Top Marine General: We Need to Get Comfortable with 'Throwaway' Equipment
The Pentagon needs to think differently about investments, Marine Commandant Gen. David Berger said.
How does a unmanned craft tend to the wounded?
Military folks explain this to me please
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How does a unmanned craft tend to the wounded?
They dont. Never heard of any of anything like that.Top Marine General: We Need to Get Comfortable with 'Throwaway' Equipment
The Pentagon needs to think differently about investments, Marine Commandant Gen. David Berger said.news.yahoo.com
How does a unmanned craft tend to the wounded?
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Skynet is becoming aware.
Bill Gates wants to lower population by a bunch and he will need a drone army to do the fighting he is ill prepared for.
I keep hoping this guy is O.P. Smith but I have my doubts.
Bill Gates wants to lower population by a bunch and he will need a drone army to do the fighting he is ill prepared for.
I keep hoping this guy is O.P. Smith but I have my doubts.
not a military person , but in past wars is been cheaper to leave items ( tanks , guns , bombs , bullets, cloths , cars and trucks , and trash ) than to find them pack them up and bring them home why do that when you can just order new stuff at the taxpayers expense besides you can leave your unwanted munitions , toxic ship in unwanted medical waist what ever it is leave it for someone else to clean up and use against you 10 years later . the circle of life , and the circle of helping taxpayers understand why they are allowed to exist . To pay for someone else's crap yea yea .
I was smh reading how we wanted to model our Navy after the Bass Tracker Iranians, but the last three paragraphs in the article made me go wtf?
Meh, all we have to do is get a petition going and we can change the policies....
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A) Not all troops are wounded to the point they cannot walk or be mobile.Top Marine General: We Need to Get Comfortable with 'Throwaway' Equipment
The Pentagon needs to think differently about investments, Marine Commandant Gen. David Berger said.
How does a unmanned craft tend to the wounded?
B) Troops on the ground may tend the wounded. Hence they are "loaded" onto (insert equipment).
The whole conversation is a "what if" or "how about" discussion. The concepts are already in place in some areas of the world and the USA. For a point I can speak to the use of "unmanned" devices to save people. The Orange Beach/Gulf Shores AL area are using a remote controlled "unmanned" device to save people caught in rip currents along the beaches. The device is intended to get "rapid response life saving measures" to the person in trouble UNTIL they can be reached by humans.
So looking to what the military is suggesting: One helo and ALL the manpower required to run it out to bring back a troop with "minor" injuries is not cost effective. Not to mention IF the area is way too hot in enemy action. IF I can have or be able to use 10-15 "unmanned" devices to ferry 1-2 wounded troops back to an area that's better for triage/medical support then is pennies on the dollar for use while still getting the job done.
As far as "throw away" equipment: There's TONS of stuff that's deemed one-time use . Most clothing that is issued is not recoverable.
The bigger discussion is how to make an aircraft/ship "disposable". Which is a LOT deeper/longer discussion that can happen but the "good idea fairy" needs to be kept away.
Rather lose a drone or disposal robot, than even one soldier.
Robots don't have families and friends.
Robots don't have families and friends.
Looks like the USMC instead of having the mindset "No problem too big" is starting to doubt itself....
mca-marines.org
I think the Commandant may be surrendering the USMC.
The threats posed in the question are valid but they are obstacles to overcome, not surrender to.
I think this is a signal Division sized USMC operations are a thing of the past. We are now a rubber boat, 75 man raid party to sow confusion behind enemy lines.
There is no longer USMC armor or artillery capability. They are now replaced by HIMARS or will be subcontracted from the Army. Our air capability remains our unique asset and would be critical to support this "Raider" concept Marine Corps.
The Eagle Globe and Anchor may become a mere combat patch on the right or left shoulder of the Joint services Uniform.
@308pirate @buffalowinter Im sure there are others with more exalted military careers than myself - a mere corporal (only promoted to E5 after EAS), may have.......corporals are notorious for strategizing above their pay grade.
So much for "The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps"
I think the Commandant needs to re-read his history....
