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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... no one seems to know when the mil/mil version will be out. </div></div>
Mike Skaramagos of Tactical Coordination here in Arizona is a dealer for them, I asked him to call Millet a couple weeks ago to ask about the mil/mil scope project. They told him that since the company swapped hands, the TRS-2 project is on indefinite hold and will probably be canx'd.
ETA: Ended up going the Leupy route, 2x LR/Ts FFP. They're in the custom shop getting .1mil turrets right now.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... no one seems to know when the mil/mil version will be out. </div></div>
Mike Skaramagos of Tactical Coordination here in Arizona is a dealer for them, I asked him to call Millet a couple weeks ago to ask about the mil/mil scope project. They told him that since the company swapped hands, the TRS-2 project is on indefinite hold and will probably be canx'd.
ETA: Ended up going the Leupy route, 2x LR/Ts FFP. They're in the custom shop getting .1mil turrets right now.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">steelcomp, did you already share your story? </div></div>I'm sorry...that sounded like there was a story behind it...probably the wrong choice of words. What I've learned since buying my Millet is that I prefer mil/mil knobs which match a mil reticlce, and that a FFP design more meets my intended use of the rifle/scope. Nothing at all wrong with the Millet, if moa/moa knobs and SFP reticle are OK for your application. Sorry for any confusion.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">steelcomp, did you already share your story? </div></div>I'm sorry...that sounded like there was a story behind it...probably the wrong choice of words. What I've learned since buying my Millet is that I prefer mil/mil knobs which match a mil reticlce, and that a FFP design more meets my intended use of the rifle/scope. Nothing at all wrong with the Millet, if moa/moa knobs and SFP reticle are OK for your application. Sorry for any confusion.
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I own three DMS. One on an AR, one on a MSAR, and one that was on a M1A. I never had a problem until today...
I sold the Sage EBR off my M1A and mounted the DMS on a Marlin 444 Outfitter. The scope had held up to hundreds of rounds of .308. After four rounds out of the .444 there were little black specks and the cross hairs started to disappear. I adjusted the focus, nothing. I thought maybe it was eye fatigue but no. When I turned it from 4X back to 1X the reticle rotated 90 degrees. To say the least I'm a little surprised considering that a friend of mine has one on a .458 Lott and it's had zero problems. This is not a knock on Millett, I'm going to call tomorrow and see what I need to do for warranty work.
I own three DMS. One on an AR, one on a MSAR, and one that was on a M1A. I never had a problem until today...
I sold the Sage EBR off my M1A and mounted the DMS on a Marlin 444 Outfitter. The scope had held up to hundreds of rounds of .308. After four rounds out of the .444 there were little black specks and the cross hairs started to disappear. I adjusted the focus, nothing. I thought maybe it was eye fatigue but no. When I turned it from 4X back to 1X the reticle rotated 90 degrees. To say the least I'm a little surprised considering that a friend of mine has one on a .458 Lott and it's had zero problems. This is not a knock on Millett, I'm going to call tomorrow and see what I need to do for warranty work.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WusteHase</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ETA: Ended up going the Leupy route, 2x LR/Ts FFP. They're in the custom shop getting .1mil turrets right now. </div></div>
I just spoke with a Leupold Tech two days ago, who informed me that they don't fit .1mil turrets to scopes that were originally made with MOA turrets. Who did you talk to there, or better yet, when are your scopes due for delivery? I'd be VERY interested in photos/details once you get to look them over . . .
Back on topic, I'm getting a used DMS-1 the end of this week. Once I sight it in, I'd be happy to run the box test and see how it does, then post results.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WusteHase</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ETA: Ended up going the Leupy route, 2x LR/Ts FFP. They're in the custom shop getting .1mil turrets right now. </div></div>
I just spoke with a Leupold Tech two days ago, who informed me that they don't fit .1mil turrets to scopes that were originally made with MOA turrets. Who did you talk to there, or better yet, when are your scopes due for delivery? I'd be VERY interested in photos/details once you get to look them over . . .
