lmao!! This made for a great read while sitting at work avoiding actual work. not everyone from Niceville is an asshole though. some of us are just ignorant
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MOA vs Mil
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This is the core of his MOA=Inches nonsense. If you call 3" instantly = 3MOA or other such stupidity. Because math.
Bubbaville.
At least that's what it was called in the late 80s and early 90s.
I bet it's grown up a lot since then.
°°°° this is what we’ve learned....
the Mil vs MOA debate will continue indefinitely
No, there were real things to learn from this thread:
- Implicit assumptions are a bane to explicit communication.
- People are just primates, and we stick to what we know.
- He understood reticle use, but insisted certain units worked “better” with certain reticles. That is subjective.
- People on SH are knowledgable, patient, and friendly, until you piss them off.
- Humor is the reciprocal of anger.
- We will only discuss, debate, entertain MOA vs MIL related questions during February of each year (during the Annual SH MOA vs MIL Festival).
Stupidity can’t explain this kind of willful ignorance. You can only explain it so many ways and teach it as you would to a child before it becomes clear it’s some sort of personality defect.
The answer is related to their ego, their very sense-of-self. Some people have such a fragile ego, such brittle self-esteem, such a weak "psychological constitution," that admitting they made a mistake or that they were wrong is fundamentally too threatening for their egos to tolerate. Accepting they were wrong, absorbing that reality, would be so psychologically shattering, their defense mechanisms do something remarkable to avoid doing so — they literally distort their perception of reality to make it (reality) less threatening. Their defense mechanisms protect their fragile ego by changing the very facts in their mind, so they are no longer wrong or culpable.
The answer is related to their ego, their very sense-of-self. Some people have such a fragile ego, such brittle self-esteem, such a weak "psychological constitution," that admitting they made a mistake or that they were wrong is fundamentally too threatening for their egos to tolerate. Accepting they were wrong, absorbing that reality, would be so psychologically shattering, their defense mechanisms do something remarkable to avoid doing so — they literally distort their perception of reality to make it (reality) less threatening. Their defense mechanisms protect their fragile ego by changing the very facts in their mind, so they are no longer wrong or culpable.
I learned that the OP is window licking cunt who knows jack about the art of shooting a rifle
Back in action.. Thanks again for being such a great group of guys here and taking in consideration different view points on topics. Thank god this forum isn't like FB where you get Banned for topics people don't agree with. Yes, I live in Niceville and if any of you would like to meet up in Holt or Baker ranges to BS, let me know. .
This thread has been interesting to read. Of course this point is left out of the discussion most of the time. "If you can see your miss" and "is the range known" , which has lead to much of the talking past each other . If the situation is such that you have one shot, and must dial it, AND you know the range.... OR you know the size of the target... then it's a different situation than if you are shooting and using your retical to measure your miss. (Pardon the run on and poor grammar )
I wouldn't dare to comment on anything concerning math being involved, mil vs moa, or anything else of that nature ITT, just pointing out that when typed communication is used, many details are overlooked or assumed to be understood by both parties, due to the method of communication. (It can be a whole bunch of typing to fully lay out the parameters of a conversation, and thus, laying it all out isn't done many times). Tis the nature of forums and text messages.... And Tis also how to text and piss off the wife, without knowing!
No. That's not the problem. It's that his brain can't comprehend that it's basically a coincidence that 1 moa is near an inch @ 100yds, and it isn't a correlation. That it falls apart at real shooting distances doesn't seem to matter to him, because his only experience is 100 yards on a square range, so he has to be right. If I said that ten degrees Fahrenheit was about equal to ten liters he would understand that those units are not corollary at all, but somehow because angle to linear is close to a 100-1 at this specific distance is won't penetrate his skull no matter how many ways it is explained. By almost the exact same reasoning he was insisting that mrad is part of the metric system rather than decigrades, which are actually more clumsy to use than mrad.
In short, he's ignorant but thinks he knows everything, which is exactly what's wrong with the USA as a whole. Even if he is an expert is some narrow field he is a classic Dunning-Kruger. He thinks he can tell an entire community of military snipers and top rifle competitors that they're all stupid, and only he possesses the unique knowledge to understand how to put a round on target.
I simply cannot fathom the horrifying reality that must have been to have such a horses-ass, know-it-all as a divO or OIC. Those poor, sorry bastards... If Trump were President he would track them all down, give them Presidential citations, and put multiple letters in their jackets. The top enlisted would be immediately promoted to 4 star General.
