Those who are new to this: don't do it like this guy.It's zeroed at 100 yds. I'm 4" low at 200 yds., so I dial up 2 MOA (8 clicks). I'm 15" low at 300 yds. so I dial up 5 MOA (20 clicks).
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Those who are new to this: don't do it like this guy.It's zeroed at 100 yds. I'm 4" low at 200 yds., so I dial up 2 MOA (8 clicks). I'm 15" low at 300 yds. so I dial up 5 MOA (20 clicks).
Yeah, use metrics!Those who are new to this: don't do it like this guy.
For 200 bucks + freight to them, Leupold will instill a MOA tree ret in that scope, I doubt you will regret it one bit. It's on their web sight as Impact 32. All my Mk 4's have it plus when you learn to drive that scope on all powers you will find the 92moa + or - moa on 3.5 power has many uses. If you install a home made ret doubler stop an shoot subs the 64moa will get you to 400yds quickly for precise shots.I have a Leupold Mk 4 4.5-14x50mm LR/T w/M1 turrets (MOA, numbered and marked really well) and TMR reticle on my 308 Win. I don't use the scope/reticle for ranging or anything, just use the crosshairs.
It's zeroed at 100 yds. I'm 4" low at 200 yds., so I dial up 2 MOA (8 clicks). I'm 15" low at 300 yds. so I dial up 5 MOA (20 clicks). Haven't shoot past 300 yds. with it yet.
I'm just your average paper puncher so the above works for me.
NYH1.
This is a discussion about MOA vs MIL. I think you're off on your own rabbit trail talking about buying groups. Why are we even talking about money - there is no inherent price difference outside of a couple of specialty reticles. And you don't sacrifice any skills going from one unit of measure to another.Really??? If you really think so, your not thinking beyond the next few minutes. Good luck to you as I don't trust luck down the road at all.
Yes, many think they can buy groups at range, then you have those who once off their home range, understand they don'y know what they think they knew prior to,... You keep doing as you wish,...
Yes it is about MOA vs Mils vs IPHY, an sticking/knowing one only is great if you are but a rec shooter. Many that come here think, an are led to believe by others they can buy groups at range, I an others see it all the time reading between the lines, an at matches/classesThis is a discussion about MOA vs MIL. I think you're off on your own rabbit trail talking about buying groups. Why are we even talking about money - there is no inherent price difference outside of a couple of specialty reticles. And you don't sacrifice any skills going from one unit of measure to another.
Buying groups has nothing to do with mil/moa. That’s why I was confused - your rant has nothing to do with my original post or the topic of the thread.Yes it is about MOA vs Mils vs IPHY, an sticking/knowing one only is great if you are but a rec shooter. Many that come here think, an are led to believe by others they can buy groups at range, I an others see it all the time reading between the lines, an at matches/classes
One of the main reasons to choose moa over mil is that you can get much finer adjustment if you get one with 1/8 moa per click turrets. That finer adjustment yields a much more precise zero. The trade off is that when you try to dial under time pressure, you’ll be faster with the larger clicks from a 1/4 moa per click turret, and even faster with 1/10 mil per click turret. That’s a main reason to choose mil for hunting, combat sniping, and competitions that attempt to simulate those conditions with time pressure. Target shooters who don’t shoot under time pressure have a good reason to prefer the 1/8 moa per click turrets for that application. Second focal plane reticles can even be preferred in some target sports because the reticle lines remain thin at high magnification.
That statement alone proves you don't have a clue.No shooter, rec or otherwise, has a need to know more than one if you stick with buying equipment in the format that you know.
Thanks, but for what I do, it works fine the way it is.For 200 bucks + freight to them, Leupold will instill a MOA tree ret in that scope, I doubt you will regret it one bit. It's on their web sight as Impact 32. All my Mk 4's have it plus when you learn to drive that scope on all powers you will find the 92moa + or - moa on 3.5 power has many uses. If you install a home made ret doubler stop an shoot subs the 64moa will get you to 400yds quickly for precise shots.
I’m not the one making ridiculous statements about buying group sizes on a thread about scope UMThat statement alone proves you don't have a clue.
Long range? Well, as said in my opening post, max target distance on our local range is 600 meters, my daughter is nailing 500 consistently, 600 has been giving us problems. Her intent is to work out to 1000+ so that is the direction we are headed. She just ordered a Bergara LRP in 6.5 CM for the purpose.Are you using your moa scope that you currently have for windage and elevation calculations, or just for zero adjustments? Those are very different beasts.
Calculating windage adjustments for MOA on the fly with changing wind is significantly more difficult. And remembering elevation corrections is also considerably more difficult. Neither is impossible, but unless you're using your moa scopes for long range shooing already, then just sticking with moa because you currently have an moa scope still isn't a great reason. But if you are already using it for long range shooting, then you do have a leg up in sticking with that system. Just my $.02 - worth what you paid for it.
