Advanced Marksmanship MIL Range This......

[psinclair]

 

[psinclair]

Adult male coyote. TT GenII reticle.

 

[roostercogburn98]

200 yards?

Edit- more likely around 267

 

[chrismartin]

~444 yards.
Average male coyote shoulder height 24" (from google anyway), looks to be 1.5 mils.

In meters:
~400 meters
(60cm shoulder height, x 10)/1.5 = 400M (math is much easier in metric)

 

[StrayDog]

333 yds?

 

[Baron23]

333 yds?

Yeah, I’m sort of w you. About 300 yds.

Figure bit less than a yard long and subtending 3 mil.

(1 * 1000)/3 = 333 but I think a yard maybe a bit too long. We do have coyotes in Maryland, reportedly, but I’ve never seen one.

So maybe even 275.

But I might be reading this reticle wrong.

Is each mark (both line and dot) a mil or are the lines .5 mil?

 

[Dthomas3523]

~400 ish

Even if wrong and it’s closer to 300, dial in 350 dope and you’re only off .3 mil either way. It’s sitting, so you’re not in bad shape.

 

[Rokfor2K]

(1 * 1000)/3 = 333

What is this formula? what 1 means in it?

 

[Baron23]

What is this formula? what 1 means in it?

One yard = my estimate of the length off the coyote and I think it subtends 3 mils.

If length in inches, then length times 27,000 (if I recall correctly) divided by mils that are subtended.

 

[Dthomas3523]

One yard = my estimate of the length off the coyote and I think it subtends 3 mils.

If length in inches, then length times 27,000 (if I recall correctly) divided by mils that are subtended.

Inches x 27.77 / mils

 

[sea2summit]

Adult male coyote. TT GenII reticle.

FFP or adjusted correctly?

 

[Baron23]

Inches x 27.77 / mils

Haha. Thank you!! Yeah, 27k couldn’t possibly be right!! LOL what I get for lazily writing a post on my phone from the couch.

At least I did remember 27! Haha

I di find it easier to estimate target dimension in yards (or a fraction thereof) and stick to multiplying by 1k so that’s the one I committed to memory in my very small brain! The math is just more simple for me LOL

Thanks again for correcting my obvious error.

 

[MCHOG]

330 yards based on 24 inches at 2 mils

 

[psinclair]

FFP or adjusted correctly?

FFP....

 

[sea2summit]

If the ears are ~4” I’m going with a hair past 200m/220y.

 

[Trigger Monkey]

I'm going with 343 yards after I averaged two measurements that I got together.

 

[hlee]

360 yards. 26” tall and 2 mils.

 

[308pirate]

 

[RAWHDE]

I based off 1 yd tall measuring 2.5 mils = 400yds (1000 x 1 / 2.5)

 

[hlee]

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I tried that, but I think I was too close to the computer screen. I couldn‘t get a range...

 

[308pirate]

I tried that, but I think I was too close to the computer screen. I couldn‘t get a range...

Gotta be at least 10 yards away from that one to work, at least going by mine.

 

[Smokenaces]

303 yards

 

[_Raining]

I feel like this thread is a good example of how much of a shit show it is to try to mil range something. Google is spouting a whole bunch of different heights for coyotes, most don't specify the difference between male/female or different parts of the country, some don't even specify what "tall" means but most say "at the shoulder". Are there any good websites that have more detailed measurements (for each combination of age, gender, geographic location etc) of different animals we hunt?

I assume OP had a rangefinder and is just waiting for a decent amount of people to reply before giving what his rangefinder said and then people can see how close they were.

 

[Powder_Burns]

370 yards... I’m thinking 30” at 2.25 mil.

 

[Dthomas3523]

I feel like this thread is a good example of how much of a shit show it is to try to mil range something. Google is spouting a whole bunch of different heights for coyotes, most don't specify the difference between male/female or different parts of the country, some don't even specify what "tall" means but most say "at the shoulder". Are there any good websites that have more detailed measurements (for each combination of age, gender, geographic location etc) of different animals we hunt?

I assume OP had a rangefinder and is just waiting for a decent amount of people to reply before giving what his rangefinder said and then people can see how close they were.

Yep. Mil ranging is not precise at all. To do it properly, you need to account for the high and low end possibilities and use dope in the middle.

Not to mention lighting an other such shit building in more error.

I’d consider mil ranging and engaging a sitting coyote as it provides a good bit of vertical. I’d likely not engage it standing/walking based on mil range as you’re now well outside the error.

 

[b2lee]

277 yards .....7 and 3/4 inches

 

[_Raining]

7 and 3/4 inches

What does this mean?

 

[b2lee]

What does this mean?

It mean that it is 277 yards.....and to be more precisie.....it is an additional 7.75 inches beyond that range....so not 278 yards. ....just my way of adding a little sarcasm.

 

[_Raining]

It mean that it is 277 yards.....and to be more precisie.....it is an additional 7.75 inches beyond that range....so not 278 yards. ....just my way of adding a little sarcasm.

