Vaccines, have largely been beneficial for humanity. The flu shot...? Well let's just say "meh". Lots of reasons. Fauci is a Fudd. Fuck him, not sure why he's still relevant. I'm not getting the vaccine, no matter what Fauci Fuck stick says.
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No argument from me. I'll just add that one other function of vaccines is to stop the spread. We think that the mRNA vaccines work to keep the vaccinated person from getting sick. We do not know if they stop asymptomatic transmission. Still worthwhile even if they do not (assuming that they are safe).I’m sure you’ve been in medical emergencies. I’ve preformed CPR in the field multiple times. It even worked twice! Four times if you count rescue breathing! The first rule is to ACT. I have found that doing SOMETHING is usually preferable to doing nothing. From what we do know in the summary results of these clinical trials this will stop NCovid, and we can get back to watching Democrats steal our earnings and liberty by other means.
I will tell you this. I am neither afraid of NCovid, nor am not afraid of these vaccines. The most important thing for me is to take it out of the hands of leftists to be used as just another club against Americans.
Just waiting for that balloon. LGOWI.
So no one died from the opioid genocide they released on us?
Yep I always trust global drug dealers and mass murders.
When I got it it was really crappy but I have no plans on getting the shot.I'll take my chances with COVID-19 again. It wasn't that bad the first time.
Wow...just wow. Sad. I'm not anti-vac in the least, just...well we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue. Time will tell.Fauci aside, neither a pro or con, more a Meh; I'm actively trying to get the vac asap.
I have too many things left to do with my life, and went through a coupla worths of Hell to make it this far. I've probably already got 15 vaccines in my body already, probably just like you; and I take my chances like any other responsible individual when the health of others is at stake. Remember what happened to the snowflakes in boot camp who refused to take their shots? Served 'em right, too.
When I see folks who could have had a vaccine but refused it lying in their coffins. I'll laugh out loud in their faces; self obsessed bungholes.
Taking a vaccine isn't about pleasing one's delicate, precious preferences; it's about standing up and refusing to be part of a public health threat.
Refuse it, get it, pass it on, watch someone you know die, and you're no better than Charlie Manson, IMHO; and be don't mumbling shit about how sorry, how unfortunate...
Their deaths are on your conscience, and it's deliberate on your part; Charlie Manson deliberate. CCP deliberate.
Greg
Greg, I gotta ask...Fauci aside, neither a pro or con, more a Meh; I'm actively trying to get the vac asap.
I have too many things left to do with my life, and went through a coupla worths of Hell to make it this far. I've probably already got 15 vaccines in my body already, probably just like you; and I take my chances like any other responsible individual when the health of others is at stake. Remember what happened to the snowflakes in boot camp who refused to take their shots? Served 'em right, too.
When I see folks who could have had a vaccine but refused it lying in their coffins. I'll laugh out loud in their faces; self obsessed bungholes.
Taking a vaccine isn't about pleasing one's delicate, precious preferences; it's about standing up and refusing to be part of a public health threat.
Refuse it, get it, pass it on, watch someone you know die, and you're no better than Charlie Manson, IMHO; and be don't mumbling shit about how sorry, how unfortunate...
Their deaths are on your conscience, and it's deliberate on your part; Charlie Manson deliberate. CCP deliberate.
Greg
Fauci aside, neither a pro or con, more a Meh; I'm actively trying to get the vac asap.
I have too many things left to do with my life, and went through a coupla worths of Hell to make it this far. I've probably already got 15 vaccines in my body already, probably just like you; and I take my chances like any other responsible individual when the health of others is at stake. Remember what happened to the snowflakes in boot camp who refused to take their shots? Served 'em right, too.
When I see folks who could have had a vaccine but refused it lying in their coffins. I'll laugh out loud in their faces; self obsessed bungholes.
Taking a vaccine isn't about pleasing one's delicate, precious preferences; it's about standing up and refusing to be part of a public health threat.
