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#251
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only people that know if the lawsuits are legit or bullshit are the individuals that are suing.</div></div>That's not the standard. If it was, there would be no need for the rules of evidence.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So the truth is that it is very hard to distinguish the two,</div></div>That's not correct either. There is a clear method, and it's enumerated in the Court Rules. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but there are some that just leaves you shaking your head, like the burglar who sued the homeowner who hadn't shoveled the snow and he fell, got hurt and was caught. </div></div>The information you have given here is not enough to determine whether this lawsuit is frivolous or not. But if it is, the attorney and the plaintiff are both liable for sanctions.
 
#252
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paul...

of the cops on here that I tend to disagree with... you're probably the one I like the best... I really don't think you're a bad guy, probably an above average cop... I just think you have a very narrow view of LE, based on your training (which I think was probably flawed) and your experience (which I think is all in an area of the country that represses citizen's rights)... none of this is your fault, I just don't think you know how or what to try to change...

<span style="color: #FF0000">now Slappy on the other hand... I think he LIKES being a shithead</span> </div></div>

Maybe so, but I'll tell you one thing. The way some of hoiler than thou on here think, I'd bet the house that they're not who they say they are. Wearing a badge and carrying a gun doesn't mean you were a cop by any stretch of the imagination. There is a difference. No street cops that I've ever known has the mentality that some "cops" do here. Inside guys is my take. Cause that's what inside guys do, critique the grunts from behind the comfort of a desk. If you were a cop you'd know that cops don't do that to other cops.

But go ahead, keep pontificating your high and mighty bullshit.
 
#253
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only people that know if the lawsuits are legit or bullshit are the individuals that are suing.</div></div>That's not the standard. If it was, there would be no need for the rules of evidence.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So the truth is that it is very hard to distinguish the two,</div></div>That's not correct either. There is a clear method, and it's enumerated in the Court Rules. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but there are some that just leaves you shaking your head, like the burglar who sued the homeowner who hadn't shoveled the snow and he fell, got hurt and was caught. </div></div>The information you have given here is not enough to determine whether this lawsuit is frivolous or not. But if it is, the attorney and the plaintiff are both liable for sanctions. </div></div>

OK. I give up. You give us the standards then. I'm not trying to be a wiseass. I honestly don't know what exactly you were asking before.
 
#254
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe so, but I'll tell you one thing. The way some of hoiler than thou on here think, I'd bet the house that they're not who they say they are. Wearing a badge and carrying a gun doesn't mean you were a cop by any stretch of the imagination. There is a difference. No street cops that I've ever known has the mentality that some "cops" do here. Inside guys is my take. Cause that's what inside guys do, critique the grunts from behind the comfort of a desk. If you were a cop you'd know that cops don't do that to other cops.</div></div>Wearing a badge and carrying a gun, when your authority is derived from the State, means you are a cop. Disagreeing with you doesn't automatically mean that the one who disagrees is not a cop. Paranoia is dangerous to the profession: When people with a concern for the citizens you serve are dismissed and marginalized as 'holier than thou', it makes one think that your value system is not in line with those you serve and those to whom you report.

And before you again accuse others of not living in the 'real world', know that in a world only a few Boroughs away from you cops screw other cops all the time:
http://schoolcraftjustice.com/
 
#255
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Paul... I've been to NJ...

I don't "think" the state violates rights, I know it does... in fact, every state does, and so does the federal government...

and that's my point... ore trained is NOT better trained... trained to avoid a lawsuit is NOT better trained...

and we, as a society, are too comfortable with our rights being violated, LE specifically is WAY to comfortable with it (IMHO)

and it's not limited to firearms, not by a long shot, that's just what's relevant to this particular forum.

ANY law that's passed for "the public good" is going to violate someone's rights... can't yell fire in a crowded theater, violates free speech, but the benefit to the public out weighs the infringement on person rights...

but then we have things like seat belt laws, they're SOLD to us as "for the public good", but where's the victim?... smoking laws, can't smoke in public, ok I'll give you that, no reason Jim Bob should have to breath second hand smoke, but how is it legal that a restaurant owner can't decide that his whole restaurant is smoking (Oklahoma doesn't allow that, NJ might)...

how can any business owner not make similar choices in a "free" market... don't want to hire women... cool... hopefully the women in the area boycott you, get their husbands, brother, father, etc to boycott you too and drive your dumbass out of business, but it's none of the government's business... same with minorities, unions, pay, etc,etc...