I’ve used both extensively and I would rather dial 1/2 turn into the one than a full turn when competing. MOA is definitely more precise and easier to read for benchrest or general shooting but all my comp scopes are milSome of you anti MOA guys read the internet too fucking much. It's really obvious you've never used both systems.
Some of you anti MOA guys read the internet too fucking much. It's really obvious you've never used both systems.
This is an interesting statement. These scopes are not wrong - they're just inferior. You can certainly shoot with them, but they take at least some of the shooter's focus away from the actual task at hand in order to operate the tools required to do the job. Not impossible, but also not even close to ideal.Some lucky folks learned with and used a Mildot reticle with MOA turrets for their first few years of shooting. They didn't know their equipment was "wrong" until the internet said so. ???
This isn't a real issue. The rail cant has zero impact on your calculations after purchasing & zeroing the scope. The only reason it would have any up-front impact is doing research to make sure you don't buy a rail with too much angle to get a short-range zero. It's mostly irrelevant with today's scopes that have well over 20 mils of travel.An important factor that no one ever mentions is using a canted rail.
Most rails, like 99.9% of them are MOA cant Not MIL!
By sticking to a MOA scope the calculations are so much easier than combining MOA and Mil.
This is an interesting statement. These scopes are not wrong - they're just inferior. You can certainly shoot with them, but they take at least some of the shooter's focus away from the actual task at hand in order to operate the tools required to do the job. Not impossible, but also not even close to ideal.
This isn't a real issue. The rail cant has zero impact on your calculations after purchasing & zeroing the scope. The only reason it would have any up-front impact is doing research to make sure you don't buy a rail with too much angle to get a short-range zero. It's mostly irrelevant with today's scopes that have well over 20 mils of travel.
It's an irrelevant factor. It a conversion math done once just to see if you're going to run out of scope travel downwards when you first zero. It's never done again. EVER.An important factor that no one ever mentions is using a canted rail.
Most rails, like 99.9% of them are MOA cant Not MIL!
By sticking to a MOA scope the calculations are so much easier than combining MOA and Mil.
Mate, you try calling a miss/ hold over in inches, convert it to Mils then subtract an MOA cant.
You ain't doing that shit under time pressure in a match, hunting or combat.
I don't disagree with your second sentence but your first sentence is an incorrect generalization.I’ve used both extensively and I would rather dial 1/2 turn into the one than a full turn when competing. MOA is definitely more precise and easier to read for benchrest or general shooting but all my comp scopes are mil
My only concern is ranging with the reticle. If i measure something in inches and then use a mil reticle to range it i have to convert to a metric mesurement correct?
he's trolling the shit out of you. and you took the baitLOL holy shit you don't know what you don't know. Leave this conversation to those of us who actually have used our rifles in the field.
The other way is target in inches/subtention x 100 - 5% = distance. I've used this method for years upon years an have never missed do to my range call. The easiest is IPHY target size/subtention x 100 = distance.Let's try that for an MOA reticle: Size in inches ÷ Size in MOA x 95.5 = Range (yards)
he's trolling the shit out of you. and you took the bait
Also, the fuck are all these operators ranging with their reticles?
Also, the fuck are all these operators ranging with their reticles?
There are shoots were it's all UKD, but you can use a LRF if you think (A) it will give you the correct reading, or (B) you think you can out smart the MD who set up the targets an firing points. Those type of MD'ers post here,... an one lives in a very small place south of Opelika/Auburn Alabama an is known by jhuskey here, other names follow him if/when you are invited to one of his shoots.Also, the fuck are all these operators ranging with their reticles?
There sure are some salty fellows on here. Does no one range animals with their reticle?
Hmm ok then. So do most of you just use a laser?
There are shoots were it's all UKD, but you can use a LRF if you think (A) it will give you the correct reading, or (B) you think you can out smart the MD who set up the targets an firing points. Those type of MD'ers post here,... an one lives in a very small place south of Opelika/Auburn Alabama an is known by jhuskey here, other names follow him if/when you are invited to one of his shoots.
Not everything is as it seems on the net where tacticool is the order of the day, there are many types of shoots that are invite only.
Correct, as most people don't practice it enough or understand lighting, angle, target colors, ect. The biggest mistake most make is to verify the ret they are using in the first place, an not just one subtention either.Reticle ranging is a legacy skill for many reasons that make it not very accurate at times.
Thats not it, most will not shoot these kinds of shoot anymore.Sure ole timer. No one outside the hollers down south knows how to shoot.
Hmm ok then. So do most of you just use a laser? And just so you know im genuinely seeking information. Thank you