Refuse it, get it, pass it on, watch someone you know die, and you're no better than Charlie Manson, IMHO; and be don't mumbling shit about how sorry, how unfortunate...
Their deaths are on your conscience, and it's deliberate on your part; Charlie Manson deliberate. CCP deliberate.
Greg
Fauci aside, neither a pro or con, more a Meh; I'm actively trying to get the vac asap.
I have too many things left to do with my life, and went through a coupla worths of Hell to make it this far. I've probably already got 15 vaccines in my body already, probably just like you; and I take my chances like any other responsible individual when the health of others is at stake. Remember what happened to the snowflakes in boot camp who refused to take their shots? Served 'em right, too.
When I see folks who could have had a vaccine but refused it lying in their coffins. I'll laugh out loud in their faces; self obsessed bungholes.
Taking a vaccine isn't about pleasing one's delicate, precious preferences; it's about standing up and refusing to be part of a public health threat.
Refuse it, get it, pass it on, watch someone you know die, and you're no better than Charlie Manson, IMHO; and be don't mumbling shit about how sorry, how unfortunate...
Their deaths are on your conscience, and it's deliberate on your part; Charlie Manson deliberate. CCP deliberate.
Greg
Don't worry Greg. The chinese BAT BITCH PHd (One of history's top mass murderer's to this point) and Fauci will make sure you and the rest of us will have no choice in the matter. Thanks to guys like you that march along in lock step, we'll all have to have vaccine passports to do simple things like shopping for food or having a job to go to.Fauci aside, neither a pro or con, more a Meh; I'm actively trying to get the vac asap.
I have too many things left to do with my life, and went through a coupla worths of Hell to make it this far. I've probably already got 15 vaccines in my body already, probably just like you; and I take my chances like any other responsible individual when the health of others is at stake. Remember what happened to the snowflakes in boot camp who refused to take their shots? Served 'em right, too.
When I see folks who could have had a vaccine but refused it lying in their coffins. I'll laugh out loud in their faces; self obsessed bungholes.
Taking a vaccine isn't about pleasing one's delicate, precious preferences; it's about standing up and refusing to be part of a public health threat.
Refuse it, get it, pass it on, watch someone you know die, and you're no better than Charlie Manson, IMHO; and be don't mumbling shit about how sorry, how unfortunate...
Their deaths are on your conscience, and it's deliberate on your part; Charlie Manson deliberate. CCP deliberate.
Greg
Fauci aside, neither a pro or con, more a Meh; I'm actively trying to get the vac asap.
I have too many things left to do with my life, and went through a coupla worths of Hell to make it this far. I've probably already got 15 vaccines in my body already, probably just like you; and I take my chances like any other responsible individual when the health of others is at stake. Remember what happened to the snowflakes in boot camp who refused to take their shots? Served 'em right, too.
When I see folks who could have had a vaccine but refused it lying in their coffins. I'll laugh out loud in their faces; self obsessed bungholes.
Taking a vaccine isn't about pleasing one's delicate, precious preferences; it's about standing up and refusing to be part of a public health threat.
Refuse it, get it, pass it on, watch someone you know die, and you're no better than Charlie Manson, IMHO; and be don't mumbling shit about how sorry, how unfortunate...
Their deaths are on your conscience, and it's deliberate on your part; Charlie Manson deliberate. CCP deliberate.
Greg
.......and also pretending this vaccine has no negative long term side affects IS without ANY scientific merit; period.Pretending this vaccine is unsafe IS without ANY scientific merit.
I'm getting the shot, and I think those who have witnessed the miracle that medical science has pulled off in the past several months and still consider their viewpoint is the superior are entitled to that viewpoint. See you all in a year. Or not.