in a LOT of people's opinion, the government, local, county, state, and federal are over reaching, with laws, with their interpretation of laws, with things that aren't even law ( for example, the law, in most places I know of, says that a citizen can make an arrest for any misdemeanor committed in their presence, or any felony which they reasonably believe has been committed, or close to that, yet I've watched LEOs tell a person the can't make a citizen's arrest, watched DAs and brass agree, then a week later they tell a store owner that caught a shoplifter that the store owner or employee has to sign the affidavit of arrest... so how can they be require to make the arrest for shoplifting or trespassing , but prohibited in say an assault case?

the system is broken, very broken, you're part of the system so you're gonna take some shit... but the BIG thing is that you defend the system, so you're gonna take a HUGE pile of shit

this is why LEOs today get compared to Nazis... the "I was just following orders/the law" defense... in Germany the Nazis were resisted greatly at first, but eventually everyone, almost, got used to the "law"... some of us fear that the American public is getting too used to government misconduct... the electoral process is failing to deal with this apparently, so many people also fear that LE and military will be the deciding factory again at some point
 
#256
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paul...

of the cops on here that I tend to disagree with... you're probably the one I like the best... I really don't think you're a bad guy, probably an above average cop... I just think you have a very narrow view of LE, based on your training (which I think was probably flawed) and your experience (which I think is all in an area of the country that represses citizen's rights)... none of this is your fault, I just don't think you know how or what to try to change...

<span style="color: #FF0000">now Slappy on the other hand... I think he LIKES being a shithead</span> </div></div>

Maybe so, but I'll tell you one thing. The way some of hoiler than thou on here think, I'd bet the house that they're not who they say they are. Wearing a badge and carrying a gun doesn't mean you were a cop by any stretch of the imagination. There is a difference. No street cops that I've ever known has the mentality that some "cops" do here. Inside guys is my take. Cause that's what inside guys do, critique the grunts from behind the comfort of a desk. If you were a cop you'd know that cops don't do that to other cops.

But go ahead, keep pontificating your high and mighty bullshit. </div></div>

so the public is against you, the brass is against you, only the other "cops" that cover your ass are "good"....

seems damn near EVERYONE is against Slappy and his few fellow "cops"


hmmmmm
 
#257
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If you were a cop you'd know that cops don't do that to other cops.</div></div>

That's total bullshit, that type activity, cops covering up cop's wrong doing because they are cops, makes us no better then the criminals we police.

No wonder there is so much mistrust of cops out there.

That confirms my statement, I couldn't handle the job now days, because I wouldn't put up with that bullshit.

If I was a cop???? Peffff, you said that before. Maybe not the best, but I sure as hell was an honest cop, twenty years worth.

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#258
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paul... I've been to NJ...

I don't "think" the state violates rights, I know it does... in fact, every state does, and so does the federal government...

and that's my point... ore trained is NOT better trained... trained to avoid a lawsuit is NOT better trained...

and we, as a society, are too comfortable with our rights being violated, LE specifically is WAY to comfortable with it (IMHO)

and it's not limited to firearms, not by a long shot, that's just what's relevant to this particular forum.

ANY law that's passed for "the public good" is going to violate someone's rights... can't yell fire in a crowded theater, violates free speech, but the benefit to the public out weighs the infringement on person rights...

but then we have things like seat belt laws, they're SOLD to us as "for the public good", but where's the victim?... smoking laws, can't smoke in public, ok I'll give you that, no reason Jim Bob should have to breath second hand smoke, but how is it legal that a restaurant owner can't decide that his whole restaurant is smoking (Oklahoma doesn't allow that, NJ might)...

how can any business owner not make similar choices in a "free" market... don't want to hire women... cool... hopefully the women in the area boycott you, get their husbands, brother, father, etc to boycott you too and drive your dumbass out of business, but it's none of the government's business... same with minorities, unions, pay, etc,etc...

in a LOT of people's opinion, the government, local, county, state, and federal are over reaching, with laws, with their interpretation of laws, with things that aren't even law ( for example, the law, in most places I know of, says that a citizen can make an arrest for any misdemeanor committed in their presence, or any felony which they reasonably believe has been committed, or close to that, yet I've watched LEOs tell a person the can't make a citizen's arrest, watched DAs and brass agree, then a week later they tell a store owner that caught a shoplifter that the store owner or employee has to sign the affidavit of arrest... so how can they be require to make the arrest for shoplifting or trespassing , but prohibited in say an assault case?

the system is broken, very broken, you're part of the system so you're gonna take some shit... but the BIG thing is that you defend the system, so you're gonna take a HUGE pile of shit

this is why LEOs today get compared to Nazis... the "I was just following orders/the law" defense... in Germany the Nazis were resisted greatly at first, but eventually everyone, almost, got used to the "law"... some of us fear that the American public is getting too used to government misconduct... the electoral process is failing to deal with this apparently, so many people also fear that LE and military will be the deciding factory again at some point </div></div>

I understand where you are coming from, but we pretty much feel the same way that you guys do. And I don't hide behind the "I'm just following orders crap", but there are some officers that do, unfortunately.