In the WWII Pacific Island hopping campaigns our Navy subjected the Japanese to days on days of Naval gunfire/Air operations area denial weapons guaranteeing the Marines going ashore "not a living Jap" would face them on landing. Typically it was 30 days later and thousands of casualties before the landing Marines returned to ask "WTF?"
The Commandant should be unequivocally stating the USMC will take the beach the only thing in doubt, and its a question for others to answer......What are you going to do to get us to the tide line?
EDIT/ADD......I posted my comment, which was pretty much this post, to MCAF......Ill be interested to see if they respond. As all service rags are they tend to be pretty woke and dumb. I lost all hope when the retired Colonel Editor argued the M14 only had an effective range of 600 yards and she publicly dressed down a Master Sgt in the letters to the editor page for his questioning the importance of "wokeism" over "combat readiness" by calling the Commandant basically a pussy.
EDIT/ADD.......After having read the papers of the military people that posted I note one assumption that seems to drive their thinking........casualties and the mistaken US notion of what the reality of war is.
The general US population currently exists under the notion that battle casualties are counted in single digits not by the hundreds or thousands.
The last conflict since Vietnam, other than the Barracks Bombing, where fights resulted in reporting of numbers even greater than a couple dozen escapes me.
We as a society are not prepared for war with reports indicating hundreds or thousands dead on the beach.
Our enemies are not only willing to accept that of their own but they intend to have us pay it. It has been proven our own media is their best weapon to destroy the US public will.
Call to Action: Are Joint Forcible Entry Operations Still Viable? - MCA
Joint Forcible Entry Operations “JFEO” are defined as: “Seizing and holding of a military lodgment in the face of armed opposition or forcing access into a denied area to allow movement and maneuver to accomplish the mission.” Given the proliferation of Anti-Access and Area Denial (A2AD) weapons...
mca-marines.org
I think the Commandant may be surrendering the USMC.
The threats posed in the question are valid but they are obstacles to overcome, not surrender to.
I think this is a signal Division sized USMC operations are a thing of the past. We are now a rubber boat, 75 man raid party to sow confusion behind enemy lines.
There is no longer USMC armor or artillery capability. They are now replaced by HIMARS or will be subcontracted from the Army. Our air capability remains our unique asset and would be critical to support this "Raider" concept Marine Corps.
The Eagle Globe and Anchor may become a mere combat patch on the right or left shoulder of the Joint services Uniform.
@308pirate @buffalowinter Im sure there are others with more exalted military careers than myself - a mere corporal (only promoted to E5 after EAS), may have.......corporals are notorious for strategizing above their pay grade.
So much for "The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps"
I think the Commandant needs to re-read his history....
In the WWII Pacific Island hopping campaigns our Navy subjected the Japanese to days on days of Naval gunfire/Air operations area denial weapons guaranteeing the Marines going ashore "not a living Jap" would face them on landing. Typically it was 30 days later and thousands of casualties before the landing Marines returned to ask "WTF?"
The Commandant should be unequivocally stating the USMC will take the beach the only thing in doubt, and its a question for others to answer......What are you going to do to get us to the tide line?
EDIT/ADD......I posted my comment, which was pretty much this post, to MCAF......Ill be interested to see if they respond. As all service rags are they tend to be pretty woke and dumb. I lost all hope when the retired Colonel Editor argued the M14 only had an effective range of 600 yards and she publicly dressed down a Master Sgt in the letters to the editor page for his questioning the importance of "wokeism" over "combat readiness" by calling the Commandant basically a pussy.
EDIT/ADD.......After having read the papers of the military people that posted I note one assumption that seems to drive their thinking........casualties and the mistaken US notion of what the reality of war is.
The general US population currently exists under the notion that battle casualties are counted in single digits not by the hundreds or thousands.
The last conflict since Vietnam, other than the Barracks Bombing, where fights resulted in reporting of numbers even greater than a couple dozen escapes me.
We as a society are not prepared for war with reports indicating hundreds or thousands dead on the beach.
Our enemies are not only willing to accept that of their own but they intend to have us pay it. It has been proven our own media is their best weapon to destroy the US public will.