I can’t say all of your logic is flawed, but most medicine has been trial tested for years before just slapping it in every person. In my life doctors have been wrong more than right and thats with trivial shit, shit that scared me for life and shit that nearly killed me. Not good odds.I've had this discussion before, and the the same folks come out with their arguments. I grant you your freedom to call me anything you like, you tend to have a bit of a habit about that.
I'm getting the shot, and I think those who have witnessed the miracle that medical science has pulled off in the past several months and still consider their viewpoint is the superior are entitled to that viewpoint. See you all in a year. Or not. This is not a matter for conjecture, people are dying and there's a way to cut that. If you chose to turn your back, so be it. Your choice, your destiny. I hope you survive just fine. Just don't kill too many of us when you pass it on.
Yes science has screwed the pooch, I know, I've got 100 Service Connected VA Disability thanks to AO/Dioxin, so you're not talking to someone who's wide eyed ignorant on the subject.
If calling me stupid makes you feel smarter, then feel smarter. We will see an answer to this question. Some folks get livid when someone suggest they're wrong. It's not a suggestion.
Some of you have used disagreements to shit on me in the past. Nobody deserves being shit on like you think you have the right to do. Disagree with me, fine, that's fair. You got ignored, but you all came back off, everyone deserves another chance.
But now, some of you think its OK to trash another forum member over a disagreement. and get to do it repeatedly. You're wrong. Fuck you, you're gone for good.
Those four of you who just got Liked by me, tag, you;'re it; repeat offenders. Nothing you say from here on will ever appear on my screen,. Enjoy the echo, you earned it well.
Greg
I erased most of the Jim Jones blathering bullshit to point out.We agree to disagree, and it's a pleasure to do it politely.
My Brother died on the respirator from this very virus this past January,
Greg
Don’t tell anybody. I am Chaz Manson.I erased most of the Jim Jones blathering bullshit to point out.
Greg likened many of us to Charlie Manson because we don't trust the science. Then he says that we are the bad ones for calling him names in response? Unfucking believable, it's like reading something from CNN.
Then he pulls out a sob story about his brother dying on a respirator from covid-19 in January.
Well Greg, somebody ought to notify the CDC and some other alphabet dicks because he may have been patient no.1.
And I thought he had some shit from Vietnam?
Somebody will have to quote this so Greg can read it since I am back on his ignore list.
Maybe this is the start of Greg's annual "I am going to quit the Hide cuz no one respects me" ? Getting started so you can get it in the first week of 2021?
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Opinion | Op-Ed: Why Did Fauci Move the Herd Immunity Goal Posts?
Scientists play a dangerous game when they tailor factual statements to promote policy goalswww.medpagetoday.com
Let’s examine...I've had this discussion before, and the the same folks come out with their arguments. I grant you your freedom to call me anything you like, you tend to have a bit of a habit about that.
I'm getting the shot, and I think those who have witnessed the miracle that medical science has pulled off in the past several months and still consider their viewpoint is the superior are entitled to that viewpoint. See you all in a year. Or not. This is not a matter for conjecture, people are dying and there's a way to cut that. If you chose to turn your back, so be it. Your choice, your destiny. I hope you survive just fine. Just don't kill too many of us when you pass it on.
Yes science has screwed the pooch, I know, I've got 100 Service Connected VA Disability thanks to AO/Dioxin, so you're not talking to someone who's wide eyed ignorant on the subject.
If calling me stupid makes you feel smarter, then feel smarter. We will see an answer to this question. Some folks get livid when someone suggest they're wrong. It's not a suggestion.
Some of you have used disagreements to shit on me in the past. Nobody deserves being shit on like you think you have the right to do. Disagree with me, fine, that's fair. You got ignored, but you all came back off, everyone deserves another chance.
But now, some of you think its OK to trash another forum member over a disagreement. and get to do it repeatedly. You're wrong. Fuck you, you're gone for good.
Those four of you who just got Liked by me, tag, you;'re it; repeat offenders. Nothing you say from here on will ever appear on my screen,. Enjoy the echo, you earned it well.