Back on topic, I'm getting a used DMS-1 the end of this week. Once I sight it in, I'd be happy to run the box test and see how it does, then post results.
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Why so much importance on how well their warranty is handled or how much to ship the scope, so far on this post more people have problems with Millett than don't. Who wants to buy a scope, mount it sight it in,take it off send it back, reinstall it, sight it in again. And then wonder how long it will last this time, I have a DMS that is full of fungus, are they nice looking scopes?yes, are they low priced? yes. If you buy a tool you want to depend on do you buy a tool from China or a SnapOn. Either you depnd on your equipment or you don't. If you are not concerned about reliability then buy from China. For a little more you can get a demo Zeiss or a new Nikon. The bottom line is it does not matter if you own a Jag if it stays in the shop all the time.
Why so much importance on how well their warranty is handled or how much to ship the scope, so far on this post more people have problems with Millett than don't. Who wants to buy a scope, mount it sight it in,take it off send it back, reinstall it, sight it in again. And then wonder how long it will last this time, I have a DMS that is full of fungus, are they nice looking scopes?yes, are they low priced? yes. If you buy a tool you want to depend on do you buy a tool from China or a SnapOn. Either you depnd on your equipment or you don't. If you are not concerned about reliability then buy from China. For a little more you can get a demo Zeiss or a new Nikon. The bottom line is it does not matter if you own a Jag if it stays in the shop all the time.
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lol, i buy from china via harbor freight. lifetime warranty just like snapon. just walk in and they swap it out. they dont have a truck driving around like snapon, but they dont cost as much upfront either. where are you finding the demo scopes at? send your DMS back and get it replaced just like you would a snapon. as i said, this was an entry level scope for me so the low price point with the features it has was a bargain. now that bushnell owns millett, i hope quality will improve. when you are not paying top dollar, the warranty and customer service is the top consideration. that said, my BSA airgun scope has a lifetime warranty as well as fungus in the eye piece. ill send that in and get it taken care of next.
i agree with your conclusions though, ideally it should have never happened. had i the money Zeiss, USO, Leupold, any of the high dollar optics would be the way to go.
lol, i buy from china via harbor freight. lifetime warranty just like snapon. just walk in and they swap it out. they dont have a truck driving around like snapon, but they dont cost as much upfront either. where are you finding the demo scopes at? send your DMS back and get it replaced just like you would a snapon. as i said, this was an entry level scope for me so the low price point with the features it has was a bargain. now that bushnell owns millett, i hope quality will improve. when you are not paying top dollar, the warranty and customer service is the top consideration. that said, my BSA airgun scope has a lifetime warranty as well as fungus in the eye piece. ill send that in and get it taken care of next.
i agree with your conclusions though, ideally it should have never happened. had i the money Zeiss, USO, Leupold, any of the high dollar optics would be the way to go.
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i have returned one LRS becuase it was f*cked, and got another that I still wasnt happy with the quality.
I now have a DMS and i love the optic but it has dust inside one of the lenses. its pretty awesome. ....
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i have returned one LRS becuase it was f*cked, and got another that I still wasnt happy with the quality.
I now have a DMS and i love the optic but it has dust inside one of the lenses. its pretty awesome. ....
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call bushnell, they are great to work with. fwiw, i am getting my mil/moa swapped out for a mil/mil. its broken and they were going to replace it so i asked for a mil/mil version. there are mil/mil scopes coming out.
anyone with a Millett scope that has issues, call bushnell. they will make it right. how can you just toss a scope with a lifetime warranty aside? to do that and talk crap on it doesnt make sense. its got a lifetime warranty. send it in and get it fixed and you wont be out the $250. hell then sell the thing, you will ge the money back. save your receipts, send them back.
call bushnell, they are great to work with. fwiw, i am getting my mil/moa swapped out for a mil/mil. its broken and they were going to replace it so i asked for a mil/mil version. there are mil/mil scopes coming out.
anyone with a Millett scope that has issues, call bushnell. they will make it right. how can you just toss a scope with a lifetime warranty aside? to do that and talk crap on it doesnt make sense. its got a lifetime warranty. send it in and get it fixed and you wont be out the $250. hell then sell the thing, you will ge the money back. save your receipts, send them back.