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The whole point of wounding an American solder instead of killing him is that it takes 2-3 other men out of the fight to tend to him. This was well-established throughout the 20th century, no?
Well, what if you had technology to care for the wounded that doesn't require other soldiers to stop fighting? I don't see where this requires particularly large leaps of the imagination. A small fleet of autonomous ATVs could assist with evacing the wounded back to the point where autonomous helicopters can transport them to a field hospital, and then maybe we get fewer situations where someone lobs a hail-Mary RPG into a Blackhawk or Chinook and racks up several additional kills (in addition to $10 mil in lost equipment) just because one poor SOB took a non-fatal hit.
To me, the more interesting part of this article was the mention of "throwaway" equipment. That's a whole 'nother thread, but it will be fascinating to watch the Raytheons, Lockheads, and BAEs of the defense world thrash in agony - like the T1000 at the end of Terminator 2 - in response to this proposal.
Certainly, if we intend to fight China in the upcoming decades, it won't be won using Cold War or GWOT doctrine. Put a single $550 mil B-21 with a design life of 50 years up against a few thousand "swarm" drones and see which approach proves to be the better investment.
Well, what if you had technology to care for the wounded that doesn't require other soldiers to stop fighting? I don't see where this requires particularly large leaps of the imagination. A small fleet of autonomous ATVs could assist with evacing the wounded back to the point where autonomous helicopters can transport them to a field hospital, and then maybe we get fewer situations where someone lobs a hail-Mary RPG into a Blackhawk or Chinook and racks up several additional kills (in addition to $10 mil in lost equipment) just because one poor SOB took a non-fatal hit.
To me, the more interesting part of this article was the mention of "throwaway" equipment. That's a whole 'nother thread, but it will be fascinating to watch the Raytheons, Lockheads, and BAEs of the defense world thrash in agony - like the T1000 at the end of Terminator 2 - in response to this proposal.
Certainly, if we intend to fight China in the upcoming decades, it won't be won using Cold War or GWOT doctrine. Put a single $550 mil B-21 with a design life of 50 years up against a few thousand "swarm" drones and see which approach proves to be the better investment.
A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
If some engineer came up to me and said "The beauty of this weapon is that it kills nobody, it only wounds them" Id tell him to wound his asshole with it.
Having just read "Last Stand of Fox 2/7" and their fight to hold Tok Tong pass there are a lot of Chinese that cant argue the "wounding over killing" debate because the Marines made them 30-06 dead after finding out shooting those Chinese with M1 Carbines meant an enemy still inclined to kill you.
I like the concept of the "robot stretcher bearer".
For soldiers that can self treat to stabilize and than summons their own evac via a "Help me Ive fallen and cant get up" device it would be game changing.
For the unable to stabilize you still need the corpsman to do his thing before having the robot arrive.
The movie Terminator looks more and more like prophecy each day.
Our "Big Scale" technology is prey to disposables.
War will be literally the shit that it is because we will have to fight it in the sewers or through mining operations like WWI or Petersburg "Battle of the Crater" style.
I fear the elites will realize this and its just going to be a game.
No one will risk existential conflict because no one will survive the lethality of it.
War will be a neat "controlled" game with limited raids, expenditures of so much ordinance and replacement contracts for the munitions used. Cocktails and hand shakes after.
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Ever heard of Blue Force Tracker??? It's there....just need to scale down. Pretty sure it's already done.
Not to mention there was a company that worked with SFAS. During SFAS they fitting those in selection with a shirt that had sensors built in. Here's the kicker. They could follow the soldiers by GPS as well as physical indications. During the training the instructors would be there with the contractors watching what was happening with the soldiers. Amazing they would see a drop in heart rates during the night time iterations. They would GPS locate the troop, creep in with NVGs, .....OH....there you are sleeping. Pack your stuff....
So there are already means to monitor the health of troops from remote locations. There's already means to track troops individual movements. So now lets shrink down the equipment, get better sensors, and start remote "unmanned" recovery.