In short, he's ignorant but thinks he knows everything, which is exactly what's wrong with the USA as a whole. Even if he is an expert is some narrow field he is a classic Dunning-Kruger. He thinks he can tell an entire community of military snipers and top rifle competitors that they're all stupid, and only he possesses the unique knowledge to understand how to put a round on target.
I simply cannot fathom the horrifying reality that must have been to have such a horses-ass, know-it-all as a divO or OIC. Those poor, sorry bastards... If Trump were President he would track them all down, give them Presidential citations, and put multiple letters in their jackets. The top enlisted would be immediately promoted to 4 star General.
I think @chickon1 and @joelinux may be separated at birth?
Two legendary thread OP who continue to engage, although Joe the self proclaimed engineer was off lurking in the titty thread(not a bad investment in time) until one of his legendary threads was necro'ed, and he snapped back to role, or should I say troll!
We are gifted with two of these at the same time, enjoy!
Two legendary thread OP who continue to engage, although Joe the self proclaimed engineer was off lurking in the titty thread(not a bad investment in time) until one of his legendary threads was necro'ed, and he snapped back to role, or should I say troll!
We are gifted with two of these at the same time, enjoy!
I'm pretty sure he uses IPT (inches per testicle).
Inspirated by MILOA, I created a new reticle for those who like to acquire targets easily and shoot fast, but also like to measure stuff and do not know much about angular units.
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Is that related to the monkey tail? Are you required to have a monkey tail cut into body hair somewhere to use it?
You get banned for being a dumbass or an asshole.
In your case, you were banned for both.
In my industry there are some who use MPH and statue miles, others who use knots and nautical miles, as long as you pick one and stay with it, it doesn’t matter.
From what I’ve gathered if your scope is MOA, calculator/dope is MOA, spotting scope is MOA, other scopes are MOA, it’s all good, or vise versa in mil, so dont mix match stuff, pick one and stick with it.
From what I’ve gathered if your scope is MOA, calculator/dope is MOA, spotting scope is MOA, other scopes are MOA, it’s all good, or vise versa in mil, so dont mix match stuff, pick one and stick with it.
I keep thinking this thread is going to die, but it keeps on delivering.
Here is the only time I mix linear and angular is when I have a standard sighting target that has inch gradients and when I’m calling shots for a new shooter who is pulling a trigger for the first time ever.
And my family thinks I’m a communist, but wish we’d switch to metric
Here is the only time I mix linear and angular is when I have a standard sighting target that has inch gradients and when I’m calling shots for a new shooter who is pulling a trigger for the first time ever.
And my family thinks I’m a communist, but wish we’d switch to metric
This does bring up another question. Which came 1st the chicken or the egg? Seems when we have that question answered MIL vs MOA might be answered by then.
For the record, I have asked repeatedly for the titties to be put in a separate thread. I'm lurking in a few threads, but I'm in that one because it has the best memes on this forum.
And it is good to know that I'm living in @seansmd 's head rent free.
Just so you do think I'm a complete retard and ban me for life. I will reframe from mathes.
Mil or MOA you can use inches, feet, yards, meters, whatever as an input and get the same output.
Mil (millirad) is a 1000 of rad
MOA is a 1/60 of a Degree
Mil or MOA you can use inches, feet, yards, meters, whatever as an input and get the same output.
Mil (millirad) is a 1000 of rad
MOA is a 1/60 of a Degree
In the thread that @seansmd referenced, I was specifically asking which was more popular, not which was better.
There was someone on there that said that there were competing standards for MOA, but Mil is Mil is Mil, and that Mil was becoming more the standard.
For me, that made up my mind. YMMV.
Apparently there are actually two mils. Milliradians, and military milliradians which are slightly rounded.
That is IPST (Inches Per Squirrel Testicle), if I recall correctly.
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The more I think about it, the more I agree that this is the correct unit for OP, since wanting to know the distance of a miss as a linear deviation when your scope is already calibrated in an angular measurement, makes as much sense as wanting to know the mass of the target you missed. You’ve got the liner, axe handles, and mass in kilograms.
He’ll still cry that he has to convert from kg to lbs, and accuse you of using metric axe handles though.
Wait.... it's 62⁰ outside. Omg.... ⁰⁰⁰
This thread has changed my life!
This thread has changed my life!
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