Greg
He's a bit entertaining for a few minutes then you just have to turn him off.Let’s examine...
You came on here and said you would “laugh in the faces of self-obsessed bungholes” as they lay dead in their coffins, then likened those who don’t quite trust the safety of a vaccine that was developed with less than 1/5 of the safety trials of any other vaccine in history vs the risk of getting a disease with a 98% survival rate to Charles Manson and the CCP. THEN you came back and complained that THEY were “shitting” on and “trashing” YOU, and it’s their fault that they can’t just disagree with you in civility while you completely ignore everything you said to them first. I understand your emotional ties to the subject, but you are not being honest or fair by any stretch of the imagination. You threw the first punch, don’t whine when it rebounds.
No argument from me. I'll just add that one other function of vaccines is to stop the spread. We think that the mRNA vaccines work to keep the vaccinated person from getting sick. We do not know if they stop asymptomatic transmission. Still worthwhile even if they do not (assuming that they are safe).
How am I a repeat offender Greg? That I'm aware of I've never responded to anything other then this post of yours, but when you lump me in with charles manson...............My guess is that you are just a troller looking to get a reaction and the attention it generates. Pitiful to see.I've had this discussion before, and the the same folks come out with their arguments. I grant you your freedom to call me anything you like, you tend to have a bit of a habit about that.
I'm getting the shot, and I think those who have witnessed the miracle that medical science has pulled off in the past several months and still consider their viewpoint is the superior are entitled to that viewpoint. See you all in a year. Or not. This is not a matter for conjecture, people are dying and there's a way to cut that. If you chose to turn your back, so be it. Your choice, your destiny. I hope you survive just fine. Just don't kill too many of us when you pass it on.
Yes science has screwed the pooch, I know, I've got 100 Service Connected VA Disability thanks to AO/Dioxin, so you're not talking to someone who's wide eyed ignorant on the subject.
If calling me stupid makes you feel smarter, then feel smarter. We will see an answer to this question. Some folks get livid when someone suggest they're wrong. It's not a suggestion.
Some of you have used disagreements to shit on me in the past. Nobody deserves being shit on like you think you have the right to do. Disagree with me, fine, that's fair. You got ignored, but you all came back off, everyone deserves another chance.
But now, some of you think its OK to trash another forum member over a disagreement. and get to do it repeatedly. You're wrong. Fuck you, you're gone for good.
Those four of you who just got Liked by me, tag, you;'re it; repeat offenders. Nothing you say from here on will ever appear on my screen,. Enjoy the echo, you earned it well.
Greg
Hey man, I'm real sorry about your brother. Prayers for you and his family.We agree to disagree, and it's a pleasure to do it politely. Some don't think that's worth doing. That publicized shot of sterile water was a real red flag, I agree. Tells me the recipient is a two faced politician. Why am I not surprised? At 74, with COPD, CHF, and Post Lymphoma twice, your odds are a lot better then mine. I still choose to put my money on the doctors, and not the naysayers. The doctors have literally saved my life four times; none of them have killed me yet. It's a choice. My choice. If the peanut gallery wants to object, let 'em.
What could go wrong? Plenty, some has with me.
My Brother died on the respirator from this very virus this past January, and I still don't know what to say to his three Sons, my Nephews.
I'm not waiting around for a promise. There is a shot, and I'm grabbing it with both hands. Some folks just can't get through the day without cursing someone out.
This is a Pandemic, killing people by the hundreds of thousands, maybe millions in under a year. Taking years to cross test a vaccine four ways to Sunday is a luxury with a steep cost. But that doesn't matter to some, they insist there needs to be thorough, no matter how many extra million lives it costs for them to have their own brand of personal security. Their needs come first.
