Advanced Marksmanship military vs. FBI maximum moa?
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Re: military vs. FBI maximum moa?
Correct. I don't know what kind of response you were hoping for but yes the M24 SWS was guaranteed to shoot 1 moa or better by Remington.
FBI has to deal with hostage situations requiring higher precision, such as a central nervous system incapacitation shot.
Military just wants to get a vital hit somewhere so accuracy can be a bit less.
Correct. I don't know what kind of response you were hoping for but yes the M24 SWS was guaranteed to shoot 1 moa or better by Remington.
FBI has to deal with hostage situations requiring higher precision, such as a central nervous system incapacitation shot.
Military just wants to get a vital hit somewhere so accuracy can be a bit less.
Re: military vs. FBI maximum moa?
They were issuing HS Pro 2000's back in 2004, that was the first non-custom rifle they used. I believe now they are issuing FN A3G's. Of course what the guys in the field get and the boys at HRT get are two completely different sets of standards.
They were issuing HS Pro 2000's back in 2004, that was the first non-custom rifle they used. I believe now they are issuing FN A3G's. Of course what the guys in the field get and the boys at HRT get are two completely different sets of standards.
Re: military vs. FBI maximum moa?
I would guess the military also has an issue with reliability, their guns would be used in a very harsh environment, ice, sand, mud, etc. and a gun with very tight tolerences would fail easily, just a guess though im not sure, but I agree with McCrazy also
I would guess the military also has an issue with reliability, their guns would be used in a very harsh environment, ice, sand, mud, etc. and a gun with very tight tolerences would fail easily, just a guess though im not sure, but I agree with McCrazy also
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Well sorta true. IIRC they split the contract between FN and HS. But very few rifles were actually delivered. I think it was a few HS but I think something like 2 FN's.
Well sorta true. IIRC they split the contract between FN and HS. But very few rifles were actually delivered. I think it was a few HS but I think something like 2 FN's.
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I would imagine it is harder to promise the better accuracy with a gun that is carried and used in harsh infil methods. I would imagine snipers in the states grab their guns out of the box and find a spot. The Mil snipers will be carrying the sniper systems threw harsh conditions and in a variety of different vehicles. I know my M4 takes a beating when I would go out. I can only imagine a sniper system taking one as well. I would hate to put a stamp on something knowing it is going to bite me later if it does not hold its accuracy. 2cents anyway
I would imagine it is harder to promise the better accuracy with a gun that is carried and used in harsh infil methods. I would imagine snipers in the states grab their guns out of the box and find a spot. The Mil snipers will be carrying the sniper systems threw harsh conditions and in a variety of different vehicles. I know my M4 takes a beating when I would go out. I can only imagine a sniper system taking one as well. I would hate to put a stamp on something knowing it is going to bite me later if it does not hold its accuracy. 2cents anyway
Re: military vs. FBI maximum moa?
The M24 contract... holds 1 minute at 800m. I dont think the FBI criteria is 800m. Still, I've seen a lot of M24s (I commanded the sniper school at benning for 2 years) and they were all well under a MOA. With lake city match it was junk if it was over 3/4. When we shot hand loads (all the brass wont let you for CYA reasons) 3/8 wasnt uncommon. There were a few that were true 1/4 moa and then there were some that wouldnt do much better than .6 something..... SAKO TRG has my vote. I've seen many a custom rig that wouldnt shoot better than the factory TRG.
The M24 contract... holds 1 minute at 800m. I dont think the FBI criteria is 800m. Still, I've seen a lot of M24s (I commanded the sniper school at benning for 2 years) and they were all well under a MOA. With lake city match it was junk if it was over 3/4. When we shot hand loads (all the brass wont let you for CYA reasons) 3/8 wasnt uncommon. There were a few that were true 1/4 moa and then there were some that wouldnt do much better than .6 something..... SAKO TRG has my vote. I've seen many a custom rig that wouldnt shoot better than the factory TRG.
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hiddenshooter... thats some pretty tight grouping! If you don't mind me asking... how many shots in a string - 3, 5, 10?
hiddenshooter... thats some pretty tight grouping! If you don't mind me asking... how many shots in a string - 3, 5, 10?
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I taught at 1st. Mar Div Sniper School from 91-94, the vast majority of our M40's would shoot .5 MOA (100 yards) with good ammo. My personal rifle would often shoot .35-.40 for an average at 100 yards. 3 shot groups.
I taught at 1st. Mar Div Sniper School from 91-94, the vast majority of our M40's would shoot .5 MOA (100 yards) with good ammo. My personal rifle would often shoot .35-.40 for an average at 100 yards. 3 shot groups.
Re: military vs. FBI maximum moa?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hiddenshooter... thats some pretty tight grouping! If you don't mind me asking... how many shots in a string - 3, 5, 10?
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The industry standard is 3 shot groups. But...we know better.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hiddenshooter... thats some pretty tight grouping! If you don't mind me asking... how many shots in a string - 3, 5, 10?
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The industry standard is 3 shot groups. But...we know better.
Re: military vs. FBI maximum moa?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hiddenshooter... thats some pretty tight grouping! If you don't mind me asking... how many shots in a string - 3, 5, 10?
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The industry standard is 3 shot groups. But...we know better. </div></div>
Three consecutive shots......?.?.?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hiddenshooter... thats some pretty tight grouping! If you don't mind me asking... how many shots in a string - 3, 5, 10?
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The industry standard is 3 shot groups. But...we know better. </div></div>
Three consecutive shots......?.?.?
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