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its just a little frustrating when this is scope number 2 of 2 from millet that has warranty issues....
its just a little frustrating when this is scope number 2 of 2 from millet that has warranty issues....
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last time i got a persons name and asked them to please have the techs there go over the scope. plus i had posted on their face book page. i think that really helps. they may not want all the past, present and future customers to see the threads of all the millett issues since they just spend however much buying the company. i know its a pain, but the squeaky wheel gets the grease. maybe they will start looking over the scopes they send out before just grabbing a box and slapping a postage label on it and mailing you some more broken crap. i hope... no i pray i get a working scope. if there is a second time, i will ask for a bushnell elite of some sort
last time i got a persons name and asked them to please have the techs there go over the scope. plus i had posted on their face book page. i think that really helps. they may not want all the past, present and future customers to see the threads of all the millett issues since they just spend however much buying the company. i know its a pain, but the squeaky wheel gets the grease. maybe they will start looking over the scopes they send out before just grabbing a box and slapping a postage label on it and mailing you some more broken crap. i hope... no i pray i get a working scope. if there is a second time, i will ask for a bushnell elite of some sort
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azerious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im really on the fence about a DMS-1, i read the huge 70+ page review at ar15.com but no talked about reliability of it...anyone care to chime in? im looking at an Aimpoint C3 package, but its twice the price and im strapped at the moment... </div></div>
We don't have problems with the DMS, only the LRS and TRS. The DMS must be sourced from a different factory.
We sell them for $199 or $264 with an AR mount.
http://swfa.com/Millett-Tactical-Riflescopes-C133.aspx
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azerious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im really on the fence about a DMS-1, i read the huge 70+ page review at ar15.com but no talked about reliability of it...anyone care to chime in? im looking at an Aimpoint C3 package, but its twice the price and im strapped at the moment... </div></div>
We don't have problems with the DMS, only the LRS and TRS. The DMS must be sourced from a different factory.
We sell them for $199 or $264 with an AR mount.
http://swfa.com/Millett-Tactical-Riflescopes-C133.aspx
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I was really happy with my LRS-1 for about 25 rounds, then it went totally out of focus and the focus knob just turns and nothing happens. In total my LRS-1 lasted 34 rounds!! I still have not gotten a hold of anyone in Customer no service, just on hold.
I was really happy with my LRS-1 for about 25 rounds, then it went totally out of focus and the focus knob just turns and nothing happens. In total my LRS-1 lasted 34 rounds!! I still have not gotten a hold of anyone in Customer no service, just on hold.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZJEFFRO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was really happy with my LRS-1 for about 25 rounds, then it went totally out of focus and the focus knob just turns and nothing happens. In total my LRS-1 lasted 34 rounds!! I still have not gotten a hold of anyone in Customer no service, just on hold. </div></div>
try bushnell's facebook page. i posted there and they responded quickly with an email address for me to talk with the head of tech support. hang in there. save your receipts too!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZJEFFRO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was really happy with my LRS-1 for about 25 rounds, then it went totally out of focus and the focus knob just turns and nothing happens. In total my LRS-1 lasted 34 rounds!! I still have not gotten a hold of anyone in Customer no service, just on hold. </div></div>
try bushnell's facebook page. i posted there and they responded quickly with an email address for me to talk with the head of tech support. hang in there. save your receipts too!
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I guess I got lucky. Ive put 140 rounds through my Buck Gold over the last week and it is still holding true. The quality so far seems to be on par with my $600 leupy.
I guess I got lucky. Ive put 140 rounds through my Buck Gold over the last week and it is still holding true. The quality so far seems to be on par with my $600 leupy.
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Good luck with warranty with millet. I got so tired of waiting for my scope to come back I bought a Falcon mil/mil and loved it. Till I got some insurance money for a hail storm and bought a night force then my millet came back and guess what it is still shitty. Turrets wont reset to zero and the turret covers wont stay tight. Oh well now it sits in the box in the garage.
