9 months.
I ordered a 13.9 TS-15s on Dec 30th and they are just now getting to my order. Just waiting on the handgaurd to come in which apparently has been the bottleneck in production lately.
But 100% worth it.
After purchasing mine I was lucky enough to see a guy at the range with one and he let me shoot it. All my doubts went out the window... it did get hard though keeping that in mind when I kept on seeing DD's pop up here and there...
Somebody ought to snap this up: https://www.bereli.com/colt-cr6920-m4-carbine-5-56-nato-ar-15-rifle/?aff=6
I’d build out an ADM ADAC lower to your liking and slap on a 16in Midlength BCM upper and beat the fuck out of it
I don’t think you’ll find a better deal than that Geissele that was posted earlier. For what it’s worth, have shot the Geissele 10.3 shorty and it absolutely rips. Full auto mag dumps with a suppressor were very controllable and had no issues. I now own the 16in rifle, but no select fire lol.
Otherwise, I’d go with SOLGW. Also a very well made, soft shooting rifle. There was a sage dynamics m-76 in the post exchange for sale…
Otherwise, I’d go with SOLGW. Also a very well made, soft shooting rifle. There was a sage dynamics m-76 in the post exchange for sale…
Not knocking SOLGW, but I understand their barrels are made by BA. Hard pass.
As an LMT and DD owner, I will say my LMT is definitely the bees knees. However, when it comes to barrels, you either get LMT or have to wait several weeks for one person who does barrel conversions. The DD is non proprietary. Something to consider. LWRC is probably worse than LMT for barrels.
LMT in stock for 1600 (in cart price).
tombstonetactical.com
LMT Defense DEFENDER-L Rifle 5.56mm 16' Barrel with MLOK Handguard
<h1>The Lewis Machine & Tool MLCDFDR MRP MLC Defender 5.56 16in 30rd Black.</h1> <p>LMT® has developed numerous innovations over the last 35+ years and, as a result, long-time customers have seen models come and go from our arsenal. Veterans of our products will remember the Defender 2000...
Damn!LMT in stock for 1600 (in cart price).
LMT Defense DEFENDER-L Rifle 5.56mm 16' Barrel with MLOK Handguard
<h1>The Lewis Machine & Tool MLCDFDR MRP MLC Defender 5.56 16in 30rd Black.</h1> <p>LMT® has developed numerous innovations over the last 35+ years and, as a result, long-time customers have seen models come and go from our arsenal. Veterans of our products will remember the Defender 2000...
May have to snag one of these
When you get to the $1500 range there are so many good, reliable options. Most people are going to have their favorite and opinion, and most of the time their favorite or opinion isn't wrong necessarily.
I have three DD rifles, but I bought them back when you could find a new DDM4V7 for $1,300-1,400. I love mine, no issues across any (one is actually an Ambush 6.8 that is my hog gun that I scored for $1,330 including the Geissele SSA trigger). Do I trust my life to mine? Absolutely. One DDM4V7 is loaded next to my bed right now, and the other is loaded and ready to go in a safe.
That being said, I'm not sure I'd buy one again at the $1,700+ that I see many selling for.
Given my personal experience with FN (I have a DMR II that is a ranch rifle) and that I carried an FN built M16A4 and M4A1 during different deployments to Iraq, I'm fairly confident in those too. I wouldn't hesitate to buy whichever (DD or FN) over a $200 savings.
^Although that LMT Defender ad above is pretty damn attractive...
I have three DD rifles, but I bought them back when you could find a new DDM4V7 for $1,300-1,400. I love mine, no issues across any (one is actually an Ambush 6.8 that is my hog gun that I scored for $1,330 including the Geissele SSA trigger). Do I trust my life to mine? Absolutely. One DDM4V7 is loaded next to my bed right now, and the other is loaded and ready to go in a safe.
That being said, I'm not sure I'd buy one again at the $1,700+ that I see many selling for.
Given my personal experience with FN (I have a DMR II that is a ranch rifle) and that I carried an FN built M16A4 and M4A1 during different deployments to Iraq, I'm fairly confident in those too. I wouldn't hesitate to buy whichever (DD or FN) over a $200 savings.
^Although that LMT Defender ad above is pretty damn attractive...
This x100. A good price for a versatile platform.LMT in stock for 1600 (in cart price).
LMT Defense DEFENDER-L Rifle 5.56mm 16' Barrel with MLOK Handguard
<h1>The Lewis Machine & Tool MLCDFDR MRP MLC Defender 5.56 16in 30rd Black.</h1> <p>LMT® has developed numerous innovations over the last 35+ years and, as a result, long-time customers have seen models come and go from our arsenal. Veterans of our products will remember the Defender 2000...
The Geisseles have been shitting the bed badly. Like really bad once they get just a little dirty.
This is the first time that I have heard this. Could you post some documentation?
