Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
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Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
Consistently being able to resolve .30cal holes at 600yds on a standard paper target is a pipedream. Once you factor in any degree of mirage, less-than-ideal lighting conditions, etc. you are done. Add into that mix the fact that you want to do it under twilight conditions...thats a tall order indeed.
Now, if you are talking about spotting hits on steel at that range under those conditions, or maybe shoot and see type targets, maybe.
Here are a couple good links re: this same topic in the 500yd range and some similar spotter discussions. Have a read:
http://www.6mmbr.com/spotterreview.html (author trying to resolve 6mm bullet holes in paper...carefully read his results with the given spotters)
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2039420
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2041479
Good luck!!
Consistently being able to resolve .30cal holes at 600yds on a standard paper target is a pipedream. Once you factor in any degree of mirage, less-than-ideal lighting conditions, etc. you are done. Add into that mix the fact that you want to do it under twilight conditions...thats a tall order indeed.
Now, if you are talking about spotting hits on steel at that range under those conditions, or maybe shoot and see type targets, maybe.
Here are a couple good links re: this same topic in the 500yd range and some similar spotter discussions. Have a read:
http://www.6mmbr.com/spotterreview.html (author trying to resolve 6mm bullet holes in paper...carefully read his results with the given spotters)
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2039420
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2041479
Good luck!!
Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
This seems like a solution:
http://www.targetteck.com/
This seems like a solution:
http://www.targetteck.com/
Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Consistently being able to resolve .30cal holes at 600yds on a standard paper target is a pipedream. Once you factor in any degree of mirage, less-than-ideal lighting conditions, etc. you are done. Add into that mix the fact that you want to do it under twilight conditions...thats a tall order indeed.</div></div>
OK, it looks like this is nearly impossible with prosumer spotting scopes. But just to clarify: don't military sniper training ranges routinely spot .3" to 1000 yards using scopes with something like a 6" objective? Granted those may cost $20k, but that means this is a matter of money/size, not technical feasibility?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Consistently being able to resolve .30cal holes at 600yds on a standard paper target is a pipedream. Once you factor in any degree of mirage, less-than-ideal lighting conditions, etc. you are done. Add into that mix the fact that you want to do it under twilight conditions...thats a tall order indeed.</div></div>
OK, it looks like this is nearly impossible with prosumer spotting scopes. But just to clarify: don't military sniper training ranges routinely spot .3" to 1000 yards using scopes with something like a 6" objective? Granted those may cost $20k, but that means this is a matter of money/size, not technical feasibility?
Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
I use a Nikon 15-45X. On Standard paper I can see hits out to 350 under perfect conditions using a .308.
Using shoot and see targets, 600 yards is generally possible as long as there is only a slight mirage. Under perfect conditions, (no mirage, sun right at my back etc) I can make out hits at 800 yards. If there is any more than a slight mirage then 400 is the furthest I can make out my hits using shoot and see targets.
With very good glass and a 60X scope I would be willing to bet that you could make out hits at 1000 with shoot and see targets. You would need absolutely perfect conditions though regardless of how good the glass is.
On white paper I would imagine with very good glass and magnification above 60X, you may be able to spot holes, but dawn and dusk with the sun at you're back would be about the only time you could pull it off as there should be no mirage.
I use a Nikon 15-45X. On Standard paper I can see hits out to 350 under perfect conditions using a .308.
Using shoot and see targets, 600 yards is generally possible as long as there is only a slight mirage. Under perfect conditions, (no mirage, sun right at my back etc) I can make out hits at 800 yards. If there is any more than a slight mirage then 400 is the furthest I can make out my hits using shoot and see targets.
With very good glass and a 60X scope I would be willing to bet that you could make out hits at 1000 with shoot and see targets. You would need absolutely perfect conditions though regardless of how good the glass is.
On white paper I would imagine with very good glass and magnification above 60X, you may be able to spot holes, but dawn and dusk with the sun at you're back would be about the only time you could pull it off as there should be no mirage.
Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hummerdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This seems like a solution:
http://www.targetteck.com/ </div></div>
Anybody ever try this?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hummerdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This seems like a solution:
http://www.targetteck.com/ </div></div>
Anybody ever try this?
Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
I have a Pentax 65mm scope with ED glass and a 20-60x eyepiece and i really struggle with 0.22 holes at 200 yards with it. That's on black targets; white targets are probably easier to see. I've heard the Pentax 80mm is a step up, but not sure how much.
I have a Pentax 65mm scope with ED glass and a 20-60x eyepiece and i really struggle with 0.22 holes at 200 yards with it. That's on black targets; white targets are probably easier to see. I've heard the Pentax 80mm is a step up, but not sure how much.
Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbooksta</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Consistently being able to resolve .30cal holes at 600yds on a standard paper target is a pipedream. Once you factor in any degree of mirage, less-than-ideal lighting conditions, etc. you are done. Add into that mix the fact that you want to do it under twilight conditions...thats a tall order indeed.</div></div>
OK, it looks like this is nearly impossible with prosumer spotting scopes. But just to clarify: don't military sniper training ranges routinely spot .3" to 1000 yards using scopes with something like a 6" objective? Granted those may cost $20k, but that means this is a matter of money/size, not technical feasibility?</div></div>
those are pulled in the pits and marked with a 5 Inch Spotting disc (white painted hard cardboard disk) or turned around using the black side to mark hits in the white of the paper. So no, its not the scope being badass that lets them see 30 cal holes at 1,000 yards. These discs can easily be seen through the rifle scope (say a fixed 10 power M3 ultra scope on an M24) at 1,000 but no way in hell even the spotters can see the bullet hole, thats just redunculous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbooksta</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Consistently being able to resolve .30cal holes at 600yds on a standard paper target is a pipedream. Once you factor in any degree of mirage, less-than-ideal lighting conditions, etc. you are done. Add into that mix the fact that you want to do it under twilight conditions...thats a tall order indeed.</div></div>
OK, it looks like this is nearly impossible with prosumer spotting scopes. But just to clarify: don't military sniper training ranges routinely spot .3" to 1000 yards using scopes with something like a 6" objective? Granted those may cost $20k, but that means this is a matter of money/size, not technical feasibility?</div></div>
those are pulled in the pits and marked with a 5 Inch Spotting disc (white painted hard cardboard disk) or turned around using the black side to mark hits in the white of the paper. So no, its not the scope being badass that lets them see 30 cal holes at 1,000 yards. These discs can easily be seen through the rifle scope (say a fixed 10 power M3 ultra scope on an M24) at 1,000 but no way in hell even the spotters can see the bullet hole, thats just redunculous
Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: davidj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hummerdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This seems like a solution:
http://www.targetteck.com/ </div></div>
Anybody ever try this? </div></div>
Use the search feature here. There is a thread on it somewhere.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: davidj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hummerdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This seems like a solution:
http://www.targetteck.com/ </div></div>
Anybody ever try this? </div></div>
Use the search feature here. There is a thread on it somewhere.
Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
That video camera thing sounds like a bunch of BS to me. What is the price on it?
That video camera thing sounds like a bunch of BS to me. What is the price on it?
Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outdoorsman9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That video camera thing sounds like a bunch of BS to me. What is the price on it? </div></div>
No...its not "BS" at all. The idea of the remote target camera system is nothing new and is very sound in theory. Now...for "Target Teck" itself...that is another matter. They offer a couple different models...the 1,000yd model is $540 and the 2,000yd model is $670. Now, there have been some "issues" with this company and it actually being able to deliver units as promised.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outdoorsman9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That video camera thing sounds like a bunch of BS to me. What is the price on it? </div></div>
No...its not "BS" at all. The idea of the remote target camera system is nothing new and is very sound in theory. Now...for "Target Teck" itself...that is another matter. They offer a couple different models...the 1,000yd model is $540 and the 2,000yd model is $670. Now, there have been some "issues" with this company and it actually being able to deliver units as promised.
Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
look under beyond 1000
600 yard target shooting thread.
look under beyond 1000
600 yard target shooting thread.
Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Pentax 65mm scope with ED glass and a 20-60x eyepiece and i really struggle with 0.22 holes at 200 yards with it. That's on black targets; white targets are probably easier to see. I've heard the Pentax 80mm is a step up, but not sure how much.</div></div>
I got the Pentax 100mm and was able to easily spot holes at 600. This was in the early morning before the mirage set in; the image was flat out glorious then. At noon time, I was having difficulty spotting holes at 300 thanks to all the mirage.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Pentax 65mm scope with ED glass and a 20-60x eyepiece and i really struggle with 0.22 holes at 200 yards with it. That's on black targets; white targets are probably easier to see. I've heard the Pentax 80mm is a step up, but not sure how much.</div></div>
I got the Pentax 100mm and was able to easily spot holes at 600. This was in the early morning before the mirage set in; the image was flat out glorious then. At noon time, I was having difficulty spotting holes at 300 thanks to all the mirage.
Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
This forum could really use a sticky thread with a few links like the 6mmbr review and a patent disclaimer that says "NO, w/o perfect conditions you cannot reliably call 30 cal holes beyond 400 yds no matter what spotting scope you buy."
This forum could really use a sticky thread with a few links like the 6mmbr review and a patent disclaimer that says "NO, w/o perfect conditions you cannot reliably call 30 cal holes beyond 400 yds no matter what spotting scope you buy."
Re: Minimum scope for spotting hits at 600 yards
I wonder if a Takahashi 101mm refractor telescope like this one I have would work? It would be a manly spotting scope to be sure.
I wonder if a Takahashi 101mm refractor telescope like this one I have would work? It would be a manly spotting scope to be sure.