$10.00 says there's some Joe in the wood line right now testing the equipment. Getting loaded on some sort of tracked/wheeled vehicle. Next up.....aviation recovery.
Looks like the USMC instead of having the mindset "No problem too big" is starting to doubt itself....
Call to Action: Are Joint Forcible Entry Operations Still Viable? - MCA
Joint Forcible Entry Operations “JFEO” are defined as: “Seizing and holding of a military lodgment in the face of armed opposition or forcing access into a denied area to allow movement and maneuver to accomplish the mission.” Given the proliferation of Anti-Access and Area Denial (A2AD) weapons...
I think the Commandant may be surrendering the USMC.
The threats posed in the question are valid but they are obstacles to overcome, not surrender to.
I think this is a signal Division sized USMC operations are a thing of the past. We are now a rubber boat, 75 man raid party to sow confusion behind enemy lines.
There is no longer USMC armor or artillery capability. They are now replaced by HIMARS or will be subcontracted from the Army. Our air capability remains our unique asset and would be critical to support this "Raider" concept Marine Corps.
The Eagle Globe and Anchor may become a mere combat patch on the right or left shoulder of the Joint services Uniform.
@308pirate @buffalowinter Im sure there are others with more exalted military careers than myself - a mere corporal (only promoted to E5 after EAS), may have.......corporals are notorious for strategizing above their pay grade.
So much for "The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps"
I think the Commandant needs to re-read his history....
In the WWII Pacific Island hopping campaigns our Navy subjected the Japanese to days on days of Naval gunfire/Air operations area denial weapons guaranteeing the Marines going ashore "not a living Jap" would face them on landing. Typically it was 30 days later and thousands of casualties before the landing Marines returned to ask "WTF?"
The Commandant should be unequivocally stating the USMC will take the beach the only thing in doubt, and its a question for others to answer......What are you going to do to get us to the tide line?
EDIT/ADD......I posted my comment, which was pretty much this post, to MCAF......Ill be interested to see if they respond. As all service rags are they tend to be pretty woke and dumb. I lost all hope when the retired Colonel Editor argued the M14 only had an effective range of 600 yards and she publicly dressed down a Master Sgt in the letters to the editor page for his questioning the importance of "wokeism" over "combat readiness" by calling the Commandant basically a pussy.
EDIT/ADD.......After having read the papers of the military people that posted I note one assumption that seems to drive their thinking........casualties and the mistaken US notion of what the reality of war is.
The general US population currently exists under the notion that battle casualties are counted in single digits not by the hundreds or thousands.
The last conflict since Vietnam, other than the Barracks Bombing, where fights resulted in reporting of numbers even greater than a couple dozen escapes me.
We as a society are not prepared for war with reports indicating hundreds or thousands dead on the beach.
Our enemies are not only willing to accept that of their own but they intend to have us pay it. It has been proven our own media is their best weapon to destroy the US public will.
The issue is tech.
The idea of a lodgement is that it allows you to build and have the structures needed to logistically support expansion of operations as well as recover troop morale and readiness in the face of the enemy.
The issue with a lodgement in today’s total war scenario is the enemies ability to apply firepower in the form of missiles, drones, cyber warfare, psyops etc etc.
If you can continue delivering high intensity conflict level effects upon a lodgement without expending the logistical resources needed to support a traditional HIC you can defeat the usefulness of the lodgement.
For example, robotic missile carriers circling out of CRAMS range can continue to harass the lodgement and fix the forces in it so it becomes just a series of overextended resources instead of a net asset.
Missiles fired from subs half a world away at the encampment. Drone swarms. Ground hunter killer robots. Laser fire from space assets. De-localization of the threat vectors.
That was the scenario at Gallipoli I guess.
These points are truths pretty much anywhere on the Globe now.
Perhaps we have reached the end of "peer to peer" war.
I've seen that Some. Wholly information overload Batman.
Natick Labs is nearby, I'd love to go through that place and see what toys the play with.
So whoever controls the satellite transmission of gps signals on the high end and the rf signals on the cheap end is the victor. I can say , with extreme confidence, that no IT members from my place of work will ever be recruited lol