As far as the shoplifting example, I know how we handle it where I work and the most frustrating thing for us is how often they change the laws, depending on who makes a big stink.
 
#259
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#260
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


If I was a cop???? Peffff, you said that before. Maybe not the best, but I sure as hell was an honest cop, twenty years worth.

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</div></div>

So if I put up a picture of my M40A3 does that make me a sniper? You know what I meant yet you choose to act ignorant.
 
#262
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So if I put up a picture of my M40A3 does that make me a sniper? </div></div>


No, it just makes you an asshole with a nice rifle.

Was there a point to your post, or are you still trying to imply that Kraig wasn't a LEO?

I'd take a guy like Kraig watching my back over a cowboy like you anyday, and bet the forum would agree with that assessment.

Go back and learn from a guy with some wisdom and experience, something you clearly lack.

When you're violating the rights of young Blacks and Latinos, does it make you feel proud to be NYPD?

 
#263
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh so if as a cop you don't cover up the misdeeds of crooked cops you're not really a cop.

I see now. Thanks for the clarificatio.</div></div>


exactly... public is against the "cops"... brass is against the "cops"... honest officers are "rats"....

but the "cops" are the good guys...

I've come to HATE the term "cop"
 
#264
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've come to HATE the term "cop"</div></div>

There are other names but using them can be (in some cases) an insult to original owners of the name...
 
#265
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'd take a guy like Kraig watching my back over a cowboy like you anyday, and bet the forum would agree with that assessment.

</div></div>

Not I! No matter how bad I screwed up, I'd still look pretty good compared to slappy.... For the record, I am not nor will I ever be a dirty coppa' pig
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#266
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny how so many of you cop haters will sit here and complain about eveything that we do and want us to start policing like we did 50 years ago</div></div>

I'm certainly not a cop hater, but I for one, in some ways would like to see policing to go back in time.

Back when cops looked like cops instead of some sort of para-military outfit. Back when cops were on the street interacting with citizens. Showing the public we are human and compassionet as are the people we police.

Back when kids needed help they run to cops not away from them.

Back before the black military combat uniforms, back to where we wore ties (clip on of course) and back before tasers,

Yes I said it, back when we had to result to police work and people skills instead of tasers and pepper spray.

Never worked with tasers but they gave us pepper spray. I never used it but I got it used on me by other cops in scuffles. I bet more cops go pepper sprayed then bandits.

I may have been a shitty cop, because I did choose what laws I inforced and what I didn't. We didn't have CCW permits in Alaska when I worked there. But in my 20 years I never charged any one with the possission of a firearm unless there was another crime involved, then it was for the crime itself, not the gun. (This excludes possission of a stolen firearm, The constitution doesn't guarantee your right to steel firearms.

Hell I got into a pissing contest with IRS because I refused to help them serve a "admimistrative" warrant, You know, the presigned copy where you fill in the name and address, NOT signed by a judge.

I retired in '94, it was getting bad then but I don't think I could work as a cop today.

I know I'm just a dumb ass has been but one thing I did, and still do is take any oath I take seriously, be it LE or Military.</div></div>

Great post!!!! Thanks.
 
#267
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So if I put up a picture of my M40A3 does that make me a sniper? </div></div>


No, it just makes you an asshole with a nice rifle.

Was there a point to your post, or are you still trying to imply that Kraig wasn't a LEO?

I'd take a guy like Kraig watching my back over a cowboy like you anyday, and bet the forum would agree with that assessment.

Go back and learn from a guy with some wisdom and experience, something you clearly lack.

When you're violating the rights of young Blacks and Latinos, does it make you feel proud to be NYPD?

</div></div>

Silly liberal, make the call yet douche? I even gave you the number.
 
#268
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh so if as a cop you don't cover up the misdeeds of crooked cops you're not really a cop.

I see now. Thanks for the clarification. </div></div>

Never said anything about covering ANYTHING up. In fact it came out right away that the wounded were hurt as a result of police gunfire. No one is trying to hide that. But who the fuck are you, with your limited experience to 2nd guess and critique street cops? How long did you work on the street? My guess is not long at all. I reckon like I said before that you were an inside guy your whole career.

You might know how to shoot straight but you know shit about what it is to be a street cop.
 
#269
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Silly liberal, make the call yet douche? I even gave you the number. </div></div>

Feel free to provide your full name and rank to me via PM, I'm more than happy to make the call.