Good luck with warranty with millet. I got so tired of waiting for my scope to come back I bought a Falcon mil/mil and loved it. Till I got some insurance money for a hail storm and bought a night force then my millet came back and guess what it is still shitty. Turrets wont reset to zero and the turret covers wont stay tight. Oh well now it sits in the box in the garage.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: missed</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good luck with warranty with millet. I got so tired of waiting for my scope to come back I bought a Falcon mil/mil and loved it. Till I got some insurance money for a hail storm and bought a night force then my millet came back and guess what it is still shitty. Turrets wont reset to zero and the turret covers wont stay tight. Oh well now it sits in the box in the garage. </div></div>
i know your frustrated, but try the facebook approach. they maintain the site for publicity. the last thing they want is bad publicity. maybe they stepped up the service due to all the returns. but you have new scopes to use, it wont cost you much to get the millet repaired or replaced. then sell it on eGay and get some of your money back. but hell man, dont just take it as a loss. your not out anything, your shooters have glass, may as well salvage what you can. i am getting a new in the box scope...i hope, lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: missed</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good luck with warranty with millet. I got so tired of waiting for my scope to come back I bought a Falcon mil/mil and loved it. Till I got some insurance money for a hail storm and bought a night force then my millet came back and guess what it is still shitty. Turrets wont reset to zero and the turret covers wont stay tight. Oh well now it sits in the box in the garage. </div></div>
i know your frustrated, but try the facebook approach. they maintain the site for publicity. the last thing they want is bad publicity. maybe they stepped up the service due to all the returns. but you have new scopes to use, it wont cost you much to get the millet repaired or replaced. then sell it on eGay and get some of your money back. but hell man, dont just take it as a loss. your not out anything, your shooters have glass, may as well salvage what you can. i am getting a new in the box scope...i hope, lol
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Was yours 1/8MOA or 1/4 MOA? Makes a difference.
Unfortunately, it's happened to me as well and it's not bearing well on what was going to be a purchase of an LRS-1. Pulled my Duren out of the safe last night (cleaned the rifle last week and no problems noted) to set up for a range day only to find that the 1st lens beyond the focusing eyepiece had shattered while sitting in my safe. All I could blurt out was WTFO!
Hopefully Bushnell will take care of me on this; called CS today and they said "send it in and we will see what we can do". If they don't I'm out $300+ on the scope and will not conduct any future business with them or Millett.
Was yours 1/8MOA or 1/4 MOA? Makes a difference.
Unfortunately, it's happened to me as well and it's not bearing well on what was going to be a purchase of an LRS-1. Pulled my Duren out of the safe last night (cleaned the rifle last week and no problems noted) to set up for a range day only to find that the 1st lens beyond the focusing eyepiece had shattered while sitting in my safe. All I could blurt out was WTFO!
Hopefully Bushnell will take care of me on this; called CS today and they said "send it in and we will see what we can do". If they don't I'm out $300+ on the scope and will not conduct any future business with them or Millett.
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Well, My USP tracking number says my scope has arrived at Millet/Bushnell and has been signed for. Lets see what happens now.
Well, My USP tracking number says my scope has arrived at Millet/Bushnell and has been signed for. Lets see what happens now.
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I received a brand new scope from Millett/Bushnell. Took it out of the box and it has a piece of lint on the inside of the lens!!! Looks like I'll be ordering a SS or Falcon.
I received a brand new scope from Millett/Bushnell. Took it out of the box and it has a piece of lint on the inside of the lens!!! Looks like I'll be ordering a SS or Falcon.
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hold the scope in hand and strike your open palm of your free hand a couple of times. the object here it to move the lint off the lens where it should get trapped by a glue strip.
hold the scope in hand and strike your open palm of your free hand a couple of times. the object here it to move the lint off the lens where it should get trapped by a glue strip.
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Good Idea, But I shouldn't have to do it at all. I went the Facebook route. Already got an email from the head Cust.Support guy, He is going to inspect a new scope himself and ship it to me with return shipping for the one I have now.