Then a genuine miracle occurred. A young lady researcher reported her testing on something called Messenger RNA. It's new. It skips crucial steps that would cost those millions of lives. Did they test it. Man, nothing's been as much tested as this vaccine project. But for some, that's still not good enough. Fine, they can ignore the findings, skip the shot and take their chances. No matter how many they are taking along with them on their little sidetrack, screw them, those deaths aren't important. Only their satisfaction is.
Now do you understand why I mention the name Manson? Uncaring, heartless, probably gutless, too. But they can sling the trash mouth with the best. Screw them, They are not your friend. Not anyone's.
I'm taking the chance. I have a weak wife, she's been by my side for 50 years and doesn't need me sick and spewing Chinaflu across the bed at her. Those fatmouth chickenshits can sit this one out for a century for all I care about their opinions.
Greg
Would you accept “presymptomatic” transmission instead? Either way, there is plenty of evidence for both with the disease. You are correct that there is none so far with the vaccine preventing illness but not transmission. It is a concern as an unknown for herd immunity with the vaccine.There is absolutely zero credible evidence for "asymptomatic transmission." There is much credible evidence it is either extremely unlikely or impossible.
Since you get so worked up by this thread, why don’t you ignore this thread? Problem solved.Funny how when I end up on the shitty end of the stick it's always the same folks sticking it to me, and the same ones going on ignore. The only real problem is when I relent and take them back off.
Hasn't been this much shit flying around here since Veer passed. Seems his pack of Harpies is still at it though. RIP Veer. The rest of you, not so much. Yet.
And Rady, you're right. I shouldn't have ignored you.
Or..., you were, except now you are a repeater, so you'll stay off too. Just couldn't resist the pile on, could ya? Troll, huh? Yep, you're gone. Did it to yourself.
This is really simple folks, you pile on me, you get ignored. From now on there will not be any of you getting off ignore.
Nobody has to put up with these kinds of mass fuckovers. The Ignore works, when you use it.
You don't like what I have to say, ignore me, your option. But no, you assholes gotta trash people. Won't be doing it to me, though, you're done.
See ya. Not.
Greg
Since you get so worked up by this thread, why don’t you ignore this thread? Problem solved.
Would you accept “presymptomatic” transmission instead? Either way, there is plenty of evidence for both with the disease. You are correct that there is none so far with the vaccine preventing illness but not transmission. It is a concern as an unknown for herd immunity with the vaccine.
My Brother died on the respirator from this very virus this past January, and I still don't know what to say to his three Sons, my Nephews.
Greg
Basically, symptoms correlate with viral load, so the fewer symptoms the less transmission--but not zero. Presymptomatic transmission is the same as any virus--you get infected and can transmit it before you show symptoms. Asymptomatic transmission is thought to occur from kids who get infected but do not get sick themselves.Show me one piece.
Basically, symptoms correlate with viral load, so the fewer symptoms the less transmission--but not zero. Presymptomatic transmission is the same as any virus--you get infected and can transmit it before you show symptoms. Asymptomatic transmission is thought to occur from kids who get infected but do not get sick themselves.
First two hits on a Google search:
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Asymptomatic transmission of covid-19
What we know, and what we don’t The UK’s £100bn “Operation Moonshot” to roll out mass testing for covid-19 to cities and universities around the country raises two key questions. How infectious are people who test positive but have no symptoms? And, what is their contribution to transmission of...www.bmj.com
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What the data say about asymptomatic COVID infections
People without symptoms can pass on the virus, but estimating their contribution to outbreaks is challenging.www.nature.com
None of this may relate to the new vaccines--there is no information published on whether the vaccine allows you to get infected and transmit it to others but not get sick yourself or if the vaccine prevents transmission completely.
From the first link you posted.
"A city-wide prevalence study of almost 10 million people in Wuhan found no evidence of asymptomatic transmission."
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I am going to guess that @Greg Langelius * has brown eyes because he's full of shit.
Tell us @Greg Langelius * which one is the truth?
Pretty sad that you would seek out pity using the death of a family member? Maybe you actually just made up the story, it is the www after all.