BRING IT.



BTW: This "liberal" is a Goldwater Conservative with a gun room that would make a Texan proud.

 
#270
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Silly liberal, make the call yet douche? I even gave you the number. </div></div>

Feel free to provide your full name and rank to me via PM, I'm more than happy to make the call.

BRING IT.

</div></div>

PM Inbound
 
#271
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How long did you work on the street?</div></div>

All 20 years, everything else I did was additional duty. Like most departments we didn't have full time instructors, EOD, etc etc.
 
#272
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Silly liberal, make the call yet douche? I even gave you the number. </div></div>

Feel free to provide your full name and rank to me via PM, I'm more than happy to make the call.

BRING IT.

</div></div>

PM Inbound
</div></div>

Nice bit of theatrics Slap, but without your real name, I can't make the call.

Still waiting.
 
#273
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If you were a cop you'd know that cops don't do that to other cops.</div></div>

That's total bullshit, <span style="color: #FF0000">that type activity, Cops covering up cop's wrong doing because they are cops, makes us no better then the criminals we police
. </span>

<span style="color: #FF0000">No wonder there is so much mistrust of cops out there.
</span>
That confirms my statement, I couldn't handle the job now days, because I wouldn't put up with that bullshit.

If I was a cop???? Peffff, you said that before. Maybe not the best, but I sure as hell was an honest cop, twenty years worth.

LE%20Ret%20ID.jpg




</div></div>I lost interest in this discussion because it has gotten so far off topic. What is highlighted above is the most relevant, perhaps the only relevant, statement in some time.

So the total sum of what Ive taken from this thread is

1-The two cops who wounded 9 bystanders did what they had to do, but were so poorly trained they were a hazard.
2-NYC is gonna get hit for millions because of it.
3-Mayor Boomberg's penis is really stiff dreaming how he can use this to usurp gun rights.
4-Slap doesnt know when to quit.
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5-Cops covering up cop's wrong doing because they are cops, makes us no better then the criminals we police
6-No wonder there is so much mistrust of cops out there
 
#274
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Silly liberal, make the call yet douche? I even gave you the number. </div></div>

Feel free to provide your full name and rank to me via PM, I'm more than happy to make the call.

BRING IT.

</div></div>

PM Inbound
</div></div>

Nice bit of theatrics Slap, but without your real name, I can't make the call.

Still waiting. </div></div>

The information is there and trust me, it's ALL you need.
I figured you'd find a way to back pedal and weasel your way out of it. I expected nothing more just like I expressed to you in private.

Weasel.
 
#276
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Chickenshit lol. Posture all you want out here for your boys but I have the message string to prove your cowardice.

Then again, the mere fact that you'd even consider this tells me alot about your ablities as a man or lackthereof.

Either way Gay Montag, you've proven your worth to me so I'm done playing with you.
 
#278
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Silly liberal, make the call yet douche? I even gave you the number. </div></div>

Feel free to provide your full name and rank to me via PM, I'm more than happy to make the call.

BRING IT.

</div></div>

PM Inbound
</div></div>

Now you both are seriously being retarded... It's gone to taking an on-line argument and trying to exact results against someone on a personal level outside of the forum? Slap you're being an idiot for offering up an opportunity for someone to make any kind of personal attack on you off line, and Guy you're an even bigger fuck tard for wanting to take something as retarded as an online forum argument and trying to use it to attack someone outside of here...
 
#279
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
#281
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Now you both are seriously being retarded... It's gone to taking an on-line argument and trying to exact results against someone on a personal level outside of the forum? Slap you're being an idiot for offering up an opportunity for someone to make any kind of personal attack on you off line, and Guy you're an even bigger fuck tard for wanting to take something as retarded as an online forum argument and trying to use it to attack someone outside of here...

</div></div>

Broker, you are ABSOLUTLEY right. I apologize to everyone for my retardedness.
 
#283
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Back to the orginal topic, here is a case where a civilian CC holder, grandpa, shoots competition, involved in a shooting with different results. Two shots, two hits, robber dead.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-...robbery-attempt

I always wonder about those who says competition wont help you in a shoot out.

</div></div>

Bubba messed with the wrong guy ...ends up fertilizer.

Nice
 
#284
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How long did you work on the street?</div></div>

All 20 years, everything else I did was additional duty. Like most departments we didn't have full time instructors, EOD, etc etc. </div></div>

You have my respect Kraig, very few people are willing to actually say who they are and offer proof like that.
 
#286
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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You're slippin Shank... that's so page 5 ago... lol
 
#287
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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For those of us nerdy enough to get this, it's fucking epic.
 
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