Oh thank god. I thought you were suggesting a hold over lol.

 

[Highspeed_gardener]

277 yards .....7 and 3/4 inches

I got 277.8 for 18”at the shoulder. 308 for 20” shoulder. Guess I’m going with 293 yards when I average.

 

[Dr. Strangelove_207]

288yds based on a guess at 26” height and 2.5mils.

What’s the prize for getting closest?

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Come on Drew Cary whats the actual number?

 

[hlee]

All of this illustrates how fraught with peril mil ranging a target really is. We have estimates from 200 to 400 yards. So, now for those so inclined. Assuming a center of mass shot on this guy, if the actual range is 200Y, would a 400y hold hit or sail high. Would a 200 yard hold hit or drop in the dirt below the target. Show your work. What cartridge at what speed, bullet weight, etc...

 

[Trigger Monkey]

We're looking at a picture here so it's impossible to get perspective really but in the field I would hope a good marksman would know the difference between something at 200 yards and something potentially double that distance. However, if you had 400 yard dope dialed in and it's actually 200 yards away, your round is sailing over it and conversely if it's more like 400 and you have 200 dialed in, you're kicking up dirt.

Here's my work:

I'm taking some liberties with dimensions but it's a natural animal and this gives me a fair spread. The red circle is a .6 mil wide "kill zone", roughly.

32" @ 2.65 mils = 351 yards
I don't know the exact height of course but 32" seemed reasonable.

24" @ 1.9 mils = 335 yards
We can't see the bottom of the paws so I fudged where I predicted they would be behind that shrub.

Averaged together I'm looking at about 343 yards.

Plugged in for my 6.5 Creedmoor slinging factory Hornady 140 ELD-M's at 2695 fps, my dope for 343 yards is 1.4 mils. As long as the actual target distance is between 310 - 370-ish yards there's a high probability I'm within the .6 mil circle.

Using data from a Tikka T3x CTR pushing Hornady 143 ELD-X's at 2495 fps the same 343 yard range would require 1.8 mils and reduces my margin of error to 320-360 yards give or take.

16" AR -15 shooting Hornady 62 gr Spire Points at 2967 fps would be about 1.5 mils of elevation for 343 yards and gives me a margin of error of between 330-370 yards.

All of those hypothetical calculations assume a 100 yard zero.

 

[_Raining]

Plugged in for my 6.5 Creedmoor slinging factory Hornady 140 ELD-M's at 2695 fps, my dope for 343 yards is 1.4 mils. As long as the actual target distance is between 310 - 370-ish yards there's a high probability I'm within the .6 mil circle.

Is that 310-370 range factoring in the rifles cone of fire?

 

[Trigger Monkey]

Yeah my dope for those ranges is about .2 mil above and below my dope for 343 yards so it gives me a little buffer so that I can theoretically stay within the .6 mil circle.

 

[Powder_Burns]

Shoot a 165gr ballistic tip at 3500fps out of a 30-378 wby, at mbpr zero like a fudd. 4.8” high at 200, 3.8” low at 400. 2590 ft lbs of KE at 400, even if you miss vitals he gone.

 

[hlee]

I wish @psinclair would show back up so that we can all “finish” already...

 

[Highspeed_gardener]

I wish @psinclair would show back up so that we can all “finish” already...

Ditto

 

[TxWelder35]

I feel like my life is incomplete after reading all
This now.


Take away, mil ranging is a shit show

 

[NighthawkCG]

I've heard MOA are better for this sort of thing. Can anyone confirm that?

But I'm putting on 300 m dope and aiming center.

 

[Liberator52]

By the time you figure all this shit out......he's long gone. At least the ones I hunt.

 

[acourvil]

I had a discussion like this with a buddy once. His answer was "just shoot it"

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Hard to belive anyone with a $4,000 scope on to of a $3,000 rifle doesn't also have a range finder.

 

[357Max]

I'm getting 315 yds doing it in my head without google or calc. Assuming 1st focal plane & half mil sub-tensions on ret.
I have recently seen Coyotes up close so I do have a frame of reference for size @ about 26" ear tip to toe sitting.

This is a good exercise. Perfect for my SWFA SS 3-9 mil dot on 6.8SPC

 

[E-Tool]

330 yards, I don’t count ears or feet, not something I wanna hit, aim small miss small.

 

[USMC22]

So whats the winning number?

 

[Jabot]

I milled him from chest to hip. He's slightly angled away so I judged him to be 18" chest to hip 333 yards

 

[eastexsteve]

The formula I use is this:

(Height of target in yards x 1,000) / height of target in mils

I shoot coyotes all the time. Coyotes here are big. I give him 36 inches from the top of his ears to the ground. He will be that height standing or sitting.

So, it's:

(1 x 1,000) / 2.6

It's 385 yards, rounded. 20 or 21 clicks up on either of my .308 guns and I own him.

 

[Powder_Burns]

@psinclair so whats the range to target? Its been a week.