Good Idea, But I shouldn't have to do it at all. I went the Facebook route. Already got an email from the head Cust.Support guy, He is going to inspect a new scope himself and ship it to me with return shipping for the one I have now.
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no problem, im glad it helped. i got my mil/mil mounted and i still entertain thoughts of selling it off and buying something nicer. but i havent gotten to use this yet so i feel i should give it shot. but then its new, i could sell it...
no problem, im glad it helped. i got my mil/mil mounted and i still entertain thoughts of selling it off and buying something nicer. but i havent gotten to use this yet so i feel i should give it shot. but then its new, i could sell it...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Basher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WusteHase</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ETA: Ended up going the Leupy route, 2x LR/Ts FFP. They're in the custom shop getting .1mil turrets right now. </div></div>
I just spoke with a Leupold Tech two days ago, who informed me that they don't fit .1mil turrets to scopes that were originally made with MOA turrets. Who did you talk to there, or better yet, when are your scopes due for delivery? I'd be VERY interested in photos/details once you get to look them over . . .
Back on topic, I'm getting a used DMS-1 the end of this week. Once I sight it in, I'd be happy to run the box test and see how it does, then post results.</div></div>
Was a misunderstanding between Mike, myself,and the guys at Leupold. I've got my preorder in for the new Viper PSTs. I did get to see the new Leupold scopes with the M5 turrets at SHOT, they look pretty nice.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Basher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WusteHase</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ETA: Ended up going the Leupy route, 2x LR/Ts FFP. They're in the custom shop getting .1mil turrets right now. </div></div>
I just spoke with a Leupold Tech two days ago, who informed me that they don't fit .1mil turrets to scopes that were originally made with MOA turrets. Who did you talk to there, or better yet, when are your scopes due for delivery? I'd be VERY interested in photos/details once you get to look them over . . .
Back on topic, I'm getting a used DMS-1 the end of this week. Once I sight it in, I'd be happy to run the box test and see how it does, then post results.</div></div>
Was a misunderstanding between Mike, myself,and the guys at Leupold. I've got my preorder in for the new Viper PSTs. I did get to see the new Leupold scopes with the M5 turrets at SHOT, they look pretty nice.
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Well I read the good and I read the bad about the millett stuff and decided to go with the TRS-1 for my AR. My only past experience is with a cheap 1-4X on a pellet gun when I was a kid so this this is beautiful by comparison. I have to wait till this summer to use it past 100m so I'll withhold judging its performance until then. My problem was I turnd it on and was cycling through the brightness setting and it died when I go it to 10 and will not turn back on. I can't find simular issues on the web so I hope it's probably just bad luck but I guess I'll get to deal with the CS also.
Jeff
Well I read the good and I read the bad about the millett stuff and decided to go with the TRS-1 for my AR. My only past experience is with a cheap 1-4X on a pellet gun when I was a kid so this this is beautiful by comparison. I have to wait till this summer to use it past 100m so I'll withhold judging its performance until then. My problem was I turnd it on and was cycling through the brightness setting and it died when I go it to 10 and will not turn back on. I can't find simular issues on the web so I hope it's probably just bad luck but I guess I'll get to deal with the CS also.
Jeff
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Bought one of their new LRS illuminated scopes and sent it back. Had its fair share of issues.
Bought one of their new LRS illuminated scopes and sent it back. Had its fair share of issues.
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Its been 7 montyhs since the last post, has the quality picked up?
I have about $1000 to spend on 2 scopes amnd was lookign at a LRS but this post doenst show them in good light. I was planning on gettign a Sightron SIII but now i need 2 scopes i need to decide weather to buy the $700 sightron and a $300 scope or 2 $500 scopes.
Its been 7 montyhs since the last post, has the quality picked up?
I have about $1000 to spend on 2 scopes amnd was lookign at a LRS but this post doenst show them in good light. I was planning on gettign a Sightron SIII but now i need 2 scopes i need to decide weather to buy the $700 sightron and a $300 scope or 2 $500 scopes.
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